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Re: Please joe, you have embarrassed yourself enough

Post by technoCat » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:11 pm

BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:51 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:40 pm
BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:36 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:46 am
There is zero reason to not have a presidential debate. They can do it in a TV studio with no crowd. They could actually do it via video if needed.
I completely agree with this. I believe that the Presidential debates are a very important institution in our election cycle. There is no good medical reason why we couldn't have these and safely maintain all precautions.
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:46 am
Actually, there is one reason to not do it: Biden would would be exposed. In the democratic debates, he shared the stage with 10+ people and performed poorly. A one on one with Trump will be ugly.
Without disagreeing about your statements re: Biden... I think you vastly overestimate Trump's debating abilities. When Biden has his regular missteps, it comes across as "old man getting dementia" kind of stuff. When Trump has his daily missteps, it comes across more as "angry old bigoted/racist/rich/narcissist" kind of stuff.

The debates are going to be for the ages - just not in a good way. But I won't miss a second of them.
Well, Trump did win the last election, so he must have not completely blown it in the 2016 debates...

I agree, the debates will be must-see TV and not in a good way.
I don't know that I agree that Trump did great in the 2016 debates. I actually thought he did somewhat poorly, he's just not a very well-spoken guy - and I WANTED him to do well! I still voted for him in 2016, but it was more for 1.) anti-Hillary and 2.) I wanted to see somebody that wasn't a career politician that would run the country more as a business and not pander to the lobbyists. Now that I have 3+ years of data on watching how Trump has run his administration and this country, I am convinced that he is the embodiment of pure hatred and him winning this election would have absolute dire consequences for this country. As I've said, I'm not sure yet that I'll vote for Biden, as I don't believe in casting my vote for someone I don't believe in, but there is literally nothing that could convince me to vote for Trump again. I don't care if he enacted a policy all by himself that grew my 401K by 10,000% in the next 6 months, I wouldn't vote for him. Biden is kind of a "meh" candidate to me, but he doesn't scare my like Bernie would have.
Have you watched a full conference of his all the way through? He is the only candidate talking about unifying people and not just bending over backwards for minorities. He talks about ALL Americans, not just those groups currently politically advantageous to talk about. 99% of the reasons people think he's racist/hatemongering come from either quotes taken out of context or anecdotal evidence from people that are just trying to get their 15 minutes.

Biden has spent 50 years in politics and has shown time and again that he thinks minorities are lesser people that need him to take care of them.

There needs to be debates and people need to watch to hear what Trump is actually saying and not just what they get spoon fed by people interpreting/inferring/lying about what he said.


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Re: Please joe, you have embarrassed yourself enough

Post by Cataholic » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:41 pm

BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:51 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:40 pm
BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:36 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:46 am
There is zero reason to not have a presidential debate. They can do it in a TV studio with no crowd. They could actually do it via video if needed.
I completely agree with this. I believe that the Presidential debates are a very important institution in our election cycle. There is no good medical reason why we couldn't have these and safely maintain all precautions.
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:46 am
Actually, there is one reason to not do it: Biden would would be exposed. In the democratic debates, he shared the stage with 10+ people and performed poorly. A one on one with Trump will be ugly.
Without disagreeing about your statements re: Biden... I think you vastly overestimate Trump's debating abilities. When Biden has his regular missteps, it comes across as "old man getting dementia" kind of stuff. When Trump has his daily missteps, it comes across more as "angry old bigoted/racist/rich/narcissist" kind of stuff.

The debates are going to be for the ages - just not in a good way. But I won't miss a second of them.
Well, Trump did win the last election, so he must have not completely blown it in the 2016 debates...

I agree, the debates will be must-see TV and not in a good way.
I don't know that I agree that Trump did great in the 2016 debates. I actually thought he did somewhat poorly, he's just not a very well-spoken guy - and I WANTED him to do well! I still voted for him in 2016, but it was more for 1.) anti-Hillary and 2.) I wanted to see somebody that wasn't a career politician that would run the country more as a business and not pander to the lobbyists. Now that I have 3+ years of data on watching how Trump has run his administration and this country, I am convinced that he is the embodiment of pure hatred and him winning this election would have absolute dire consequences for this country. As I've said, I'm not sure yet that I'll vote for Biden, as I don't believe in casting my vote for someone I don't believe in, but there is literally nothing that could convince me to vote for Trump again. I don't care if he enacted a policy all by himself that grew my 401K by 10,000% in the next 6 months, I wouldn't vote for him. Biden is kind of a "meh" candidate to me, but he doesn't scare my like Bernie would have.
I do find this discussion fascinating. Amazing that people will look past Biden’s clear mental deterioration if it means no Trump. The lack of public appearances by Biden is going to get more attention and it will be a major factor moving forward.

If Biden chooses a running mate based on political appeal and not capability, he will be done. Stacy Abrams is a great example of virtually no experience, but she is being considered because she is female and black.

I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016. I also didn’t vote for Hillary as she would have been a disaster. I can’t recall, but I might have placed a write in vote for Denarious MCGhee or Travis Lulay😂😂😂. Regardless, Trump has shown he can run an economy. The Democratic Party is so scary right now with their socialist beliefs. I pay way too much in taxes right now and cannot imagine what it will become if college is “free”, healthcare for all is passed, and every household gets an extra $1,000 just because. Somebody has to pay for that and it will be the rich and middle class.



