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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by iaafan » Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:29 pm

Do you get to be part of a problem and then speak out against the problem? I just don't think Trump, Cruz, et al are who we should be looking to for leadership on this. Had Trump just STFU like every other presidential candidate has done once it was obvious they lost and there was no way to change that, none of this would be happening. If republican congressmen hadn't been licking Trump's boots over all of this, he probably backs down and no of this is happening.

I'm not interested in hearing Trump tell people to go home. He doesn't get to do that. He needs to get the F out of DC and go home himself. Resign.



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by codecat » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:38 pm

I don't understand the Left position on doing everything possible not to look into election fraud. What have you got to lose?

If conservatives are wrong, we lose any political effectiveness whatsoever

but

If the mass of evidence and affidavits collected in the swing states are correct, NONE of us will experience a Free Election ever again.

Its usually only criminals and liars don't want the evidence to be seen.


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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by iaafan » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:42 pm

codecat wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:38 pm
I don't understand the Left position on doing everything possible not to look into election fraud. What have you got to lose?

If conservatives are wrong, we lose any political effectiveness whatsoever

but

If the mass of evidence and affidavits collected in the swing states are correct, NONE of us will experience a Free Election ever again.

Its usually only criminals and liars don't want the evidence to be seen.
The left does look into election fraud. That's why the republicans were busted in No. Carolina. Looked into that Watergate thingy a few decades ago. That's good advice tho.

https://www.gq.com/story/north-carolina ... rict-fraud



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by codecat » Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:02 pm

iaafan wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:42 pm
codecat wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:38 pm
I don't understand the Left position on doing everything possible not to look into election fraud. What have you got to lose?

If conservatives are wrong, we lose any political effectiveness whatsoever

but

If the mass of evidence and affidavits collected in the swing states are correct, NONE of us will experience a Free Election ever again.

Its usually only criminals and liars don't want the evidence to be seen.
The left does look into election fraud. That's why the republicans were busted in No. Carolina. Looked into that Watergate thingy a few decades ago. That's good advice tho.

https://www.gq.com/story/north-carolina ... rict-fraud
Do you think selective application is good for a supposed democracy?


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Post by Bobcat4Ever » Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:08 pm

I’d like to know the general feeling here — will Biden step down to create President Harris, and if so, how long into his term?



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by John K » Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:24 pm

codecat wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:38 pm
I don't understand the Left position on doing everything possible not to look into election fraud. What have you got to lose?

If conservatives are wrong, we lose any political effectiveness whatsoever

but

If the mass of evidence and affidavits collected in the swing states are correct, NONE of us will experience a Free Election ever again.

Its usually only criminals and liars don't want the evidence to be seen.
Here's a little news flash for you....they've already looked into potential election fraud more thoroughly than in any previous election, and they found a big fat goose egg.



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Post by BigBruceBaker » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:06 pm

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Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:30 am
I find it a bit ironic, that by the end of his term, Trump probably ended up doing more damage to the GOP, than he did to the Dems. During his 4 years in office, the White House, the House or Representatives, and now apparently the Senate too, have all flipped from Red to Blue. Gabriel Sterling, the lifelong Republican election administrator from Georgia, has laid the blame for the senate losses in his state squarely at the feet of Donald Trump, and I think it would be difficult for anyone to argue that point. He has now firmly split the party between those who have still retained some level of integrity, and those who have sold their soul to worship at the alter of their lord and master, Donald J. Trump. And then of course there are those who have twisted themselves into pretzels, trying to retain some level of credibility, while also not pissing off his cultish supporters.

