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Border Crisis

Post by PortlandCat90 » Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:13 pm

When is this going to be addressed? This is a major issue that Biden has delegated the leadership in solving this problem to Harris. So far, no public statements, plan of attack, facts, etc. Heck, not even a trip to the border (nor one planned at this point) to see first hand what is going on. Nothing in almost a week on a subject of national security, Covid, and immigration? By reversing most of the policies that were in place without consideration for the results is dumbfounding.

The video of her laughing at the situation should have shown Biden that she is nowhere qualified to address this pressing issue.

In her campaign promises, she hammered the podium, stating "I would get kids out of cages and close detention centers" in order to win the ticket. It appears that all it took was one election for "kids in cages" to become the norm and acceptable again, as long as she is defining the term that holding the children is defined by.

I've read where Carrizo Springs has reopened and is near capacity already. I've also read where Biden has asked for "volunteer deployments" for 120 days to address this issue. In looking at the photos that the delegations have taken during their respective tours, who in their right mind would take on such a role in light of the living conditions, lack of planning and stemming the situation, and with Covid assumingly running rampant through the facilities? Why the heck is the most powerful man in the world asking for volunteers when the stakes are so high?

We need some facts, truth, and a plan to address this before it gets way out of control.



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Re: Border Crisis

Post by Rich K » Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:18 pm

PortlandCat90 wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:13 pm
When is this going to be addressed? This is a major issue that Biden has delegated the leadership in solving this problem to Harris. So far, no public statements, plan of attack, facts, etc. Heck, not even a trip to the border (nor one planned at this point) to see first hand what is going on. Nothing in almost a week on a subject of national security, Covid, and immigration? By reversing most of the policies that were in place without consideration for the results is dumbfounding.

The video of her laughing at the situation should have shown Biden that she is nowhere qualified to address this pressing issue.

In her campaign promises, she hammered the podium, stating "I would get kids out of cages and close detention centers" in order to win the ticket. It appears that all it took was one election for "kids in cages" to become the norm and acceptable again, as long as she is defining the term that holding the children is defined by.

I've read where Carrizo Springs has reopened and is near capacity already. I've also read where Biden has asked for "volunteer deployments" for 120 days to address this issue. In looking at the photos that the delegations have taken during their respective tours, who in their right mind would take on such a role in light of the living conditions, lack of planning and stemming the situation, and with Covid assumingly running rampant through the facilities? Why the heck is the most powerful man in the world asking for volunteers when the stakes are so high?

We need some facts, truth, and a plan to address this before it gets way out of control.
Perhaps members of the Portland area BLM could volunteer, as they are known for their great spirit of altruism.


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Re: Border Crisis

Post by Cataholic » Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:27 pm

PortlandCat90 wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:13 pm
When is this going to be addressed? This is a major issue that Biden has delegated the leadership in solving this problem to Harris. So far, no public statements, plan of attack, facts, etc. Heck, not even a trip to the border (nor one planned at this point) to see first hand what is going on. Nothing in almost a week on a subject of national security, Covid, and immigration? By reversing most of the policies that were in place without consideration for the results is dumbfounding.

The video of her laughing at the situation should have shown Biden that she is nowhere qualified to address this pressing issue.

In her campaign promises, she hammered the podium, stating "I would get kids out of cages and close detention centers" in order to win the ticket. It appears that all it took was one election for "kids in cages" to become the norm and acceptable again, as long as she is defining the term that holding the children is defined by.

I've read where Carrizo Springs has reopened and is near capacity already. I've also read where Biden has asked for "volunteer deployments" for 120 days to address this issue. In looking at the photos that the delegations have taken during their respective tours, who in their right mind would take on such a role in light of the living conditions, lack of planning and stemming the situation, and with Covid assumingly running rampant through the facilities? Why the heck is the most powerful man in the world asking for volunteers when the stakes are so high?

We need some facts, truth, and a plan to address this before it gets way out of control.
This is really a disaster, yet the mainstream media is providing minimal coverage. On cnn.com front page, there must be 200 stories. They had two stories on the border: one about seeking volunteers to work the facility and the second was on the number of children currently in custody. Cam you imagine if this happened under Trump or any Republican leader? It would be called one the biggest human injustices in recent memory.

What is truly amazing is that Biden will not acknowledge the crisis and refuses to make any changes for fear of admitting he was wrong. Some of his statements in his sole “press conference” were nowhere near the truth and the media just looked the other way. His statement that the “majority” of immigrants are being sent back is a complete fabrication as less than 15% have actually been sent back.



