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At what point?

Post by The Butcher » Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:05 pm

What would Trump have to say or do to make an American not support him?



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Re: At what point?

Post by 91catAlum » Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:51 am

The Butcher wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:05 pm
What would Trump have to say or do to make an American not support him?
It probably depends on the alternatives. Which right now, ain't much.

What would Biden have to say or do to lose your support? What if he wasn't able to put a coherent thought together very often and at times seemed like he might have early stage dementia... would that do it?


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Re: At what point?

Post by 77matcat » Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:58 am

Have you tried to listen to 45 discuss virtually anything????

Coherence isn’t his strong suit. Saying vague and confusing things that can be interpreted the way a listener wants to is his strong point.

😂🤣😂



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Re: At what point?

Post by 91catAlum » Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:05 am

77matcat wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:58 am
Have you tried to listen to 45 discuss virtually anything????

Coherence isn’t his strong suit. Saying vague and confusing things that can be interpreted the way a listener wants to is his strong point.

😂🤣😂
He loves to brag and stretch the truth and lacks a great vocabulary, but I haven't really noticed him get confused like Biden.

PS. I didn't vote for Trump.


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Re: At what point?

Post by 77matcat » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:50 am

Perhaps I’m expecting a president to communicate at Higher level than 4/5 grade, but I can’t recall may of his presentations that weren’t on teleprompter
(read) that he hasn’t shared his thoughts with broken and incomplete thoughts.



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Re: At what point?

Post by ilovethecats » Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:44 pm

The Butcher wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:05 pm
What would Trump have to say or do to make an American not support him?
Well statistically most people don’t support him.

That said, until people start thinking for themselves and not just backing a party 100% of the time no matter what, we’ll just keep going round and round.

Trump is an idiot. But he’s my president. He’s done boneheaded things. He’s also been blasted for everything he does by the other party. That will never change. He could literally cure cancer and half the country would have an issue with it.

No different than Obama. I liked his personality better. He did some good things. He also did stuff I thought was terrible for our country. But he was my president and I supported him. Regardless, half of the country hated him, and even accused him of not being a citizen. It was a joke.

Only when those of you just start thinking for yourselves, not solely backing a party, the better off we’ll be.

Even this thread on little ol’ bobcat Nation displays what is so bad about politics in this country and how obsessed people have become. :lol:



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Re: At what point?

Post by Cataholic » Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:39 pm

77matcat wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:50 am
Perhaps I’m expecting a president to communicate at Higher level than 4/5 grade, but I can’t recall may of his presentations that weren’t on teleprompter
(read) that he hasn’t shared his thoughts with broken and incomplete thoughts.
He is president of the United States and a successful businessman. I am pretty sure he communicates at a much higher level than you portray above.

It is absolutely insane for any democrat to say Trump is a poor communicator when Biden can’t put more three coherent sentences together. A presidential debate will be so one sided in Trump’s favor that Democrats will be trying to figure out a way to remove Biden as their candidate.



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Re: At what point?

Post by The Butcher » Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:21 am

ilovethecats wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:44 pm
He could literally cure cancer and half the country would have an issue with it.
Well he said he would cure cancer... :lol: :lol: :lol:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... tly-2019-8
Cataholic wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:39 pm
He is president of the United States and a successful businessman.
I still do not understand how people can think this...
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05 ... sinessman



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Re: At what point?

Post by iaafan » Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:48 am

The Butcher wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:21 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:44 pm
He could literally cure cancer and half the country would have an issue with it.
Well he said he would cure cancer... :lol: :lol: :lol:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... tly-2019-8
Cataholic wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:39 pm
He is president of the United States and a successful businessman.
I still do not understand how people can think this...
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05 ... sinessman
I'm 100% sure that if Trump cured cancer way over 50% would not have an issue with it. I haven't completely lost faith in everyone...yet. Not sure how he'd ever do that, but if he did not only would people overwhelmingly not have an issue with it, many would re-think what they thought about a lot of his other decisions.

We'll never really know if Trump's a good businessman or not until he at least releases his tax returns. We know about all of his bankrupt casinos, which if you're a good businessman, is hard to do. It'd be interesting to see just how/if he made all his money and how much debt he has. I'm not saying he is or isn't, just saying it's hard to say. Some people say that if he'd just taken all the money his dad gave him, he'd be better off if he'd just invested it all in the stock market.



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Re: At what point?

Post by Cataholic » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:03 am

The Butcher wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:21 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:44 pm
He could literally cure cancer and half the country would have an issue with it.
Well he said he would cure cancer... :lol: :lol: :lol:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... tly-2019-8
Cataholic wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:39 pm
He is president of the United States and a successful businessman.
I still do not understand how people can think this...
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05 ... sinessman
Has Vanity Affair ever written a piece complimentary of Trump, or maybe even complimentary of any conservative? Here is a piece from Forbes:

https://www.forbes.com/profile/donald-t ... 14972847bd

Given his net worth is currently at $2.1 Billion ($3.1 Billion prior to Covid), I would say that Trump has been reasonably successful.



