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GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by John K » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:30 am

I find it a bit ironic, that by the end of his term, Trump probably ended up doing more damage to the GOP, than he did to the Dems. During his 4 years in office, the White House, the House or Representatives, and now apparently the Senate too, have all flipped from Red to Blue. Gabriel Sterling, the lifelong Republican election administrator from Georgia, has laid the blame for the senate losses in his state squarely at the feet of Donald Trump, and I think it would be difficult for anyone to argue that point. He has now firmly split the party between those who have still retained some level of integrity, and those who have sold their soul to worship at the alter of their lord and master, Donald J. Trump. And then of course there are those who have twisted themselves into pretzels, trying to retain some level of credibility, while also not pissing off his cultish supporters.

The GOP controlled both houses of Congress during his first two years, and yet he accomplished very little except what he did via executive order, and of course stacking the judiciary with conservative judges (admittedly, the later will end up being very consequential for years to come). But no healthcare plan, no infrastructure plan, and no real progress in places like Iran and North Korea, despite his much hyped "love affair" with Kim Jong Un. His trade wars have been mostly unsuccessful, as there were only modest gains in manufacturing (approximately the same rate as during the last four year of the Obama administration) with devastating effects on the ag industry. It's also ironic that conservatives called Obama a socialist, but didn't bat an eye at all the subsidies he gave to ag producers, to try to buy their loyalty as his tariffs were destroying the markets for their products. And of course there was the revolving door of people coming and going in his cabinet and various other staff positions...people who he praised as being the "best and brightest" when he hired them, but then mocked as being idiots and losers once they left the administration. Either he's not a very good judge of people, or else all those people became a lot stupider, just by being that close to Trump during the time they worked for him. I'm reminded of the saying "other than that Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of the play?"

All that being said, being someone who has always considered myself a moderate/independent voter (I bet many people who have read my comments in here, would be surprised by my stances on certain issues), I hope and pray that Biden can resist the pressure he will undoubtedly get from the progressive wing of his party, especially now that the Dems will control both houses (or so it appears....of course the Georgia elections were obviously rigged too :roll: ). Fortunately, I firmly believe that people like Bernie Sanders and AOC are merely a vocal minority. I think the overwhelming majority of Democrats, like Biden himself, are far more moderate than most Republicans would have you believe. I don't think he will even try to push through an extreme left agenda, but even if he does, I think he will got plenty of push back from the majority of Dems in the House and Senate.



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by codecat » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:52 am

John K wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:30 am
I find it a bit ironic, that by the end of his term, Trump probably ended up doing more damage to the GOP, than he did to the Dems. During his 4 years in office, the White House, the House or Representatives, and now apparently the Senate too, have all flipped from Red to Blue. Gabriel Sterling, the lifelong Republican election administrator from Georgia, has laid the blame for the senate losses in his state squarely at the feet of Donald Trump, and I think it would be difficult for anyone to argue that point. He has now firmly split the party between those who have still retained some level of integrity, and those who have sold their soul to worship at the alter of their lord and master, Donald J. Trump. And then of course there are those who have twisted themselves into pretzels, trying to retain some level of credibility, while also not pissing off his cultish supporters.

The GOP controlled both houses of Congress during his first two years, and yet he accomplished very little except what he did via executive order, and of course stacking the judiciary with conservative judges (admittedly, the later will end up being very consequential for years to come). But no healthcare plan, no infrastructure plan, and no real progress in places like Iran and North Korea, despite his much hyped "love affair" with Kim Jong Un. His trade wars have been mostly unsuccessful, as there were only modest gains in manufacturing (approximately the same rate as during the last four year of the Obama administration) with devastating effects on the ag industry. It's also ironic that conservatives called Obama a socialist, but didn't bat an eye at all the subsidies he gave to ag producers, to try to buy their loyalty as his tariffs were destroying the markets for their products. And of course there was the revolving door of people coming and going in his cabinet and various other staff positions...people who he praised as being the "best and brightest" when he hired them, but then mocked as being idiots and losers once they left the administration. Either he's not a very good judge of people, or else all those people became a lot stupider, just by being that close to Trump during the time they worked for him. I'm reminded of the saying "other than that Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of the play?"