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Re: Border Crisis

Post by iaafan » Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:24 am

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/618420/
The press has embraced the narrative of a border crisis—but that is consistent with how the media have covered immigration for decades, and how they covered the matter during the Trump administration. The problems at the border are very real, but they are also long-standing issues for which the crisis narrative offers only one, false solution: that illegal immigration can be prevented by the ruthless application of state violence.
“It's brazenly disingenuous for individuals who actively supported the Trump administration's anti-immigrant policies to use terms like kids in cages,” Naureen Shah, a senior policy counsel for the ACLU, told me. “It is outrageous that so many elected officials feign concern and compassion for these kids, when they did not lift a finger to help them, and will prefer that they remain in perilous conditions on the other side of the border.”
The talk of open borders is simply nonsense. There has been a large rise in apprehensions at the southern border, including of unaccompanied migrant children—but the increase in adult apprehensions is at least partly the result of people repeatedly trying to cross after being expelled under Title 42, a law that gives the government the authority to close the border for public-health reasons. Analyses from both the Cato Institute and the American Immigration Council have found that such repeated attempts at crossing after being turned away—and not a surge in the number of new individuals crossing—seem to be responsible for the rise in apprehensions.
The evidence for Biden’s reversals having caused the rise to begin with is thin. The Biden administration did rescind the 2018 “remain in Mexico” policy, which was an attempt to effectively end migrants’ legal right to apply for asylum and which, as the Post’s Greg Sargent has written, “exposed migrants to violence, kidnapping and refugee camp conditions.” The administration has also been allowing in a small number of families, according to Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, “when Mexico’s capacity is reached.” And, most significant, it shifted away from a Trump-era policy of expelling unaccompanied children under Title 42, a policy that a federal judge struck down in December. The day the ruling was issued, the Trump administration shuttled 33 Guatemalan children out of the country, the last of some 16,000 to be expelled.
To the extent that the United States has a border crisis, it is an enduring one: the mistreatment of human beings in American custody. That problem is resolvable, but only by the U.S. meeting its legal obligation to treat migrants humanely. Even the problem of migrant flows can be mitigated by fixing a byzantine and ineffective immigration system, and addressing root causes in migrants’ nations of origin. But if the “border crisis” is the American government’s failure to be as cruel as possible, there is no solution worth pursuing, and none that would actually work.



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Re: Border Crisis

Post by PortlandCat90 » Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:40 am

iaafan wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:24 am
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/618420/
The press has embraced the narrative of a border crisis—but that is consistent with how the media have covered immigration for decades, and how they covered the matter during the Trump administration. The problems at the border are very real, but they are also long-standing issues for which the crisis narrative offers only one, false solution: that illegal immigration can be prevented by the ruthless application of state violence.
“It's brazenly disingenuous for individuals who actively supported the Trump administration's anti-immigrant policies to use terms like kids in cages,” Naureen Shah, a senior policy counsel for the ACLU, told me. “It is outrageous that so many elected officials feign concern and compassion for these kids, when they did not lift a finger to help them, and will prefer that they remain in perilous conditions on the other side of the border.”
The talk of open borders is simply nonsense. There has been a large rise in apprehensions at the southern border, including of unaccompanied migrant children—but the increase in adult apprehensions is at least partly the result of people repeatedly trying to cross after being expelled under Title 42, a law that gives the government the authority to close the border for public-health reasons. Analyses from both the Cato Institute and the American Immigration Council have found that such repeated attempts at crossing after being turned away—and not a surge in the number of new individuals crossing—seem to be responsible for the rise in apprehensions.
The evidence for Biden’s reversals having caused the rise to begin with is thin. The Biden administration did rescind the 2018 “remain in Mexico” policy, which was an attempt to effectively end migrants’ legal right to apply for asylum and which, as the Post’s Greg Sargent has written, “exposed migrants to violence, kidnapping and refugee camp conditions.” The administration has also been allowing in a small number of families, according to Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, “when Mexico’s capacity is reached.” And, most significant, it shifted away from a Trump-era policy of expelling unaccompanied children under Title 42, a policy that a federal judge struck down in December. The day the ruling was issued, the Trump administration shuttled 33 Guatemalan children out of the country, the last of some 16,000 to be expelled.
To the extent that the United States has a border crisis, it is an enduring one: the mistreatment of human beings in American custody. That problem is resolvable, but only by the U.S. meeting its legal obligation to treat migrants humanely. Even the problem of migrant flows can be mitigated by fixing a byzantine and ineffective immigration system, and addressing root causes in migrants’ nations of origin. But if the “border crisis” is the American government’s failure to be as cruel as possible, there is no solution worth pursuing, and none that would actually work.
Great. Another repost of some quotes from an Op Ed from somebody that nobody knows about. As I stated earlier, we can spend all day and night reposting quips and clips and tweets about somebody's opinion. Why not add to the conversation with something of value?

