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Re: VOTE!

Post by TomCat88 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:54 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_R ... l_campaign

Here’s that link grizgirl posted. It didn’t work. Long list. I’m sure some Democrats didn’t vote for Biden, I don’t see a list anywhere. Please post if you see one. Be an interesting comparison.


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Re: VOTE!

Post by Joe Bobcat » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:06 am

TomCat88 wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:54 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_R ... l_campaign

Here’s that link grizgirl posted. It didn’t work. Long list. I’m sure some Democrats didn’t vote for Biden, I don’t see a list anywhere. Please post if you see one. Be an interesting comparison.
This is one issue that has really intrigued me in this election as I posted in another thread back at the beginning of October.
Re: Has this ever happened before?
Post by Joe Bobcat » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:03 pm

In keeping with the thread title has there ever been so many high profile members of a political party that have been so adamantly and openly opposed to the presidential candidate from their party as there are National and state republicans against Trump?
On the same line have there ever been so many former administration members adamantly and openly opposed to their former boss/administration?

I've now voted in 13 presidential elections and this is probably the strangest phenomenon I can recall.


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Re: VOTE!

Post by The Butcher » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:13 am

Not that this is surprising, but the Trump Administration continues their assault on our democracy. How much damage can Trump do over the next two months?

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-do ... 55e7af7031



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Re: VOTE!

Post by Cataholic » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:52 am

We all know Trump can alienate people. He ran on a platform of getting rid of the swamp in DC. Of course he was going to piss off people from his own party.

In the meantime, the Democratic Party is also dealing with tremendous internal strife. The main issue has been how liberal policies have alienated some of their party. Issues like defund the police have been huge areas of disagreement.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aocs-n ... e-more.amp
House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., said in a caucus call last week that if “we are going to run on 'Medicare-for-all,' defund the police, socialized medicine, we're not going to win," his office confirmed to Fox News.

One of those elected last week in Ocasio-Cortez’s home state is Congressman-elect Mondaire Jones, D-N.Y. Along with "Medicare-for-all" and the Green New Deal, he has backed calls to partially defund police departments, along with the abolition of cash bail.

“Congress must cease all funding that militarizes police forces, repeal the 1994 Crime Bill that accelerated mass incarceration, and abolish cash bail, which condemns poor people to pretrial detention while more affluent people await trial from the comfort of their homes,” he wrote in an article in June.



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Re: VOTE!

Post by Cataholic » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:59 am

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin ... ?_amp=true
Ryan lays the blame on a brand that voters in Middle America do not trust to have their back and for him, which especially hurts in a district legendary for its support from working-class Democrats.

“Our brand is not good," he said. "We have 70 million people who either hate us or are afraid of us or believe there is this vast spread of socialism in our party. It is why we lost so many seats in the House, or some seats were a lot closer than we wanted."



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Re: VOTE!

Post by Cataholic » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:02 am

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-jo ... rt-packing
Senator Joe Manchin III, D-W.Va., said that if Democrats are able to win control of the Senate, he will not back his party's calls to pack the Supreme Court, eliminate the filibuster rule nor any other "crazy stuff" they may intend to put forward under a Biden presidency.



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Re: VOTE!

Post by Cataholic » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:11 am

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-pr ... l-of-house
House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., said AOC “runs” the Democratic sect of the House, during an interview with Axios on HBO.

“She runs the floor,” McCarthy said. “That wing of the party, the socialist wing of the party, they are the new power of the Democratic Party.

McCarthy went on to say that the power of the progressives outweighed that of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., alleging that legislation could not be passed unless AOC “agreed with it.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/slogan ... e-movement
Democrats struggled in the elections "because we were not able to discipline ourselves according to voter sentiment," Clyburn told Axios in an interview that aired Monday night.

"We keep making that mistake. This foolishness about you got to be this progressive or that progressive," he added.

