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Re: Has this ever happened before?

Post by Cataholic » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:59 pm

Apparently the Dems Covid Relief bill isn’t just for Covid. It also includes the minimum wage increase to $15 and the pork below.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/25/rep-espai ... nding/amp/
New York Democratic Rep. Adriano Espaillat on Thursday said he’s “not comfortable” with “embarrassing” spending unrelated to the COVID-19 pandemic in President Biden’s $1.9 trillion relief bill, which is expected to pass the House Friday.

Espaillat admitted his misgivings when pressed by CNN host Poppy Harlow on $1.5 million for the Seaway International Bridge between Massena, New York, and Canada, and $100 million toward construction of an underground rail line linking House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco district and Silicon Valley.

“If this package was clearly about making sure that schools open, why is it that less than 5 percent of all spending for schools will only be spent this year?” said the top House Budget Committee Republican, Rep. Jason Smith of Missouri, at a Wednesday press conference.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that 95 percent of the bill’s $129 billion for K-12 schools will be spent in 2022-2028, in part because much of the already appropriated $113 billion hasn’t been spent.

California, which recently reported a $10 billion budget surplus, is expected to receive more than $40 billion via the bill, which Republican leaders including McCarthy say is unneeded.

Republican strategist Andy Surabian told The Post that “it is a disgrace that Democrats are trying to push through a bill where 90 percent of the spending doesn’t actually have anything to do with COVID. It is an absolute a slap in the face to everyone who has actually been killed, who have had their businesses destroyed by these lockdowns.”



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Re: Has this ever happened before?

Post by RickRund » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:35 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:59 pm
Apparently the Dems Covid Relief bill isn’t just for Covid. It also includes the minimum wage increase to $15 and the pork below.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/25/rep-espai ... nding/amp/
New York Democratic Rep. Adriano Espaillat on Thursday said he’s “not comfortable” with “embarrassing” spending unrelated to the COVID-19 pandemic in President Biden’s $1.9 trillion relief bill, which is expected to pass the House Friday.

Espaillat admitted his misgivings when pressed by CNN host Poppy Harlow on $1.5 million for the Seaway International Bridge between Massena, New York, and Canada, and $100 million toward construction of an underground rail line linking House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco district and Silicon Valley.

“If this package was clearly about making sure that schools open, why is it that less than 5 percent of all spending for schools will only be spent this year?” said the top House Budget Committee Republican, Rep. Jason Smith of Missouri, at a Wednesday press conference.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that 95 percent of the bill’s $129 billion for K-12 schools will be spent in 2022-2028, in part because much of the already appropriated $113 billion hasn’t been spent.

California, which recently reported a $10 billion budget surplus, is expected to receive more than $40 billion via the bill, which Republican leaders including McCarthy say is unneeded.

Republican strategist Andy Surabian told The Post that “it is a disgrace that Democrats are trying to push through a bill where 90 percent of the spending doesn’t actually have anything to do with COVID. It is an absolute a slap in the face to everyone who has actually been killed, who have had their businesses destroyed by these lockdowns.”
Looks like the $15 is out, or was at the last news piece. There may be 25% that actually are pandemic related. Good old chuck schumer is saying they are debating another stimulus as soon as this one is passed...
$1,000,000,000 to advance "racial justice" in farming.
$129,000,000,000 to schools whether they open or not.
$$35,000,000,000 to obamacare subsidies.
$500,000,000 for "arts, humanities and libraries".
And then there is the billions to other countries.

Priorities!!!



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Re: Has this ever happened before?

Post by coachouert » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:56 am

RickRund wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:35 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:59 pm
Apparently the Dems Covid Relief bill isn’t just for Covid. It also includes the minimum wage increase to $15 and the pork below.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/25/rep-espai ... nding/amp/
New York Democratic Rep. Adriano Espaillat on Thursday said he’s “not comfortable” with “embarrassing” spending unrelated to the COVID-19 pandemic in President Biden’s $1.9 trillion relief bill, which is expected to pass the House Friday.