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Re: Please joe, you have embarrassed yourself enough

Post by Cataholic » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:43 pm

technoCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:11 pm
BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:51 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:40 pm
BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:36 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:46 am
There is zero reason to not have a presidential debate. They can do it in a TV studio with no crowd. They could actually do it via video if needed.
I completely agree with this. I believe that the Presidential debates are a very important institution in our election cycle. There is no good medical reason why we couldn't have these and safely maintain all precautions.
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:46 am
Actually, there is one reason to not do it: Biden would would be exposed. In the democratic debates, he shared the stage with 10+ people and performed poorly. A one on one with Trump will be ugly.
Without disagreeing about your statements re: Biden... I think you vastly overestimate Trump's debating abilities. When Biden has his regular missteps, it comes across as "old man getting dementia" kind of stuff. When Trump has his daily missteps, it comes across more as "angry old bigoted/racist/rich/narcissist" kind of stuff.

The debates are going to be for the ages - just not in a good way. But I won't miss a second of them.
Well, Trump did win the last election, so he must have not completely blown it in the 2016 debates...

I agree, the debates will be must-see TV and not in a good way.
I don't know that I agree that Trump did great in the 2016 debates. I actually thought he did somewhat poorly, he's just not a very well-spoken guy - and I WANTED him to do well! I still voted for him in 2016, but it was more for 1.) anti-Hillary and 2.) I wanted to see somebody that wasn't a career politician that would run the country more as a business and not pander to the lobbyists. Now that I have 3+ years of data on watching how Trump has run his administration and this country, I am convinced that he is the embodiment of pure hatred and him winning this election would have absolute dire consequences for this country. As I've said, I'm not sure yet that I'll vote for Biden, as I don't believe in casting my vote for someone I don't believe in, but there is literally nothing that could convince me to vote for Trump again. I don't care if he enacted a policy all by himself that grew my 401K by 10,000% in the next 6 months, I wouldn't vote for him. Biden is kind of a "meh" candidate to me, but he doesn't scare my like Bernie would have.
Have you watched a full conference of his all the way through? He is the only candidate talking about unifying people and not just bending over backwards for minorities. He talks about ALL Americans, not just those groups currently politically advantageous to talk about. 99% of the reasons people think he's racist/hatemongering come from either quotes taken out of context or anecdotal evidence from people that are just trying to get their 15 minutes.

Biden has spent 50 years in politics and has shown time and again that he thinks minorities are lesser people that need him to take care of them.

There needs to be debates and people need to watch to hear what Trump is actually saying and not just what they get spoon fed by people interpreting/inferring/lying about what he said.
This is spot on. Very good post.



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Re: Please joe, you have embarrassed yourself enough

Post by iaafan » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:47 pm



Here's that damn Joe embarrassing himself again! \:D/



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Re: Please joe, you have embarrassed yourself enough

Post by codecat » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:22 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 10:19 am
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More craziness from The Donald today...

Pushing conspiracy theories with no evidence and saying “voting is an honor”



“I was honored as Man of the Year in Michigan.” This has been proven to be an outright lie.



“There are many per capitas. Per Capitas relative to what?”

Uhhhh.....wha?

Kind of like how Biden graduated at the top of his law class at Columbia...
Or how about Obama - the press always gave him a free pass!
Over the last 15 months, we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in 57 states. I think one left to go?


Socialism - the financial model historically used to control the masses! It has noting to do with
freedom, and seriously erodes the primary constitutional freedom of free enterprise.

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Re: Please joe, you have embarrassed yourself enough

Post by arvcat2 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:44 pm

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Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:47 am
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:49 pm
Believe that’s the strategy to date. Let 45 be himself.

Seems to be working if the current polls are correct.
It sure is working. Per NBC News:

Wednesday’s national New York Times/Siena poll had Trump down 14 points to Joe Biden, becoming the third gold-standard, live-caller poll this month to show the president trailing by double digits.

Battleground polls out today from the New York Times/Siena find Trump down 6 points in Florida, 7 points in Arizona, 9 points in North Carolina, 10 points in Pennsylvania, and 11 points each in Michigan and Wisconsin.
Your polls mean nothing at this point in time: 1) How easily you forgot how Hillary was gonna win in a landslide exactly four years ago based upon just about all the polling. 2) wait until senile Joe emerges from his basement and actually does some campaigning.



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Re: Please joe, you have embarrassed yourself enough

Post by ilovethecats » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:25 pm

Can we just agree that our two choices this fall are both pretty crappy? Man we’d be so much better off if people didn’t care so much about “their party” and way more about the people.

Hopefully I see that in my lifetime.



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Re: Please joe, you have embarrassed yourself enough

Post by technoCat » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:31 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:25 pm
Can we just agree that our two choices this fall are both pretty crappy? Man we’d be so much better off if people didn’t care so much about “their party” and way more about the people.

Hopefully I see that in my lifetime.
I absolutely agree and if someone like Gabbard had won the democratic nomination then I would consider her. I just see a democratic party giving into the most extreme in their collective and no real moderates standing up to them within the party. Biden is not capable of standing up to them where he is right now. My sincere hope is Trump wins, radical race baiting groups will get back off the front page because they won't be instigated by politically minded people to push an agenda(almost like the last 3 years before they needed to impact elections) and in 2024 we get some decent moderate candidates from both parties.


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Re: Please joe, you have embarrassed yourself enough

Post by wbtfg » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:45 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:25 pm
Can we just agree that our two choices this fall are both pretty crappy? Man we’d be so much better off if people didn’t care so much about “their party” and way more about the people.

