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cataholic wrote: Also, I am so tired of party politics. My father in law is a 70 year old blue collar union member. He has identified and voted as a Democrat for 50+ years. He will vote Democrat this year again for Biden. I had a conversation with him about him believing in Republican policies more than Democrats. We discussed guns, abortion, immigration, jobs, manufacturing, energy, police protection, health insurance and even unions. He was almost solidly on the Republican side on every issue, but... he will vote Democrat this election again.πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈπŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ
That’s one of the most interesting things I have read anywhere, all election season. I wonder what percentage of voters actually vote against what they really believe. Thought provoking.
My guess is that this happens a lot. My brother in law was sitting with us during the conversation. He said that his dad (identical demographics to my father in law) is the exact same. He will never vote as a Republican no matter how much the Democratic Party has changed.

One item that seem more prevalent this year is that many African Americans are saying that the Democratic Party has taken their support for granted (insert Biden quote β€œyou ain’t black if you don’t vote for Joe”). I think many African Americans are starting to look at how the Democratic strongholds (large urban cities) have been mismanaged under Democratic leadership. This election is outcome is going to be very interesting.
It will be really interesting. That new RVAT add with Trumps former chief of staff for homeland security, Miles Taylor, was eye opening....



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I am sure that mit romney and john kasich agree wholeheartedly...



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I am sure that mit romney and john kasich agree wholeheartedly...
do you disagree with his first hand accounts?



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Post by iaafan » Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:37 am

RickRund wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:37 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:18 am
I am sure that mit romney and john kasich agree wholeheartedly...
Trump grabbing women by the *****, doesn't matter. Trump having affair with pornstar, that's okay. Trump not listening to intel about Russian hacking elections, doesn't matter. Trump's quid pro quo with Ukraine, that's okay (he learned his lesson Susan Collins says). Elected republican officials disagreeing with Trump, doesn't matter. Staff calling Trump a moron and doing damage to the country, no biggy. Trump saying he can shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose a voter, yep! Trump suggesting injecting Lysol to cure Covid, no problem. Trump saying Covid will be over in a week, by Easter, by this summer...that's okay.

But, ya know, Biden's worse.



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Post by ilovethecats » Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:21 am

iaafan wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:37 am
RickRund wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:37 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:18 am
I am sure that mit romney and john kasich agree wholeheartedly...
Trump grabbing women by the *****, doesn't matter. Trump having affair with pornstar, that's okay. Trump not listening to intel about Russian hacking elections, doesn't matter. Trump's quid pro quo with Ukraine, that's okay (he learned his lesson Susan Collins says). Elected republican officials disagreeing with Trump, doesn't matter. Staff calling Trump a moron and doing damage to the country, no biggy. Trump saying he can shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose a voter, yep! Trump suggesting injecting Lysol to cure Covid, no problem. Trump saying Covid will be over in a week, by Easter, by this summer...that's okay.

But, ya know, Biden's worse.
The saddest part about this whole thing, (which I agree with all of it) is you just might be right about Biden. Which is just lousy for our country once again. :cry:



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Post by catatac » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:43 am

iaafan wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:37 am
RickRund wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:37 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:18 am
I am sure that mit romney and john kasich agree wholeheartedly...
Trump grabbing women by the *****, doesn't matter. Trump having affair with pornstar, that's okay. Trump not listening to intel about Russian hacking elections, doesn't matter. Trump's quid pro quo with Ukraine, that's okay (he learned his lesson Susan Collins says). Elected republican officials disagreeing with Trump, doesn't matter. Staff calling Trump a moron and doing damage to the country, no biggy. Trump saying he can shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose a voter, yep! Trump suggesting injecting Lysol to cure Covid, no problem. Trump saying Covid will be over in a week, by Easter, by this summer...that's okay.

But, ya know, Biden's worse.
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Post by iaafan » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:53 am

ilovethecats wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:21 am
iaafan wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:37 am
RickRund wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:37 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:18 am
I am sure that mit romney and john kasich agree wholeheartedly...
Trump grabbing women by the *****, doesn't matter. Trump having affair with pornstar, that's okay. Trump not listening to intel about Russian hacking elections, doesn't matter. Trump's quid pro quo with Ukraine, that's okay (he learned his lesson Susan Collins says). Elected republican officials disagreeing with Trump, doesn't matter. Staff calling Trump a moron and doing damage to the country, no biggy. Trump saying he can shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose a voter, yep! Trump suggesting injecting Lysol to cure Covid, no problem. Trump saying Covid will be over in a week, by Easter, by this summer...that's okay.

But, ya know, Biden's worse.
The saddest part about this whole thing, (which I agree with all of it) is you just might be right about Biden. Which is just lousy for our country once again. :cry:
I don't understand what you mean about being right about Biden.



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Post by ilovethecats » Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:01 am

iaafan wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:53 am
ilovethecats wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:21 am
iaafan wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:37 am
RickRund wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:37 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:18 am
I am sure that mit romney and john kasich agree wholeheartedly...
Trump grabbing women by the *****, doesn't matter. Trump having affair with pornstar, that's okay. Trump not listening to intel about Russian hacking elections, doesn't matter. Trump's quid pro quo with Ukraine, that's okay (he learned his lesson Susan Collins says). Elected republican officials disagreeing with Trump, doesn't matter. Staff calling Trump a moron and doing damage to the country, no biggy. Trump saying he can shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose a voter, yep! Trump suggesting injecting Lysol to cure Covid, no problem. Trump saying Covid will be over in a week, by Easter, by this summer...that's okay.

But, ya know, Biden's worse.
The saddest part about this whole thing, (which I agree with all of it) is you just might be right about Biden. Which is just lousy for our country once again. :cry:
I don't understand what you mean about being right about Biden.
You said, "but, ya know, Biden's worse". Obviously tongue in cheek.

I was pointing out, that despite all the terrible crap you mentioned about Trump, which I agree with, there is still a chance that Biden is worse.

It's everything that is terrible about politics. We don't seem to have many good choices. And people are so quick to support a party and blast another party, that they'll ignore every terrible thing "their" guy does; and be the first to call out every terrible thing the "other" guy does wrong.

Until people started seeing that many of them are pretty ****** options, and not just supporting a person because they're convinced that person is the lesser of two evils, we'll continue having ****** choices. It's frustrating to see.



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Post by Cataholic » Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:15 am

iaafan wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:53 am
ilovethecats wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:21 am
iaafan wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:37 am
RickRund wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:37 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:18 am
I am sure that mit romney and john kasich agree wholeheartedly...
Trump grabbing women by the *****, doesn't matter. Trump having affair with pornstar, that's okay. Trump not listening to intel about Russian hacking elections, doesn't matter. Trump's quid pro quo with Ukraine, that's okay (he learned his lesson Susan Collins says). Elected republican officials disagreeing with Trump, doesn't matter. Staff calling Trump a moron and doing damage to the country, no biggy. Trump saying he can shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose a voter, yep! Trump suggesting injecting Lysol to cure Covid, no problem. Trump saying Covid will be over in a week, by Easter, by this summer...that's okay.

But, ya know, Biden's worse.
The saddest part about this whole thing, (which I agree with all of it) is you just might be right about Biden. Which is just lousy for our country once again. :cry:
I don't understand what you mean about being right about Biden.
Hahaha! You said Biden is worse and he agreed!!

Unfortunately, he is right. This is just a few of what a Biden/Harris administration offers:

Eliminate fracking and fossil fuel energy - leads to significantly higher costs for fuel and electricity, fewer high paying energy jobs and allows foreign powers to build a β€œwar chest” with an energy industry that does not include the US.

Open borders will allow the free movement of criminals into the US.

Less police protection as funds are distributed elsewhere.

Free healthcare to everyone, including illegal immigrants that don’t pay any taxes.

Free higher education. Of course, someone has to pay for it, so I fully expect that many of our taxes will increase significantly.

Very important, but Biden’s mental acuity has regressed. There is no way around it. Harris will be taking charge of the administration at some point. Even if Harris does not take charge, Biden does not have the wherewithal to make independent decisions. To select the VP, he formed a committee and let them decide!

And of course higher tax rates. I am guessing that many MSU graduates will be paying significantly higher tax rates. Someone has to pay for all the free stuff.

Also, note that Biden and the Dems do not talk about their policies. They are fixated on just saying how bad Trump is. IAA did it above. The DNC is doing it right now. They can’t win on policy so they trash the incumbent.



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Post by iaafan » Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:33 am

ilovethecats wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:01 am
iaafan wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:53 am
ilovethecats wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:21 am
iaafan wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:37 am
RickRund wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:37 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:18 am
I am sure that mit romney and john kasich agree wholeheartedly...
Trump grabbing women by the *****, doesn't matter. Trump having affair with pornstar, that's okay. Trump not listening to intel about Russian hacking elections, doesn't matter. Trump's quid pro quo with Ukraine, that's okay (he learned his lesson Susan Collins says). Elected republican officials disagreeing with Trump, doesn't matter. Staff calling Trump a moron and doing damage to the country, no biggy. Trump saying he can shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose a voter, yep! Trump suggesting injecting Lysol to cure Covid, no problem. Trump saying Covid will be over in a week, by Easter, by this summer...that's okay.

But, ya know, Biden's worse.
The saddest part about this whole thing, (which I agree with all of it) is you just might be right about Biden. Which is just lousy for our country once again. :cry:
I don't understand what you mean about being right about Biden.
You said, "but, ya know, Biden's worse". Obviously tongue in cheek.

I was pointing out, that despite all the terrible crap you mentioned about Trump, which I agree with, there is still a chance that Biden is worse.

It's everything that is terrible about politics. We don't seem to have many good choices. And people are so quick to support a party and blast another party, that they'll ignore every terrible thing "their" guy does; and be the first to call out every terrible thing the "other" guy does wrong.

Until people started seeing that many of them are pretty ****** options, and not just supporting a person because they're convinced that person is the lesser of two evils, we'll continue having ****** choices. It's frustrating to see.
Oh, OK, yes that was tongue in cheek.

Yes, there's always a chance of that. That's kind of Trump-speak though. There's a chance Lysol works, there's a chance Russia isn't meddling in elections, there's a chance the virus goes away in a week....in April...in the summer...

It's not about blasting a party so much as it is an individual and the people that support that individual. I'm not going to sit hear and tell you I don't disagree a lot with Reagan and Bush, but this B.S. from Trump is just off the charts. So, no, it's not a politics thing. There are prominent republicans that are besides themselves about Trump. They're much harder on him than any democrat is on him.

I don't think Biden is a lesser of two evils choice. Biden is in same mold of Reagan, Carter, Obama, Bush Sr., Clinton. He's not in the mold of Trump. This stuff people are coming up with on Biden is just a counter-measure to all the things people (from both sides of the aisle) are, justifiably, saying about Trump.

When's the last time you've seen so many people from the party of the president in power turn against that president? And they aren't all turning on the party, they're just turning Trump. They'd like to have a republican in the oval office, but not Trump.



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Post by iaafan » Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:44 am

Cataholic wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:15 am
iaafan wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:53 am
ilovethecats wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:21 am
iaafan wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:37 am
RickRund wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:37 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:18 am
I am sure that mit romney and john kasich agree wholeheartedly...
Trump grabbing women by the *****, doesn't matter. Trump having affair with pornstar, that's okay. Trump not listening to intel about Russian hacking elections, doesn't matter. Trump's quid pro quo with Ukraine, that's okay (he learned his lesson Susan Collins says). Elected republican officials disagreeing with Trump, doesn't matter. Staff calling Trump a moron and doing damage to the country, no biggy. Trump saying he can shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose a voter, yep! Trump suggesting injecting Lysol to cure Covid, no problem. Trump saying Covid will be over in a week, by Easter, by this summer...that's okay.

But, ya know, Biden's worse.
The saddest part about this whole thing, (which I agree with all of it) is you just might be right about Biden. Which is just lousy for our country once again. :cry:
I don't understand what you mean about being right about Biden.
Hahaha! You said Biden is worse and he agreed!!

Unfortunately, he is right. This is just a few of what a Biden/Harris administration offers:

Eliminate fracking and fossil fuel energy - leads to significantly higher costs for fuel and electricity, fewer high paying energy jobs and allows foreign powers to build a β€œwar chest” with an energy industry that does not include the US.

Open borders will allow the free movement of criminals into the US.

Less police protection as funds are distributed elsewhere.

Free healthcare to everyone, including illegal immigrants that don’t pay any taxes.

Free higher education. Of course, someone has to pay for it, so I fully expect that many of our taxes will increase significantly.

Very important, but Biden’s mental acuity has regressed. There is no way around it. Harris will be taking charge of the administration at some point. Even if Harris does not take charge, Biden does not have the wherewithal to make independent decisions. To select the VP, he formed a committee and let them decide!

And of course higher tax rates. I am guessing that many MSU graduates will be paying significantly higher tax rates. Someone has to pay for all the free stuff.

Also, note that Biden and the Dems do not talk about their policies. They are fixated on just saying how bad Trump is. IAA did it above. The DNC is doing it right now. They can’t win on policy so they trash the incumbent.
Eliminating fossil fuels opens up jobs in alternate clean energy.

Closed borders allow ONLY criminals into the US.

Distributing funds elsewhere puts tasks in the hands of people that can handle them.

Free? healthcare is working in almost every developed country. Are you saying we're not a developed country, so we can't pull off single-payer healthcare, which saves money overall.

Free higher ed. Pays for itself. More educated people, more high paying jobs, more taxes paid.

Biden's mental has not regressed. He has a speech impediment that causes him to appear to not be clicking, but he's been this way his entire life. He's quite capable of making independent decisions. What a stupid thing to say.

Someone has to pay for the all the stuff we haven't been paying for since Trump took office. Eventually. This is how the republican presidents, every-single-one-since-Coolidge, create recessions. They're very good at it. Bush was amazing at creating a recession. Trump's will top that.

What? If this is the case, then it's a first. Democrats (progressives) have policies and new ideas. Republicans (conservatives) just want to maintain the status quo, thus no policies needed. Trump has to be trashed. Not trashing Trump is doing what Lindsay Graham is doing, which is giving him a pass. The guy is a walking, talking time bomb and a global joke. I wouldn't even call it trashing, they're just pointing out what factual idiot he is. "Here, inject some Lysol!"



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Post by ilovethecats » Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:46 am

iaafan wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:33 am
ilovethecats wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:01 am
iaafan wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:53 am
ilovethecats wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:21 am
iaafan wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:37 am
RickRund wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:37 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:18 am
I am sure that mit romney and john kasich agree wholeheartedly...
Trump grabbing women by the *****, doesn't matter. Trump having affair with pornstar, that's okay. Trump not listening to intel about Russian hacking elections, doesn't matter. Trump's quid pro quo with Ukraine, that's okay (he learned his lesson Susan Collins says). Elected republican officials disagreeing with Trump, doesn't matter. Staff calling Trump a moron and doing damage to the country, no biggy. Trump saying he can shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose a voter, yep! Trump suggesting injecting Lysol to cure Covid, no problem. Trump saying Covid will be over in a week, by Easter, by this summer...that's okay.

But, ya know, Biden's worse.
The saddest part about this whole thing, (which I agree with all of it) is you just might be right about Biden. Which is just lousy for our country once again. :cry:
I don't understand what you mean about being right about Biden.
You said, "but, ya know, Biden's worse". Obviously tongue in cheek.

I was pointing out, that despite all the terrible crap you mentioned about Trump, which I agree with, there is still a chance that Biden is worse.

It's everything that is terrible about politics. We don't seem to have many good choices. And people are so quick to support a party and blast another party, that they'll ignore every terrible thing "their" guy does; and be the first to call out every terrible thing the "other" guy does wrong.

Until people started seeing that many of them are pretty ****** options, and not just supporting a person because they're convinced that person is the lesser of two evils, we'll continue having ****** choices. It's frustrating to see.
Oh, OK, yes that was tongue in cheek.

Yes, there's always a chance of that. That's kind of Trump-speak though. There's a chance Lysol works, there's a chance Russia isn't meddling in elections, there's a chance the virus goes away in a week....in April...in the summer...

It's not about blasting a party so much as it is an individual and the people that support that individual. I'm not going to sit hear and tell you I don't disagree a lot with Reagan and Bush, but this B.S. from Trump is just off the charts. So, no, it's not a politics thing. There are prominent republicans that are besides themselves about Trump. They're much harder on him than any democrat is on him.

I don't think Biden is a lesser of two evils choice. Biden is in same mold of Reagan, Carter, Obama, Bush Sr., Clinton. He's not in the mold of Trump. This stuff people are coming up with on Biden is just a counter-measure to all the things people (from both sides of the aisle) are, justifiably, saying about Trump.

When's the last time you've seen so many people from the party of the president in power turn against that president? And they aren't all turning on the party, they're just turning Trump. They'd like to have a republican in the oval office, but not Trump.
You said it perfectly. In your opinion he's the lesser of two evils. Which is so frustrating to me that this is how we have to pick the people running our country. Of course, many people who don't share his views on politics may think Trump is the lesser of two evils. And aside from politics, he's been accused of sexual assault by at least 8 women so far. Will more come forward as we gear up for the election?

Even if you agree with every single thing politically with either one of these guys, you still have terrible choices to make. A guy who grabs women by their pussies and has ties to pedophiles, or maybe the other guy who appears to be senile that has been accused several times of sexual assault that we know about?

I think both choices are garbage. I'm hoping I'm alive to see the day we have decent choices, and don't just handcuff ourselves to a party, regardless of how ****** that person is. We're seeing this first hand right now. How Trump is our president is an absolute joke. But he got to go against Hillary so he was a shoe-in. And as much as I despise a lot about him, if the best we can throw against him is Joe Biden, I won't be shocked at all if the Donald is our leader for 4 more years.... :sick:



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Post by iaafan » Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:57 am

ilovethecats wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:46 am
iaafan wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:33 am
ilovethecats wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:01 am
iaafan wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:53 am
ilovethecats wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:21 am
iaafan wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:37 am
RickRund wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:37 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:18 am
I am sure that mit romney and john kasich agree wholeheartedly...
Trump grabbing women by the *****, doesn't matter. Trump having affair with pornstar, that's okay. Trump not listening to intel about Russian hacking elections, doesn't matter. Trump's quid pro quo with Ukraine, that's okay (he learned his lesson Susan Collins says). Elected republican officials disagreeing with Trump, doesn't matter. Staff calling Trump a moron and doing damage to the country, no biggy. Trump saying he can shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose a voter, yep! Trump suggesting injecting Lysol to cure Covid, no problem. Trump saying Covid will be over in a week, by Easter, by this summer...that's okay.

But, ya know, Biden's worse.
The saddest part about this whole thing, (which I agree with all of it) is you just might be right about Biden. Which is just lousy for our country once again. :cry:
I don't understand what you mean about being right about Biden.
You said, "but, ya know, Biden's worse". Obviously tongue in cheek.

I was pointing out, that despite all the terrible crap you mentioned about Trump, which I agree with, there is still a chance that Biden is worse.

It's everything that is terrible about politics. We don't seem to have many good choices. And people are so quick to support a party and blast another party, that they'll ignore every terrible thing "their" guy does; and be the first to call out every terrible thing the "other" guy does wrong.

Until people started seeing that many of them are pretty ****** options, and not just supporting a person because they're convinced that person is the lesser of two evils, we'll continue having ****** choices. It's frustrating to see.
Oh, OK, yes that was tongue in cheek.

Yes, there's always a chance of that. That's kind of Trump-speak though. There's a chance Lysol works, there's a chance Russia isn't meddling in elections, there's a chance the virus goes away in a week....in April...in the summer...

It's not about blasting a party so much as it is an individual and the people that support that individual. I'm not going to sit hear and tell you I don't disagree a lot with Reagan and Bush, but this B.S. from Trump is just off the charts. So, no, it's not a politics thing. There are prominent republicans that are besides themselves about Trump. They're much harder on him than any democrat is on him.

I don't think Biden is a lesser of two evils choice. Biden is in same mold of Reagan, Carter, Obama, Bush Sr., Clinton. He's not in the mold of Trump. This stuff people are coming up with on Biden is just a counter-measure to all the things people (from both sides of the aisle) are, justifiably, saying about Trump.

When's the last time you've seen so many people from the party of the president in power turn against that president? And they aren't all turning on the party, they're just turning Trump. They'd like to have a republican in the oval office, but not Trump.
You said it perfectly. In your opinion he's the lesser of two evils. Which is so frustrating to me that this is how we have to pick the people running our country. Of course, many people who don't share his views on politics may think Trump is the lesser of two evils. And aside from politics, he's been accused of sexual assault by at least 8 women so far. Will more come forward as we gear up for the election?

Even if you agree with every single thing politically with either one of these guys, you still have terrible choices to make. A guy who grabs women by their pussies and has ties to pedophiles, or maybe the other guy who appears to be senile that has been accused several times of sexual assault that we know about?

I think both choices are garbage. I'm hoping I'm alive to see the day we have decent choices, and don't just handcuff ourselves to a party, regardless of how ****** that person is. We're seeing this first hand right now. How Trump is our president is an absolute joke. But he got to go against Hillary so he was a shoe-in. And as much as I despise a lot about him, if the best we can throw against him is Joe Biden, I won't be shocked at all if the Donald is our leader for 4 more years.... :sick:
Umm, not I'm not saying he's the lesser of two evils. I think he's a decent person, who has a lot of political knowledge and will do a good job of unifying this country, which it's sadly in need of. He doesn't appear to be senile. He appears to be the same way he was 20 years ago. He has a speech impediment. He's acted and sounded this way for years. Has nothing to do with senility.

Trump wasn't a shoo-in. He barely won the election. Lost the popular vote. Won four swing states by narrow margins or he would've lost.
It was very close race. Presidential races are rarely shoo-ins. There hasn't been a landslide win since Reagan vs. Mondale.



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I am sure that mit romney and john kasich agree wholeheartedly...
Trump grabbing women by the *****, doesn't matter. Trump having affair with pornstar, that's okay. Trump not listening to intel about Russian hacking elections, doesn't matter. Trump's quid pro quo with Ukraine, that's okay (he learned his lesson Susan Collins says). Elected republican officials disagreeing with Trump, doesn't matter. Staff calling Trump a moron and doing damage to the country, no biggy. Trump saying he can shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose a voter, yep! Trump suggesting injecting Lysol to cure Covid, no problem. Trump saying Covid will be over in a week, by Easter, by this summer...that's okay.

But, ya know, Biden's worse.
The saddest part about this whole thing, (which I agree with all of it) is you just might be right about Biden. Which is just lousy for our country once again. :cry:
I don't understand what you mean about being right about Biden.
You said, "but, ya know, Biden's worse". Obviously tongue in cheek.

I was pointing out, that despite all the terrible crap you mentioned about Trump, which I agree with, there is still a chance that Biden is worse.

It's everything that is terrible about politics. We don't seem to have many good choices. And people are so quick to support a party and blast another party, that they'll ignore every terrible thing "their" guy does; and be the first to call out every terrible thing the "other" guy does wrong.

Until people started seeing that many of them are pretty ****** options, and not just supporting a person because they're convinced that person is the lesser of two evils, we'll continue having ****** choices. It's frustrating to see.
Oh, OK, yes that was tongue in cheek.

Yes, there's always a chance of that. That's kind of Trump-speak though. There's a chance Lysol works, there's a chance Russia isn't meddling in elections, there's a chance the virus goes away in a week....in April...in the summer...

It's not about blasting a party so much as it is an individual and the people that support that individual. I'm not going to sit hear and tell you I don't disagree a lot with Reagan and Bush, but this B.S. from Trump is just off the charts. So, no, it's not a politics thing. There are prominent republicans that are besides themselves about Trump. They're much harder on him than any democrat is on him.

I don't think Biden is a lesser of two evils choice. Biden is in same mold of Reagan, Carter, Obama, Bush Sr., Clinton. He's not in the mold of Trump. This stuff people are coming up with on Biden is just a counter-measure to all the things people (from both sides of the aisle) are, justifiably, saying about Trump.

When's the last time you've seen so many people from the party of the president in power turn against that president? And they aren't all turning on the party, they're just turning Trump. They'd like to have a republican in the oval office, but not Trump.
You said it perfectly. In your opinion he's the lesser of two evils. Which is so frustrating to me that this is how we have to pick the people running our country. Of course, many people who don't share his views on politics may think Trump is the lesser of two evils. And aside from politics, he's been accused of sexual assault by at least 8 women so far. Will more come forward as we gear up for the election?

Even if you agree with every single thing politically with either one of these guys, you still have terrible choices to make. A guy who grabs women by their pussies and has ties to pedophiles, or maybe the other guy who appears to be senile that has been accused several times of sexual assault that we know about?

I think both choices are garbage. I'm hoping I'm alive to see the day we have decent choices, and don't just handcuff ourselves to a party, regardless of how ****** that person is. We're seeing this first hand right now. How Trump is our president is an absolute joke. But he got to go against Hillary so he was a shoe-in. And as much as I despise a lot about him, if the best we can throw against him is Joe Biden, I won't be shocked at all if the Donald is our leader for 4 more years.... :sick:
Umm, not I'm not saying he's the lesser of two evils. I think he's a decent person, who has a lot of political knowledge and will do a good job of unifying this country, which it's sadly in need of. He doesn't appear to be senile. He appears to be the same way he was 20 years ago. He has a speech impediment. He's acted and sounded this way for years. Has nothing to do with senility.

Trump wasn't a shoo-in. He barely won the election. Lost the popular vote. Won four swing states by narrow margins or he would've lost.
It was very close race. Presidential races are rarely shoo-ins. There hasn't been a landslide win since Reagan vs. Mondale.
Apologies, I read that part wrong.

For me, he's DEFINITELY the lesser of two evils. Both because I don't agree with everything he stands for politically; and unfortunately the other stuff that for me is way more important than politics. I don't like having to choose between a womanizing egomaniac who thinks "grab 'em by the pussy" is ok....and a guy that to date has been accused of sexual assault or sexual misconduct by at least 8 women.

I'll be withholding my vote this fall is my guess. I can't in good conscience vote for someone who seems to lack character.



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Re: Ah heck, just allow ballots drawn w/crayons

Post by iaafan » Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:20 pm

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I am sure that mit romney and john kasich agree wholeheartedly...
Trump grabbing women by the *****, doesn't matter. Trump having affair with pornstar, that's okay. Trump not listening to intel about Russian hacking elections, doesn't matter. Trump's quid pro quo with Ukraine, that's okay (he learned his lesson Susan Collins says). Elected republican officials disagreeing with Trump, doesn't matter. Staff calling Trump a moron and doing damage to the country, no biggy. Trump saying he can shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose a voter, yep! Trump suggesting injecting Lysol to cure Covid, no problem. Trump saying Covid will be over in a week, by Easter, by this summer...that's okay.

But, ya know, Biden's worse.
The saddest part about this whole thing, (which I agree with all of it) is you just might be right about Biden. Which is just lousy for our country once again. :cry:
I don't understand what you mean about being right about Biden.
You said, "but, ya know, Biden's worse". Obviously tongue in cheek.

I was pointing out, that despite all the terrible crap you mentioned about Trump, which I agree with, there is still a chance that Biden is worse.

It's everything that is terrible about politics. We don't seem to have many good choices. And people are so quick to support a party and blast another party, that they'll ignore every terrible thing "their" guy does; and be the first to call out every terrible thing the "other" guy does wrong.

Until people started seeing that many of them are pretty ****** options, and not just supporting a person because they're convinced that person is the lesser of two evils, we'll continue having ****** choices. It's frustrating to see.
Oh, OK, yes that was tongue in cheek.

Yes, there's always a chance of that. That's kind of Trump-speak though. There's a chance Lysol works, there's a chance Russia isn't meddling in elections, there's a chance the virus goes away in a week....in April...in the summer...

It's not about blasting a party so much as it is an individual and the people that support that individual. I'm not going to sit hear and tell you I don't disagree a lot with Reagan and Bush, but this B.S. from Trump is just off the charts. So, no, it's not a politics thing. There are prominent republicans that are besides themselves about Trump. They're much harder on him than any democrat is on him.

I don't think Biden is a lesser of two evils choice. Biden is in same mold of Reagan, Carter, Obama, Bush Sr., Clinton. He's not in the mold of Trump. This stuff people are coming up with on Biden is just a counter-measure to all the things people (from both sides of the aisle) are, justifiably, saying about Trump.

When's the last time you've seen so many people from the party of the president in power turn against that president? And they aren't all turning on the party, they're just turning Trump. They'd like to have a republican in the oval office, but not Trump.
You said it perfectly. In your opinion he's the lesser of two evils. Which is so frustrating to me that this is how we have to pick the people running our country. Of course, many people who don't share his views on politics may think Trump is the lesser of two evils. And aside from politics, he's been accused of sexual assault by at least 8 women so far. Will more come forward as we gear up for the election?

Even if you agree with every single thing politically with either one of these guys, you still have terrible choices to make. A guy who grabs women by their pussies and has ties to pedophiles, or maybe the other guy who appears to be senile that has been accused several times of sexual assault that we know about?

I think both choices are garbage. I'm hoping I'm alive to see the day we have decent choices, and don't just handcuff ourselves to a party, regardless of how ****** that person is. We're seeing this first hand right now. How Trump is our president is an absolute joke. But he got to go against Hillary so he was a shoe-in. And as much as I despise a lot about him, if the best we can throw against him is Joe Biden, I won't be shocked at all if the Donald is our leader for 4 more years.... :sick:
Umm, not I'm not saying he's the lesser of two evils. I think he's a decent person, who has a lot of political knowledge and will do a good job of unifying this country, which it's sadly in need of. He doesn't appear to be senile. He appears to be the same way he was 20 years ago. He has a speech impediment. He's acted and sounded this way for years. Has nothing to do with senility.

Trump wasn't a shoo-in. He barely won the election. Lost the popular vote. Won four swing states by narrow margins or he would've lost.
It was very close race. Presidential races are rarely shoo-ins. There hasn't been a landslide win since Reagan vs. Mondale.
Apologies, I read that part wrong.

For me, he's DEFINITELY the lesser of two evils. Both because I don't agree with everything he stands for politically; and unfortunately the other stuff that for me is way more important than politics. I don't like having to choose between a womanizing egomaniac who thinks "grab 'em by the pussy" is ok....and a guy that to date has been accused of sexual assault or sexual misconduct by at least 8 women.

I'll be withholding my vote this fall is my guess. I can't in good conscience vote for someone who seems to lack character.
That's perfectly fine by me. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I'm just expressing mine and the rationale behind it. We can agree to disagree.

Trump will almost certainly win Montana and our three electoral votes almost certainly won't be the deciding votes in the election.



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Re: Ah heck, just allow ballots drawn w/crayons

Post by ilovethecats » Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:55 pm

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I am sure that mit romney and john kasich agree wholeheartedly...
Trump grabbing women by the *****, doesn't matter. Trump having affair with pornstar, that's okay. Trump not listening to intel about Russian hacking elections, doesn't matter. Trump's quid pro quo with Ukraine, that's okay (he learned his lesson Susan Collins says). Elected republican officials disagreeing with Trump, doesn't matter. Staff calling Trump a moron and doing damage to the country, no biggy. Trump saying he can shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose a voter, yep! Trump suggesting injecting Lysol to cure Covid, no problem. Trump saying Covid will be over in a week, by Easter, by this summer...that's okay.

But, ya know, Biden's worse.
The saddest part about this whole thing, (which I agree with all of it) is you just might be right about Biden. Which is just lousy for our country once again. :cry:
I don't understand what you mean about being right about Biden.
You said, "but, ya know, Biden's worse". Obviously tongue in cheek.

I was pointing out, that despite all the terrible crap you mentioned about Trump, which I agree with, there is still a chance that Biden is worse.

It's everything that is terrible about politics. We don't seem to have many good choices. And people are so quick to support a party and blast another party, that they'll ignore every terrible thing "their" guy does; and be the first to call out every terrible thing the "other" guy does wrong.

Until people started seeing that many of them are pretty ****** options, and not just supporting a person because they're convinced that person is the lesser of two evils, we'll continue having ****** choices. It's frustrating to see.
Oh, OK, yes that was tongue in cheek.

Yes, there's always a chance of that. That's kind of Trump-speak though. There's a chance Lysol works, there's a chance Russia isn't meddling in elections, there's a chance the virus goes away in a week....in April...in the summer...

It's not about blasting a party so much as it is an individual and the people that support that individual. I'm not going to sit hear and tell you I don't disagree a lot with Reagan and Bush, but this B.S. from Trump is just off the charts. So, no, it's not a politics thing. There are prominent republicans that are besides themselves about Trump. They're much harder on him than any democrat is on him.

I don't think Biden is a lesser of two evils choice. Biden is in same mold of Reagan, Carter, Obama, Bush Sr., Clinton. He's not in the mold of Trump. This stuff people are coming up with on Biden is just a counter-measure to all the things people (from both sides of the aisle) are, justifiably, saying about Trump.

When's the last time you've seen so many people from the party of the president in power turn against that president? And they aren't all turning on the party, they're just turning Trump. They'd like to have a republican in the oval office, but not Trump.
You said it perfectly. In your opinion he's the lesser of two evils. Which is so frustrating to me that this is how we have to pick the people running our country. Of course, many people who don't share his views on politics may think Trump is the lesser of two evils. And aside from politics, he's been accused of sexual assault by at least 8 women so far. Will more come forward as we gear up for the election?

Even if you agree with every single thing politically with either one of these guys, you still have terrible choices to make. A guy who grabs women by their pussies and has ties to pedophiles, or maybe the other guy who appears to be senile that has been accused several times of sexual assault that we know about?

I think both choices are garbage. I'm hoping I'm alive to see the day we have decent choices, and don't just handcuff ourselves to a party, regardless of how ****** that person is. We're seeing this first hand right now. How Trump is our president is an absolute joke. But he got to go against Hillary so he was a shoe-in. And as much as I despise a lot about him, if the best we can throw against him is Joe Biden, I won't be shocked at all if the Donald is our leader for 4 more years.... :sick:
Umm, not I'm not saying he's the lesser of two evils. I think he's a decent person, who has a lot of political knowledge and will do a good job of unifying this country, which it's sadly in need of. He doesn't appear to be senile. He appears to be the same way he was 20 years ago. He has a speech impediment. He's acted and sounded this way for years. Has nothing to do with senility.

Trump wasn't a shoo-in. He barely won the election. Lost the popular vote. Won four swing states by narrow margins or he would've lost.
It was very close race. Presidential races are rarely shoo-ins. There hasn't been a landslide win since Reagan vs. Mondale.
Apologies, I read that part wrong.

For me, he's DEFINITELY the lesser of two evils. Both because I don't agree with everything he stands for politically; and unfortunately the other stuff that for me is way more important than politics. I don't like having to choose between a womanizing egomaniac who thinks "grab 'em by the pussy" is ok....and a guy that to date has been accused of sexual assault or sexual misconduct by at least 8 women.

I'll be withholding my vote this fall is my guess. I can't in good conscience vote for someone who seems to lack character.
That's perfectly fine by me. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I'm just expressing mine and the rationale behind it. We can agree to disagree.

Trump will almost certainly win Montana and our three electoral votes almost certainly won't be the deciding votes in the election.
I agree.

I'm pretty young yet. Only in my forties. My hope is someday we have two candidates that have never been accused of any type of sexual assault. Or any other stupid things crappy people do. I believe that there are great people out there. I believe there are a ton of men, and women, who have never been accused of sexual misconduct even once. Now getting these people to run for president is another story.

I wouldn't respect my neighbor or a friend of a friend if they thought sexual assault is ok. I certainly can't respect it from the most powerful person in the world. It's a crappy feeling to have to be honest.



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Re: Ah heck, just allow ballots drawn w/crayons

Post by Cataholic » Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:32 pm

iaafan wrote: ↑
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I am sure that mit romney and john kasich agree wholeheartedly...
Trump grabbing women by the *****, doesn't matter. Trump having affair with pornstar, that's okay. Trump not listening to intel about Russian hacking elections, doesn't matter. Trump's quid pro quo with Ukraine, that's okay (he learned his lesson Susan Collins says). Elected republican officials disagreeing with Trump, doesn't matter. Staff calling Trump a moron and doing damage to the country, no biggy. Trump saying he can shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose a voter, yep! Trump suggesting injecting Lysol to cure Covid, no problem. Trump saying Covid will be over in a week, by Easter, by this summer...that's okay.

But, ya know, Biden's worse.
The saddest part about this whole thing, (which I agree with all of it) is you just might be right about Biden. Which is just lousy for our country once again. :cry:
I don't understand what you mean about being right about Biden.
Hahaha! You said Biden is worse and he agreed!!

Unfortunately, he is right. This is just a few of what a Biden/Harris administration offers:

Eliminate fracking and fossil fuel energy - leads to significantly higher costs for fuel and electricity, fewer high paying energy jobs and allows foreign powers to build a β€œwar chest” with an energy industry that does not include the US.

Open borders will allow the free movement of criminals into the US.

Less police protection as funds are distributed elsewhere.

Free healthcare to everyone, including illegal immigrants that don’t pay any taxes.

Free higher education. Of course, someone has to pay for it, so I fully expect that many of our taxes will increase significantly.

Very important, but Biden’s mental acuity has regressed. There is no way around it. Harris will be taking charge of the administration at some point. Even if Harris does not take charge, Biden does not have the wherewithal to make independent decisions. To select the VP, he formed a committee and let them decide!

And of course higher tax rates. I am guessing that many MSU graduates will be paying significantly higher tax rates. Someone has to pay for all the free stuff.

Also, note that Biden and the Dems do not talk about their policies. They are fixated on just saying how bad Trump is. IAA did it above. The DNC is doing it right now. They can’t win on policy so they trash the incumbent.
Eliminating fossil fuels opens up jobs in alternate clean energy.

Closed borders allow ONLY criminals into the US.

Distributing funds elsewhere puts tasks in the hands of people that can handle them.

Free? healthcare is working in almost every developed country. Are you saying we're not a developed country, so we can't pull off single-payer healthcare, which saves money overall.

Free higher ed. Pays for itself. More educated people, more high paying jobs, more taxes paid.

Biden's mental has not regressed. He has a speech impediment that causes him to appear to not be clicking, but he's been this way his entire life. He's quite capable of making independent decisions. What a stupid thing to say.

Someone has to pay for the all the stuff we haven't been paying for since Trump took office. Eventually. This is how the republican presidents, every-single-one-since-Coolidge, create recessions. They're very good at it. Bush was amazing at creating a recession. Trump's will top that.

What? If this is the case, then it's a first. Democrats (progressives) have policies and new ideas. Republicans (conservatives) just want to maintain the status quo, thus no policies needed. Trump has to be trashed. Not trashing Trump is doing what Lindsay Graham is doing, which is giving him a pass. The guy is a walking, talking time bomb and a global joke. I wouldn't even call it trashing, they're just pointing out what factual idiot he is. "Here, inject some Lysol!"
Thank you for the laugh! You are off on every single point. The scary thing is that you actually believe that garbage! Let’s just use the first point as an example. There are three oil refineries in the Billings/Laurel area that employ about 1,200 people. Those refineries also have a huge direct impact on the tax base funding schools, police, jails, road maintenance, firefighters, etc. Those refineries and the 1,200 jobs supports many, many business from restaurants to retailers to gas stations. Please explain how eliminating all those high paying jobs in Billings will be replaced by green energy.



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Re: Ah heck, just allow ballots drawn w/crayons

Post by iaafan » Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:50 pm

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Trump grabbing women by the *****, doesn't matter. Trump having affair with pornstar, that's okay. Trump not listening to intel about Russian hacking elections, doesn't matter. Trump's quid pro quo with Ukraine, that's okay (he learned his lesson Susan Collins says). Elected republican officials disagreeing with Trump, doesn't matter. Staff calling Trump a moron and doing damage to the country, no biggy. Trump saying he can shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose a voter, yep! Trump suggesting injecting Lysol to cure Covid, no problem. Trump saying Covid will be over in a week, by Easter, by this summer...that's okay.

But, ya know, Biden's worse.
The saddest part about this whole thing, (which I agree with all of it) is you just might be right about Biden. Which is just lousy for our country once again. :cry:
I don't understand what you mean about being right about Biden.
You said, "but, ya know, Biden's worse". Obviously tongue in cheek.

I was pointing out, that despite all the terrible crap you mentioned about Trump, which I agree with, there is still a chance that Biden is worse.

It's everything that is terrible about politics. We don't seem to have many good choices. And people are so quick to support a party and blast another party, that they'll ignore every terrible thing "their" guy does; and be the first to call out every terrible thing the "other" guy does wrong.

Until people started seeing that many of them are pretty ****** options, and not just supporting a person because they're convinced that person is the lesser of two evils, we'll continue having ****** choices. It's frustrating to see.
Oh, OK, yes that was tongue in cheek.

Yes, there's always a chance of that. That's kind of Trump-speak though. There's a chance Lysol works, there's a chance Russia isn't meddling in elections, there's a chance the virus goes away in a week....in April...in the summer...

It's not about blasting a party so much as it is an individual and the people that support that individual. I'm not going to sit hear and tell you I don't disagree a lot with Reagan and Bush, but this B.S. from Trump is just off the charts. So, no, it's not a politics thing. There are prominent republicans that are besides themselves about Trump. They're much harder on him than any democrat is on him.

I don't think Biden is a lesser of two evils choice. Biden is in same mold of Reagan, Carter, Obama, Bush Sr., Clinton. He's not in the mold of Trump. This stuff people are coming up with on Biden is just a counter-measure to all the things people (from both sides of the aisle) are, justifiably, saying about Trump.

When's the last time you've seen so many people from the party of the president in power turn against that president? And they aren't all turning on the party, they're just turning Trump. They'd like to have a republican in the oval office, but not Trump.
You said it perfectly. In your opinion he's the lesser of two evils. Which is so frustrating to me that this is how we have to pick the people running our country. Of course, many people who don't share his views on politics may think Trump is the lesser of two evils. And aside from politics, he's been accused of sexual assault by at least 8 women so far. Will more come forward as we gear up for the election?

Even if you agree with every single thing politically with either one of these guys, you still have terrible choices to make. A guy who grabs women by their pussies and has ties to pedophiles, or maybe the other guy who appears to be senile that has been accused several times of sexual assault that we know about?

I think both choices are garbage. I'm hoping I'm alive to see the day we have decent choices, and don't just handcuff ourselves to a party, regardless of how ****** that person is. We're seeing this first hand right now. How Trump is our president is an absolute joke. But he got to go against Hillary so he was a shoe-in. And as much as I despise a lot about him, if the best we can throw against him is Joe Biden, I won't be shocked at all if the Donald is our leader for 4 more years.... :sick:
Umm, not I'm not saying he's the lesser of two evils. I think he's a decent person, who has a lot of political knowledge and will do a good job of unifying this country, which it's sadly in need of. He doesn't appear to be senile. He appears to be the same way he was 20 years ago. He has a speech impediment. He's acted and sounded this way for years. Has nothing to do with senility.

Trump wasn't a shoo-in. He barely won the election. Lost the popular vote. Won four swing states by narrow margins or he would've lost.
It was very close race. Presidential races are rarely shoo-ins. There hasn't been a landslide win since Reagan vs. Mondale.
Apologies, I read that part wrong.

For me, he's DEFINITELY the lesser of two evils. Both because I don't agree with everything he stands for politically; and unfortunately the other stuff that for me is way more important than politics. I don't like having to choose between a womanizing egomaniac who thinks "grab 'em by the pussy" is ok....and a guy that to date has been accused of sexual assault or sexual misconduct by at least 8 women.

I'll be withholding my vote this fall is my guess. I can't in good conscience vote for someone who seems to lack character.
That's perfectly fine by me. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I'm just expressing mine and the rationale behind it. We can agree to disagree.

Trump will almost certainly win Montana and our three electoral votes almost certainly won't be the deciding votes in the election.
I agree.

I'm pretty young yet. Only in my forties. My hope is someday we have two candidates that have never been accused of any type of sexual assault. Or any other stupid things crappy people do. I believe that there are great people out there. I believe there are a ton of men, and women, who have never been accused of sexual misconduct even once. Now getting these people to run for president is another story.

I wouldn't respect my neighbor or a friend of a friend if they thought sexual assault is ok. I certainly can't respect it from the most powerful person in the world. It's a crappy feeling to have to be honest.
Sexual assault certainly isn't OK. Being accused of it and outright admitting that you do it are two different things, so I can see your lesser of two evils stance on that. Both Trump and Biden are from a bygone era where many forms of sexual assault were commonplace. Taps on the butt, drunken groping, wolf-whistles, ogling, Playboy mag left "accidentally" on the desk in plain view, etc. But that doesn't make it OK.

Here are Biden's 8 sexual assaults/misconducts:
Reade 1993 - digital penetration underskirt; pressed against wall
Flores 2014 - kissed head openly at campaign event
Coll 2008 - "nice smile" grabbed shoulders too long
Karsek 2016 - held hands too long; touched foreheads
Stokes 2009 - pulled her face close to him
Caruso 2016 - hugged too long
Hill 2012 - hand on shoulder moved down her back
Yount 2013 - forehead to forehead with hand on back of her head; "pretty girl"
13-year old 2019 - told her brothers to keep guys away.

Reade has since been accused of being "manipulative, deceitful, user" by people that know her. That doesn't mean she's lying, but there's a litany of people that are doubting her story.



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Re: Ah heck, just allow ballots drawn w/crayons

Post by ilovethecats » Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:05 pm

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The saddest part about this whole thing, (which I agree with all of it) is you just might be right about Biden. Which is just lousy for our country once again. :cry:
I don't understand what you mean about being right about Biden.
You said, "but, ya know, Biden's worse". Obviously tongue in cheek.

I was pointing out, that despite all the terrible crap you mentioned about Trump, which I agree with, there is still a chance that Biden is worse.

It's everything that is terrible about politics. We don't seem to have many good choices. And people are so quick to support a party and blast another party, that they'll ignore every terrible thing "their" guy does; and be the first to call out every terrible thing the "other" guy does wrong.

Until people started seeing that many of them are pretty ****** options, and not just supporting a person because they're convinced that person is the lesser of two evils, we'll continue having ****** choices. It's frustrating to see.
Oh, OK, yes that was tongue in cheek.

Yes, there's always a chance of that. That's kind of Trump-speak though. There's a chance Lysol works, there's a chance Russia isn't meddling in elections, there's a chance the virus goes away in a week....in April...in the summer...

It's not about blasting a party so much as it is an individual and the people that support that individual. I'm not going to sit hear and tell you I don't disagree a lot with Reagan and Bush, but this B.S. from Trump is just off the charts. So, no, it's not a politics thing. There are prominent republicans that are besides themselves about Trump. They're much harder on him than any democrat is on him.

I don't think Biden is a lesser of two evils choice. Biden is in same mold of Reagan, Carter, Obama, Bush Sr., Clinton. He's not in the mold of Trump. This stuff people are coming up with on Biden is just a counter-measure to all the things people (from both sides of the aisle) are, justifiably, saying about Trump.

When's the last time you've seen so many people from the party of the president in power turn against that president? And they aren't all turning on the party, they're just turning Trump. They'd like to have a republican in the oval office, but not Trump.
You said it perfectly. In your opinion he's the lesser of two evils. Which is so frustrating to me that this is how we have to pick the people running our country. Of course, many people who don't share his views on politics may think Trump is the lesser of two evils. And aside from politics, he's been accused of sexual assault by at least 8 women so far. Will more come forward as we gear up for the election?

Even if you agree with every single thing politically with either one of these guys, you still have terrible choices to make. A guy who grabs women by their pussies and has ties to pedophiles, or maybe the other guy who appears to be senile that has been accused several times of sexual assault that we know about?

I think both choices are garbage. I'm hoping I'm alive to see the day we have decent choices, and don't just handcuff ourselves to a party, regardless of how ****** that person is. We're seeing this first hand right now. How Trump is our president is an absolute joke. But he got to go against Hillary so he was a shoe-in. And as much as I despise a lot about him, if the best we can throw against him is Joe Biden, I won't be shocked at all if the Donald is our leader for 4 more years.... :sick:
Umm, not I'm not saying he's the lesser of two evils. I think he's a decent person, who has a lot of political knowledge and will do a good job of unifying this country, which it's sadly in need of. He doesn't appear to be senile. He appears to be the same way he was 20 years ago. He has a speech impediment. He's acted and sounded this way for years. Has nothing to do with senility.

Trump wasn't a shoo-in. He barely won the election. Lost the popular vote. Won four swing states by narrow margins or he would've lost.
It was very close race. Presidential races are rarely shoo-ins. There hasn't been a landslide win since Reagan vs. Mondale.
Apologies, I read that part wrong.

For me, he's DEFINITELY the lesser of two evils. Both because I don't agree with everything he stands for politically; and unfortunately the other stuff that for me is way more important than politics. I don't like having to choose between a womanizing egomaniac who thinks "grab 'em by the pussy" is ok....and a guy that to date has been accused of sexual assault or sexual misconduct by at least 8 women.

I'll be withholding my vote this fall is my guess. I can't in good conscience vote for someone who seems to lack character.
That's perfectly fine by me. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I'm just expressing mine and the rationale behind it. We can agree to disagree.

Trump will almost certainly win Montana and our three electoral votes almost certainly won't be the deciding votes in the election.
I agree.

I'm pretty young yet. Only in my forties. My hope is someday we have two candidates that have never been accused of any type of sexual assault. Or any other stupid things crappy people do. I believe that there are great people out there. I believe there are a ton of men, and women, who have never been accused of sexual misconduct even once. Now getting these people to run for president is another story.

I wouldn't respect my neighbor or a friend of a friend if they thought sexual assault is ok. I certainly can't respect it from the most powerful person in the world. It's a crappy feeling to have to be honest.
Sexual assault certainly isn't OK. Being accused of it and outright admitting that you do it are two different things, so I can see your lesser of two evils stance on that. Both Trump and Biden are from a bygone era where many forms of sexual assault were commonplace. Taps on the butt, drunken groping, wolf-whistles, ogling, Playboy mag left "accidentally" on the desk in plain view, etc. But that doesn't make it OK.

Here are Biden's 8 sexual assaults/misconducts:
Reade 1993 - digital penetration underskirt; pressed against wall
Flores 2014 - kissed head openly at campaign event
Coll 2008 - "nice smile" grabbed shoulders too long
Karsek 2016 - held hands too long; touched foreheads
Stokes 2009 - pulled her face close to him
Caruso 2016 - hugged too long
Hill 2012 - hand on shoulder moved down her back
Yount 2013 - forehead to forehead with hand on back of her head; "pretty girl"
13-year old 2019 - told her brothers to keep guys away.

Reade has since been accused of being "manipulative, deceitful, user" by people that know her. That doesn't mean she's lying, but there's a litany of people that are doubting her story.
Man. When you read them all in a row like that it is just cringeworthy.

Obviously there is a difference between allegations and being guilty. I just know that I'm in my forties and haven't been accused of any sexual misconduct even once. No one in my family has. I don't know anyone that has. So my opinion is that it is not very difficult to not EVER be accused of sexual assault. Plenty of people go their entire lives without a single accusation. So I don't love the fact that the guy I'm supposed to vote for, to run our country, and is supposedly a great guy; has not been accused of sexual misconduct by one woman, or two, or three, or five, or seven....but EIGHT separate women on eight different occasions. That is too difficult for me to ignore.



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