Espaillat admitted his misgivings when pressed by CNN host Poppy Harlow on $1.5 million for the Seaway International Bridge between Massena, New York, and Canada, and $100 million toward construction of an underground rail line linking House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco district and Silicon Valley.

“If this package was clearly about making sure that schools open, why is it that less than 5 percent of all spending for schools will only be spent this year?” said the top House Budget Committee Republican, Rep. Jason Smith of Missouri, at a Wednesday press conference.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that 95 percent of the bill’s $129 billion for K-12 schools will be spent in 2022-2028, in part because much of the already appropriated $113 billion hasn’t been spent.

California, which recently reported a $10 billion budget surplus, is expected to receive more than $40 billion via the bill, which Republican leaders including McCarthy say is unneeded.

Republican strategist Andy Surabian told The Post that “it is a disgrace that Democrats are trying to push through a bill where 90 percent of the spending doesn’t actually have anything to do with COVID. It is an absolute a slap in the face to everyone who has actually been killed, who have had their businesses destroyed by these lockdowns.”
Looks like the $15 is out, or was at the last news piece. There may be 25% that actually are pandemic related. Good old chuck schumer is saying they are debating another stimulus as soon as this one is passed...
$1,000,000,000 to advance "racial justice" in farming.
$129,000,000,000 to schools whether they open or not.
$$35,000,000,000 to obamacare subsidies.
$500,000,000 for "arts, humanities and libraries".
And then there is the billions to other countries.

Priorities!!!
What should be the priorities in your eyes?


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Re: Has this ever happened before?

Post by coachouert » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:03 am

Cataholic wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:59 pm
Apparently the Dems Covid Relief bill isn’t just for Covid. It also includes the minimum wage increase to $15 and the pork below.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/25/rep-espai ... nding/amp/
New York Democratic Rep. Adriano Espaillat on Thursday said he’s “not comfortable” with “embarrassing” spending unrelated to the COVID-19 pandemic in President Biden’s $1.9 trillion relief bill, which is expected to pass the House Friday.

Espaillat admitted his misgivings when pressed by CNN host Poppy Harlow on $1.5 million for the Seaway International Bridge between Massena, New York, and Canada, and $100 million toward construction of an underground rail line linking House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco district and Silicon Valley.

“If this package was clearly about making sure that schools open, why is it that less than 5 percent of all spending for schools will only be spent this year?” said the top House Budget Committee Republican, Rep. Jason Smith of Missouri, at a Wednesday press conference.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that 95 percent of the bill’s $129 billion for K-12 schools will be spent in 2022-2028, in part because much of the already appropriated $113 billion hasn’t been spent.

California, which recently reported a $10 billion budget surplus, is expected to receive more than $40 billion via the bill, which Republican leaders including McCarthy say is unneeded.

Republican strategist Andy Surabian told The Post that “it is a disgrace that Democrats are trying to push through a bill where 90 percent of the spending doesn’t actually have anything to do with COVID. It is an absolute a slap in the face to everyone who has actually been killed, who have had their businesses destroyed by these lockdowns.”
Let's not act like this is the first time a party has added extra pork into a bill but I will agree that it's frustrating by all sides and all politicians. It drives me absolutely nuts about bills. In my opinion, it is inappropriate to add extras into something and try to pass it. If you have a bill on education, make it a bill on education, not adding in on page 428 something about adding funding to a military line item. If you have a bill on military funding, then don't add something in at the very end about providing funds to something about fracking. If you have a bill on COVID relief, then don't add in something about increasing the national minimum wage. It's partly laziness on the work of politicians that don't/won't read a ton of bills and partly slimy on the work of politicians to try and slide crap in.


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Re: Has this ever happened before?

Post by iaafan » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:38 am

coachouert wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:03 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:59 pm
Apparently the Dems Covid Relief bill isn’t just for Covid. It also includes the minimum wage increase to $15 and the pork below.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/25/rep-espai ... nding/amp/
New York Democratic Rep. Adriano Espaillat on Thursday said he’s “not comfortable” with “embarrassing” spending unrelated to the COVID-19 pandemic in President Biden’s $1.9 trillion relief bill, which is expected to pass the House Friday.