"That phrase, 'defund the police,' cost [Democratic Senate candidate] Jaime Harrison tremendously."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-hi ... rities.amp
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., pushed back on Democratic leadership Wednesday, after they questioned whether or not the progressive wave, which has caught widespread attention, is actually beneficial to the party or to blame for the recent loses in the U.S. House of Representatives.

House Democratic Caucus Chair Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., claimed the “socialist” agenda pushed by progressive House members, including Ocasio-Cortez, has hurt the party and could be to blame for the seats lost in House races last week.

But Ocasio-Cortez has pushed back on this sentiment and questioned whether this mindset is actually the reason the House lost seats.

“Pretty astounding that some Dems don’t believe it’s possible to govern, be politically popular, and command formidable bully pulpits at the same time, but it actually explains a lot about how we got here,” the first-term New York representative, who won reelection last week, said Wednesday.



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Re: VOTE!

Post by Cataholic » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:21 am

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi ... tion-house
"When Democratic leaders make unforced errors like showing off two sub-zero freezers full of ice cream on national television or cozy up with Wall Street executives and corporate lobbyists while Trump tells voters we are the party of the swamp, it is not surprising that we lose," reads the memo, which was sent by groups including Justice Democrats and the Sunrise Movement.

"The economy was voters' top concern in this election," the memo said. "We need a new generation of leadership grounded in a multiracial, working class experience and background."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/warren ... tform-ever
After the election, however, other Democrats including moderate Reps. Abigail Spanberger of Virginia and Marc Veasy and Vicente Gonzalez, both of Texas, joined others in complaining about progressive colleagues’ calls to defund law enforcement.

"We lost races we shouldn’t have lost," Spanberger said last week during a call with the House Democratic Caucus. "'Defund the police' almost cost me my race because of an attack ad. Don’t say ‘socialism’ ever again. We need to get back to basics.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/progre ... e-friendly
Justice Democrats executive director Alexandra Rojas blasted Biden’s appointments of Richmond, D-La., as senior adviser in the White House Office of Public Engagement, and of Ricchetti as counselor to the president, claiming they were “corporate-friendly insiders.”

“If Joe Biden continues making corporate-friendly appointments to his White House, he will risk quickly fracturing the hard-earned goodwill his team built with progressives to defeat Donald Trump,” Rojas said. “A Biden administration dominated by corporate-friendly insiders like Steve Ricchetti and Cedric Richmond will not help the President-elect usher in the most progressive Democratic administration in generations.”



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Re: VOTE!

Post by iaafan » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:28 am

You comment on everyone else’s links, yet you almost exclusively use Fox.

Disagreement isn’t necessarily bad. It eliminates mob mentality, forces people to think critically and support your claims. When one person says something is rigged with no evidence and everyone agrees I’d say that’s a much worse problem.



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Re: VOTE!

Post by Cataholic » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:46 pm

iaafan wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:28 am
You comment on everyone else’s links, yet you almost exclusively use Fox.

Disagreement isn’t necessarily bad. It eliminates mob mentality, forces people to think critically and support your claims. When one person says something is rigged with no evidence and everyone agrees I’d say that’s a much worse problem.
Unfortunately, a lot of the mainstream media won’t cover anything the least bit critical of the Democrats. I think Fox News does a great job providing information from both sides. The opinion shows are definitely slanted to the right, but it is more moderate than you might think. Try watching The Five or Outnumbered. I would be curious to see what you think.

Also, I try not to post opinion pieces. There is a difference between editorial opinion and reporting quotes. Did you see how many of the articles I posted have actual quotes from the main people involved? (AOC, Clyburn, Manchin, etc.)

I think there is a big difference between dissent and different opinions. There is even talk that Pelosi could lose her position to a more moderate Dem.

I do find it interesting that you feel the dissention in the Democrats is healthy while Trump dissenters are a clear sign of upheaval.



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Re: VOTE!

Post by iaafan » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:35 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:46 pm
iaafan wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:28 am
You comment on everyone else’s links, yet you almost exclusively use Fox.