The GOP controlled both houses of Congress during his first two years, and yet he accomplished very little except what he did via executive order, and of course stacking the judiciary with conservative judges (admittedly, the later will end up being very consequential for years to come). But no healthcare plan, no infrastructure plan, and no real progress in places like Iran and North Korea, despite his much hyped "love affair" with Kim Jong Un. His trade wars have been mostly unsuccessful, as there were only modest gains in manufacturing (approximately the same rate as during the last four year of the Obama administration) with devastating effects on the ag industry. It's also ironic that conservatives called Obama a socialist, but didn't bat an eye at all the subsidies he gave to ag producers, to try to buy their loyalty as his tariffs were destroying the markets for their products. And of course there was the revolving door of people coming and going in his cabinet and various other staff positions...people who he praised as being the "best and brightest" when he hired them, but then mocked as being idiots and losers once they left the administration. Either he's not a very good judge of people, or else all those people became a lot stupider, just by being that close to Trump during the time they worked for him. I'm reminded of the saying "other than that Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of the play?"

All that being said, being someone who has always considered myself a moderate/independent voter (I bet many people who have read my comments in here, would be surprised by my stances on certain issues), I hope and pray that Biden can resist the pressure he will undoubtedly get from the progressive wing of his party, especially now that the Dems will control both houses (or so it appears....of course the Georgia elections were obviously rigged too :roll: ). Fortunately, I firmly believe that people like Bernie Sanders and AOC are merely a vocal minority. I think the overwhelming majority of Democrats, like Biden himself, are far more moderate than most Republicans would have you believe. I don't think he will even try to push through an extreme left agenda, but even if he does, I think he will got plenty of push back from the majority of Dems in the House and Senate.
Some excellent points John. I'm a conservative but am more libertarian than anything (not a member of any party). I've been saying for 5 years Trump isn't a conservative and all these people acting like he is are absolutely fooling themselves.

He had some overall good ideas in terms of America first both in job creation and wars/military presence. But his overall inability to do things we NEEDED to get done like health care reform, social security/medicare reform, government waste is truly incredible. The art of the deal did not serve him well.


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Post by The Butcher » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:20 pm

Trump’s Twitter account has been suspended!



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by CelticCat » Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:41 am

codecat wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:38 pm
I don't understand the Left position on doing everything possible not to look into election fraud. What have you got to lose?

If conservatives are wrong, we lose any political effectiveness whatsoever

but

If the mass of evidence and affidavits collected in the swing states are correct, NONE of us will experience a Free Election ever again.

Its usually only criminals and liars don't want the evidence to be seen.
Well I think you saw the result of the Right's strategy of claiming election fraud in the Georgia runoff election, now the Senate is controlled by the Dems.

Turns out that maybe claiming the whole thing is rigged, rather than a message of go out and vote, wasn't a great strategy.


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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by codecat » Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:20 am

CelticCat wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:41 am
codecat wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:38 pm
I don't understand the Left position on doing everything possible not to look into election fraud. What have you got to lose?

If conservatives are wrong, we lose any political effectiveness whatsoever

but

If the mass of evidence and affidavits collected in the swing states are correct, NONE of us will experience a Free Election ever again.

Its usually only criminals and liars don't want the evidence to be seen.
Well I think you saw the result of the Right's strategy of claiming election fraud in the Georgia runoff election, now the Senate is controlled by the Dems.

Turns out that maybe claiming the whole thing is rigged, rather than a message of go out and vote, wasn't a great strategy.
As I said before, its more likely the millions Zuckerberg poured into the swing states including Georgia - they couldn't win them outright so had to use the tools they have the most, money and blackmail. I'm sure you don't believe that the news has censored any posts on the from people on the right either? So much for Free Speech. Its a shame that nobody on the left is even willing to have the evidence presented.


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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by John K » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:12 am

codecat wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:20 am
CelticCat wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:41 am
codecat wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:38 pm
I don't understand the Left position on doing everything possible not to look into election fraud. What have you got to lose?

If conservatives are wrong, we lose any political effectiveness whatsoever

but

If the mass of evidence and affidavits collected in the swing states are correct, NONE of us will experience a Free Election ever again.

Its usually only criminals and liars don't want the evidence to be seen.
Well I think you saw the result of the Right's strategy of claiming election fraud in the Georgia runoff election, now the Senate is controlled by the Dems.