All that being said, being someone who has always considered myself a moderate/independent voter (I bet many people who have read my comments in here, would be surprised by my stances on certain issues), I hope and pray that Biden can resist the pressure he will undoubtedly get from the progressive wing of his party, especially now that the Dems will control both houses (or so it appears....of course the Georgia elections were obviously rigged too :roll: ). Fortunately, I firmly believe that people like Bernie Sanders and AOC are merely a vocal minority. I think the overwhelming majority of Democrats, like Biden himself, are far more moderate than most Republicans would have you believe. I don't think he will even try to push through an extreme left agenda, but even if he does, I think he will got plenty of push back from the majority of Dems in the House and Senate.
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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by iaafan » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:55 am

I doubt very many voters bail on Trump, but a lot of politicians will. Unfortunately for Republicans that probably means that they'll lose ground in the mid-terms. A lot of people on the right have already started blaming Trump for the loss in Georgia. I think that was already expected in the Senate even without his influence.



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by codecat » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:44 pm

iaafan wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:55 am
I doubt very many voters bail on Trump, but a lot of politicians will. Unfortunately for Republicans that probably means that they'll lose ground in the mid-terms. A lot of people on the right have already started blaming Trump for the loss in Georgia. I think that was already expected in the Senate even without his influence.
I believe that you are right about Trump most likely not losing his base supporters, however the loss in the Senatorial races in Georgia could more easily be because of the influence of $400,000,000 by Zuckerberg in the swing states. Elected people in Washington want to keep their jobs, money and power, so I expect that we will continue to see 2-faced deep state in both parties unless the people clean house.


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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by catatac » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:51 pm

John K wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:30 am
I find it a bit ironic, that by the end of his term, Trump probably ended up doing more damage to the GOP, than he did to the Dems. During his 4 years in office, the White House, the House or Representatives, and now apparently the Senate too, have all flipped from Red to Blue. Gabriel Sterling, the lifelong Republican election administrator from Georgia, has laid the blame for the senate losses in his state squarely at the feet of Donald Trump, and I think it would be difficult for anyone to argue that point. He has now firmly split the party between those who have still retained some level of integrity, and those who have sold their soul to worship at the alter of their lord and master, Donald J. Trump. And then of course there are those who have twisted themselves into pretzels, trying to retain some level of credibility, while also not pissing off his cultish supporters.

The GOP controlled both houses of Congress during his first two years, and yet he accomplished very little except what he did via executive order, and of course stacking the judiciary with conservative judges (admittedly, the later will end up being very consequential for years to come). But no healthcare plan, no infrastructure plan, and no real progress in places like Iran and North Korea, despite his much hyped "love affair" with Kim Jong Un. His trade wars have been mostly unsuccessful, as there were only modest gains in manufacturing (approximately the same rate as during the last four year of the Obama administration) with devastating effects on the ag industry. It's also ironic that conservatives called Obama a socialist, but didn't bat an eye at all the subsidies he gave to ag producers, to try to buy their loyalty as his tariffs were destroying the markets for their products. And of course there was the revolving door of people coming and going in his cabinet and various other staff positions...people who he praised as being the "best and brightest" when he hired them, but then mocked as being idiots and losers once they left the administration. Either he's not a very good judge of people, or else all those people became a lot stupider, just by being that close to Trump during the time they worked for him. I'm reminded of the saying "other than that Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of the play?"

All that being said, being someone who has always considered myself a moderate/independent voter (I bet many people who have read my comments in here, would be surprised by my stances on certain issues), I hope and pray that Biden can resist the pressure he will undoubtedly get from the progressive wing of his party, especially now that the Dems will control both houses (or so it appears....of course the Georgia elections were obviously rigged too :roll: ). Fortunately, I firmly believe that people like Bernie Sanders and AOC are merely a vocal minority. I think the overwhelming majority of Democrats, like Biden himself, are far more moderate than most Republicans would have you believe. I don't think he will even try to push through an extreme left agenda, but even if he does, I think he will got plenty of push back from the majority of Dems in the House and Senate.
Good post John. I disagree with some of your views but it's all good. I really hope you are correct on the part I underlined above. Honestly, I think a LOT of people on both sides are hoping for this!


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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by John K » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:30 pm

codecat wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:52 am
John K wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:30 am
I find it a bit ironic, that by the end of his term, Trump probably ended up doing more damage to the GOP, than he did to the Dems. During his 4 years in office, the White House, the House or Representatives, and now apparently the Senate too, have all flipped from Red to Blue. Gabriel Sterling, the lifelong Republican election administrator from Georgia, has laid the blame for the senate losses in his state squarely at the feet of Donald Trump, and I think it would be difficult for anyone to argue that point. He has now firmly split the party between those who have still retained some level of integrity, and those who have sold their soul to worship at the alter of their lord and master, Donald J. Trump. And then of course there are those who have twisted themselves into pretzels, trying to retain some level of credibility, while also not pissing off his cultish supporters.