Disagreement isn’t necessarily bad. It eliminates mob mentality, forces people to think critically and support your claims. When one person says something is rigged with no evidence and everyone agrees I’d say that’s a much worse problem.
Unfortunately, a lot of the mainstream media won’t cover anything the least bit critical of the Democrats. I think Fox News does a great job providing information from both sides. The opinion shows are definitely slanted to the right, but it is more moderate than you might think. Try watching The Five or Outnumbered. I would be curious to see what you think.

Also, I try not to post opinion pieces. There is a difference between editorial opinion and reporting quotes. Did you see how many of the articles I posted have actual quotes from the main people involved? (AOC, Clyburn, Manchin, etc.)

I think there is a big difference between dissent and different opinions. There is even talk that Pelosi could lose her position to a more moderate Dem.

I do find it interesting that you feel the dissention in the Democrats is healthy while Trump dissenters are a clear sign of upheaval.
I just watched Fox’s Kristen Fisher report on Giuliani press conference and it’s almost identical to the one on CNN. Pointing out all the lack of evidence and untruth. So give Fox credit for that.



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Re: VOTE!

Post by TomCat88 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:28 pm

iaafan wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:35 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:46 pm
iaafan wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:28 am
You comment on everyone else’s links, yet you almost exclusively use Fox.

Disagreement isn’t necessarily bad. It eliminates mob mentality, forces people to think critically and support your claims. When one person says something is rigged with no evidence and everyone agrees I’d say that’s a much worse problem.
Unfortunately, a lot of the mainstream media won’t cover anything the least bit critical of the Democrats. I think Fox News does a great job providing information from both sides. The opinion shows are definitely slanted to the right, but it is more moderate than you might think. Try watching The Five or Outnumbered. I would be curious to see what you think.

Also, I try not to post opinion pieces. There is a difference between editorial opinion and reporting quotes. Did you see how many of the articles I posted have actual quotes from the main people involved? (AOC, Clyburn, Manchin, etc.)

I think there is a big difference between dissent and different opinions. There is even talk that Pelosi could lose her position to a more moderate Dem.

I do find it interesting that you feel the dissention in the Democrats is healthy while Trump dissenters are a clear sign of upheaval.
I just watched Fox’s Kristen Fisher report on Giuliani press conference and it’s almost identical to the one on CNN. Pointing out all the lack of evidence and untruth. So give Fox credit for that.
From ‘Fox and Friends’ to about 5:00 Fox is just like ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR. Just straight reporting, very little commentary.


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Re: VOTE!

Post by TomCat88 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:32 pm

The Associated Press just projected Biden the winner of Georgia. He needs 390,000 to reach 80 million and 24,000 to go up by 6 million. Needs 0.1 to go up by 4.0%.


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Post by wbtfg » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:05 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:32 pm
The Associated Press just projected Biden the winner of Georgia. He needs 390,000 to reach 80 million and 24,000 to go up by 6 million. Needs 0.1 to go up by 4.0%.
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Post by profisme » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:56 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:05 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:32 pm
The Associated Press just projected Biden the winner of Georgia. He needs 390,000 to reach 80 million and 24,000 to go up by 6 million. Needs 0.1 to go up by 4.0%.
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Re: VOTE!

Post by The Butcher » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:14 am

Trump has reached the point of trying ANYTHING to stay in the White House. I am very surprised that more people are not appalled by this blatant attempt to undermine our election results.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/us/p ... ction.html



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Re: VOTE!