Turns out that maybe claiming the whole thing is rigged, rather than a message of go out and vote, wasn't a great strategy.
As I said before, its more likely the millions Zuckerberg poured into the swing states including Georgia - they couldn't win them outright so had to use the tools they have the most, money and blackmail. I'm sure you don't believe that the news has censored any posts on the from people on the right either? So much for Free Speech. Its a shame that nobody on the left is even willing to have the evidence presented.
You really do put the "wacko" in "right wing wacko".



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by CatBlitz » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:51 am

codecat wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:20 am
CelticCat wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:41 am
codecat wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:38 pm
I don't understand the Left position on doing everything possible not to look into election fraud. What have you got to lose?

If conservatives are wrong, we lose any political effectiveness whatsoever

but

If the mass of evidence and affidavits collected in the swing states are correct, NONE of us will experience a Free Election ever again.

Its usually only criminals and liars don't want the evidence to be seen.
Well I think you saw the result of the Right's strategy of claiming election fraud in the Georgia runoff election, now the Senate is controlled by the Dems.

Turns out that maybe claiming the whole thing is rigged, rather than a message of go out and vote, wasn't a great strategy.
As I said before, its more likely the millions Zuckerberg poured into the swing states including Georgia - they couldn't win them outright so had to use the tools they have the most, money and blackmail. I'm sure you don't believe that the news has censored any posts on the from people on the right either? So much for Free Speech. Its a shame that nobody on the left is even willing to have the evidence presented.
Ooh! Remember when Senate Republicans blocked new witnesses and documents from being considered in Trump’s impeachment trial?
A real shame about that republican Alzheimer's.


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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by The Butcher » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:17 pm

The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:20 pm
Trump’s Twitter account has been suspended!
Trump has been banned from Facebook indefinitely!



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by John K » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:22 pm

The Butcher wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:17 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:20 pm
Trump’s Twitter account has been suspended!
Trump has been banned from Facebook indefinitely!
I posted this in another thread, so apologies for repeating myself, but just think about that for a minute. He's been deemed too irresponsible to have access to social media, but he still has access to the nuclear codes for two more weeks. How safe does that make you feel?



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by Cataholic » Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:03 pm

John K wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:22 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:17 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:20 pm
Trump’s Twitter account has been suspended!
Trump has been banned from Facebook indefinitely!
I posted this in another thread, so apologies for repeating myself, but just think about that for a minute. He's been deemed too irresponsible to have access to social media, but he still has access to the nuclear codes for two more weeks. How safe does that make you feel?
That is quite a leap... from Facebook and Twitter to nuclear codes? Seems to be the height of liberal exaggeration or your part.... but I forgot that you are a moderate🤔🤔🤔

How about this for a comparison? The media in communist countries is used to control the messaging of information to their citizens. Two of the largest social media companies in the world are acting in a similar manner by censoring what it allows - specifically Trumps ability to communicate with the country. Trump yesterday even had multiples messages on his Twitter calling for peace and telling people to go home - and they still suspended him! That is scary power and will result in significant regulatory changes for these social media companies.



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by The Butcher » Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:54 pm

John K wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:22 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:17 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:20 pm
Trump’s Twitter account has been suspended!
Trump has been banned from Facebook indefinitely!
I posted this in another thread, so apologies for repeating myself, but just think about that for a minute. He's been deemed too irresponsible to have access to social media, but he still has access to the nuclear codes for two more weeks. How safe does that make you feel?
That is a scary thought. He has no self-control on social media, yet we should trust his judgement with weapons of mass destruction? YIKES!



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by wbtfg » Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:14 pm

Poor Mike





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Post by Cataholic » Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:48 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:14 pm
Poor Mike


Jake Tapper - CNN guy who openly hates everything Trump. That is a great source! No way to confirm the comments, but let’s go ahead and report it since it makes Trump look bad. Of course, Trump had senior intel and military people around him all day who I am sure informed Trump that the VP was safe and secure, but who cares?? It is great press and the libs will eat it up.



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