The GOP controlled both houses of Congress during his first two years, and yet he accomplished very little except what he did via executive order, and of course stacking the judiciary with conservative judges (admittedly, the later will end up being very consequential for years to come). But no healthcare plan, no infrastructure plan, and no real progress in places like Iran and North Korea, despite his much hyped "love affair" with Kim Jong Un. His trade wars have been mostly unsuccessful, as there were only modest gains in manufacturing (approximately the same rate as during the last four year of the Obama administration) with devastating effects on the ag industry. It's also ironic that conservatives called Obama a socialist, but didn't bat an eye at all the subsidies he gave to ag producers, to try to buy their loyalty as his tariffs were destroying the markets for their products. And of course there was the revolving door of people coming and going in his cabinet and various other staff positions...people who he praised as being the "best and brightest" when he hired them, but then mocked as being idiots and losers once they left the administration. Either he's not a very good judge of people, or else all those people became a lot stupider, just by being that close to Trump during the time they worked for him. I'm reminded of the saying "other than that Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of the play?"

All that being said, being someone who has always considered myself a moderate/independent voter (I bet many people who have read my comments in here, would be surprised by my stances on certain issues), I hope and pray that Biden can resist the pressure he will undoubtedly get from the progressive wing of his party, especially now that the Dems will control both houses (or so it appears....of course the Georgia elections were obviously rigged too :roll: ). Fortunately, I firmly believe that people like Bernie Sanders and AOC are merely a vocal minority. I think the overwhelming majority of Democrats, like Biden himself, are far more moderate than most Republicans would have you believe. I don't think he will even try to push through an extreme left agenda, but even if he does, I think he will got plenty of push back from the majority of Dems in the House and Senate.
Yup, we got one of the only guy on the slate that was not a politician and one of the few people that would stand up for the People of this country and our Constitutional Freedoms.

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Trump is not a politician!?!? What are you even talking about? Everything he does is politically motivated. Towards the end of his term, all he cared about was being re-elected. Since the election. his attention has been entirely focused on trying to figure out some way to overturn the election and stay in office. If that's not being a "politician", then I guess we have very different interpretations of that word.

He has no ideology. He has no values. He doesn't give a rip about the Republican party, which should be clear to even his most ardent supporters, with the way he sabotaged the Georgia senate elections. Even when he went to Georgia, theoretically to campaign for the senate candidates, he spent most of his time talking about how he was the victim of a rigged election, and essentially telling voters that the senate elections would be rigged too. He didn't care if the two GOP candidates won or not. They can't help him now that he's out of office, and he doesn't give a rip about anyone if they can't help him. He just wanted to hold rallies there and whip his adoring supporters into their usual frenzy. That kind of thing is like crack cocaine for him. He just wanted a forum to continue whining about the election being stolen from him. Conservatives always deride liberals for being snowflakes and victims, but no one plays the victim card more than Trump. He takes credit for everything, but accepts responsibility for nothing. If something goes wrong, or if he loses, it's everyone else's fault in some way, not his. He demands total loyalty from people, but he gives zero loyalty in return.



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by The Butcher » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:45 pm

Trump said stand down and standby and now his supporters have shutdown the Capitol.

This summarizes Trump and what he has done to our country.



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by ilovethecats » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:10 pm

The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:45 pm
Trump said stand down and standby and now his supporters have shutdown the Capitol.

This summarizes Trump and what he has done to our country.
Wait. Shouldn't we be blaming the morons rioting? :-k

President Trump could be my favorite person in the history of the universe but if he asked me to do something stupid, that could harm other people....I'd just go ahead and NOT do that thing. It's really easy. Look at me! Not rioting!

I hope I'm alive to see the day when we get back to personal accountability for stupid choices. Right now you can do any stupid thing you want, and in your defense blame the parents, schools, video games, actors, entertainers, politicians and presidents. Nothing is ever the fault of the person doing moronic things.



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by The Butcher » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:21 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:10 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:45 pm
Trump said stand down and standby and now his supporters have shutdown the Capitol.

This summarizes Trump and what he has done to our country.
Wait. Shouldn't we be blaming the morons rioting? :-k

President Trump could be my favorite person in the history of the universe but if he asked me to do something stupid, that could harm other people....I'd just go ahead and NOT do that thing. It's really easy. Look at me! Not rioting!