Hopefully I see that in my lifetime.
This whole 2 party identity politics thing has gotten out of control. I wonder what life would look like if political parties were abolished?



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Re: Please joe, you have embarrassed yourself enough

Post by 77matcat » Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:15 pm

Didn’t John Lennon write a song about this.

😁😁



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Post by wbtfg » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:13 pm

What to expect in a 2nd term. Can someone decipher....please?




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Re: Please joe, you have embarrassed yourself enough

Post by Cataholic » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:26 pm

iaafan wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:47 pm


Here's that damn Joe embarrassing himself again! \:D/
Did you catch Joe today? Apparently 120 million people have died from Covid!




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Re: Please joe, you have embarrassed yourself enough

Post by wbtfg » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:43 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:26 pm
iaafan wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:47 pm


Here's that damn Joe embarrassing himself again! \:D/
Did you catch Joe today? Apparently 120 million people have died from Covid!

Whats worse, misstating million in place of thousand or saying Covid is totally under control?

This statement isn’t any worse than when Trump referred to his 3rd wife as Melanie. So close, yet so far away...



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Re: Please joe, you have embarrassed yourself enough

Post by BozoneCat » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:40 pm

technoCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:11 pm
BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:51 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:40 pm
BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:36 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:46 am
There is zero reason to not have a presidential debate. They can do it in a TV studio with no crowd. They could actually do it via video if needed.
I completely agree with this. I believe that the Presidential debates are a very important institution in our election cycle. There is no good medical reason why we couldn't have these and safely maintain all precautions.
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:46 am
Actually, there is one reason to not do it: Biden would would be exposed. In the democratic debates, he shared the stage with 10+ people and performed poorly. A one on one with Trump will be ugly.
Without disagreeing about your statements re: Biden... I think you vastly overestimate Trump's debating abilities. When Biden has his regular missteps, it comes across as "old man getting dementia" kind of stuff. When Trump has his daily missteps, it comes across more as "angry old bigoted/racist/rich/narcissist" kind of stuff.

The debates are going to be for the ages - just not in a good way. But I won't miss a second of them.
Well, Trump did win the last election, so he must have not completely blown it in the 2016 debates...

I agree, the debates will be must-see TV and not in a good way.
I don't know that I agree that Trump did great in the 2016 debates. I actually thought he did somewhat poorly, he's just not a very well-spoken guy - and I WANTED him to do well! I still voted for him in 2016, but it was more for 1.) anti-Hillary and 2.) I wanted to see somebody that wasn't a career politician that would run the country more as a business and not pander to the lobbyists. Now that I have 3+ years of data on watching how Trump has run his administration and this country, I am convinced that he is the embodiment of pure hatred and him winning this election would have absolute dire consequences for this country. As I've said, I'm not sure yet that I'll vote for Biden, as I don't believe in casting my vote for someone I don't believe in, but there is literally nothing that could convince me to vote for Trump again. I don't care if he enacted a policy all by himself that grew my 401K by 10,000% in the next 6 months, I wouldn't vote for him. Biden is kind of a "meh" candidate to me, but he doesn't scare my like Bernie would have.
Have you watched a full conference of his all the way through? He is the only candidate talking about unifying people and not just bending over backwards for minorities. He talks about ALL Americans, not just those groups currently politically advantageous to talk about. 99% of the reasons people think he's racist/hatemongering come from either quotes taken out of context or anecdotal evidence from people that are just trying to get their 15 minutes.

Biden has spent 50 years in politics and has shown time and again that he thinks minorities are lesser people that need him to take care of them.

There needs to be debates and people need to watch to hear what Trump is actually saying and not just what they get spoon fed by people interpreting/inferring/lying about what he said.
Uh yeah, I’ve watched countless Trump press conferences all the way through. They are painful. He is incapable of answering simple questions with a simple answer. He lies, but all politicians do, so I don’t hold that against him any more than I do the others. I think there’s a difference in lying vs. purely making random sh*t up, but whatever. But the vile hate that just emanates from him with every word he speaks, I can’t get past that. He can say he wants to unify people, but every other word puts down some group of people and every action goes directly against that goal. I don’t think anything has been taken out of context, there are literally hundreds of examples of statements from him that are subtly or blatantly racist and/or hateful.

As I said, I’m not a big fan of Biden either. But I do think he’s at least a better human being than Trump. I agree with you that I don’t think it helps a society to give handouts, etc. and create need, but I can at least respect that people who think this way are coming from a place of caring about other people less fortunate than themselves. I don’t feel like Trump cares about anyone other than himself, and that includes (sadly) his wife and children.


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Re: Please joe, you have embarrassed yourself enough

Post by Cataholic » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:46 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:43 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:26 pm
iaafan wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:47 pm


Here's that damn Joe embarrassing himself again! \:D/
Did you catch Joe today? Apparently 120 million people have died from Covid!

Whats worse, misstating million in place of thousand or saying Covid is totally under control?

This statement isn’t any worse than when Trump referred to his 3rd wife as Melanie. So close, yet so far away...
Here is what Joe Biden said one day after Trump put travel restrictions on travel with China. “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia – hysterical xenophobia – and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science.”

Amazing how dems can claim Trump was so bad with Covid, when the record shows many Republican leaders were so wrong! How many deaths is Democrat Governor Cuomo responsible for in New York? He actually ordered COVID patients to be discharged from crowded hospitals and placed into NURSING HOMES!



