Montana's Top Students Choose MSU:

[grizgirl]

Ahhh, the annual "My University can beat up your University" thread. Kudos to all! We made it until late August before this yearly comparison of testical size arrived...

Isn't that why you are always here GIW? You have become a professional boaster about all things griz. I generally agree with you about most matters on here but you need to be more objective about the whole cat/griz thing. I am sure it hurts when facts relating to the academics of the two institutions come to light. It's hard to put a positive spin on it so you couch it as childish "My University can beat up your University".

Great post! I was thinking the same thing. Like, it's OK to blather about your football team, but blathering about your school's academics is just silliness. Smart kids choose MSU, choosy mothers choose Jif. But we are better at football and don't you forget it.

[jagur1]

Honestly: This is like arguing over whos offense is better. When one team is 116th in the nation and the other is 129th in the nation in scoring. Throw in the fact that Bozeman people have deluded themselves in believing they are on par with the teams that are in the top 20. Now if MSU was ranked 45th in the nation and UofM 129th then I'd be butthurt. Since that isn't going to happen anytime soon, I'll just remain angry at Helena for devalueing education in this state to the point of Montana loosing the Majority (or is it many) of the high ACT scoring students to other states. Thank god for the Honnors college pulling in some brains from out of state.

[seataccat]

Honestly: This is like arguing over whos offense is better. When one team is 116th in the nation and the other is 129th in the nation in scoring.

I suppose this is correct. The same for football the griz are the 125th best team in the country and the cats are the 145th.

[CelticCat]

Honestly: This is like arguing over whos offense is better. When one team is 116th in the nation and the other is 129th in the nation in scoring. Throw in the fact that Bozeman people have deluded themselves in believing they are on par with the teams that are in the top 20. Now if MSU was ranked 45th in the nation and UofM 129th then I'd be butthurt. Since that isn't going to happen anytime soon, I'll just remain angry at Helena for devalueing education in this state to the point of Montana loosing the Majority (or is it many) of the high ACT scoring students to other states. Thank god for the Honnors college pulling in some brains from out of state.

[grizgirl]

Honestly: This is like arguing over whos offense is better. When one team is 116th in the nation and the other is 129th in the nation in scoring.

I suppose this is correct. The same for football the griz are the 125th best team in the country and the cats are the 145th.

Haha, +2.

jagur1 please stop trying. you're embarrassing 'many' of us, too.

[seataccat]

I'll just remain angry at Helena for devalueing education in this state to the point of Montana loosing the Majority (or is it many) of the high ACT scoring students to other states. Thank god for the Honnors college pulling in some brains from out of state.

Remember Jag these are state colleges. The kids with means (money and high sat scores) from any state generally don't enroll in their state public university with a few exceptions like UC Berkeley, Washington, Michigan, and Illinois, they go to Northwestern, Stanford, the Ivy League or some private college like Carrol. So brag about Carrol not UM. I'm sure you can do that.

[Grizlaw]

I hope you're just having fun with this, but as you did with wbtfg I have to ask for clarification.

Yes dear, pretty much everything I say on here is in good fun. Posting on message boards is something I do to kill time and have a little bit of fun during the work day.

Having said that, you've raised a lot of questions in your post, so I'll try to answer them one by one:

Do you argue cases in front of a judge and jury? I don't know much about lawyerin', so I'm guessing you do.

Nope, not really. I am a tax lawyer, so my job is to help companies minimize their taxes. I argue with IRS agents a lot, but not generally in front of judges and juries.

When you tell people to go f--k themselves are you doing that with a smile on your face or are you pissed?

Neither, really. It's just a nice, direct phrase that concisely conveys my view that the other person is kinda being a d*ck. I suppose I could've said "hey, stop being such a d*ck" instead, but I thought my way got the point across a little better.

When you say that cute little brain is it because you are losing your composure or is that just a subtle dig?

Hmm...I'll let you figure that one out for yourself. Ask yourself this question: does referring to someone's "cute little brain" sound like something someone would say if they were really pissed? Or does it sound more like something a guy would say to his bratty little sister (who he loves dearly, in a brother-sister sort of way, even though she's kind of annoying and not very bright)?

The reason you had to go back and explain your point (such an inconvienience that it is) is because you had to ask for clarification on something that most (not many, but most) people don't need. You were trying to take what he said "many" and imply that he might be saying "most" or "more than" when it was all but obvious he wasn't. You'd do well to save that kind of BS for the courtroom. It often works there.

Uh...no.