I hope I'm alive to see the day when we get back to personal accountability for stupid choices. Right now you can do any stupid thing you want, and in your defense blame the parents, schools, video games, actors, entertainers, politicians and presidents. Nothing is ever the fault of the person doing moronic things.
Trump incited violence plain and simple. This is on Trump and his enablers.



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by iaafan » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:24 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:10 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:45 pm
Trump said stand down and standby and now his supporters have shutdown the Capitol.

This summarizes Trump and what he has done to our country.
Wait. Shouldn't we be blaming the morons rioting? :-k

President Trump could be my favorite person in the history of the universe but if he asked me to do something stupid, that could harm other people....I'd just go ahead and NOT do that thing. It's really easy. Look at me! Not rioting!

I hope I'm alive to see the day when we get back to personal accountability for stupid choices. Right now you can do any stupid thing you want, and in your defense blame the parents, schools, video games, actors, entertainers, politicians and presidents. Nothing is ever the fault of the person doing moronic things.
Yes, we should be blaming the people rioting. The person (Trump) that has incited this is also to blame. It's possible to blame both.



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by codecat » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:27 pm

The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:45 pm
Trump said stand down and standby and now his supporters have shutdown the Capitol.

This summarizes Trump and what he has done to our country.
Trump said to march peacefully, that speaks for himself. This is a grass roots movement of concerned conservative citizens, unlike the totally bought and paid for BLM and Antifa. Did you already forget the message of intimidation put forth by the left from just a few months ago?


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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by iaafan » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:28 pm

This is getting to be beyond "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters." It's now "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, and if I was arrested someone would serve my jail time for me and, if necessary, be executed for me."



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by iaafan » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:29 pm

codecat wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:27 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:45 pm
Trump said stand down and standby and now his supporters have shutdown the Capitol.

This summarizes Trump and what he has done to our country.
Trump said to march peacefully, that speaks for himself. This is a grass roots movement of
concerned conservative citizens,
unlike the totally bought and paid for BLM and Antifa. Did you already forget the message of intimidation put forth by the left from just a few months ago?
Oh, yes, I forgot. When right wing people do it, it's "concerned citizens."



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by codecat » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:33 pm

John K wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:30 pm
codecat wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:52 am
John K wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:30 am
I find it a bit ironic, that by the end of his term, Trump probably ended up doing more damage to the GOP, than he did to the Dems. During his 4 years in office, the White House, the House or Representatives, and now apparently the Senate too, have all flipped from Red to Blue. Gabriel Sterling, the lifelong Republican election administrator from Georgia, has laid the blame for the senate losses in his state squarely at the feet of Donald Trump, and I think it would be difficult for anyone to argue that point. He has now firmly split the party between those who have still retained some level of integrity, and those who have sold their soul to worship at the alter of their lord and master, Donald J. Trump. And then of course there are those who have twisted themselves into pretzels, trying to retain some level of credibility, while also not pissing off his cultish supporters.

The GOP controlled both houses of Congress during his first two years, and yet he accomplished very little except what he did via executive order, and of course stacking the judiciary with conservative judges (admittedly, the later will end up being very consequential for years to come). But no healthcare plan, no infrastructure plan, and no real progress in places like Iran and North Korea, despite his much hyped "love affair" with Kim Jong Un. His trade wars have been mostly unsuccessful, as there were only modest gains in manufacturing (approximately the same rate as during the last four year of the Obama administration) with devastating effects on the ag industry. It's also ironic that conservatives called Obama a socialist, but didn't bat an eye at all the subsidies he gave to ag producers, to try to buy their loyalty as his tariffs were destroying the markets for their products. And of course there was the revolving door of people coming and going in his cabinet and various other staff positions...people who he praised as being the "best and brightest" when he hired them, but then mocked as being idiots and losers once they left the administration. Either he's not a very good judge of people, or else all those people became a lot stupider, just by being that close to Trump during the time they worked for him. I'm reminded of the saying "other than that Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of the play?"