Back to the question: where is the VP of the United States on this issue?



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Re: Border Crisis

Post by PortlandCat90 » Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:34 am

Rich K wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:18 pm
PortlandCat90 wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:13 pm
When is this going to be addressed? This is a major issue that Biden has delegated the leadership in solving this problem to Harris. So far, no public statements, plan of attack, facts, etc. Heck, not even a trip to the border (nor one planned at this point) to see first hand what is going on. Nothing in almost a week on a subject of national security, Covid, and immigration? By reversing most of the policies that were in place without consideration for the results is dumbfounding.

The video of her laughing at the situation should have shown Biden that she is nowhere qualified to address this pressing issue.

In her campaign promises, she hammered the podium, stating "I would get kids out of cages and close detention centers" in order to win the ticket. It appears that all it took was one election for "kids in cages" to become the norm and acceptable again, as long as she is defining the term that holding the children is defined by.

I've read where Carrizo Springs has reopened and is near capacity already. I've also read where Biden has asked for "volunteer deployments" for 120 days to address this issue. In looking at the photos that the delegations have taken during their respective tours, who in their right mind would take on such a role in light of the living conditions, lack of planning and stemming the situation, and with Covid assumingly running rampant through the facilities? Why the heck is the most powerful man in the world asking for volunteers when the stakes are so high?

We need some facts, truth, and a plan to address this before it gets way out of control.
Perhaps members of the Portland area BLM could volunteer, as they are known for their great spirit of altruism.
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Re: Border Crisis

Post by iaafan » Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:03 am

PortlandCat90 wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:40 am
iaafan wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:24 am
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/618420/
The press has embraced the narrative of a border crisis—but that is consistent with how the media have covered immigration for decades, and how they covered the matter during the Trump administration. The problems at the border are very real, but they are also long-standing issues for which the crisis narrative offers only one, false solution: that illegal immigration can be prevented by the ruthless application of state violence.
“It's brazenly disingenuous for individuals who actively supported the Trump administration's anti-immigrant policies to use terms like kids in cages,” Naureen Shah, a senior policy counsel for the ACLU, told me. “It is outrageous that so many elected officials feign concern and compassion for these kids, when they did not lift a finger to help them, and will prefer that they remain in perilous conditions on the other side of the border.”
The talk of open borders is simply nonsense. There has been a large rise in apprehensions at the southern border, including of unaccompanied migrant children—but the increase in adult apprehensions is at least partly the result of people repeatedly trying to cross after being expelled under Title 42, a law that gives the government the authority to close the border for public-health reasons. Analyses from both the Cato Institute and the American Immigration Council have found that such repeated attempts at crossing after being turned away—and not a surge in the number of new individuals crossing—seem to be responsible for the rise in apprehensions.
The evidence for Biden’s reversals having caused the rise to begin with is thin. The Biden administration did rescind the 2018 “remain in Mexico” policy, which was an attempt to effectively end migrants’ legal right to apply for asylum and which, as the Post’s Greg Sargent has written, “exposed migrants to violence, kidnapping and refugee camp conditions.” The administration has also been allowing in a small number of families, according to Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, “when Mexico’s capacity is reached.” And, most significant, it shifted away from a Trump-era policy of expelling unaccompanied children under Title 42, a policy that a federal judge struck down in December. The day the ruling was issued, the Trump administration shuttled 33 Guatemalan children out of the country, the last of some 16,000 to be expelled.
To the extent that the United States has a border crisis, it is an enduring one: the mistreatment of human beings in American custody. That problem is resolvable, but only by the U.S. meeting its legal obligation to treat migrants humanely. Even the problem of migrant flows can be mitigated by fixing a byzantine and ineffective immigration system, and addressing root causes in migrants’ nations of origin. But if the “border crisis” is the American government’s failure to be as cruel as possible, there is no solution worth pursuing, and none that would actually work.
Great. Another repost of some quotes from an Op Ed from somebody that nobody knows about. As I stated earlier, we can spend all day and night reposting quips and clips and tweets about somebody's opinion. Why not add to the conversation with something of value?