Espaillat admitted his misgivings when pressed by CNN host Poppy Harlow on $1.5 million for the Seaway International Bridge between Massena, New York, and Canada, and $100 million toward construction of an underground rail line linking House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco district and Silicon Valley.

“If this package was clearly about making sure that schools open, why is it that less than 5 percent of all spending for schools will only be spent this year?” said the top House Budget Committee Republican, Rep. Jason Smith of Missouri, at a Wednesday press conference.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that 95 percent of the bill’s $129 billion for K-12 schools will be spent in 2022-2028, in part because much of the already appropriated $113 billion hasn’t been spent.

California, which recently reported a $10 billion budget surplus, is expected to receive more than $40 billion via the bill, which Republican leaders including McCarthy say is unneeded.

Republican strategist Andy Surabian told The Post that “it is a disgrace that Democrats are trying to push through a bill where 90 percent of the spending doesn’t actually have anything to do with COVID. It is an absolute a slap in the face to everyone who has actually been killed, who have had their businesses destroyed by these lockdowns.”
Let's not act like this is the first time a party has added extra pork into a bill but I will agree that it's frustrating by all sides and all politicians. It drives me absolutely nuts about bills. In my opinion, it is inappropriate to add extras into something and try to pass it. If you have a bill on education, make it a bill on education, not adding in on page 428 something about adding funding to a military line item. If you have a bill on military funding, then don't add something in at the very end about providing funds to something about fracking. If you have a bill on COVID relief, then don't add in something about increasing the national minimum wage. It's partly laziness on the work of politicians that don't/won't read a ton of bills and partly slimy on the work of politicians to try and slide crap in.
In an ideal world, I agree. Congress has a very difficult time getting anything passed, so this a means to the ends. I don't like it, but these are so petty about individual bills that nothing ever gets done.



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Re: Has this ever happened before?

Post by BigBruceBaker » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:09 pm

iaafan wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:38 am
coachouert wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:03 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:59 pm
Apparently the Dems Covid Relief bill isn’t just for Covid. It also includes the minimum wage increase to $15 and the pork below.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/25/rep-espai ... nding/amp/
New York Democratic Rep. Adriano Espaillat on Thursday said he’s “not comfortable” with “embarrassing” spending unrelated to the COVID-19 pandemic in President Biden’s $1.9 trillion relief bill, which is expected to pass the House Friday.

Espaillat admitted his misgivings when pressed by CNN host Poppy Harlow on $1.5 million for the Seaway International Bridge between Massena, New York, and Canada, and $100 million toward construction of an underground rail line linking House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco district and Silicon Valley.

“If this package was clearly about making sure that schools open, why is it that less than 5 percent of all spending for schools will only be spent this year?” said the top House Budget Committee Republican, Rep. Jason Smith of Missouri, at a Wednesday press conference.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that 95 percent of the bill’s $129 billion for K-12 schools will be spent in 2022-2028, in part because much of the already appropriated $113 billion hasn’t been spent.

California, which recently reported a $10 billion budget surplus, is expected to receive more than $40 billion via the bill, which Republican leaders including McCarthy say is unneeded.

Republican strategist Andy Surabian told The Post that “it is a disgrace that Democrats are trying to push through a bill where 90 percent of the spending doesn’t actually have anything to do with COVID. It is an absolute a slap in the face to everyone who has actually been killed, who have had their businesses destroyed by these lockdowns.”
Let's not act like this is the first time a party has added extra pork into a bill but I will agree that it's frustrating by all sides and all politicians. It drives me absolutely nuts about bills. In my opinion, it is inappropriate to add extras into something and try to pass it. If you have a bill on education, make it a bill on education, not adding in on page 428 something about adding funding to a military line item. If you have a bill on military funding, then don't add something in at the very end about providing funds to something about fracking. If you have a bill on COVID relief, then don't add in something about increasing the national minimum wage. It's partly laziness on the work of politicians that don't/won't read a ton of bills and partly slimy on the work of politicians to try and slide crap in.
In an ideal world, I agree. Congress has a very difficult time getting anything passed, so this a means to the ends. I don't like it, but these are so petty about individual bills that nothing ever gets done.
Thats a huge cop out in my opinion. If we forced each issue to have a bill we would get items to pass. The government would find a way to function.