All that being said, being someone who has always considered myself a moderate/independent voter (I bet many people who have read my comments in here, would be surprised by my stances on certain issues), I hope and pray that Biden can resist the pressure he will undoubtedly get from the progressive wing of his party, especially now that the Dems will control both houses (or so it appears....of course the Georgia elections were obviously rigged too :roll: ). Fortunately, I firmly believe that people like Bernie Sanders and AOC are merely a vocal minority. I think the overwhelming majority of Democrats, like Biden himself, are far more moderate than most Republicans would have you believe. I don't think he will even try to push through an extreme left agenda, but even if he does, I think he will got plenty of push back from the majority of Dems in the House and Senate.
Yup, we got one of the only guy on the slate that was not a politician and one of the few people that would stand up for the People of this country and our Constitutional Freedoms.

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Trump is not a politician!?!? What are you even talking about? Everything he does is politically motivated. Towards the end of his term, all he cared about was being re-elected. Since the election. his attention has been entirely focused on trying to figure out some way to overturn the election and stay in office. If that's not being a "politician", then I guess we have very different interpretations of that word.

He has no ideology. He has no values. He doesn't give a rip about the Republican party, which should be clear to even his most ardent supporters, with the way he sabotaged the Georgia senate elections. Even when he went to Georgia, theoretically to campaign for the senate candidates, he spent most of his time talking about how he was the victim of a rigged election, and essentially telling voters that the senate elections would be rigged too. He didn't care if the two GOP candidates won or not. They can't help him now that he's out of office, and he doesn't give a rip about anyone if they can't help him. He just wanted to hold rallies there and whip his adoring supporters into their usual frenzy. That kind of thing is like crack cocaine for him. He just wanted a forum to continue whining about the election being stolen from him. Conservatives always deride liberals for being snowflakes and victims, but no one plays the victim card more than Trump. He takes credit for everything, but accepts responsibility for nothing. If something goes wrong, or if he loses, it's everyone else's fault in some way, not his. He demands total loyalty from people, but he gives zero loyalty in return.
I said Trump "was not a politician", and he is only fighting for the people and the Constitution of this country as he has not been influenced by the news that has shaped your news. As far as your character assassination of him goes, George Soros would be so very proud of you moving in lockstep with the news he and his cohorts own.


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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by ilovethecats » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:34 pm

iaafan wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:24 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:10 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:45 pm
Trump said stand down and standby and now his supporters have shutdown the Capitol.

This summarizes Trump and what he has done to our country.
Wait. Shouldn't we be blaming the morons rioting? :-k

President Trump could be my favorite person in the history of the universe but if he asked me to do something stupid, that could harm other people....I'd just go ahead and NOT do that thing. It's really easy. Look at me! Not rioting!

I hope I'm alive to see the day when we get back to personal accountability for stupid choices. Right now you can do any stupid thing you want, and in your defense blame the parents, schools, video games, actors, entertainers, politicians and presidents. Nothing is ever the fault of the person doing moronic things.
Yes, we should be blaming the people rioting. The person (Trump) that has incited this is also to blame. It's possible to blame both.
Sure, I guess. Like I said, he could tell me to do something stupid, and I wouldn't do it because I"m not stupid. People can make their own choices.

So did he actually tell them to storm the capital?! :shock:



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by iaafan » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:40 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:34 pm
iaafan wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:24 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:10 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:45 pm
Trump said stand down and standby and now his supporters have shutdown the Capitol.

This summarizes Trump and what he has done to our country.
Wait. Shouldn't we be blaming the morons rioting? :-k

President Trump could be my favorite person in the history of the universe but if he asked me to do something stupid, that could harm other people....I'd just go ahead and NOT do that thing. It's really easy. Look at me! Not rioting!

I hope I'm alive to see the day when we get back to personal accountability for stupid choices. Right now you can do any stupid thing you want, and in your defense blame the parents, schools, video games, actors, entertainers, politicians and presidents. Nothing is ever the fault of the person doing moronic things.
Yes, we should be blaming the people rioting. The person (Trump) that has incited this is also to blame. It's possible to blame both.
Sure, I guess. Like I said, he could tell me to do something stupid, and I wouldn't do it because I"m not stupid. People can make their own choices.

So did he actually tell them to storm the capital?! :shock:
That's a really good point. You're right he didn't tell them to storm the capitol. We're good.



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by Cataholic » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:55 pm

catatac wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:51 pm
John K wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:30 am
I find it a bit ironic, that by the end of his term, Trump probably ended up doing more damage to the GOP, than he did to the Dems. During his 4 years in office, the White House, the House or Representatives, and now apparently the Senate too, have all flipped from Red to Blue. Gabriel Sterling, the lifelong Republican election administrator from Georgia, has laid the blame for the senate losses in his state squarely at the feet of Donald Trump, and I think it would be difficult for anyone to argue that point. He has now firmly split the party between those who have still retained some level of integrity, and those who have sold their soul to worship at the alter of their lord and master, Donald J. Trump. And then of course there are those who have twisted themselves into pretzels, trying to retain some level of credibility, while also not pissing off his cultish supporters.