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Re: Please joe, you have embarrassed yourself enough

Post by BozoneCat » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:54 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:41 pm
BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:51 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:40 pm
BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:36 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:46 am
There is zero reason to not have a presidential debate. They can do it in a TV studio with no crowd. They could actually do it via video if needed.
I completely agree with this. I believe that the Presidential debates are a very important institution in our election cycle. There is no good medical reason why we couldn't have these and safely maintain all precautions.
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:46 am
Actually, there is one reason to not do it: Biden would would be exposed. In the democratic debates, he shared the stage with 10+ people and performed poorly. A one on one with Trump will be ugly.
Without disagreeing about your statements re: Biden... I think you vastly overestimate Trump's debating abilities. When Biden has his regular missteps, it comes across as "old man getting dementia" kind of stuff. When Trump has his daily missteps, it comes across more as "angry old bigoted/racist/rich/narcissist" kind of stuff.

The debates are going to be for the ages - just not in a good way. But I won't miss a second of them.
Well, Trump did win the last election, so he must have not completely blown it in the 2016 debates...

I agree, the debates will be must-see TV and not in a good way.
I don't know that I agree that Trump did great in the 2016 debates. I actually thought he did somewhat poorly, he's just not a very well-spoken guy - and I WANTED him to do well! I still voted for him in 2016, but it was more for 1.) anti-Hillary and 2.) I wanted to see somebody that wasn't a career politician that would run the country more as a business and not pander to the lobbyists. Now that I have 3+ years of data on watching how Trump has run his administration and this country, I am convinced that he is the embodiment of pure hatred and him winning this election would have absolute dire consequences for this country. As I've said, I'm not sure yet that I'll vote for Biden, as I don't believe in casting my vote for someone I don't believe in, but there is literally nothing that could convince me to vote for Trump again. I don't care if he enacted a policy all by himself that grew my 401K by 10,000% in the next 6 months, I wouldn't vote for him. Biden is kind of a "meh" candidate to me, but he doesn't scare my like Bernie would have.
I do find this discussion fascinating. Amazing that people will look past Biden’s clear mental deterioration if it means no Trump. The lack of public appearances by Biden is going to get more attention and it will be a major factor moving forward.

If Biden chooses a running mate based on political appeal and not capability, he will be done. Stacy Abrams is a great example of virtually no experience, but she is being considered because she is female and black.

I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016. I also didn’t vote for Hillary as she would have been a disaster. I can’t recall, but I might have placed a write in vote for Denarious MCGhee or Travis Lulay😂😂😂. Regardless, Trump has shown he can run an economy. The Democratic Party is so scary right now with their socialist beliefs. I pay way too much in taxes right now and cannot imagine what it will become if college is “free”, healthcare for all is passed, and every household gets an extra $1,000 just because. Somebody has to pay for that and it will be the rich and middle class.
I find the discussion interesting too, and I appreciate good debate that doesn’t devolve into hurt feelers and name-calling.

I think you’re making way too big of a deal about Biden not having big press conferences or gatherings or whatever you feel he should be doing right now. Judging by the polls at the moment, I’d say he’s being smart. There will plenty of time for him to make big public appearances. As I’ve said, I’m no big fan, so I don’t really care either way, but I don’t see it as a big deal.

I agree that who he chooses as a running mate is a big deal, but I don’t know that it really matters much. People vote for the President, not the VP. I mean, Biden himself was kind of a throw-away as VP. And Pence... really?! In the grand scheme, it doesn’t have any significant effect on the election.

I don’t know that there is really any solid evidence that Trump knows how to run an economy. Managing crises plays a huge role in how our economy functions, and I don’t think you could do much worse in that regard than Trump had done, and he still doubles down on his idiotic policies and statements every week. I’m sure you love him if you make >$500,000/year, but I don’t really notice any big change in my finances during his presidency since I’m not in that group. I’m 100% with you in not supporting the free college/free healthcare/$20 per hour minimum wage crowd, which is why someone like Bernie would have scared the crap out of me. I think that’s the equivalent on the uber-left of the tin-foil-hat far right crowd that believes COVID is a pure fabrication of the media to make sure Trump doesn’t get re-elected. Sane people understand both of those extremes are pretty much crazy.


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Re: Please joe, you have embarrassed yourself enough

Post by Cataholic » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:57 pm

BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:40 pm
technoCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:11 pm
BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:51 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:40 pm
BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:36 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:46 am
There is zero reason to not have a presidential debate. They can do it in a TV studio with no crowd. They could actually do it via video if needed.
I completely agree with this. I believe that the Presidential debates are a very important institution in our election cycle. There is no good medical reason why we couldn't have these and safely maintain all precautions.
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:46 am
Actually, there is one reason to not do it: Biden would would be exposed. In the democratic debates, he shared the stage with 10+ people and performed poorly. A one on one with Trump will be ugly.
Without disagreeing about your statements re: Biden... I think you vastly overestimate Trump's debating abilities. When Biden has his regular missteps, it comes across as "old man getting dementia" kind of stuff. When Trump has his daily missteps, it comes across more as "angry old bigoted/racist/rich/narcissist" kind of stuff.

The debates are going to be for the ages - just not in a good way. But I won't miss a second of them.
Well, Trump did win the last election, so he must have not completely blown it in the 2016 debates...