The reason I had to go back and explain my point was because you made a bad assumption about what my point was. My asking wbtfg for a clarification of his point was not the problem; in fact, it was a perfectly logical request in light of what he said. If I told you that there were "many" people in my law school class who had graduated from medical school before going to law school (assuming that point had some relevance to a greater debate we were engaged in at the time), would you just accept my saying so at face value, or would you ask for a clarification of what "many" meant? Any person with any debating skill at all would certainly challenge the point.

Thank you, though, for all the advice about what does and doesn't work in a courtroom. It's always nice to get career advice from someone who admits that she doesn't know much about "lawyerin'".

[coppercat]

Question; Does Montana State University still have a University of Washington freshman medical school class as part of the four state WAMI (Wash, Alaska, MT, Idaho) program? Does MSU have a masters program for nursing?

[wbtfg]

Question; Does Montana State University still have a University of Washington freshman medical school class as part of the four state WAMI (Wash, Alaska, MT, Idaho) program? Does MSU have a masters program for nursing?

Yes (to both questions)

[jagur1]

Question; Does Montana State University still have a University of Washington freshman medical school class as part of the four state WAMI (Wash, Alaska, MT, Idaho) program? Does MSU have a masters program for nursing?

Yes (to both questions)

Now that would be a good indicater which school sends the most students to UW for the Montana Medical progam. Last I heard Carrol fills MANY of those slots compared to all the other schools in Montana.

[ImagineSanta]

I hope you're just having fun with this, but as you did with wbtfg I have to ask for clarification.

Yes dear, pretty much everything I say on here is in good fun. Posting on message boards is something I do to kill time and have a little bit of fun during the work day.

Having said that, you've raised a lot of questions in your post, so I'll try to answer them one by one:

Do you argue cases in front of a judge and jury? I don't know much about lawyerin', so I'm guessing you do.

Nope, not really. I am a tax lawyer, so my job is to help companies minimize their taxes. I argue with IRS agents a lot, but not generally in front of judges and juries.

When you tell people to go f--k themselves are you doing that with a smile on your face or are you pissed?

Neither, really. It's just a nice, direct phrase that concisely conveys my view that the other person is kinda being a d*ck. I suppose I could've said "hey, stop being such a d*ck" instead, but I thought my way got the point across a little better.

When you say that cute little brain is it because you are losing your composure or is that just a subtle dig?

Hmm...I'll let you figure that one out for yourself. Ask yourself this question: does referring to someone's "cute little brain" sound like something someone would say if they were really pissed? Or does it sound more like something a guy would say to his bratty little sister (who he loves dearly, in a brother-sister sort of way, even though she's kind of annoying and not very bright)?

The reason you had to go back and explain your point (such an inconvienience that it is) is because you had to ask for clarification on something that most (not many, but most) people don't need. You were trying to take what he said "many" and imply that he might be saying "most" or "more than" when it was all but obvious he wasn't. You'd do well to save that kind of BS for the courtroom. It often works there.

Uh...no.

The reason I had to go back and explain my point was because you made a bad assumption about what my point was. My asking wbtfg for a clarification of his point was not the problem; in fact, it was a perfectly logical request in light of what he said. If I told you that there were "many" people in my law school class who had graduated from medical school before going to law school (assuming that point had some relevance to a greater debate we were engaged in at the time), would you just accept my saying so at face value, or would you ask for a clarification of what "many" meant? Any person with any debating skill at all would certainly challenge the point.

Thank you, though, for all the advice about what does and doesn't work in a courtroom. It's always nice to get career advice from someone who admits that she doesn't know much about "lawyerin'".

Shouldn't you be practicing law or getting coffee for the other paralegals? That was nonsense.....

[wbtfg]

Question; Does Montana State University still have a University of Washington freshman medical school class as part of the four state WAMI (Wash, Alaska, MT, Idaho) program? Does MSU have a masters program for nursing?

Yes (to both questions)

Now that would be a good indicater which school sends the most students to UW for the Montana Medical progam.

Agreed. Last I heard (this was probably 6 years ago or so), 14 of the 20 spots open to Montana residents went to MSU alumns. I think UM had 2, Carroll had 2, Stanford had 1, and Notre Dame had 1. Things may have changed since then, but over the past 10-15 years, MSU has always placed more people into the program than any other school.

I just talked to a friend who is pretty familiar with the WWAMI (Washington, Wyoming, Alaska, Montana, Idaho) program and said that of the 80 total Montana students in the WWAMI program right now, a little less than half are MSU alums. After that Carroll and UM are pretty close, and after that it's a pretty mixed bag of fairly elite out-of-state colleges (Sanford, Tufts, Notre Dame...etc). This was off the top of his head, and was just guestimating.