The GOP controlled both houses of Congress during his first two years, and yet he accomplished very little except what he did via executive order, and of course stacking the judiciary with conservative judges (admittedly, the later will end up being very consequential for years to come). But no healthcare plan, no infrastructure plan, and no real progress in places like Iran and North Korea, despite his much hyped "love affair" with Kim Jong Un. His trade wars have been mostly unsuccessful, as there were only modest gains in manufacturing (approximately the same rate as during the last four year of the Obama administration) with devastating effects on the ag industry. It's also ironic that conservatives called Obama a socialist, but didn't bat an eye at all the subsidies he gave to ag producers, to try to buy their loyalty as his tariffs were destroying the markets for their products. And of course there was the revolving door of people coming and going in his cabinet and various other staff positions...people who he praised as being the "best and brightest" when he hired them, but then mocked as being idiots and losers once they left the administration. Either he's not a very good judge of people, or else all those people became a lot stupider, just by being that close to Trump during the time they worked for him. I'm reminded of the saying "other than that Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of the play?"

All that being said, being someone who has always considered myself a moderate/independent voter (I bet many people who have read my comments in here, would be surprised by my stances on certain issues), I hope and pray that Biden can resist the pressure he will undoubtedly get from the progressive wing of his party, especially now that the Dems will control both houses (or so it appears....of course the Georgia elections were obviously rigged too :roll: ). Fortunately, I firmly believe that people like Bernie Sanders and AOC are merely a vocal minority. I think the overwhelming majority of Democrats, like Biden himself, are far more moderate than most Republicans would have you believe. I don't think he will even try to push through an extreme left agenda, but even if he does, I think he will got plenty of push back from the majority of Dems in the House and Senate.
Good post John. I disagree with some of your views but it's all good. I really hope you are correct on the part I underlined above. Honestly, I think a LOT of people on both sides are hoping for this!
I am really disappointed with how Trump handled the Georgia runoff. I think he really let conservatives and Republicans down.

The area you highlighted is where I hope John K is correct, but quite frankly, I think he is way wrong. Kamala Harris was considered one of the most far left liberal politicians in Washington and that is who Joe chose for VP. The far left is very vocal and they just became stronger after the Georgia elections. I hoped Trump sails into the sunset and does not show his face again, but the Democratic Party is far from healthy. Their infighting over issues like defund the police will create more division. I am very worried about the liberal agenda and if John K is a truly a moderate, he should be worried as well.



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by ilovethecats » Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:04 pm

iaafan wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:40 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:34 pm
iaafan wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:24 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:10 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:45 pm
Trump said stand down and standby and now his supporters have shutdown the Capitol.

This summarizes Trump and what he has done to our country.
Wait. Shouldn't we be blaming the morons rioting? :-k

President Trump could be my favorite person in the history of the universe but if he asked me to do something stupid, that could harm other people....I'd just go ahead and NOT do that thing. It's really easy. Look at me! Not rioting!

I hope I'm alive to see the day when we get back to personal accountability for stupid choices. Right now you can do any stupid thing you want, and in your defense blame the parents, schools, video games, actors, entertainers, politicians and presidents. Nothing is ever the fault of the person doing moronic things.
Yes, we should be blaming the people rioting. The person (Trump) that has incited this is also to blame. It's possible to blame both.
Sure, I guess. Like I said, he could tell me to do something stupid, and I wouldn't do it because I"m not stupid. People can make their own choices.

So did he actually tell them to storm the capital?! :shock:
That's a really good point. You're right he didn't tell them to storm the capitol. We're good.
Oh that's good. That would be asinine.

Still looks like a mess though. :(



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by John K » Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:07 pm

codecat wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:33 pm
John K wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:30 pm
codecat wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:52 am
John K wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:30 am
I find it a bit ironic, that by the end of his term, Trump probably ended up doing more damage to the GOP, than he did to the Dems. During his 4 years in office, the White House, the House or Representatives, and now apparently the Senate too, have all flipped from Red to Blue. Gabriel Sterling, the lifelong Republican election administrator from Georgia, has laid the blame for the senate losses in his state squarely at the feet of Donald Trump, and I think it would be difficult for anyone to argue that point. He has now firmly split the party between those who have still retained some level of integrity, and those who have sold their soul to worship at the alter of their lord and master, Donald J. Trump. And then of course there are those who have twisted themselves into pretzels, trying to retain some level of credibility, while also not pissing off his cultish supporters.