I agree, the debates will be must-see TV and not in a good way.
I don't know that I agree that Trump did great in the 2016 debates. I actually thought he did somewhat poorly, he's just not a very well-spoken guy - and I WANTED him to do well! I still voted for him in 2016, but it was more for 1.) anti-Hillary and 2.) I wanted to see somebody that wasn't a career politician that would run the country more as a business and not pander to the lobbyists. Now that I have 3+ years of data on watching how Trump has run his administration and this country, I am convinced that he is the embodiment of pure hatred and him winning this election would have absolute dire consequences for this country. As I've said, I'm not sure yet that I'll vote for Biden, as I don't believe in casting my vote for someone I don't believe in, but there is literally nothing that could convince me to vote for Trump again. I don't care if he enacted a policy all by himself that grew my 401K by 10,000% in the next 6 months, I wouldn't vote for him. Biden is kind of a "meh" candidate to me, but he doesn't scare my like Bernie would have.
Have you watched a full conference of his all the way through? He is the only candidate talking about unifying people and not just bending over backwards for minorities. He talks about ALL Americans, not just those groups currently politically advantageous to talk about. 99% of the reasons people think he's racist/hatemongering come from either quotes taken out of context or anecdotal evidence from people that are just trying to get their 15 minutes.

Biden has spent 50 years in politics and has shown time and again that he thinks minorities are lesser people that need him to take care of them.

There needs to be debates and people need to watch to hear what Trump is actually saying and not just what they get spoon fed by people interpreting/inferring/lying about what he said.
Uh yeah, I’ve watched countless Trump press conferences all the way through. They are painful. He is incapable of answering simple questions with a simple answer. He lies, but all politicians do, so I don’t hold that against him any more than I do the others. I think there’s a difference in lying vs. purely making random sh*t up, but whatever. But the vile hate that just emanates from him with every word he speaks, I can’t get past that. He can say he wants to unify people, but every other word puts down some group of people and every action goes directly against that goal. I don’t think anything has been taken out of context, there are literally hundreds of examples of statements from him that are subtly or blatantly racist and/or hateful.

As I said, I’m not a big fan of Biden either. But I do think he’s at least a better human being than Trump. I agree with you that I don’t think it helps a society to give handouts, etc. and create need, but I can at least respect that people who think this way are coming from a place of caring about other people less fortunate than themselves. I don’t feel like Trump cares about anyone other than himself, and that includes (sadly) his wife and children.
I is good to hear a perspective from someone other than WBTG or iAA or the butcher when they see faults with each candidate. When it comes from those three, I immediately discount because they are so far on the left.

No question Trump is a selfish person. Anybody who is constantly saying “I” did this or “I” did that is a good indicator of arrogance and selfishness. I have stated many times that Trump is a flawed person. It is amazing that another quality candidate has not emerged.

My concern with the Democratic Party is policy and how far they have moved to the left. I am really scared what damage Biden and the dems could do in office. Somebody has to pay for the socialist liberal policies, and it will be the middle class and rich.



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Re: Please joe, you have embarrassed yourself enough

Post by iaafan » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:25 am

Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:57 pm
BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:40 pm
technoCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:11 pm
BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:51 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:40 pm
BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:36 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:46 am
There is zero reason to not have a presidential debate. They can do it in a TV studio with no crowd. They could actually do it via video if needed.
I completely agree with this. I believe that the Presidential debates are a very important institution in our election cycle. There is no good medical reason why we couldn't have these and safely maintain all precautions.
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:46 am
Actually, there is one reason to not do it: Biden would would be exposed. In the democratic debates, he shared the stage with 10+ people and performed poorly. A one on one with Trump will be ugly.
Without disagreeing about your statements re: Biden... I think you vastly overestimate Trump's debating abilities. When Biden has his regular missteps, it comes across as "old man getting dementia" kind of stuff. When Trump has his daily missteps, it comes across more as "angry old bigoted/racist/rich/narcissist" kind of stuff.

The debates are going to be for the ages - just not in a good way. But I won't miss a second of them.
Well, Trump did win the last election, so he must have not completely blown it in the 2016 debates...

I agree, the debates will be must-see TV and not in a good way.
I don't know that I agree that Trump did great in the 2016 debates. I actually thought he did somewhat poorly, he's just not a very well-spoken guy - and I WANTED him to do well! I still voted for him in 2016, but it was more for 1.) anti-Hillary and 2.) I wanted to see somebody that wasn't a career politician that would run the country more as a business and not pander to the lobbyists. Now that I have 3+ years of data on watching how Trump has run his administration and this country, I am convinced that he is the embodiment of pure hatred and him winning this election would have absolute dire consequences for this country. As I've said, I'm not sure yet that I'll vote for Biden, as I don't believe in casting my vote for someone I don't believe in, but there is literally nothing that could convince me to vote for Trump again. I don't care if he enacted a policy all by himself that grew my 401K by 10,000% in the next 6 months, I wouldn't vote for him. Biden is kind of a "meh" candidate to me, but he doesn't scare my like Bernie would have.
Have you watched a full conference of his all the way through? He is the only candidate talking about unifying people and not just bending over backwards for minorities. He talks about ALL Americans, not just those groups currently politically advantageous to talk about. 99% of the reasons people think he's racist/hatemongering come from either quotes taken out of context or anecdotal evidence from people that are just trying to get their 15 minutes.

Biden has spent 50 years in politics and has shown time and again that he thinks minorities are lesser people that need him to take care of them.

