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Re: BLM - good ideas?

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Just some folks prepping for the hordes of trick-or-treaters knocking on their door!

That's so awesome that they brought re-usable bags and duffles to steal with instead of using those damned disposable plastic shopping sacks that are the scourge of the earth. Environmental consciousness is important no matter what you are doing. #-o


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Re: BLM - good ideas?

Post by RickRund » Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:43 pm

Everyone has been asking for peaceful protests so here we go...

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Re: BLM - good ideas?

Post by RickRund » Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:32 pm

When things get stressful for blm they go shopping at Walmart.

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Re: BLM - good ideas?

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Re: BLM - good ideas?

Post by Rich K » Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:55 am

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It's been a month since the OP asked for good ideas that have come from the BLM. The best idea is that BLM would be a great way to help educate students in predominately black areas. That would be wonderful and a fantastic idea that I would wholeheartedly endorse. Bravo!

However, that is not what BLM is or does. Wishing or imagining that BLM is a useful organization is just that. Wishful thinking.

You know what they say, wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which fills up first. BLM is crap.
Come on Rich. I don’t think that is necessarily true. The BLM organization has looked like a radical group at times by justifying riots and looting as reparations. However, the BLM organization and the BLM movement should be differentiated. The BLM movement is legitimate as many good people are simply seeking racial equality. That should be supported. The BLM movement needs some good leadership that can elaborate their challenges and work on solutions for implementation.
What I wrote is 100% accurate. There is no significant separation of the BLM movement and the BLM organization. The pretend difference between what the organization is and what the movement does exists only in the minds of BLM apologists.

I appreciate your attitude towards what would be a worthwhile organization/movement. However, the idea that BLM would be a good organization if only they had good leaders sounds like how defenders of socialism defend socialism by proclaiming that it really hasn't been tried the way they want it enacted and if only the right leaders were put in place it would work.

The fallibility of man is one of the reasons why our founders wrote a Constitution and that we are a government of laws not men. Laws need to be enforced and these anti-American provocateurs must be held accountable. The immoral license to riot, loot, and generally break laws that has been given to this particular group must be revoked by whatever means necessary.


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Re: BLM - good ideas?

Post by Cataholic » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:32 am

Rich K wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:55 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:24 am
Rich K wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:03 am
It's been a month since the OP asked for good ideas that have come from the BLM. The best idea is that BLM would be a great way to help educate students in predominately black areas. That would be wonderful and a fantastic idea that I would wholeheartedly endorse. Bravo!

However, that is not what BLM is or does. Wishing or imagining that BLM is a useful organization is just that. Wishful thinking.

You know what they say, wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which fills up first. BLM is crap.
Come on Rich. I don’t think that is necessarily true. The BLM organization has looked like a radical group at times by justifying riots and looting as reparations. However, the BLM organization and the BLM movement should be differentiated. The BLM movement is legitimate as many good people are simply seeking racial equality. That should be supported. The BLM movement needs some good leadership that can elaborate their challenges and work on solutions for implementation.
What I wrote is 100% accurate. There is no significant separation of the BLM movement and the BLM organization. The pretend difference between what the organization is and what the movement does exists only in the minds of BLM apologists.

I appreciate your attitude towards what would be a worthwhile organization/movement. However, the idea that BLM would be a good organization if only they had good leaders sounds like how defenders of socialism defend socialism by proclaiming that it really hasn't been tried the way they want it enacted and if only the right leaders were put in place it would work.

The fallibility of man is one of the reasons why our founders wrote a Constitution and that we are a government of laws not men. Laws need to be enforced and these anti-American provocateurs must be held accountable. The immoral license to riot, loot, and generally break laws that has been given to this particular group must be revoked by whatever means necessary.
I can appreciate your interpretation of the constitution and how rioters need to be held accountable. However, I believe that a large portion of BLM supporters do not support rioting or looting. For example, my kids are college and high school age. They are supportive of the BLM concept, but they are not supportive of the rioting. They understand that it hurts the BLM cause.

Some leaders of various BLM organizations have tried to defend some of these riots and looting. Those “leaders” are hurting their organizations. The BLM cause is recognized nationally and effective leadership could have huge impacts across the country. I am confident that every race, religion or party could support BLM if they had effective leadership that conveyed goals that made sense.



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Re: BLM - good ideas?

Post by Rich K » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:06 am

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Re: BLM - good ideas?

Post by Cataholic » Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:07 pm

Rich K wrote:
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By their fruits ye shall know them...

Hi Rich. I don’t want to berate the point, but do you really believe these are the stereotypical BLM followers? I am guessing these people are mentally challenged trouble makers with liberal ideas that represent a minimal portion of the BLM movement (and minimal portion of liberals in general). I am guessing that the people who support the BLM movement look a lot more like the 2,000 people who showed up peacefully for the BLM gathering in Bozeman.