The GOP controlled both houses of Congress during his first two years, and yet he accomplished very little except what he did via executive order, and of course stacking the judiciary with conservative judges (admittedly, the later will end up being very consequential for years to come). But no healthcare plan, no infrastructure plan, and no real progress in places like Iran and North Korea, despite his much hyped "love affair" with Kim Jong Un. His trade wars have been mostly unsuccessful, as there were only modest gains in manufacturing (approximately the same rate as during the last four year of the Obama administration) with devastating effects on the ag industry. It's also ironic that conservatives called Obama a socialist, but didn't bat an eye at all the subsidies he gave to ag producers, to try to buy their loyalty as his tariffs were destroying the markets for their products. And of course there was the revolving door of people coming and going in his cabinet and various other staff positions...people who he praised as being the "best and brightest" when he hired them, but then mocked as being idiots and losers once they left the administration. Either he's not a very good judge of people, or else all those people became a lot stupider, just by being that close to Trump during the time they worked for him. I'm reminded of the saying "other than that Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of the play?"

All that being said, being someone who has always considered myself a moderate/independent voter (I bet many people who have read my comments in here, would be surprised by my stances on certain issues), I hope and pray that Biden can resist the pressure he will undoubtedly get from the progressive wing of his party, especially now that the Dems will control both houses (or so it appears....of course the Georgia elections were obviously rigged too :roll: ). Fortunately, I firmly believe that people like Bernie Sanders and AOC are merely a vocal minority. I think the overwhelming majority of Democrats, like Biden himself, are far more moderate than most Republicans would have you believe. I don't think he will even try to push through an extreme left agenda, but even if he does, I think he will got plenty of push back from the majority of Dems in the House and Senate.
Yup, we got one of the only guy on the slate that was not a politician and one of the few people that would stand up for the People of this country and our Constitutional Freedoms.

Stay In The Fight
Trump is not a politician!?!? What are you even talking about? Everything he does is politically motivated. Towards the end of his term, all he cared about was being re-elected. Since the election. his attention has been entirely focused on trying to figure out some way to overturn the election and stay in office. If that's not being a "politician", then I guess we have very different interpretations of that word.

He has no ideology. He has no values. He doesn't give a rip about the Republican party, which should be clear to even his most ardent supporters, with the way he sabotaged the Georgia senate elections. Even when he went to Georgia, theoretically to campaign for the senate candidates, he spent most of his time talking about how he was the victim of a rigged election, and essentially telling voters that the senate elections would be rigged too. He didn't care if the two GOP candidates won or not. They can't help him now that he's out of office, and he doesn't give a rip about anyone if they can't help him. He just wanted to hold rallies there and whip his adoring supporters into their usual frenzy. That kind of thing is like crack cocaine for him. He just wanted a forum to continue whining about the election being stolen from him. Conservatives always deride liberals for being snowflakes and victims, but no one plays the victim card more than Trump. He takes credit for everything, but accepts responsibility for nothing. If something goes wrong, or if he loses, it's everyone else's fault in some way, not his. He demands total loyalty from people, but he gives zero loyalty in return.
I said Trump "was not a politician", and he is only fighting for the people and the Constitution of this country as he has not been influenced by the news that has shaped your news. As far as your character assassination of him goes, George Soros would be so very proud of you moving in lockstep with the news he and his cohorts own.
For starters, it's impossible to assassinate the character of someone who has no character. And talk about marching in lockstep...you really believe he is fighting for the people and the Constitution? You must be a telemarketer's dream. He doesn't care about anyone other than himself. He never has, and he never will.



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Re: GOP: You wanted Trump...you got him!!

Post by codecat » Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:18 pm

John K wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:07 pm
codecat wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:33 pm
John K wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:30 pm
codecat wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:52 am
John K wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:30 am
I find it a bit ironic, that by the end of his term, Trump probably ended up doing more damage to the GOP, than he did to the Dems. During his 4 years in office, the White House, the House or Representatives, and now apparently the Senate too, have all flipped from Red to Blue. Gabriel Sterling, the lifelong Republican election administrator from Georgia, has laid the blame for the senate losses in his state squarely at the feet of Donald Trump, and I think it would be difficult for anyone to argue that point. He has now firmly split the party between those who have still retained some level of integrity, and those who have sold their soul to worship at the alter of their lord and master, Donald J. Trump. And then of course there are those who have twisted themselves into pretzels, trying to retain some level of credibility, while also not pissing off his cultish supporters.