There needs to be debates and people need to watch to hear what Trump is actually saying and not just what they get spoon fed by people interpreting/inferring/lying about what he said.
Uh yeah, I’ve watched countless Trump press conferences all the way through. They are painful. He is incapable of answering simple questions with a simple answer. He lies, but all politicians do, so I don’t hold that against him any more than I do the others. I think there’s a difference in lying vs. purely making random sh*t up, but whatever. But the vile hate that just emanates from him with every word he speaks, I can’t get past that. He can say he wants to unify people, but every other word puts down some group of people and every action goes directly against that goal. I don’t think anything has been taken out of context, there are literally hundreds of examples of statements from him that are subtly or blatantly racist and/or hateful.

As I said, I’m not a big fan of Biden either. But I do think he’s at least a better human being than Trump. I agree with you that I don’t think it helps a society to give handouts, etc. and create need, but I can at least respect that people who think this way are coming from a place of caring about other people less fortunate than themselves. I don’t feel like Trump cares about anyone other than himself, and that includes (sadly) his wife and children.
I is good to hear a perspective from someone other than WBTG or iAA or the butcher when they see faults with each candidate. When it comes from those three, I immediately discount because they are so far on the left.

No question Trump is a selfish person. Anybody who is constantly saying “I” did this or “I” did that is a good indicator of arrogance and selfishness. I have stated many times that Trump is a flawed person. It is amazing that another quality candidate has not emerged.

My concern with the Democratic Party is policy and how far they have moved to the left. I am really scared what damage Biden and the dems could do in office. Somebody has to pay for the socialist liberal policies, and it will be the middle class and rich.
If you think the democrat party is has moved far left, you have very little knowledge of the party over the past 80 years. That's borderline ignorance on your part. It isn't anything you have to study to know, but you can look it up. However, I doubt that you do as it doesn't agree with your own, completely inaccurate as it is, opinion. The party, especially presidential candidates, moved toward the middle when Clinton was elected and has remained there ever since. The fact that you don't know this casts a shadow over any commentary you have about the democrat party or politics in general. To say the party has moved far left, shows that you aren't putting much thought into what you're saying. Between you, Rich K, Rich Rund, and codecat people become less informed with every keystroke you put into this message board. You should try to get on page with 91 or follow George Will and other more traditional republicans, who can explain what's going on politically. Even your commentary on MSU football is overly biased and flowery. Seems to be personality trait/flaw. There's no two sides of an issue for you, it all has to feed into your viewpoint.

There are a lot of democrats that would prefer Bernie Sanders be the presidential candidate. His policies are similar to FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson. No one on the right would be up in arms about him anymore than they were from the 30s to the 70s with any democrat presidential candidate, if he was one. Democrats held the presidency and usually the congress a huge majority of the time during that era. 24 of 32 years in the oval office and I believe even more in both houses. Many democrats feel that their voters will get out more with candidates like Bernie and AOC, than they do with the Clintons or Biden style.

The republican party moved to the right during the Tea Party movement and has not come back completely. The Tea Party didn't get everything it wanted, but it did set the tone for how the republican party acts now: politics of angry, which Trump has basked in.



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Re: Please joe, you have embarrassed yourself enough

Post by technoCat » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:28 am

iaafan wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:25 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:57 pm
BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:40 pm
technoCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:11 pm
BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:51 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:40 pm
BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:36 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:46 am
There is zero reason to not have a presidential debate. They can do it in a TV studio with no crowd. They could actually do it via video if needed.
I completely agree with this. I believe that the Presidential debates are a very important institution in our election cycle. There is no good medical reason why we couldn't have these and safely maintain all precautions.
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:46 am
Actually, there is one reason to not do it: Biden would would be exposed. In the democratic debates, he shared the stage with 10+ people and performed poorly. A one on one with Trump will be ugly.
Without disagreeing about your statements re: Biden... I think you vastly overestimate Trump's debating abilities. When Biden has his regular missteps, it comes across as "old man getting dementia" kind of stuff. When Trump has his daily missteps, it comes across more as "angry old bigoted/racist/rich/narcissist" kind of stuff.

The debates are going to be for the ages - just not in a good way. But I won't miss a second of them.
Well, Trump did win the last election, so he must have not completely blown it in the 2016 debates...

I agree, the debates will be must-see TV and not in a good way.
I don't know that I agree that Trump did great in the 2016 debates. I actually thought he did somewhat poorly, he's just not a very well-spoken guy - and I WANTED him to do well! I still voted for him in 2016, but it was more for 1.) anti-Hillary and 2.) I wanted to see somebody that wasn't a career politician that would run the country more as a business and not pander to the lobbyists. Now that I have 3+ years of data on watching how Trump has run his administration and this country, I am convinced that he is the embodiment of pure hatred and him winning this election would have absolute dire consequences for this country. As I've said, I'm not sure yet that I'll vote for Biden, as I don't believe in casting my vote for someone I don't believe in, but there is literally nothing that could convince me to vote for Trump again. I don't care if he enacted a policy all by himself that grew my 401K by 10,000% in the next 6 months, I wouldn't vote for him. Biden is kind of a "meh" candidate to me, but he doesn't scare my like Bernie would have.
Have you watched a full conference of his all the way through? He is the only candidate talking about unifying people and not just bending over backwards for minorities. He talks about ALL Americans, not just those groups currently politically advantageous to talk about. 99% of the reasons people think he's racist/hatemongering come from either quotes taken out of context or anecdotal evidence from people that are just trying to get their 15 minutes.