The violence is wrong. The liberal leadership in Portland has handled it awfully. But it does not mean that BLM isn’t worthwhile and has some good ideas. Like I said earlier, BLM needs some good leadership. BLM needs to denounce violence and rioting. They need to focus on solutions.



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Re: BLM - good ideas?

Post by Rich K » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:12 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:07 pm
Rich K wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:06 am
By their fruits ye shall know them...

Hi Rich. I don’t want to berate the point, but do you really believe these are the stereotypical BLM followers? I am guessing these people are mentally challenged trouble makers with liberal ideas that represent a minimal portion of the BLM movement (and minimal portion of liberals in general). I am guessing that the people who support the BLM movement look a lot more like the 2,000 people who showed up peacefully for the BLM gathering in Bozeman.

The violence is wrong. The liberal leadership in Portland has handled it awfully. But it does not mean that BLM isn’t worthwhile and has some good ideas. Like I said earlier, BLM needs some good leadership. BLM needs to denounce violence and rioting. They need to focus on solutions.
I actually think the majority of the people that showed up at a rally in Bozeman or Cody (yes we had one) were more like you. That is, you believe in the concept of "black lives matter" which on it's face is true. Black lives matter. No rational soul is against that. So by showing up and clapping along your virtue is signaled for all to see. This happens to large corporations too but there clapping along is more like hundreds of thousands of dollars, like the company I am employed by. $500,000 was the "contribution". Indeed my employer is virtuous. It's called blackmail in other parts of society.

However, you have been challenged by the OP to bring forth a good idea that they have generated. I am calling your hand. Show me the good ideas.

You are like a little girl who is told her birthday present is in a room. When she opens the door and finds it full of nothing but poop she is overjoyed, and begins to dive into it! When asked why she is happy when her birthday present is nothing but crap she explains "With all this crap, there has to be a pony in here somewhere!"


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Re: BLM - good ideas?

Post by RickRund » Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:29 pm

Denounce marxism and denounce any and all the destructive behavior. Denounce the disruption to daily lives. The right to protest is covered by our Constitution but it has limits.



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Re: BLM - good ideas?

Post by The Butcher » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:11 am

Rich honest question; how do you feel about Trump supporters blocking traffic and shutting down highways? This was a tactic BLM had used in the past (which I personally condemned on this site). Do you hold Trump supporters to the same standard?



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Re: BLM - good ideas?

Post by Cataholic » Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:04 pm

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Rich honest question; how do you feel about Trump supporters blocking traffic and shutting down highways? This was a tactic BLM had used in the past (which I personally condemned on this site). Do you hold Trump supporters to the same standard?
Rich didn’t answer but I will. I certainly don’t condone any riots or blocking traffic regardless of whether it is a Trump supporter or BLM. Has Trump supporters rioting and stopping traffic been a regular occurrence?



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Post by arvcat2 » Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:37 am

Cataholic wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:04 pm
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Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:11 am
Rich honest question; how do you feel about Trump supporters blocking traffic and shutting down highways? This was a tactic BLM had used in the past (which I personally condemned on this site). Do you hold Trump supporters to the same standard?
Rich didn’t answer but I will. I certainly don’t condone any riots or blocking traffic regardless of whether it is a Trump supporter or BLM. Has Trump supporters rioting and stopping traffic been a regular occurrence?
I'll answer for Rich too. Excepting the Antifa/BLM rioters, Harris supporters and their car parades are like this:
https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-car-p ... ed-highway



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Re: BLM - good ideas?

Post by The Butcher » Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:57 am

Cataholic wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:04 pm
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Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:11 am
Rich honest question; how do you feel about Trump supporters blocking traffic and shutting down highways? This was a tactic BLM had used in the past (which I personally condemned on this site). Do you hold Trump supporters to the same standard?
Rich didn’t answer but I will. I certainly don’t condone any riots or blocking traffic regardless of whether it is a Trump supporter or BLM. Has Trump supporters rioting and stopping traffic been a regular occurrence?
Blocking traffic has been reported in NY, NJ and TX, so it isn't an isolated issue.

The FBI's warning about militias after the election are pretty worrisome too.
https://katu.com/news/local/oregon-amon ... port-finds



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Post by The Butcher » Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:38 am

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This is a problem.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/election-day ... hutdown-dc
I would be more worried about a FBI warning than a zoom meeting. :wink:



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Post by Mtcatfan » Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:54 am

You are absolutely right Butcher. Once Biden wins and those Militias begin starting fires, overturning cars, breaking windows and looting stores, our country is in a lot of trouble. Fortunately they're boarding things up in preparation of the Militias. :wink:



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