Back to the question: where is the VP of the United States on this issue?
If you get some background on the issue, it'll help you understand what is going on. If you were being honest in your initial post it sounds like you haven't been following this over the years.



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Re: Border Crisis

Post by catatac » Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:46 am

Pretty much every administration for the past 50 years has admitted there is a big problem with the Southern border of the U.S. Most presidents take little or no action to resolve it. Hate Trump or not, but nobody can argue that he didn't take action and at least try to do something to make our country better there. Via new policies and rule changes, building the wall, etc... at least he was taking action. I'd be curious to hear the grand plan Biden has to improve the situation.


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Re: Border Crisis

Post by iaafan » Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:50 pm

catatac wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:46 am
Pretty much every administration for the past 50 years has admitted there is a big problem with the Southern border of the U.S. Most presidents take little or no action to resolve it. Hate Trump or not, but nobody can argue that he didn't take action and at least try to do something to make our country better there. Via new policies and rule changes, building the wall, etc... at least he was taking action. I'd be curious to hear the grand plan Biden has to improve the situation.
Yes, it's an old problem. On one hand you have people who desperately want out of their country due to the violence and fear, while on the other you have people that want to come here for the wrong reasons.

A lot of the folks that are escaping violence have crossed over several borders illegally just to get to the US/Mexico border.

So how do you get them to want to stay in their own country? You either have to make getting into this country a very scary proposition, because what they're leaving is obviously worth the risk, or you do something to make the country they're in more livable. Those are two very bad options.

I think people trying to escape persecution should be allowed to come here, but that has a lot of issues for them and us. They need to get permission to come here, but try getting permission from a hostile country to leave and all that entails. It's probably beyond the financial means of most of them, if that's even an option. Even if they could get through those channels, that doesn't mean that huge numbers of immigrants coming here would work out well for us.

I don't like the idea of giving corrupt governments money to make their country more livable for the current residents. That just sounds like a mistake. The money would just go in some tyrants pockets.

It's essentially an unsolvable problem at this point. Even if you could keep everyone from crossing the border that is a failure as well, because now you have to live with the fact that you're leaving people to die or live an abysmal life. No one wins.



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Re: Border Crisis

Post by Cataholic » Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:28 pm

iaafan wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:50 pm
catatac wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:46 am
Pretty much every administration for the past 50 years has admitted there is a big problem with the Southern border of the U.S. Most presidents take little or no action to resolve it. Hate Trump or not, but nobody can argue that he didn't take action and at least try to do something to make our country better there. Via new policies and rule changes, building the wall, etc... at least he was taking action. I'd be curious to hear the grand plan Biden has to improve the situation.
Yes, it's an old problem. On one hand you have people who desperately want out of their country due to the violence and fear, while on the other you have people that want to come here for the wrong reasons.

A lot of the folks that are escaping violence have crossed over several borders illegally just to get to the US/Mexico border.

So how do you get them to want to stay in their own country? You either have to make getting into this country a very scary proposition, because what they're leaving is obviously worth the risk, or you do something to make the country they're in more livable. Those are two very bad options.

I think people trying to escape persecution should be allowed to come here, but that has a lot of issues for them and us. They need to get permission to come here, but try getting permission from a hostile country to leave and all that entails. It's probably beyond the financial means of most of them, if that's even an option. Even if they could get through those channels, that doesn't mean that huge numbers of immigrants coming here would work out well for us.

I don't like the idea of giving corrupt governments money to make their country more livable for the current residents. That just sounds like a mistake. The money would just go in some tyrants pockets.

It's essentially an unsolvable problem at this point. Even if you could keep everyone from crossing the border that is a failure as well, because now you have to live with the fact that you're leaving people to die or live an abysmal life. No one wins.
Everyone feels bad for people in other countries that face tough situations. But to not acknowledge that Biden has created a serious crisis at the border is an absolute "partisan political" stance. The situation at the border is facing an unprecedented situation that Biden's admin is 100% responsible for.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/inside ... s-facility
There are 4,100 migrants in the facility, 3,400 of whom are unaccompanied minors. Thirty-nine of those have been at the facility for more than 15 days. Its capacity was just 250 during the pandemic, and 1,000 before the pandemic.



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Post by RickRund » Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:12 pm

5000 people each day.

There are 16000 minors now totally overwhelming capacity. Currently roughly 300 are testing positive.