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Re: Has this ever happened before?

Post by The Butcher » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:19 pm

coachouert wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:56 am

$500,000,000 for "arts, humanities and libraries".
I heard a really good point to this portion of relief. We are giving bars and restaurants COVID monies because of the drop in patronage, while museums, theaters, etc. are not despite suffering the same way. Helping employees in all types of small businesses should be considered when you are talking about relief packages.



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Re: Has this ever happened before?

Post by iaafan » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:25 pm

BigBruceBaker wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:09 pm
iaafan wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:38 am
coachouert wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:03 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:59 pm
Apparently the Dems Covid Relief bill isn’t just for Covid. It also includes the minimum wage increase to $15 and the pork below.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/25/rep-espai ... nding/amp/
New York Democratic Rep. Adriano Espaillat on Thursday said he’s “not comfortable” with “embarrassing” spending unrelated to the COVID-19 pandemic in President Biden’s $1.9 trillion relief bill, which is expected to pass the House Friday.

Espaillat admitted his misgivings when pressed by CNN host Poppy Harlow on $1.5 million for the Seaway International Bridge between Massena, New York, and Canada, and $100 million toward construction of an underground rail line linking House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco district and Silicon Valley.

“If this package was clearly about making sure that schools open, why is it that less than 5 percent of all spending for schools will only be spent this year?” said the top House Budget Committee Republican, Rep. Jason Smith of Missouri, at a Wednesday press conference.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that 95 percent of the bill’s $129 billion for K-12 schools will be spent in 2022-2028, in part because much of the already appropriated $113 billion hasn’t been spent.

California, which recently reported a $10 billion budget surplus, is expected to receive more than $40 billion via the bill, which Republican leaders including McCarthy say is unneeded.

Republican strategist Andy Surabian told The Post that “it is a disgrace that Democrats are trying to push through a bill where 90 percent of the spending doesn’t actually have anything to do with COVID. It is an absolute a slap in the face to everyone who has actually been killed, who have had their businesses destroyed by these lockdowns.”
Let's not act like this is the first time a party has added extra pork into a bill but I will agree that it's frustrating by all sides and all politicians. It drives me absolutely nuts about bills. In my opinion, it is inappropriate to add extras into something and try to pass it. If you have a bill on education, make it a bill on education, not adding in on page 428 something about adding funding to a military line item. If you have a bill on military funding, then don't add something in at the very end about providing funds to something about fracking. If you have a bill on COVID relief, then don't add in something about increasing the national minimum wage. It's partly laziness on the work of politicians that don't/won't read a ton of bills and partly slimy on the work of politicians to try and slide crap in.
In an ideal world, I agree. Congress has a very difficult time getting anything passed, so this a means to the ends. I don't like it, but these are so petty about individual bills that nothing ever gets done.
Thats a huge cop out in my opinion. If we forced each issue to have a bill we would get items to pass. The government would find a way to function.
I'd like to think the gov't would find a way, too. Please explain further. What I see is bills start individual, then don't pass, then end up stuffed into omnibus bills with bills from the opposite side of the aisle. If the Dems leave a Rep issue in, the Reps will leave a Dem issue in and both sides get what they want, but allow something they don't want. I've never broken down a bill to see who got more, but I have to believe its somewhat even.

What I don't like is bills so long that no one has time to read them and they get stuck passing something they really despise. ???

I don't know that much about it as you can tell, but that's my perception.



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Re: Has this ever happened before?