Post by John K » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:02 pm

The Butcher wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:14 am
Trump has reached the point of trying ANYTHING to stay in the White House. I am very surprised that more people are not appalled by this blatant attempt to undermine our election results.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/us/p ... ction.html
No kidding. I don't care how staunch a conservative/Republican/Trump fan you might be...everyone should be appalled by this. If a Dem incumbent president was pulling this crap, conservative's heads would be exploding. It's time for Trump, for maybe the first time in his miserable, pathetic, wretched life, to do the right thing and let go of this. Cataholic accuses people of having TDS, and can't understand why so many people have such hatred for him. Well, crap like this is the reason. He is a despicable human being. Even if you support his policies 100%, I don't really know how you can dispute that. He has now proven beyond any doubt (although anyone who's been paying attention should have realized this long ago) that he is completely narcissistic, and doesn't give a crap about the USA, or his loyal followers, or his fellow Republicans in the House and Senate. He has never cared about anyone or anything, except Donald J. Trump. In an earlier post, Cataholic referred to part of his appeal being that his a disrupter, and that people wanted him to drain the swamp. The fact is, he's actually made it swampier than ever. A hand grenade disrupts things too, but there's a reason people don't toss hand grenades around indiscriminately. Sometimes disruption can be a good thing. Other times it just causes damage and creates chaos.



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Re: VOTE!

Post by Cataholic » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:10 pm

John K wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:02 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:14 am
Trump has reached the point of trying ANYTHING to stay in the White House. I am very surprised that more people are not appalled by this blatant attempt to undermine our election results.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/us/p ... ction.html
No kidding. I don't care how staunch a conservative/Republican/Trump fan you might be...everyone should be appalled by this. If a Dem incumbent president was pulling this crap, conservative's heads would be exploding. It's time for Trump, for maybe the first time in his miserable, pathetic, wretched life, to do the right thing and let go of this. Cataholic accuses people of having TDS, and can't understand why so many people have such hatred for him. Well, crap like this is the reason. He is a despicable human being. Even if you support his policies 100%, I don't really know how you can dispute that. He has now proven beyond any doubt (although anyone who's been paying attention should have realized this long ago) that he is completely narcissistic, and doesn't give a crap about the USA, or his loyal followers, or his fellow Republicans in the House and Senate. He has never cared about anyone or anything, except Donald J. Trump. In an earlier post, Cataholic referred to part of his appeal being that his a disrupter, and that people wanted him to drain the swamp. The fact is, he's actually made it swampier than ever. A hand grenade disrupts things too, but there's a reason people don't toss hand grenades around indiscriminately. Sometimes disruption can be a good thing. Other times it just causes damage and creates chaos.
I have stated multiple times that Trump is very flawed person and the Republicans have multiple other members that would be much better options for President. What gets me is the blanket categorization that “Republicans are racist and awful people” coming from the left. It also bothers me with the lack of accountability coming from the left. Just look at your post above regarding drain the swamp. How much of the swamp culture is a result of Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, AOC, Kamala and other prominent members of the Democratic Party? Biden could be exhibit number one being a 47 year politician with multiple changes in his positions based on how it would affect him politically.



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Post by CelticCat » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:30 pm

The left: The right is racist!
The right: The left hates America!

Rinse and repeat.


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Post by BozoneCat » Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:38 pm

John K wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:02 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:14 am
Trump has reached the point of trying ANYTHING to stay in the White House. I am very surprised that more people are not appalled by this blatant attempt to undermine our election results.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/us/p ... ction.html
No kidding. I don't care how staunch a conservative/Republican/Trump fan you might be...everyone should be appalled by this. If a Dem incumbent president was pulling this crap, conservative's heads would be exploding. It's time for Trump, for maybe the first time in his miserable, pathetic, wretched life, to do the right thing and let go of this. Cataholic accuses people of having TDS, and can't understand why so many people have such hatred for him. Well, crap like this is the reason. He is a despicable human being. Even if you support his policies 100%, I don't really know how you can dispute that. He has now proven beyond any doubt (although anyone who's been paying attention should have realized this long ago) that he is completely narcissistic, and doesn't give a crap about the USA, or his loyal followers, or his fellow Republicans in the House and Senate. He has never cared about anyone or anything, except Donald J. Trump. In an earlier post, Cataholic referred to part of his appeal being that his a disrupter, and that people wanted him to drain the swamp. The fact is, he's actually made it swampier than ever. A hand grenade disrupts things too, but there's a reason people don't toss hand grenades around indiscriminately. Sometimes disruption can be a good thing. Other times it just causes damage and creates chaos.
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