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Re: At what point?

Post by iaafan » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:22 am

Cataholic wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:03 am
The Butcher wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:21 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:44 pm
He could literally cure cancer and half the country would have an issue with it.
Well he said he would cure cancer... :lol: :lol: :lol:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... tly-2019-8
Cataholic wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:39 pm
He is president of the United States and a successful businessman.
I still do not understand how people can think this...
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05 ... sinessman
Has Vanity Affair ever written a piece complimentary of Trump, or maybe even complimentary of any conservative? Here is a piece from Forbes:

https://www.forbes.com/profile/donald-t ... 14972847bd

Given his net worth is currently at $2.1 Billion ($3.1 Billion prior to Covid), I would say that Trump has been reasonably successful.
He claimed to have $7 billion in 2012 and Forbes had him at $4.5 billion in 2015. If those are accurate and he now has $2.1 billion, I guess you can still say he's a good businessman since he has $2.1 billion, but he's also lost between $2.4 billion and $4.9 billion, which isn't good. Someone, Melania and his kids, isn't happy about that. It'll be interesting when he cuts up his money in his will.



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Re: At what point?

Post by wapiti » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:40 am

At what point do Biden supporters finally pull their support from Biden???
He is a known plagiarist.
and read this thread: https://bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/viewt ... 25&t=48858



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Re: At what point?

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Re: At what point?

Post by Cataholic » Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:00 am

iaafan wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:22 am
Cataholic wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:03 am
The Butcher wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:21 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:44 pm
He could literally cure cancer and half the country would have an issue with it.
Well he said he would cure cancer... :lol: :lol: :lol:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... tly-2019-8
Cataholic wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:39 pm
He is president of the United States and a successful businessman.
I still do not understand how people can think this...
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05 ... sinessman
Has Vanity Affair ever written a piece complimentary of Trump, or maybe even complimentary of any conservative? Here is a piece from Forbes:

https://www.forbes.com/profile/donald-t ... 14972847bd

Given his net worth is currently at $2.1 Billion ($3.1 Billion prior to Covid), I would say that Trump has been reasonably successful.
He claimed to have $7 billion in 2012 and Forbes had him at $4.5 billion in 2015. If those are accurate and he now has $2.1 billion, I guess you can still say he's a good businessman since he has $2.1 billion, but he's also lost between $2.4 billion and $4.9 billion, which isn't good. Someone, Melania and his kids, isn't happy about that. It'll be interesting when he cuts up his money in his will.
Do you realize how petty and trivial you look claiming that Trump is not a successful business person? Dennis Washington has had a number of business setbacks, yet I would never claim he is not a successful business person. Trump’s assets are primarily in real estate which has seen a drop in value as brick and mortar businesses suffer and Covid continues to decimate the hotel and lodging industry.

Warren Buffet’s net worth has decreased from $88 billion in 2015 to $67 billion in 2020. Based on your rationale, that guy must be an awful business man!



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Re: At what point?

Post by 91catAlum » Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:44 am

Cataholic wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:03 am
The Butcher wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:21 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:44 pm
He could literally cure cancer and half the country would have an issue with it.
Well he said he would cure cancer... :lol: :lol: :lol:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... tly-2019-8
Cataholic wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:39 pm
He is president of the United States and a successful businessman.
I still do not understand how people can think this...
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05 ... sinessman
Has Vanity Affair ever written a piece complimentary of Trump...?
No, but neither has ABC, NBC, CBS, NYT, Wapo, CNN. Not 1 single positive story about Trump, with no caveats or anything, just a story that is directly positive about Trump since he became president. Not ONE.

But there is no media bias. Its all just a figment of your imagination.


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Re: At what point?

Post by hokeyfine » Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:35 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:44 am
Cataholic wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:03 am
The Butcher wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:21 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:44 pm
He could literally cure cancer and half the country would have an issue with it.
Well he said he would cure cancer... :lol: :lol: :lol:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... tly-2019-8
Cataholic wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:39 pm
He is president of the United States and a successful businessman.
I still do not understand how people can think this...
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05 ... sinessman
Has Vanity Affair ever written a piece complimentary of Trump...?
No, but neither has ABC, NBC, CBS, NYT, Wapo, CNN. Not 1 single positive story about Trump, with no caveats or anything, just a story that is directly positive about Trump since he became president. Not ONE.

But there is no media bias. Its all just a figment of your imagination.
i think they were all positive about his prison reform.....



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Re: At what point?

