What the hell is your problem? The vitriol you express is overwhelming. You need to step away and take a chill pill.iaafan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:25 amIf you think the democrat party is has moved far left, you have very little knowledge of the party over the past 80 years. That's borderline ignorance on your part. It isn't anything you have to study to know, but you can look it up. However, I doubt that you do as it doesn't agree with your own, completely inaccurate as it is, opinion. The party, especially presidential candidates, moved toward the middle when Clinton was elected and has remained there ever since. The fact that you don't know this casts a shadow over any commentary you have about the democrat party or politics in general. To say the party has moved far left, shows that you aren't putting much thought into what you're saying. Between you, Rich K, Rich Rund, and codecat people become less informed with every keystroke you put into this message board. You should try to get on page with 91 or follow George Will and other more traditional republicans, who can explain what's going on politically. Even your commentary on MSU football is overly biased and flowery. Seems to be personality trait/flaw. There's no two sides of an issue for you, it all has to feed into your viewpoint.Cataholic wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:57 pmI is good to hear a perspective from someone other than WBTG or iAA or the butcher when they see faults with each candidate. When it comes from those three, I immediately discount because they are so far on the left.BozoneCat wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:40 pmUh yeah, I’ve watched countless Trump press conferences all the way through. They are painful. He is incapable of answering simple questions with a simple answer. He lies, but all politicians do, so I don’t hold that against him any more than I do the others. I think there’s a difference in lying vs. purely making random sh*t up, but whatever. But the vile hate that just emanates from him with every word he speaks, I can’t get past that. He can say he wants to unify people, but every other word puts down some group of people and every action goes directly against that goal. I don’t think anything has been taken out of context, there are literally hundreds of examples of statements from him that are subtly or blatantly racist and/or hateful.technoCat wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:11 pmHave you watched a full conference of his all the way through? He is the only candidate talking about unifying people and not just bending over backwards for minorities. He talks about ALL Americans, not just those groups currently politically advantageous to talk about. 99% of the reasons people think he's racist/hatemongering come from either quotes taken out of context or anecdotal evidence from people that are just trying to get their 15 minutes.BozoneCat wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:51 pmI don't know that I agree that Trump did great in the 2016 debates. I actually thought he did somewhat poorly, he's just not a very well-spoken guy - and I WANTED him to do well! I still voted for him in 2016, but it was more for 1.) anti-Hillary and 2.) I wanted to see somebody that wasn't a career politician that would run the country more as a business and not pander to the lobbyists. Now that I have 3+ years of data on watching how Trump has run his administration and this country, I am convinced that he is the embodiment of pure hatred and him winning this election would have absolute dire consequences for this country. As I've said, I'm not sure yet that I'll vote for Biden, as I don't believe in casting my vote for someone I don't believe in, but there is literally nothing that could convince me to vote for Trump again. I don't care if he enacted a policy all by himself that grew my 401K by 10,000% in the next 6 months, I wouldn't vote for him. Biden is kind of a "meh" candidate to me, but he doesn't scare my like Bernie would have.91catAlum wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:40 pmWell, Trump did win the last election, so he must have not completely blown it in the 2016 debates...BozoneCat wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:36 pmI completely agree with this. I believe that the Presidential debates are a very important institution in our election cycle. There is no good medical reason why we couldn't have these and safely maintain all precautions.
Without disagreeing about your statements re: Biden... I think you vastly overestimate Trump's debating abilities. When Biden has his regular missteps, it comes across as "old man getting dementia" kind of stuff. When Trump has his daily missteps, it comes across more as "angry old bigoted/racist/rich/narcissist" kind of stuff.
The debates are going to be for the ages - just not in a good way. But I won't miss a second of them.
I agree, the debates will be must-see TV and not in a good way.
Biden has spent 50 years in politics and has shown time and again that he thinks minorities are lesser people that need him to take care of them.
There needs to be debates and people need to watch to hear what Trump is actually saying and not just what they get spoon fed by people interpreting/inferring/lying about what he said.
As I said, I’m not a big fan of Biden either. But I do think he’s at least a better human being than Trump. I agree with you that I don’t think it helps a society to give handouts, etc. and create need, but I can at least respect that people who think this way are coming from a place of caring about other people less fortunate than themselves. I don’t feel like Trump cares about anyone other than himself, and that includes (sadly) his wife and children.
No question Trump is a selfish person. Anybody who is constantly saying “I” did this or “I” did that is a good indicator of arrogance and selfishness. I have stated many times that Trump is a flawed person. It is amazing that another quality candidate has not emerged.
My concern with the Democratic Party is policy and how far they have moved to the left. I am really scared what damage Biden and the dems could do in office. Somebody has to pay for the socialist liberal policies, and it will be the middle class and rich.
There are a lot of democrats that would prefer Bernie Sanders be the presidential candidate. His policies are similar to FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson. No one on the right would be up in arms about him anymore than they were from the 30s to the 70s with any democrat presidential candidate, if he was one. Democrats held the presidency and usually the congress a huge majority of the time during that era. 24 of 32 years in the oval office and I believe even more in both houses. Many democrats feel that their voters will get out more with candidates like Bernie and AOC, than they do with the Clintons or Biden style.
The republican party moved to the right during the Tea Party movement and has not come back completely. The Tea Party didn't get everything it wanted, but it did set the tone for how the republican party acts now: politics of angry, which Trump has basked in.
As for the Democratic Party not being so far left, it might be one of the most comical things ever posted on BN. Then you topped that by comparing Bernie Sanders with FDR, Truman, Kennedy and Johnson! OMG! That is golden! I wonder if those presidents honeymooned in Russia as well??
In regard to history of the Democratic Party, I will acknowledge that I am no historian. However, I am 100% certain that today’s Democratic Party is too far to the left for my support. It used to be the party that focused on workers rights and unions.
“Politics of the angry”?? Have you read your posts? How about Pelosi, Schiff or Schumer statements? The rioting? And somehow the Republican Party is angry? I have acknowledged many times that Trump is flawed, but to call the Republican Party the “angry” Party is just not true.
As for Bobcat football and my “flowery” views, I am a Bobcat fan - so please excuse my bias! Given we are the Bobcat forum, seemed like a great place to express my optimism.
And did you even think about how the statement “there is no two sides of an issue for you” perfectly describes you! Seriously, you just lumped Bernie Sanders in with Kennedy.