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Re: Border Crisis

Post by TomCat88 » Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:05 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:28 pm
iaafan wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:50 pm
catatac wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:46 am
Pretty much every administration for the past 50 years has admitted there is a big problem with the Southern border of the U.S. Most presidents take little or no action to resolve it. Hate Trump or not, but nobody can argue that he didn't take action and at least try to do something to make our country better there. Via new policies and rule changes, building the wall, etc... at least he was taking action. I'd be curious to hear the grand plan Biden has to improve the situation.
Yes, it's an old problem. On one hand you have people who desperately want out of their country due to the violence and fear, while on the other you have people that want to come here for the wrong reasons.

A lot of the folks that are escaping violence have crossed over several borders illegally just to get to the US/Mexico border.

So how do you get them to want to stay in their own country? You either have to make getting into this country a very scary proposition, because what they're leaving is obviously worth the risk, or you do something to make the country they're in more livable. Those are two very bad options.

I think people trying to escape persecution should be allowed to come here, but that has a lot of issues for them and us. They need to get permission to come here, but try getting permission from a hostile country to leave and all that entails. It's probably beyond the financial means of most of them, if that's even an option. Even if they could get through those channels, that doesn't mean that huge numbers of immigrants coming here would work out well for us.

I don't like the idea of giving corrupt governments money to make their country more livable for the current residents. That just sounds like a mistake. The money would just go in some tyrants pockets.

It's essentially an unsolvable problem at this point. Even if you could keep everyone from crossing the border that is a failure as well, because now you have to live with the fact that you're leaving people to die or live an abysmal life. No one wins.
Everyone feels bad for people in other countries that face tough situations. But to not acknowledge that Biden has created a serious crisis at the border is an absolute "partisan political" stance. The situation at the border is facing an unprecedented situation that Biden's admin is 100% responsible for.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/inside ... s-facility
There are 4,100 migrants in the facility, 3,400 of whom are unaccompanied minors. Thirty-nine of those have been at the facility for more than 15 days. Its capacity was just 250 during the pandemic, and 1,000 before the pandemic.
Fox News and its lawyers contend in court that it is an entertainment network and shouldn’t be taken seriously. Quoting it continuously after calling someone else partisan is the pot calling the kettle round.


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Re: Border Crisis

Post by RickRund » Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:43 pm

But we should take cnn, msnbc, npr, etc serious...



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Re: Border Crisis

Post by TomCat88 » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:04 am

RickRund wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:43 pm
But we should take cnn, msnbc, npr, etc serious...
I know that you won’t, but they’ve never had their lawyers tell the court that any part of their programming is just for entertainment and shouldn’t be taken seriously.

Just pointing out the flaw in Cataholics post. It’s difficult to accuse someone of partisanship with a Fox News link in your post. C’mon man! 😉


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Re: Border Crisis

Post by PortlandCat90 » Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:18 am

Texas Governor Abbott has sent a letter directly to VP Harris, urging her to visit the border and accept the fed's responsibility for these actions and results. He's also asked several questions and inquired "what the administration is doing".

On March 6th he, along with the TDPS, implemented Operation Lone Star to address the border crisis. He expanded it on March 17 to include anti-trafficking aspects of the situation. However, as he has stated, this is the federal government's responsibility.

Why is VP Harris hiding during all of this?

https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/pre ... 300778.pdf



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Re: Border Crisis

Post by The Butcher » Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:23 am

PortlandCat90 wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:18 am
Texas Governor Abbott has sent a letter directly to VP Harris, urging her to visit the border and accept the fed's responsibility for these actions and results. He's also asked several questions and inquired "what the administration is doing".

On March 6th he, along with the TDPS, implemented Operation Lone Star to address the border crisis. He expanded it on March 17 to include anti-trafficking aspects of the situation. However, as he has stated, this is the federal government's responsibility.

Why is VP Harris hiding during all of this?

https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/pre ... 300778.pdf
I am glad Abbott is taking this more seriously than COVID that claimed 50,000 Texan lives and this past winter storm that claimed 111 Texan lives.



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Re: Border Crisis

Post by PortlandCat90 » Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:33 am

The Butcher wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:23 am
PortlandCat90 wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:18 am
Texas Governor Abbott has sent a letter directly to VP Harris, urging her to visit the border and accept the fed's responsibility for these actions and results. He's also asked several questions and inquired "what the administration is doing".

On March 6th he, along with the TDPS, implemented Operation Lone Star to address the border crisis. He expanded it on March 17 to include anti-trafficking aspects of the situation. However, as he has stated, this is the federal government's responsibility.