Post by TomCat88 » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:00 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:44 am
Cataholic wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:03 am
The Butcher wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:21 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:44 pm
He could literally cure cancer and half the country would have an issue with it.
Well he said he would cure cancer... :lol: :lol: :lol:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... tly-2019-8
Cataholic wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:39 pm
He is president of the United States and a successful businessman.
I still do not understand how people can think this...
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05 ... sinessman
Has Vanity Affair ever written a piece complimentary of Trump...?
No, but neither has ABC, NBC, CBS, NYT, Wapo, CNN. Not 1 single positive story about Trump, with no caveats or anything, just a story that is directly positive about Trump since he became president. Not ONE.

But there is no media bias. Its all just a figment of your imagination.
Then again, what's he done to prompt a positive story? If you tell me that, I'll do a search on it and see if any of the above has done anything on him. I thought his pre-president persona was just an act (Obama from Kenya; Central Park Five; playboy millionaire, etc.) and thought he'd be able to at least act presidential and therefore develop some ideas that would be good for a majority of Americans. He may have, but all the bad stuff has overwhelmed anything good he may have done, but I'm willing to hear you out on this.

He's had some accomplishments (huge tax reductions for the rich), but they haven't been overly popular and haven't had the desired effect on the middle/lower classes. Businesses haven't used the tax breaks on raises in very many cases and most raises haven't been significant.


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Re: At what point?

Post by 77matcat » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:56 am

It’s not my opinion that 45 speaks at a grade school level. Linguists have stated the same. Not only does he speak at a grade school level, he often makes conflicting
assertions in one sentence immediately following the first assertion.

As far as 45s business acumen, research a lil regarding Fred’s business practices, how Fred’s money flowed to 45, what $413 million in the 80s would be worth today, how many times has 45 declared bankruptcy, how many small businesses and their employees got 50 cents on the dollar owed them as a result of these bankruptcys while 45 continued to suck cash from these companies, how many US banks were willing to lend him $ before Deutsche bailed him out, How many students were happy with his school, how many people besides 45’s family were helped by his foundation and so many more I’m not taking the time to list not to mention his moral Issues.

A swell fellow indeed.



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Re: At what point?

Post by Cataholic » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:43 am

TomCat88 wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:00 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:44 am
Cataholic wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:03 am
The Butcher wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:21 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:44 pm
He could literally cure cancer and half the country would have an issue with it.
Well he said he would cure cancer... :lol: :lol: :lol:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... tly-2019-8
Cataholic wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:39 pm
He is president of the United States and a successful businessman.
I still do not understand how people can think this...
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05 ... sinessman
Has Vanity Affair ever written a piece complimentary of Trump...?
No, but neither has ABC, NBC, CBS, NYT, Wapo, CNN. Not 1 single positive story about Trump, with no caveats or anything, just a story that is directly positive about Trump since he became president. Not ONE.

But there is no media bias. Its all just a figment of your imagination.
Then again, what's he done to prompt a positive story? If you tell me that, I'll do a search on it and see if any of the above has done anything on him. I thought his pre-president persona was just an act (Obama from Kenya; Central Park Five; playboy millionaire, etc.) and thought he'd be able to at least act presidential and therefore develop some ideas that would be good for a majority of Americans. He may have, but all the bad stuff has overwhelmed anything good he may have done, but I'm willing to hear you out on this.

He's had some accomplishments (huge tax reductions for the rich), but they haven't been overly popular and haven't had the desired effect on the middle/lower classes. Businesses haven't used the tax breaks on raises in very many cases and most raises haven't been significant.
Here is an article of things that Trump has accomplished while in office.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wash ... se-keeping

I don’t agree with some of the items on the list, but to claim that he hasn’t done anything while in office is ridiculous. Here are a couple that stand out:

His economic policies have created historic lows for unemployment. The unemployment rates for minorities had never been so low.

Terminated old and created new trade deals with Mexico, Canada and South Korea.

The US has become a world leader in energy under Trumps administration. The US is now the number one producer of crude oil in the world. This energy independence has created jobs and also the ability to make global policy decisions without fearing how the Middle East will respond.

Trump ordered the raid that killed Baghdadi, a terrorist who has killed many Americans. This was part of his efforts to completely eliminate ISIS which had grown in power under Obama’s admin.

Pulled out of the awful Iran nuclear deal and placed multiple economic constraints on their economy.

With his threat to pull out of NATO, he has forced NATO allies to contribute significantly more than previous presidential administrations.

Implemented the First Step Act which was focused on addressing the past policies of “mass incarceration”. It was fully supported by both parties.

Just last week, Trump signed an executive order for police reform. It was one of the first significant policies for police reform in decades, including the Obama admin which experienced similar unrest with the police (such as Ferguson). Despite this historic step, you only saw criticism in the press and a google search today on Trump executive order will yield results focused on Trump’s immigration ban as a result of Covid.



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