Libby Leak
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SonomaCat
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This is a positive move. The more unethical people that can be driven out of government, the better. I just hope someone more ethical fills the void.
It is unfortuante that someone has to be indicted before they are fired for this kind of behavior, but I guess that is part of "business as usual" in DC as well. For all of the lip service of running a clean shop, it seems like nobody is really all that interested in policing themselves when it comes to this sort of thing, and they instead pretend that everyone is innocent of any wrongdoing (even having the press secretary lie about it) until we have to go the radical end of having a special prosecutor bring legal charges.
It is unfortuante that someone has to be indicted before they are fired for this kind of behavior, but I guess that is part of "business as usual" in DC as well. For all of the lip service of running a clean shop, it seems like nobody is really all that interested in policing themselves when it comes to this sort of thing, and they instead pretend that everyone is innocent of any wrongdoing (even having the press secretary lie about it) until we have to go the radical end of having a special prosecutor bring legal charges.
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iaafan
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He hasn't been convicted. Maybe the ACLU should intervene.Bay Area Cat wrote:This is a positive move. The more unethical people that can be driven out of government, the better. I just hope someone more ethical fills the void.
It is unfortuante that someone has to be indicted before they are fired for this kind of behavior, but I guess that is part of "business as usual" in DC as well. For all of the lip service of running a clean shop, it seems like nobody is really all that interested in policing themselves when it comes to this sort of thing, and they instead pretend that everyone is innocent of any wrongdoing (even having the press secretary lie about it) until we have to go the radical end of having a special prosecutor bring legal charges.
I'm interested in his defense. I wonder who told Libby that Plame was an agent?
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I'll go ahead and assume that there was enough substance to the indictment to assume he acted unethically ... I guess the illegal standard will be tested in what I am sure will be a very interesting trial.
ACLU nod ... nice. Just to head off the steamroller on that one, I don't think the ACLU took a position on any of the Clinton scandals/trials either. Fortunately, I think this field is out of their scope.
If I read the reports right, the investigation is still ongoing, right? So we could still see more indictments?
All of this trouble to just try to make Wilson look bad because Wilson had the audacity to (gasp!) tell the truth about the bogus Niger WMD story. This whole thing is just shameful to us as a nation, really. Not only did our leaders knowingly (unless Wilson was truly a genius and had information beyond the administration's resources) use flawed data to promote their war agenda, but then they played dirty pool with someone who spoke the truth and exposed their lies.
I am personally just ready for all of us to learn from our mistakes (which this scandal may provide) and move on as a nation with the new-found knowledge that we (as individuals and in the press as well) must always remain skeptical of people's motives in power (and not just when they are from the opposing political party).
We were all duped (me included, being an early-adopter of the pro-Iraq war crowd based on the admin's representations), and now we have to deal with that fact and move forward, and I am hoping one day we can earn some credibility on the world stage again so we can actually accomplish some foreign policy through means other than through the Nuke LaLoosh ("I don't know where the ball is going to go, I really don't") wild and fast intimidation strategy.
ACLU nod ... nice. Just to head off the steamroller on that one, I don't think the ACLU took a position on any of the Clinton scandals/trials either. Fortunately, I think this field is out of their scope.
If I read the reports right, the investigation is still ongoing, right? So we could still see more indictments?
All of this trouble to just try to make Wilson look bad because Wilson had the audacity to (gasp!) tell the truth about the bogus Niger WMD story. This whole thing is just shameful to us as a nation, really. Not only did our leaders knowingly (unless Wilson was truly a genius and had information beyond the administration's resources) use flawed data to promote their war agenda, but then they played dirty pool with someone who spoke the truth and exposed their lies.
I am personally just ready for all of us to learn from our mistakes (which this scandal may provide) and move on as a nation with the new-found knowledge that we (as individuals and in the press as well) must always remain skeptical of people's motives in power (and not just when they are from the opposing political party).
We were all duped (me included, being an early-adopter of the pro-Iraq war crowd based on the admin's representations), and now we have to deal with that fact and move forward, and I am hoping one day we can earn some credibility on the world stage again so we can actually accomplish some foreign policy through means other than through the Nuke LaLoosh ("I don't know where the ball is going to go, I really don't") wild and fast intimidation strategy.
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