Biden has spent 50 years in politics and has shown time and again that he thinks minorities are lesser people that need him to take care of them.

There needs to be debates and people need to watch to hear what Trump is actually saying and not just what they get spoon fed by people interpreting/inferring/lying about what he said.
Uh yeah, I’ve watched countless Trump press conferences all the way through. They are painful. He is incapable of answering simple questions with a simple answer. He lies, but all politicians do, so I don’t hold that against him any more than I do the others. I think there’s a difference in lying vs. purely making random sh*t up, but whatever. But the vile hate that just emanates from him with every word he speaks, I can’t get past that. He can say he wants to unify people, but every other word puts down some group of people and every action goes directly against that goal. I don’t think anything has been taken out of context, there are literally hundreds of examples of statements from him that are subtly or blatantly racist and/or hateful.

As I said, I’m not a big fan of Biden either. But I do think he’s at least a better human being than Trump. I agree with you that I don’t think it helps a society to give handouts, etc. and create need, but I can at least respect that people who think this way are coming from a place of caring about other people less fortunate than themselves. I don’t feel like Trump cares about anyone other than himself, and that includes (sadly) his wife and children.
I is good to hear a perspective from someone other than WBTG or iAA or the butcher when they see faults with each candidate. When it comes from those three, I immediately discount because they are so far on the left.

No question Trump is a selfish person. Anybody who is constantly saying “I” did this or “I” did that is a good indicator of arrogance and selfishness. I have stated many times that Trump is a flawed person. It is amazing that another quality candidate has not emerged.

My concern with the Democratic Party is policy and how far they have moved to the left. I am really scared what damage Biden and the dems could do in office. Somebody has to pay for the socialist liberal policies, and it will be the middle class and rich.
If you think the democrat party is has moved far left, you have very little knowledge of the party over the past 80 years. That's borderline ignorance on your part. It isn't anything you have to study to know, but you can look it up. However, I doubt that you do as it doesn't agree with your own, completely inaccurate as it is, opinion. The party, especially presidential candidates, moved toward the middle when Clinton was elected and has remained there ever since. The fact that you don't know this casts a shadow over any commentary you have about the democrat party or politics in general. To say the party has moved far left, shows that you aren't putting much thought into what you're saying. Between you, Rich K, Rich Rund, and codecat people become less informed with every keystroke you put into this message board. You should try to get on page with 91 or follow George Will and other more traditional republicans, who can explain what's going on politically. Even your commentary on MSU football is overly biased and flowery. Seems to be personality trait/flaw. There's no two sides of an issue for you, it all has to feed into your viewpoint.

There are a lot of democrats that would prefer Bernie Sanders be the presidential candidate. His policies are similar to FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson. No one on the right would be up in arms about him anymore than they were from the 30s to the 70s with any democrat presidential candidate, if he was one. Democrats held the presidency and usually the congress a huge majority of the time during that era. 24 of 32 years in the oval office and I believe even more in both houses. Many democrats feel that their voters will get out more with candidates like Bernie and AOC, than they do with the Clintons or Biden style.

The republican party moved to the right during the Tea Party movement and has not come back completely. The Tea Party didn't get everything it wanted, but it did set the tone for how the republican party acts now: politics of angry, which Trump has basked in.
I'm going to respectfully disagree with just about everything you just said. The entire political spectrum has been moving to the left since Woodrow Wilson. Every so often you get a Kennedy or a Clinton that are a bit more moderate to bring it back to center. Biden says he's a moderate but as soon as any pressure is put on him(or Pelosi or Schumer) by the hard left, they cave because the hard left are the only people being allowed to make noise right now.

Republicans today are pretty much moderate democrats from 50 years ago, which is why you would never see them put up a candidate that was a hard core Christian. They are all spineless wimps, more worried about scoring political points than holding any actual values. Look at Romney who has waffled back and forth on abortion every other conversation. We've seen that none of them are willing to stand up for the rule of law or protecting their citizens during the current crisis. There is no call to help black families stay together as a measure to stop black crime and violence. They all just want to sit around and say "well at least we aren't democrats"...

In other words #termlimits #makepublicservantsservantsagain


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Re: Please joe, you have embarrassed yourself enough

Post by 91catAlum » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:46 am

iaafan wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:25 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:57 pm
BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:40 pm
technoCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:11 pm
BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:51 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:40 pm
BozoneCat wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:36 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:46 am
There is zero reason to not have a presidential debate. They can do it in a TV studio with no crowd. They could actually do it via video if needed.
I completely agree with this. I believe that the Presidential debates are a very important institution in our election cycle. There is no good medical reason why we couldn't have these and safely maintain all precautions.
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:46 am
Actually, there is one reason to not do it: Biden would would be exposed. In the democratic debates, he shared the stage with 10+ people and performed poorly. A one on one with Trump will be ugly.
Without disagreeing about your statements re: Biden... I think you vastly overestimate Trump's debating abilities. When Biden has his regular missteps, it comes across as "old man getting dementia" kind of stuff. When Trump has his daily missteps, it comes across more as "angry old bigoted/racist/rich/narcissist" kind of stuff.

The debates are going to be for the ages - just not in a good way. But I won't miss a second of them.
Well, Trump did win the last election, so he must have not completely blown it in the 2016 debates...