The GOP controlled both houses of Congress during his first two years, and yet he accomplished very little except what he did via executive order, and of course stacking the judiciary with conservative judges (admittedly, the later will end up being very consequential for years to come). But no healthcare plan, no infrastructure plan, and no real progress in places like Iran and North Korea, despite his much hyped "love affair" with Kim Jong Un. His trade wars have been mostly unsuccessful, as there were only modest gains in manufacturing (approximately the same rate as during the last four year of the Obama administration) with devastating effects on the ag industry. It's also ironic that conservatives called Obama a socialist, but didn't bat an eye at all the subsidies he gave to ag producers, to try to buy their loyalty as his tariffs were destroying the markets for their products. And of course there was the revolving door of people coming and going in his cabinet and various other staff positions...people who he praised as being the "best and brightest" when he hired them, but then mocked as being idiots and losers once they left the administration. Either he's not a very good judge of people, or else all those people became a lot stupider, just by being that close to Trump during the time they worked for him. I'm reminded of the saying "other than that Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of the play?"

All that being said, being someone who has always considered myself a moderate/independent voter (I bet many people who have read my comments in here, would be surprised by my stances on certain issues), I hope and pray that Biden can resist the pressure he will undoubtedly get from the progressive wing of his party, especially now that the Dems will control both houses (or so it appears....of course the Georgia elections were obviously rigged too :roll: ). Fortunately, I firmly believe that people like Bernie Sanders and AOC are merely a vocal minority. I think the overwhelming majority of Democrats, like Biden himself, are far more moderate than most Republicans would have you believe. I don't think he will even try to push through an extreme left agenda, but even if he does, I think he will got plenty of push back from the majority of Dems in the House and Senate.
Yup, we got one of the only guy on the slate that was not a politician and one of the few people that would stand up for the People of this country and our Constitutional Freedoms.

Stay In The Fight
Trump is not a politician!?!? What are you even talking about? Everything he does is politically motivated. Towards the end of his term, all he cared about was being re-elected. Since the election. his attention has been entirely focused on trying to figure out some way to overturn the election and stay in office. If that's not being a "politician", then I guess we have very different interpretations of that word.

He has no ideology. He has no values. He doesn't give a rip about the Republican party, which should be clear to even his most ardent supporters, with the way he sabotaged the Georgia senate elections. Even when he went to Georgia, theoretically to campaign for the senate candidates, he spent most of his time talking about how he was the victim of a rigged election, and essentially telling voters that the senate elections would be rigged too. He didn't care if the two GOP candidates won or not. They can't help him now that he's out of office, and he doesn't give a rip about anyone if they can't help him. He just wanted to hold rallies there and whip his adoring supporters into their usual frenzy. That kind of thing is like crack cocaine for him. He just wanted a forum to continue whining about the election being stolen from him. Conservatives always deride liberals for being snowflakes and victims, but no one plays the victim card more than Trump. He takes credit for everything, but accepts responsibility for nothing. If something goes wrong, or if he loses, it's everyone else's fault in some way, not his. He demands total loyalty from people, but he gives zero loyalty in return.
I said Trump "was not a politician", and he is only fighting for the people and the Constitution of this country as he has not been influenced by the news that has shaped your news. As far as your character assassination of him goes, George Soros would be so very proud of you moving in lockstep with the news he and his cohorts own.
For starters, it's impossible to assassinate the character of someone who has no character. And talk about marching in lockstep...you really believe he is fighting for the people and the Constitution? You must be a telemarketer's dream. He doesn't care about anyone other than himself. He never has, and he never will.
I guess your choice of the ultra rich of the world (i.e. those that have been meeting for years as the World Economic Forum), who own your press, buy politicians (unlike Trump) off, spend untold millions of dollars behind the scenes to election officials, and plan a global economy that they can control, because there will no longer be a Freedom of Enterprise (which is the only sound system advocated by the our founders in the Federalist Papers and Constitutional system) speaks to the high moral superiority which you and your press have advocate for years.


Socialism - the financial model historically used to control the masses! It has noting to do with
freedom, and seriously erodes the primary constitutional freedom of free enterprise.

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