He also said, that the number of MSU students is a little deceiving as many of the MSU students had originally recieved a bachelor's degree from another school, but had then come back to MSU for to go through the Post-Bac Pre-med certificate program...which has a VERY strong placement rate.

My friend said he'd try and get me better information on Monday...hopefully that helps you out, for now.

[wbtfg]

Last I heard Carrol fills MANY of those slots compared to all the other schools in Montana.

[jagur1]

Honestly: This is like arguing over whos offense is better. When one team is 116th in the nation and the other is 129th in the nation in scoring.

I suppose this is correct. The same for football the griz are the 125th best team in the country and the cats are the 145th.

This would be true but in Football we play in the FBS and aren't expected to be compared to Texas only other FBS teams. In the game of life an education is compared to Texas ect. and Bozeman grads don't seem to understand that they're about 100 schools behind the best engineering schools in this country. (disclaimer not that this matters, because plenty of rocks with 30 ACT score graduate from top schools and plenty of smart people with a 22 ACT score graduate from MSU.) Point more goes into being a Smart student and a good person than a 30 ACT. Nobody on the cat side wants to see that point of view because 20 years of in grained hate makes this much like talk radio. (get your sound bite funny in and move on)


I give up congratulations on getting 150 30 ACT kids. even though they must be dumbasses for going to MSU when they could go to MSU. You guys win I'm only talking sports for the next 3 months. God knows nobody on the cat side knows a GD thing about good football. As far as alpha (i meen Griz girl) goes I agree with Grizlaw.

[KittieKop]

Honestly: This is like arguing over whos offense is better. When one team is 116th in the nation and the other is 129th in the nation in scoring.

I suppose this is correct. The same for football the griz are the 125th best team in the country and the cats are the 145th.

This would be true but in Football we play in the FBS and aren't expected to be compared to Texas only other FBS teams. In the game of life an education is compared to Texas ect. and Bozeman grads don't seem to understand that they're about 100 schools behind the best engineering schools in this country. (disclaimer not that this matters, because plenty of rocks with 30 ACT score graduate from top schools and plenty of smart people with a 22 ACT score graduate from MSU.) Point more goes into being a Smart student and a good person than a 30 ACT. Nobody on the cat side wants to see that point of view because 20 years of in grained hate makes this much like talk radio. (get your sound bite funny in and move on)


I give up congratulations on getting 150 30 ACT kids. even though they must be dumbasses for going to MSU when they could go to MSU. You guys win I'm only talking sports for the next 3 months. God knows nobody on the cat side knows a GD thing about good football. As far as alpha (i meen Griz girl) goes I agree with Grizlaw.

Wow, we'll let you have football because you obviously don't know a GD thing about proper English or grammar. I normally wouldn't resort to spelling smack, but really, keep writing, keep typing.....you're proving our point! So much for all those UM folks being strong in "creative writing."

[D-Wreck]

Honestly: This is like arguing over whos offense is better. When one team is 116th in the nation and the other is 129th in the nation in scoring.

I suppose this is correct. The same for football the griz are the 125th best team in the country and the cats are the 145th.

This would be true but in Football we play in the FBS and aren't expected to be compared to Texas only other FBS teams. In the game of life an education is compared to Texas ect. and Bozeman grads don't seem to understand that they're about 100 schools behind the best engineering schools in this country. (disclaimer not that this matters, because plenty of rocks with 30 ACT score graduate from top schools and plenty of smart people with a 22 ACT score graduate from MSU.) Point more goes into being a Smart student and a good person than a 30 ACT. Nobody on the cat side wants to see that point of view because 20 years of in grained hate makes this much like talk radio. (get your sound bite funny in and move on)


I give up congratulations on getting 150 30 ACT kids. even though they must be dumbasses for going to MSU when they could go to MSU. You guys win I'm only talking sports for the next 3 months. God knows nobody on the cat side knows a GD thing about good football. As far as alpha (i meen Griz girl) goes I agree with Grizlaw.

Just trying to compare the griz to MANY teams.

[Grizlaw]

I hope you're just having fun with this, but as you did with wbtfg I have to ask for clarification.

Yes dear, pretty much everything I say on here is in good fun. Posting on message boards is something I do to kill time and have a little bit of fun during the work day.

Having said that, you've raised a lot of questions in your post, so I'll try to answer them one by one:

Do you argue cases in front of a judge and jury? I don't know much about lawyerin', so I'm guessing you do.

