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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by ilovethecats » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:49 am

wbtfg wrote:
Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:46 am
iaafan wrote:
Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:11 am
Moderna now out with a 94.5% vaccine. :D
As expected. They went with a 100 mg dosage where as Pfizer vaccine, I believe, is 30 mg.

Moderna vaccine will also be easier to transport and store, as it doesn’t require -90 degree storage.

So obviously I have no knowledge whatsoever on vaccines. We seem to have two great options, but the Moderna one seems better. I’d say the longer shelf life and how it can be stored puts it on top. Can these companies not collaborate now that they’ve done all the work and put their eggs in one basket so to speak?

I also can’t wrap my head around why this could still take as many as 6 more months to get this to the general population. Seems to me if it’s priority number one, and we know how many lives are at stake, we’d put forth some Herculean effort to get this moving.

Though if it’s anything like the testing has been I might have too high of hopes. We’re 8 months into this thing and people are still waiting 7-10 days sometimes to get results back. And the results themselves are still not always reliable. The testing remains my biggest disappointment in the pandemic so far.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by wbtfg » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:24 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:49 am
wbtfg wrote:
Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:46 am
iaafan wrote:
Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:11 am
Moderna now out with a 94.5% vaccine. :D
As expected. They went with a 100 mg dosage where as Pfizer vaccine, I believe, is 30 mg.

Moderna vaccine will also be easier to transport and store, as it doesn’t require -90 degree storage.

So obviously I have no knowledge whatsoever on vaccines. We seem to have two great options, but the Moderna one seems better. I’d say the longer shelf life and how it can be stored puts it on top. Can these companies not collaborate now that they’ve done all the work and put their eggs in one basket so to speak?

I also can’t wrap my head around why this could still take as many as 6 more months to get this to the general population. Seems to me if it’s priority number one, and we know how many lives are at stake, we’d put forth some Herculean effort to get this moving.

Though if it’s anything like the testing has been I might have too high of hopes. We’re 8 months into this thing and people are still waiting 7-10 days sometimes to get results back. And the results themselves are still not always reliable. The testing remains my biggest disappointment in the pandemic so far.
Those are all good comments and questions. I agree 100%



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by iaafan » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:27 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:24 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:49 am
wbtfg wrote:
Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:46 am
iaafan wrote:
Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:11 am
Moderna now out with a 94.5% vaccine. :D
As expected. They went with a 100 mg dosage where as Pfizer vaccine, I believe, is 30 mg.

Moderna vaccine will also be easier to transport and store, as it doesn’t require -90 degree storage.

So obviously I have no knowledge whatsoever on vaccines. We seem to have two great options, but the Moderna one seems better. I’d say the longer shelf life and how it can be stored puts it on top. Can these companies not collaborate now that they’ve done all the work and put their eggs in one basket so to speak?

I also can’t wrap my head around why this could still take as many as 6 more months to get this to the general population. Seems to me if it’s priority number one, and we know how many lives are at stake, we’d put forth some Herculean effort to get this moving.

Though if it’s anything like the testing has been I might have too high of hopes. We’re 8 months into this thing and people are still waiting 7-10 days sometimes to get results back. And the results themselves are still not always reliable. The testing remains my biggest disappointment in the pandemic so far.
Those are all good comments and questions. I agree 100%
Agreed.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by wbtfg » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:54 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:54 am
wbtfg wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:14 am
11/5/2020
New Cases: 1013
New Tests: 2736
Today's positivity rate: 37%
13,261 Active cases
414 Active Hospitalizations (+7 from yesterday )
Deaths: 407 (+3)


**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
11/15/2020
New Cases: 1272
New Tests: 2867
Today's positivity rate: 44%
Active cases: 19,166
Active Hospitalizations: 435
Deaths: 520

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
New Cases: 1500
New Tests: 10494
Today's positivity rate: 14%
Active cases: 19,750
Active Hospitalizations: 456 (+11)
Deaths: 543 (+23)