Post by Cataholic » Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:33 pm

iaafan wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:25 pm
BigBruceBaker wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:09 pm
iaafan wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:38 am
coachouert wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:03 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:59 pm
Apparently the Dems Covid Relief bill isn’t just for Covid. It also includes the minimum wage increase to $15 and the pork below.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/25/rep-espai ... nding/amp/
New York Democratic Rep. Adriano Espaillat on Thursday said he’s “not comfortable” with “embarrassing” spending unrelated to the COVID-19 pandemic in President Biden’s $1.9 trillion relief bill, which is expected to pass the House Friday.

Espaillat admitted his misgivings when pressed by CNN host Poppy Harlow on $1.5 million for the Seaway International Bridge between Massena, New York, and Canada, and $100 million toward construction of an underground rail line linking House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco district and Silicon Valley.

“If this package was clearly about making sure that schools open, why is it that less than 5 percent of all spending for schools will only be spent this year?” said the top House Budget Committee Republican, Rep. Jason Smith of Missouri, at a Wednesday press conference.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that 95 percent of the bill’s $129 billion for K-12 schools will be spent in 2022-2028, in part because much of the already appropriated $113 billion hasn’t been spent.

California, which recently reported a $10 billion budget surplus, is expected to receive more than $40 billion via the bill, which Republican leaders including McCarthy say is unneeded.

Republican strategist Andy Surabian told The Post that “it is a disgrace that Democrats are trying to push through a bill where 90 percent of the spending doesn’t actually have anything to do with COVID. It is an absolute a slap in the face to everyone who has actually been killed, who have had their businesses destroyed by these lockdowns.”
Let's not act like this is the first time a party has added extra pork into a bill but I will agree that it's frustrating by all sides and all politicians. It drives me absolutely nuts about bills. In my opinion, it is inappropriate to add extras into something and try to pass it. If you have a bill on education, make it a bill on education, not adding in on page 428 something about adding funding to a military line item. If you have a bill on military funding, then don't add something in at the very end about providing funds to something about fracking. If you have a bill on COVID relief, then don't add in something about increasing the national minimum wage. It's partly laziness on the work of politicians that don't/won't read a ton of bills and partly slimy on the work of politicians to try and slide crap in.
In an ideal world, I agree. Congress has a very difficult time getting anything passed, so this a means to the ends. I don't like it, but these are so petty about individual bills that nothing ever gets done.
Thats a huge cop out in my opinion. If we forced each issue to have a bill we would get items to pass. The government would find a way to function.
I'd like to think the gov't would find a way, too. Please explain further. What I see is bills start individual, then don't pass, then end up stuffed into omnibus bills with bills from the opposite side of the aisle. If the Dems leave a Rep issue in, the Reps will leave a Dem issue in and both sides get what they want, but allow something they don't want. I've never broken down a bill to see who got more, but I have to believe its somewhat even.

What I don't like is bills so long that no one has time to read them and they get stuck passing something they really despise. ???

I don't know that much about it as you can tell, but that's my perception.
One possible solution is to be vocal when these items are stuffed into in a bill. For example, should $100 million be put into a Covid relief bill for Pelosi’s district for underground rail system? I see the excuse “that it happens all the time”, but that don’t make it right. Do you guys think this rail system is appropriate for a covid relief bill? Should the minimum wage be tucked into the bill? If not, can’t we all say that those items don’t belong instead of it happens all the time.



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Re: Has this ever happened before?

Post by Cataholic » Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:36 pm

coachouert wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:03 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:59 pm
Apparently the Dems Covid Relief bill isn’t just for Covid. It also includes the minimum wage increase to $15 and the pork below.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/25/rep-espai ... nding/amp/
New York Democratic Rep. Adriano Espaillat on Thursday said he’s “not comfortable” with “embarrassing” spending unrelated to the COVID-19 pandemic in President Biden’s $1.9 trillion relief bill, which is expected to pass the House Friday.

Espaillat admitted his misgivings when pressed by CNN host Poppy Harlow on $1.5 million for the Seaway International Bridge between Massena, New York, and Canada, and $100 million toward construction of an underground rail line linking House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco district and Silicon Valley.