Why is VP Harris hiding during all of this?

https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/pre ... 300778.pdf
I am glad Abbott is taking this more seriously than COVID that claimed 50,000 Texan lives and this past winter storm that claimed 111 Texan lives.
Joking about deaths? Human Trafficking? Seriously? Does that make your partisan stance legit? Show some maturity.



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Re: Border Crisis

Post by The Butcher » Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:49 am

PortlandCat90 wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:33 am
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:23 am
PortlandCat90 wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:18 am
Texas Governor Abbott has sent a letter directly to VP Harris, urging her to visit the border and accept the fed's responsibility for these actions and results. He's also asked several questions and inquired "what the administration is doing".

On March 6th he, along with the TDPS, implemented Operation Lone Star to address the border crisis. He expanded it on March 17 to include anti-trafficking aspects of the situation. However, as he has stated, this is the federal government's responsibility.

Why is VP Harris hiding during all of this?

https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/pre ... 300778.pdf
I am glad Abbott is taking this more seriously than COVID that claimed 50,000 Texan lives and this past winter storm that claimed 111 Texan lives.
Joking about deaths? Human Trafficking? Seriously? Does that make your partisan stance legit? Show some maturity.
That wasn't a joke. That is how many Texans have died. You can find that information from numerous media outlets. I am glad that Abbott has made a decision to govern which could save lives. Hopefully this isn't a political stunt, because this concern didn't exists under Trump's Administration and when he was the Attorney General of Texas.



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Re: Border Crisis

Post by Cataholic » Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:53 am

TomCat88 wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:05 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:28 pm
iaafan wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:50 pm
catatac wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:46 am
Pretty much every administration for the past 50 years has admitted there is a big problem with the Southern border of the U.S. Most presidents take little or no action to resolve it. Hate Trump or not, but nobody can argue that he didn't take action and at least try to do something to make our country better there. Via new policies and rule changes, building the wall, etc... at least he was taking action. I'd be curious to hear the grand plan Biden has to improve the situation.
Yes, it's an old problem. On one hand you have people who desperately want out of their country due to the violence and fear, while on the other you have people that want to come here for the wrong reasons.

A lot of the folks that are escaping violence have crossed over several borders illegally just to get to the US/Mexico border.

So how do you get them to want to stay in their own country? You either have to make getting into this country a very scary proposition, because what they're leaving is obviously worth the risk, or you do something to make the country they're in more livable. Those are two very bad options.

I think people trying to escape persecution should be allowed to come here, but that has a lot of issues for them and us. They need to get permission to come here, but try getting permission from a hostile country to leave and all that entails. It's probably beyond the financial means of most of them, if that's even an option. Even if they could get through those channels, that doesn't mean that huge numbers of immigrants coming here would work out well for us.

I don't like the idea of giving corrupt governments money to make their country more livable for the current residents. That just sounds like a mistake. The money would just go in some tyrants pockets.

It's essentially an unsolvable problem at this point. Even if you could keep everyone from crossing the border that is a failure as well, because now you have to live with the fact that you're leaving people to die or live an abysmal life. No one wins.
Everyone feels bad for people in other countries that face tough situations. But to not acknowledge that Biden has created a serious crisis at the border is an absolute "partisan political" stance. The situation at the border is facing an unprecedented situation that Biden's admin is 100% responsible for.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/inside ... s-facility
There are 4,100 migrants in the facility, 3,400 of whom are unaccompanied minors. Thirty-nine of those have been at the facility for more than 15 days. Its capacity was just 250 during the pandemic, and 1,000 before the pandemic.
Fox News and its lawyers contend in court that it is an entertainment network and shouldn’t be taken seriously. Quoting it continuously after calling someone else partisan is the pot calling the kettle round.
Simple question for you. What isn’t true in the articles?



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Re: Border Crisis

Post by Cataholic » Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:56 am

TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:04 am
RickRund wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:43 pm
But we should take cnn, msnbc, npr, etc serious...
I know that you won’t, but they’ve never had their lawyers tell the court that any part of their programming is just for entertainment and shouldn’t be taken seriously.

Just pointing out the flaw in Cataholics post. It’s difficult to accuse someone of partisanship with a Fox News link in your post. C’mon man! 😉
Cmonnnnn mannnnnnn! One show host claims that defense about one article and all of a sudden the whole network has nothing of substance. What does that mean for NBC with Brian Williams who was caught red handed lying? How about Joy Reid or many others with MSNBC and CNN? Unbelievable hypocrisy on your part!



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