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by BigBruceBaker » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:01 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:54 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:54 am
wbtfg wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:14 am
11/5/2020
New Cases: 1013
New Tests: 2736
Today's positivity rate: 37%
13,261 Active cases
414 Active Hospitalizations (+7 from yesterday )
Deaths: 407 (+3)


**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
11/15/2020
New Cases: 1272
New Tests: 2867
Today's positivity rate: 44%
Active cases: 19,166
Active Hospitalizations: 435
Deaths: 520

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
New Cases: 1500
New Tests: 10494
Today's positivity rate: 14%
Active cases: 19,750
Active Hospitalizations: 456 (+11)
Deaths: 543 (+23)

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
Cascade county had something like 500 cases in a day. Ouch.


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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by wbtfg » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:30 pm

BigBruceBaker wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:01 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:54 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:54 am
wbtfg wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:14 am
11/5/2020
New Cases: 1013
New Tests: 2736
Today's positivity rate: 37%
13,261 Active cases
414 Active Hospitalizations (+7 from yesterday )
Deaths: 407 (+3)


**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
11/15/2020
New Cases: 1272
New Tests: 2867
Today's positivity rate: 44%
Active cases: 19,166
Active Hospitalizations: 435
Deaths: 520

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
New Cases: 1500
New Tests: 10494
Today's positivity rate: 14%
Active cases: 19,750
Active Hospitalizations: 456 (+11)
Deaths: 543 (+23)

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
Cascade county had something like 500 cases in a day. Ouch.
yeah...I've heard something about cascade county changing reporting protocol, so there was a bit of a back log for a while, and now those are officially being reported.

But yes, I agree, they are now the 2nd highest county in active cases behind only Yellowstone.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by iaafan » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:17 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:30 pm
BigBruceBaker wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:01 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:54 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:54 am
wbtfg wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:14 am
11/5/2020
New Cases: 1013
New Tests: 2736
Today's positivity rate: 37%
13,261 Active cases
414 Active Hospitalizations (+7 from yesterday )
Deaths: 407 (+3)


**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
11/15/2020
New Cases: 1272
New Tests: 2867
Today's positivity rate: 44%
Active cases: 19,166
Active Hospitalizations: 435
Deaths: 520

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
New Cases: 1500
New Tests: 10494
Today's positivity rate: 14%
Active cases: 19,750
Active Hospitalizations: 456 (+11)
Deaths: 543 (+23)

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
Cascade county had something like 500 cases in a day. Ouch.
yeah...I've heard something about cascade county changing reporting protocol, so there was a bit of a back log for a while, and now those are officially being reported.

But yes, I agree, they are now the 2nd highest county in active cases behind only Yellowstone.
But Cascade is way ahead per capita. About twice as many people in Yellowstone County.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by Cataholic » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:43 pm

I am all for being safe, but the CDC loses credibility with such asinine guidelines.

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/cdc-a ... s-pandemic
“Encourage guests to avoid singing or shouting, especially indoors,” one of the CDC’s bullet points recommend. “Keep music levels down so people don’t have to shout or speak loudly to be heard.”

Aside from boisterous environments, the CDC has labeled alcohol consumption as a high risk activity.

In the agency’s own words: “Using alcohol or drugs that may alter judgment and make it more difficult to practice COVID-19 safety measures.”



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by The Butcher » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:31 am

Cataholic wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:43 pm
I am all for being safe, but the CDC loses credibility with such asinine guidelines.

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/cdc-a ... s-pandemic
“Encourage guests to avoid singing or shouting, especially indoors,” one of the CDC’s bullet points recommend. “Keep music levels down so people don’t have to shout or speak loudly to be heard.”

Aside from boisterous environments, the CDC has labeled alcohol consumption as a high risk activity.

In the agency’s own words: “Using alcohol or drugs that may alter judgment and make it more difficult to practice COVID-19 safety measures.”
Could you explain how this is "asinine"?

Singing has widely been know to create super spreader events and doctors are trying to discourage any unnecessary outbreaks.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ic/612868/



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by Cataholic » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:39 am

The Butcher wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:31 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:43 pm
I am all for being safe, but the CDC loses credibility with such asinine guidelines.

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/cdc-a ... s-pandemic
“Encourage guests to avoid singing or shouting, especially indoors,” one of the CDC’s bullet points recommend. “Keep music levels down so people don’t have to shout or speak loudly to be heard.”

Aside from boisterous environments, the CDC has labeled alcohol consumption as a high risk activity.

In the agency’s own words: “Using alcohol or drugs that may alter judgment and make it more difficult to practice COVID-19 safety measures.”
Could you explain how this is "asinine"?

Singing has widely been know to create super spreader events and doctors are trying to discourage any unnecessary outbreaks.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ic/612868/
I will let you go ahead and police any singing and drinking. Make sure the limited number of guests attending any function are told that singing could endanger others. I am sure you will be the life of the party and will save many lives at the same time.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by The Butcher » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:19 am

Cataholic wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:39 am
The Butcher wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:31 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:43 pm
I am all for being safe, but the CDC loses credibility with such asinine guidelines.

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/cdc-a ... s-pandemic
“Encourage guests to avoid singing or shouting, especially indoors,” one of the CDC’s bullet points recommend. “Keep music levels down so people don’t have to shout or speak loudly to be heard.”

Aside from boisterous environments, the CDC has labeled alcohol consumption as a high risk activity.

In the agency’s own words: “Using alcohol or drugs that may alter judgment and make it more difficult to practice COVID-19 safety measures.”
Could you explain how this is "asinine"?

Singing has widely been know to create super spreader events and doctors are trying to discourage any unnecessary outbreaks.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ic/612868/
I will let you go ahead and police any singing and drinking. Make sure the limited number of guests attending any function are told that singing could endanger others. I am sure you will be the life of the party and will save many lives at the same time.
Wow... Nice response. :roll:



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by iaafan » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:24 am

The Butcher wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:19 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:39 am
The Butcher wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:31 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:43 pm
I am all for being safe, but the CDC loses credibility with such asinine guidelines.

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/cdc-a ... s-pandemic
“Encourage guests to avoid singing or shouting, especially indoors,” one of the CDC’s bullet points recommend. “Keep music levels down so people don’t have to shout or speak loudly to be heard.”

Aside from boisterous environments, the CDC has labeled alcohol consumption as a high risk activity.

In the agency’s own words: “Using alcohol or drugs that may alter judgment and make it more difficult to practice COVID-19 safety measures.”
Could you explain how this is "asinine"?

Singing has widely been know to create super spreader events and doctors are trying to discourage any unnecessary outbreaks.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ic/612868/
I will let you go ahead and police any singing and drinking. Make sure the limited number of guests attending any function are told that singing could endanger others. I am sure you will be the life of the party and will save many lives at the same time.
Wow... Nice response. :roll:
Yeah, the police aren’t credible either since make asinine recommendations like keep both hands on the wheel and don’t use your smart phone etc



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by Cataholic » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:26 am

The Butcher wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:19 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:39 am
The Butcher wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:31 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:43 pm
I am all for being safe, but the CDC loses credibility with such asinine guidelines.

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/cdc-a ... s-pandemic
“Encourage guests to avoid singing or shouting, especially indoors,” one of the CDC’s bullet points recommend. “Keep music levels down so people don’t have to shout or speak loudly to be heard.”

Aside from boisterous environments, the CDC has labeled alcohol consumption as a high risk activity.

In the agency’s own words: “Using alcohol or drugs that may alter judgment and make it more difficult to practice COVID-19 safety measures.”
Could you explain how this is "asinine"?

Singing has widely been know to create super spreader events and doctors are trying to discourage any unnecessary outbreaks.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ic/612868/
I will let you go ahead and police any singing and drinking. Make sure the limited number of guests attending any function are told that singing could endanger others. I am sure you will be the life of the party and will save many lives at the same time.
Wow... Nice response. :roll:
I said it is asinine. You defended it. I said go ahead And do it at your next social function. What is wrong with that? 🤷‍♂️ Are you having second thoughts about how over the top this is?



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by Cataholic » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:27 am

iaafan wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:24 am
The Butcher wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:19 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:39 am
The Butcher wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:31 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:43 pm
I am all for being safe, but the CDC loses credibility with such asinine guidelines.

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/cdc-a ... s-pandemic
“Encourage guests to avoid singing or shouting, especially indoors,” one of the CDC’s bullet points recommend. “Keep music levels down so people don’t have to shout or speak loudly to be heard.”

Aside from boisterous environments, the CDC has labeled alcohol consumption as a high risk activity.

In the agency’s own words: “Using alcohol or drugs that may alter judgment and make it more difficult to practice COVID-19 safety measures.”
Could you explain how this is "asinine"?

Singing has widely been know to create super spreader events and doctors are trying to discourage any unnecessary outbreaks.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ic/612868/
I will let you go ahead and police any singing and drinking. Make sure the limited number of guests attending any function are told that singing could endanger others. I am sure you will be the life of the party and will save many lives at the same time.
Wow... Nice response. :roll:
Yeah, the police aren’t credible either since make asinine recommendations like keep both hands on the wheel and don’t use your smart phone etc
I am sure breathing can be considered a way of spreading. Maybe we should advise against any undue breathing?



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by CelticCat » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:33 am

Cataholic wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:26 am
The Butcher wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:19 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:39 am
The Butcher wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:31 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:43 pm
I am all for being safe, but the CDC loses credibility with such asinine guidelines.

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/cdc-a ... s-pandemic
“Encourage guests to avoid singing or shouting, especially indoors,” one of the CDC’s bullet points recommend. “Keep music levels down so people don’t have to shout or speak loudly to be heard.”

Aside from boisterous environments, the CDC has labeled alcohol consumption as a high risk activity.

In the agency’s own words: “Using alcohol or drugs that may alter judgment and make it more difficult to practice COVID-19 safety measures.”
Could you explain how this is "asinine"?

Singing has widely been know to create super spreader events and doctors are trying to discourage any unnecessary outbreaks.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ic/612868/
I will let you go ahead and police any singing and drinking. Make sure the limited number of guests attending any function are told that singing could endanger others. I am sure you will be the life of the party and will save many lives at the same time.
Wow... Nice response. :roll:
I said it is asinine. You defended it. I said go ahead And do it at your next social function. What is wrong with that? 🤷‍♂️ Are you having second thoughts about how over the top this is?
Just to be clear, do you think it's asinine because it's unenforceable, or is it asinine because you don't believe it's solid medical advice?


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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by iaafan » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:34 am

Cataholic wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:27 am
iaafan wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:24 am
The Butcher wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:19 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:39 am
The Butcher wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:31 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:43 pm
I am all for being safe, but the CDC loses credibility with such asinine guidelines.

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/cdc-a ... s-pandemic
“Encourage guests to avoid singing or shouting, especially indoors,” one of the CDC’s bullet points recommend. “Keep music levels down so people don’t have to shout or speak loudly to be heard.”

Aside from boisterous environments, the CDC has labeled alcohol consumption as a high risk activity.

In the agency’s own words: “Using alcohol or drugs that may alter judgment and make it more difficult to practice COVID-19 safety measures.”
Could you explain how this is "asinine"?

Singing has widely been know to create super spreader events and doctors are trying to discourage any unnecessary outbreaks.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ic/612868/
I will let you go ahead and police any singing and drinking. Make sure the limited number of guests attending any function are told that singing could endanger others. I am sure you will be the life of the party and will save many lives at the same time.
Wow... Nice response. :roll:
Yeah, the police aren’t credible either since make asinine recommendations like keep both hands on the wheel and don’t use your smart phone etc
I am sure breathing can be considered a way of spreading. Maybe we should advise against any undue breathing?
I agree. Glad you said undue. When I notice that I can’t avoid being in close proximity of someone I always hold my breath until I’m out of their zone.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by Cataholic » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:28 pm

CelticCat wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:33 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:26 am
The Butcher wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:19 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:39 am
The Butcher wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:31 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:43 pm
I am all for being safe, but the CDC loses credibility with such asinine guidelines.