Nope, not really. I am a tax lawyer, so my job is to help companies minimize their taxes. I argue with IRS agents a lot, but not generally in front of judges and juries.

When you tell people to go f--k themselves are you doing that with a smile on your face or are you pissed?

Neither, really. It's just a nice, direct phrase that concisely conveys my view that the other person is kinda being a d*ck. I suppose I could've said "hey, stop being such a d*ck" instead, but I thought my way got the point across a little better.

When you say that cute little brain is it because you are losing your composure or is that just a subtle dig?

Hmm...I'll let you figure that one out for yourself. Ask yourself this question: does referring to someone's "cute little brain" sound like something someone would say if they were really pissed? Or does it sound more like something a guy would say to his bratty little sister (who he loves dearly, in a brother-sister sort of way, even though she's kind of annoying and not very bright)?

The reason you had to go back and explain your point (such an inconvienience that it is) is because you had to ask for clarification on something that most (not many, but most) people don't need. You were trying to take what he said "many" and imply that he might be saying "most" or "more than" when it was all but obvious he wasn't. You'd do well to save that kind of BS for the courtroom. It often works there.

Uh...no.

The reason I had to go back and explain my point was because you made a bad assumption about what my point was. My asking wbtfg for a clarification of his point was not the problem; in fact, it was a perfectly logical request in light of what he said. If I told you that there were "many" people in my law school class who had graduated from medical school before going to law school (assuming that point had some relevance to a greater debate we were engaged in at the time), would you just accept my saying so at face value, or would you ask for a clarification of what "many" meant? Any person with any debating skill at all would certainly challenge the point.

Thank you, though, for all the advice about what does and doesn't work in a courtroom. It's always nice to get career advice from someone who admits that she doesn't know much about "lawyerin'".

Shouldn't you be practicing law or getting coffee for the other paralegals? That was nonsense.....

If it was such nonsense, I would hope you'd be able to come up with a more intelligent response to it than that.

Last I heard Carrol fills MANY of those slots compared to all the other schools in Montana.

You laugh, but the passage you highlighted actually makes my point quite nicely.

If jag were trying to insinuate that Carroll is a better pre-med school than MSU by claiming than "many" of the WWAMI slots are filled by Carroll students (as opposed to MSU and UM students), then wouldn't the logical way to refute that be to demonstrate than MSU actually fills more of the slots than Carroll does (taking into account the disparity in the size of the two schools)?

[CelticCat]

Honestly: This is like arguing over whos offense is better. When one team is 116th in the nation and the other is 129th in the nation in scoring.

I suppose this is correct. The same for football the griz are the 125th best team in the country and the cats are the 145th.

This would be true but in Football we play in the FBS and aren't expected to be compared to Texas only other FBS teams. In the game of life an education is compared to Texas ect. and Bozeman grads don't seem to understand that they're about 100 schools behind the best engineering schools in this country. (disclaimer not that this matters, because plenty of rocks with 30 ACT score graduate from top schools and plenty of smart people with a 22 ACT score graduate from MSU.) Point more goes into being a Smart student and a good person than a 30 ACT. Nobody on the cat side wants to see that point of view because 20 years of in grained hate makes this much like talk radio. (get your sound bite funny in and move on)


I give up congratulations on getting 150 30 ACT kids. even though they must be dumbasses for going to MSU when they could go to MSU. You guys win I'm only talking sports for the next 3 months. God knows nobody on the cat side knows a GD thing about good football. As far as alpha (i meen Griz girl) goes I agree with Grizlaw.

Yes, your sports "talk" on the board is valued so much more than your input on academics... can't wait.

[ChiOCat]

Blah blah blah. Did you even read the article? Blah blah blah. It kills me how MSU grads have deluded themselves into thinking their third tier school is a tier one school. Blah Blah blah. For all of that top notch education you’d think it would translate into rich alumni that would support your school in a more lucrative manner.

I did, and I LOVED this one

"They may or may not fair well on the ACT, but we sure want them at the University of Montana," McKusick said.

[MashTun]

Blah blah blah. Did you even read the article? Blah blah blah. It kills me how MSU grads have deluded themselves into thinking their third tier school is a tier one school. Blah Blah blah. For all of that top notch education you’d think it would translate into rich alumni that would support your school in a more lucrative manner.

I did, and I LOVED this one

"They may or may not fair well on the ACT, but we sure want them at the University of Montana," McKusick said.

I've been enjoying jag's comments over the last week as well.

Has the feel of the dutch boy with his finger in the dike.

Or as a military friend of mine would say, "like re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic"