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grizgirl
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by grizgirl » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:43 am
Hillary never "demanded" a recount. Jill Stein of the Green Party initiated the recount along with another small party presidential candidate. Other than the headline in that story you provided the link for there isn't anything about a direct statement from Clinton demanding a recount. Here's the statement from her campaign counsel announcing their involvement in the recount:
"Beyond the post-election audit, Green Party candidate Jill Stein announced Friday that she will exercise her right as a candidate to pursue a recount in the state of Wisconsin. She has indicated plans to also seek recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan.
Because we had not uncovered any actionable evidence of a hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology, we had not planned to exercise ourselves, but now that a recount has been initiated in Wisconsin, we intend to participate in order to ensure the process proceeds in a manner that is fair to all sides. If Jill Stein follows through as she has promised and pursues recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan, we will take the same approach in those states as well."
Sounds more like they participated in a recount with Jill Stein and the other candidate after they had already initiated a recount. The reason for participating was to ensure it was done fairly. At least that's what they're on record saying. Of course, that could all be spin and they're just wording things to cover their true intention, but the headline makes it sound like Clinton herself was bellowing out that she's demanding a recount. That never happened, not publicly.
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grizgirl
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by grizgirl » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:59 am
She claimed voter suppression after an Associated Press investigation revealed that her opponent's office had 53,000 voter registration applicants still pending, 70 percent of whom were African-American. Many of those prospective voters may not have even known their registrations were on hold, the report said.
If the AP or any other news source does an investigation and finds something similar to that in the Trump v Biden election, please provide a link and I'll gladly agree that the mainstream media should applaud Trump for challenging the election results.
She later stated, "I will pray for the success of Brian Kemp, that he will indeed be a leader for all Georgians." Please point it out if Trump ever says anything remotely similar to that about Biden.
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The Butcher
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by The Butcher » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:00 am
Trump won MI, PA and WI by 77,000 total votes and got 306 electoral votes. He received a concession speech from Clinton and a White House meeting with Obama 48 hours later. Biden won those three states by a combined 214,000 votes (and counting) and he’s on track for 306 electoral votes and Trump is claiming voter fraud. So there you go.
Also, McConnell acknowledges that the election led victories to GOP senators and House members. But for presidential race, he says "no states have yet certified their election results" and Pres. Trump is "100% within his rights" to weigh legal options. So the Senate and House votes are kosher, but the Presidential election on the same ballot is not. GOP hypocrisy on full display!
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Cataholic
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by Cataholic » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:07 pm
grizgirl wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:43 am
Hillary never "demanded" a recount. Jill Stein of the Green Party initiated the recount along with another small party presidential candidate. Other than the headline in that story you provided the link for there isn't anything about a direct statement from Clinton demanding a recount. Here's the statement from her campaign counsel announcing their involvement in the recount:
"Beyond the post-election audit, Green Party candidate Jill Stein announced Friday that she will exercise her right as a candidate to pursue a recount in the state of Wisconsin. She has indicated plans to also seek recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan.
Because we had not uncovered any actionable evidence of a hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology, we had not planned to exercise ourselves, but now that a recount has been initiated in Wisconsin, we intend to participate in order to ensure the process proceeds in a manner that is fair to all sides. If Jill Stein follows through as she has promised and pursues recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan, we will take the same approach in those states as well."
Sounds more like they participated in a recount with Jill Stein and the other candidate after they had already initiated a recount. The reason for participating was to ensure it was done fairly. At least that's what they're on record saying. Of course, that could all be spin and they're just wording things to cover their true intention, but the headline makes it sound like Clinton herself was bellowing out that she's demanding a recount. That never happened, not publicly.
I see your point. That seems to be a pretty favorable interpretation of Clinton’s support of the recount. It seems to me she could have said that an recount wasn’t necessary. Regardless, I find it very hypocritical that the media paints Trump as a sore loser but they were supportive of a recount in 2016.
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by CelticCat » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:32 pm
If there is voter fraud, it would have to be on such a massive, coordinated scale that it would go down as the biggest scandal is US history and would tear the fabric of this democracy apart.
I just don't see it, but much like with the Russia investigation I'm withholding my final judgment and opinion until everything goes through its respective process.
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BigBruceBaker
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by BigBruceBaker » Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:47 pm
CelticCat wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:32 pm
If there is voter fraud, it would have to be on such a massive, coordinated scale that it would go down as the biggest scandal is US history and would tear the fabric of this democracy apart.
I just don't see it, but much like with the Russia investigation I'm withholding my final judgment and opinion until everything goes through its respective process.
I agree, i 100% believe there has been some sort of cheating (by both parties voters) but on a miniscule scale, 10-20 ballots doesn't make a hill of difference. At this point it would need to be a few 100,000 votes to swing in Trumps favor across 3-5 states. Trump lost the election, lets get on with life.
I'll be supporting President Biden and hoping he does a great job for our country.
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by wbtfg » Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:13 am
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by The Butcher » Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:38 am
Right now David Perdue basically sums up GOP hypocrisy. There is a pandemic raging across the country and Perdue was downplaying the situation while enriching himself with insider trading. This is a GOP senator... Disgusting.
The link below is the most recent reporting of Perdue's shady dealings:
https://www.salon.com/2020/12/02/david- ... a-vaccine/
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BigBruceBaker
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by BigBruceBaker » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:16 am
No GOP elected official has ever done anything good? NEVER? You can't EVER take them SERIOUS?
I'm not into name calling, but you are truly an idiot. This isn't a personal attack, its just the truth. For anyone to say/believe your statement is laughable.
I honestly feel sorry for you, your life must be MISERABLE.
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iaafan
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by iaafan » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:28 am
BigBruceBaker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:16 am
No GOP elected official has ever done anything good? NEVER? You can't EVER take them SERIOUS?
I'm not into name calling, but you are truly an idiot. This isn't a personal attack, its just the truth. For anyone to say/believe your statement is laughable.
I honestly feel sorry for you, your life must be MISERABLE.
He said current, and it was obvious hyperbole. The current GOP is collectively messed up. Not everyone. Not Mitt Romney, Gov. Kemp, and some others.
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BigBruceBaker
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by BigBruceBaker » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:41 am
iaafan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:28 am
BigBruceBaker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:16 am
No GOP elected official has ever done anything good? NEVER? You can't EVER take them SERIOUS?
I'm not into name calling, but you are truly an idiot. This isn't a personal attack, its just the truth. For anyone to say/believe your statement is laughable.
I honestly feel sorry for you, your life must be MISERABLE.
He said current, and it was obvious hyperbole. The current GOP is collectively messed up. Not everyone. Not Mitt Romney, Gov. Kemp, and some others.
....I mean with the Butcher it obviously isn't. OBVIOUSLY.
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The Butcher
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by The Butcher » Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:42 pm
iaafan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:28 am
BigBruceBaker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:16 am
No GOP elected official has ever done anything good? NEVER? You can't EVER take them SERIOUS?
I'm not into name calling, but you are truly an idiot. This isn't a personal attack, its just the truth. For anyone to say/believe your statement is laughable.
I honestly feel sorry for you, your life must be MISERABLE.
He said current, and it was obvious hyperbole. The current GOP is collectively messed up. Not everyone. Not Mitt Romney, Gov. Kemp, and some others.
I think BigBruce took a big swing and miss on my post.
All current GOPs are such snowflakes now days.

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by RickRund » Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:06 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:42 pm
iaafan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:28 am
BigBruceBaker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:16 am
No GOP elected official has ever done anything good? NEVER? You can't EVER take them SERIOUS?
I'm not into name calling, but you are truly an idiot. This isn't a personal attack, its just the truth. For anyone to say/believe your statement is laughable.
I honestly feel sorry for you, your life must be MISERABLE.
He said current, and it was obvious hyperbole. The current GOP is collectively messed up. Not everyone. Not Mitt Romney, Gov. Kemp, and some others.
I think BigBruce took a big swing and miss on my post.
All current GOPs are such snowflakes now days.
Then that means you are the massive snowman..
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BigBruceBaker
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by BigBruceBaker » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:07 pm
The Butcher wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:42 pm
iaafan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:28 am
BigBruceBaker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:16 am
No GOP elected official has ever done anything good? NEVER? You can't EVER take them SERIOUS?
I'm not into name calling, but you are truly an idiot. This isn't a personal attack, its just the truth. For anyone to say/believe your statement is laughable.
I honestly feel sorry for you, your life must be MISERABLE.
He said current, and it was obvious hyperbole. The current GOP is collectively messed up. Not everyone. Not Mitt Romney, Gov. Kemp, and some others.
I think BigBruce took a big swing and miss on my post.
All current GOPs are such snowflakes now days.

HAHA, you've spent a majority of your waking moments pointing out every single thing wrong with the GOP party. I know most of them, which is why I am not a GOP member.
The current height of hypocrisy is a bunch of liberal snowflakes calling gop snowflakes...snowflakes. That's funny! Might be the best thing you've written in a year.
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by The Butcher » Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:58 am
BigBruceBaker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:07 pm
The current height of hypocrisy is a bunch of liberal snowflakes calling gop snowflakes...snowflakes. That's funny! Might be the best thing you've written in a year.
If you can't see the joke in the post... well you don’t have much of a sense of humor.
I better dumb down my posts so you don't call me more names like your most recent "idiot" comment.
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by wbtfg » Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:13 pm
Where did it say he was sleeping with her? I missed that part.
I thought this was the most important part of the story.
“Investigators reportedly gave Swalwell a defensive briefing in 2015, and he cut ties with Fang soon after.”
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Cataholic
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by Cataholic » Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:19 pm
wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:13 pm
Where did it say he was sleeping with her? I missed that part.
I thought this was the most important part of the story.
“Investigators reportedly gave Swalwell a defensive briefing in 2015, and he cut ties with Fang soon after.”
She apparently had a history of sleeping with up and coming politicians... yikes..
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/swalwe ... onship.amp
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by wbtfg » Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:26 pm
Cataholic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:19 pm
wbtfg wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:13 pm
Where did it say he was sleeping with her? I missed that part.
I thought this was the most important part of the story.
“Investigators reportedly gave Swalwell a defensive briefing in 2015, and he cut ties with Fang soon after.”
She apparently had a history of sleeping with up and coming politicians... yikes..
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/swalwe ... onship.amp
“Fang reportedly helped fundraise for Swalwell's 2014 campaign and helped place at least one intern in his office.”
“An anonymous FBI official told the San Francisco Chronicle that "Swalwell was completely cooperative and under no suspicion of wrongdoing."”
From your article. No mention of a sexual relationship. No mention of any wrongdoing from swalwell.
I see she also raised funds for Tulsi.....does that mean.....?
Is there more info I’m missing?