“If this package was clearly about making sure that schools open, why is it that less than 5 percent of all spending for schools will only be spent this year?” said the top House Budget Committee Republican, Rep. Jason Smith of Missouri, at a Wednesday press conference.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that 95 percent of the bill’s $129 billion for K-12 schools will be spent in 2022-2028, in part because much of the already appropriated $113 billion hasn’t been spent.

California, which recently reported a $10 billion budget surplus, is expected to receive more than $40 billion via the bill, which Republican leaders including McCarthy say is unneeded.

Republican strategist Andy Surabian told The Post that “it is a disgrace that Democrats are trying to push through a bill where 90 percent of the spending doesn’t actually have anything to do with COVID. It is an absolute a slap in the face to everyone who has actually been killed, who have had their businesses destroyed by these lockdowns.”
Let's not act like this is the first time a party has added extra pork into a bill but I will agree that it's frustrating by all sides and all politicians. It drives me absolutely nuts about bills. In my opinion, it is inappropriate to add extras into something and try to pass it. If you have a bill on education, make it a bill on education, not adding in on page 428 something about adding funding to a military line item. If you have a bill on military funding, then don't add something in at the very end about providing funds to something about fracking. If you have a bill on COVID relief, then don't add in something about increasing the national minimum wage. It's partly laziness on the work of politicians that don't/won't read a ton of bills and partly slimy on the work of politicians to try and slide crap in.
I agree with most of what you said, but I don’t recall the Republicans slipping any pork into this bill. Did I miss something? Or was this really a Democrat bill with Democrat pork?



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Re: Has this ever happened before?

Post by RickRund » Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:52 am

coachouert wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:56 am
RickRund wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:35 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:59 pm
Apparently the Dems Covid Relief bill isn’t just for Covid. It also includes the minimum wage increase to $15 and the pork below.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/25/rep-espai ... nding/amp/
New York Democratic Rep. Adriano Espaillat on Thursday said he’s “not comfortable” with “embarrassing” spending unrelated to the COVID-19 pandemic in President Biden’s $1.9 trillion relief bill, which is expected to pass the House Friday.

Espaillat admitted his misgivings when pressed by CNN host Poppy Harlow on $1.5 million for the Seaway International Bridge between Massena, New York, and Canada, and $100 million toward construction of an underground rail line linking House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco district and Silicon Valley.

“If this package was clearly about making sure that schools open, why is it that less than 5 percent of all spending for schools will only be spent this year?” said the top House Budget Committee Republican, Rep. Jason Smith of Missouri, at a Wednesday press conference.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that 95 percent of the bill’s $129 billion for K-12 schools will be spent in 2022-2028, in part because much of the already appropriated $113 billion hasn’t been spent.

California, which recently reported a $10 billion budget surplus, is expected to receive more than $40 billion via the bill, which Republican leaders including McCarthy say is unneeded.

Republican strategist Andy Surabian told The Post that “it is a disgrace that Democrats are trying to push through a bill where 90 percent of the spending doesn’t actually have anything to do with COVID. It is an absolute a slap in the face to everyone who has actually been killed, who have had their businesses destroyed by these lockdowns.”
Looks like the $15 is out, or was at the last news piece. There may be 25% that actually are pandemic related. Good old chuck schumer is saying they are debating another stimulus as soon as this one is passed...
$1,000,000,000 to advance "racial justice" in farming.
$129,000,000,000 to schools whether they open or not.
$$35,000,000,000 to obamacare subsidies.
$500,000,000 for "arts, humanities and libraries".
And then there is the billions to other countries.

Priorities!!!
What should be the priorities in your eyes?
I had commented but guess I messed up because it did not post...

Priorities: covid...

So wish there would only be stand alones. Much, MUCH less debate I would think. And far less grandstanding, pontificating...

I seem to remember an article stating the 1956 Interstate Highway Act and it was written on three 5x7 index cards... How nice would that be?