I agree, the debates will be must-see TV and not in a good way.
I don't know that I agree that Trump did great in the 2016 debates. I actually thought he did somewhat poorly, he's just not a very well-spoken guy - and I WANTED him to do well! I still voted for him in 2016, but it was more for 1.) anti-Hillary and 2.) I wanted to see somebody that wasn't a career politician that would run the country more as a business and not pander to the lobbyists. Now that I have 3+ years of data on watching how Trump has run his administration and this country, I am convinced that he is the embodiment of pure hatred and him winning this election would have absolute dire consequences for this country. As I've said, I'm not sure yet that I'll vote for Biden, as I don't believe in casting my vote for someone I don't believe in, but there is literally nothing that could convince me to vote for Trump again. I don't care if he enacted a policy all by himself that grew my 401K by 10,000% in the next 6 months, I wouldn't vote for him. Biden is kind of a "meh" candidate to me, but he doesn't scare my like Bernie would have.
Have you watched a full conference of his all the way through? He is the only candidate talking about unifying people and not just bending over backwards for minorities. He talks about ALL Americans, not just those groups currently politically advantageous to talk about. 99% of the reasons people think he's racist/hatemongering come from either quotes taken out of context or anecdotal evidence from people that are just trying to get their 15 minutes.

Biden has spent 50 years in politics and has shown time and again that he thinks minorities are lesser people that need him to take care of them.

There needs to be debates and people need to watch to hear what Trump is actually saying and not just what they get spoon fed by people interpreting/inferring/lying about what he said.
Uh yeah, I’ve watched countless Trump press conferences all the way through. They are painful. He is incapable of answering simple questions with a simple answer. He lies, but all politicians do, so I don’t hold that against him any more than I do the others. I think there’s a difference in lying vs. purely making random sh*t up, but whatever. But the vile hate that just emanates from him with every word he speaks, I can’t get past that. He can say he wants to unify people, but every other word puts down some group of people and every action goes directly against that goal. I don’t think anything has been taken out of context, there are literally hundreds of examples of statements from him that are subtly or blatantly racist and/or hateful.

As I said, I’m not a big fan of Biden either. But I do think he’s at least a better human being than Trump. I agree with you that I don’t think it helps a society to give handouts, etc. and create need, but I can at least respect that people who think this way are coming from a place of caring about other people less fortunate than themselves. I don’t feel like Trump cares about anyone other than himself, and that includes (sadly) his wife and children.
I is good to hear a perspective from someone other than WBTG or iAA or the butcher when they see faults with each candidate. When it comes from those three, I immediately discount because they are so far on the left.

No question Trump is a selfish person. Anybody who is constantly saying “I” did this or “I” did that is a good indicator of arrogance and selfishness. I have stated many times that Trump is a flawed person. It is amazing that another quality candidate has not emerged.

My concern with the Democratic Party is policy and how far they have moved to the left. I am really scared what damage Biden and the dems could do in office. Somebody has to pay for the socialist liberal policies, and it will be the middle class and rich.
If you think the democrat party is has moved far left, you have very little knowledge of the party over the past 80 years. That's borderline ignorance on your part. It isn't anything you have to study to know, but you can look it up. However, I doubt that you do as it doesn't agree with your own, completely inaccurate as it is, opinion. The party, especially presidential candidates, moved toward the middle when Clinton was elected and has remained there ever since. The fact that you don't know this casts a shadow over any commentary you have about the democrat party or politics in general. To say the party has moved far left, shows that you aren't putting much thought into what you're saying. Between you, Rich K, Rich Rund, and codecat people become less informed with every keystroke you put into this message board. You should try to get on page with 91 or follow George Will and other more traditional republicans, who can explain what's going on politically. Even your commentary on MSU football is overly biased and flowery. Seems to be personality trait/flaw. There's no two sides of an issue for you, it all has to feed into your viewpoint.

There are a lot of democrats that would prefer Bernie Sanders be the presidential candidate. His policies are similar to FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson. No one on the right would be up in arms about him anymore than they were from the 30s to the 70s with any democrat presidential candidate, if he was one. Democrats held the presidency and usually the congress a huge majority of the time during that era. 24 of 32 years in the oval office and I believe even more in both houses. Many democrats feel that their voters will get out more with candidates like Bernie and AOC, than they do with the Clintons or Biden style.

The republican party moved to the right during the Tea Party movement and has not come back completely. The Tea Party didn't get everything it wanted, but it did set the tone for how the republican party acts now: politics of angry, which Trump has basked in.
The Democratic Party absolutely has moved left over the last couple decades. Look no further than their stance on border security and illegal immigration. Go watch President Clinton's 1995 State of the union on youtube, if you can't find it let me know and I'll get you a link.
Here's a video montage of real speeches from Obama, Hillary, Biden, and Schumer being in favor, then being against border security just over the last 10-15 years:


Also, the socialist side of the democrats used to be a very small segment. Over the last decade it has grown in popularity to where that extreme wing now actually has significant clout in the party. Bernie Sanders is now getting real consideration as a viable presidential candidate, a man who would abandon private property ownership and even capitalism if he fully had his way! Actually, most democrats today would do that, not just the wingnuts. That's another BIG change since Bill Clinton.

And Sanders is nothing like Kennedy - Sanders probably gags whenever he hears the "Ask not what your country can do for you" speech. If JFK were in politics today, he'd be on the Republican ticket, at least on the economy and on tough foreign policy.


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