Far too much going to foreign (sorry jane fonda) entities especially those that HATE us. More going to them than will be given to our own country. There is still roughly $1T left from the last stimulus. That should be channeled to covid only. Then no stimulus needed. It is already there.



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Re: Has this ever happened before?

Post by The Butcher » Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:32 am

This one made me laugh out loud. The GOP just keeps taking these blows from Trump! Each blow is well deserved too! Sell your soul to the devil...

Trump sends cease-and-desist letters to GOP campaign committees
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Post by CatBot » Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:31 am

Can Kinzinger save the GOP? I'm still holding out hope but I doubt it. Trump continues to be a Cat 5 hurricane of political destruction.

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Post by Cataholic » Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:53 am

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Can Kinzinger save the GOP? I'm still holding out hope but I doubt it. Trump continues to be a Cat 5 hurricane of political destruction.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/09/politics ... index.html
Didn’t the Republicans take something like 13 seats in the House? I didn’t realize we were in such bad shape.



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Re: Has this ever happened before?

Post by iaafan » Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:22 am

Cataholic wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:53 am
CatBot wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:31 am
Can Kinzinger save the GOP? I'm still holding out hope but I doubt it. Trump continues to be a Cat 5 hurricane of political destruction.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/09/politics ... index.html
Didn’t the Republicans take something like 13 seats in the House? I didn’t realize we were in such bad shape.
That's like saying you're not in bad shape after your team scores a TD and makes the two-point conversion to cut the lead to 1 on the last play of the game.



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Re: Has this ever happened before?

Post by CatBot » Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:59 am

Cataholic wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:53 am
CatBot wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:31 am
Can Kinzinger save the GOP? I'm still holding out hope but I doubt it. Trump continues to be a Cat 5 hurricane of political destruction.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/09/politics ... index.html
Didn’t the Republicans take something like 13 seats in the House? I didn’t realize we were in such bad shape.
GOP had the house when Trump took office. Your post reminds of participation trophies.



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Re: Has this ever happened before?

Post by Cataholic » Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:37 pm

CatBot wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:59 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:53 am
CatBot wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:31 am
Can Kinzinger save the GOP? I'm still holding out hope but I doubt it. Trump continues to be a Cat 5 hurricane of political destruction.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/09/politics ... index.html
Didn’t the Republicans take something like 13 seats in the House? I didn’t realize we were in such bad shape.
GOP had the house when Trump took office. Your post reminds of participation trophies.
If you were actually keeping score, you would realize that the Republicans actually gained 11 net seats in Congress. Trump lost the presidency, but to claim that the Republican party is in disarray with such results is ridiculous. I would love to see the Democrats keep pushing this liberal agendas because the Republicans are well positioned to take back more seats in the House in 2022.



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Re: Has this ever happened before?

Post by catatac » Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:44 am

Cataholic wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:37 pm
CatBot wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:59 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:53 am
CatBot wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:31 am
Can Kinzinger save the GOP? I'm still holding out hope but I doubt it. Trump continues to be a Cat 5 hurricane of political destruction.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/09/politics ... index.html
Didn’t the Republicans take something like 13 seats in the House? I didn’t realize we were in such bad shape.
GOP had the house when Trump took office. Your post reminds of participation trophies.
If you were actually keeping score, you would realize that the Republicans actually gained 11 net seats in Congress. Trump lost the presidency, but to claim that the Republican party is in disarray with such results is ridiculous. I would love to see the Democrats keep pushing this liberal agendas because the Republicans are well positioned to take back more seats in the House in 2022.
Agree. The way some of things are playing out - we could be headed for absolute disaster.


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Re: Has this ever happened before?

Post by iaafan » Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:56 pm

catatac wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:44 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:37 pm
CatBot wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:59 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:53 am
CatBot wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:31 am
Can Kinzinger save the GOP? I'm still holding out hope but I doubt it. Trump continues to be a Cat 5 hurricane of political destruction.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/09/politics ... index.html
Didn’t the Republicans take something like 13 seats in the House? I didn’t realize we were in such bad shape.
GOP had the house when Trump took office. Your post reminds of participation trophies.
If you were actually keeping score, you would realize that the Republicans actually gained 11 net seats in Congress. Trump lost the presidency, but to claim that the Republican party is in disarray with such results is ridiculous. I would love to see the Democrats keep pushing this liberal agendas because the Republicans are well positioned to take back more seats in the House in 2022.
Agree. The way some of things are playing out - we could be headed for absolute disaster.
We're currently in a disaster. This is what a disaster looks like. When Covid started did you actually think the USA would be the least able to respond to it? I know, despite my distrust of Trump, that I didn't.

The economy for every Democrat president in the past 60 years has been better than it was for the Republicans presidents, so I'm not sure why you're concerned. I'm confident Biden will lead the US to better times based on that. If he does, the Republicans will have a tough time gaining seats in both the House and Senate.

Both parties have districts and states that are easy wins, hence why you see some of the people in congress that you see. It's very unfortunate that there are areas of the country that will vote for these folks, but that will never change. Some years favor one party over the other inthe Senate due to the what seats are up for election.

The republican state legislatures are working hard in many states to establish strong voter suppression. That will help the republicans and that's the only disaster I see on the horizon. We have a party that doesn't want people to vote because it hurts their chances to win elections, so they establish rules that make it difficult to vote. They also work hard to gerrymander voting districts in their favor. That alone tells you the Republican party is in moral disarray, but is very well organized. Much more organized than the Democrats.



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Re: Has this ever happened before?

Post by catatac » Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:31 pm

iaafan wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:56 pm
catatac wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:44 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:37 pm
CatBot wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:59 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:53 am
CatBot wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:31 am
Can Kinzinger save the GOP? I'm still holding out hope but I doubt it. Trump continues to be a Cat 5 hurricane of political destruction.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/09/politics ... index.html
Didn’t the Republicans take something like 13 seats in the House? I didn’t realize we were in such bad shape.
GOP had the house when Trump took office. Your post reminds of participation trophies.
If you were actually keeping score, you would realize that the Republicans actually gained 11 net seats in Congress. Trump lost the presidency, but to claim that the Republican party is in disarray with such results is ridiculous. I would love to see the Democrats keep pushing this liberal agendas because the Republicans are well positioned to take back more seats in the House in 2022.
Agree. The way some of things are playing out - we could be headed for absolute disaster.
We're currently in a disaster. This is what a disaster looks like. When Covid started did you actually think the USA would be the least able to respond to it? I know, despite my distrust of Trump, that I didn't.

The economy for every Democrat president in the past 60 years has been better than it was for the Republicans presidents, so I'm not sure why you're concerned. I'm confident Biden will lead the US to better times based on that. If he does, the Republicans will have a tough time gaining seats in both the House and Senate.

Both parties have districts and states that are easy wins, hence why you see some of the people in congress that you see. It's very unfortunate that there are areas of the country that will vote for these folks, but that will never change. Some years favor one party over the other inthe Senate due to the what seats are up for election.

The republican state legislatures are working hard in many states to establish strong voter suppression. That will help the republicans and that's the only disaster I see on the horizon. We have a party that doesn't want people to vote because it hurts their chances to win elections, so they establish rules that make it difficult to vote. They also work hard to gerrymander voting districts in their favor. That alone tells you the Republican party is in moral disarray, but is very well organized. Much more organized than the Democrats.
Oh boy. There's quite a bit wrong with several things in your comments but I want to call out just a couple things, and we'll probably just agree to disagree. That part I bolded above, so subjective. I always love the back and forth with people... well look how crappy the economy was under president Z. Ya, well that's because president Y left him a mess. What about president X? Well president W left him a mess. Pretty much always been that way. As for the voting thing, most of the republicans I know are all about making sure everyone has a chance to vote legally, and make sure only legal votes are counted. You talk about morality..... let's loosen up the borders and get more illegals into this country that can vote for democrats.


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