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/cdc-a ... s-pandemic
“Encourage guests to avoid singing or shouting, especially indoors,” one of the CDC’s bullet points recommend. “Keep music levels down so people don’t have to shout or speak loudly to be heard.”

Aside from boisterous environments, the CDC has labeled alcohol consumption as a high risk activity.

In the agency’s own words: “Using alcohol or drugs that may alter judgment and make it more difficult to practice COVID-19 safety measures.”
Could you explain how this is "asinine"?

Singing has widely been know to create super spreader events and doctors are trying to discourage any unnecessary outbreaks.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ic/612868/
I will let you go ahead and police any singing and drinking. Make sure the limited number of guests attending any function are told that singing could endanger others. I am sure you will be the life of the party and will save many lives at the same time.
Wow... Nice response. :roll:
I said it is asinine. You defended it. I said go ahead And do it at your next social function. What is wrong with that? 🤷‍♂️ Are you having second thoughts about how over the top this is?
Just to be clear, do you think it's asinine because it's unenforceable, or is it asinine because you don't believe it's solid medical advice?
Unenforceable and common sense. If you visit the doctor, should he inform you that you should never walk with your eyes closed? If he did, would you take his future advice as credible or with a grain of salt?



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by CelticCat » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:31 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:28 pm
CelticCat wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:33 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:26 am
The Butcher wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:19 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:39 am
The Butcher wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:31 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:43 pm
I am all for being safe, but the CDC loses credibility with such asinine guidelines.

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/cdc-a ... s-pandemic
“Encourage guests to avoid singing or shouting, especially indoors,” one of the CDC’s bullet points recommend. “Keep music levels down so people don’t have to shout or speak loudly to be heard.”

Aside from boisterous environments, the CDC has labeled alcohol consumption as a high risk activity.

In the agency’s own words: “Using alcohol or drugs that may alter judgment and make it more difficult to practice COVID-19 safety measures.”
Could you explain how this is "asinine"?

Singing has widely been know to create super spreader events and doctors are trying to discourage any unnecessary outbreaks.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ic/612868/
I will let you go ahead and police any singing and drinking. Make sure the limited number of guests attending any function are told that singing could endanger others. I am sure you will be the life of the party and will save many lives at the same time.
Wow... Nice response. :roll:
I said it is asinine. You defended it. I said go ahead And do it at your next social function. What is wrong with that? 🤷‍♂️ Are you having second thoughts about how over the top this is?
Just to be clear, do you think it's asinine because it's unenforceable, or is it asinine because you don't believe it's solid medical advice?
Unenforceable and common sense. If you visit the doctor, should he inform you that you should never walk with your eyes closed? If he did, would you take his future advice as credible or with a grain of salt?
Dude, we are in a pandemic that has a stranglehold on our country, our healthcare system, our economy, and is killing people. Why on earth would you be upset about advice that is trying to help?

I don't understand the viewpoint of seeing this advice from the CDC and thinking "that's dumb, so now the CDC has less credibility". I just don't get it.


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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by arvcat2 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:10 pm

CelticCat wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:31 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:28 pm
CelticCat wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:33 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:26 am
The Butcher wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:19 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:39 am
The Butcher wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:31 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:43 pm
I am all for being safe, but the CDC loses credibility with such asinine guidelines.

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/cdc-a ... s-pandemic
“Encourage guests to avoid singing or shouting, especially indoors,” one of the CDC’s bullet points recommend. “Keep music levels down so people don’t have to shout or speak loudly to be heard.”

Aside from boisterous environments, the CDC has labeled alcohol consumption as a high risk activity.

In the agency’s own words: “Using alcohol or drugs that may alter judgment and make it more difficult to practice COVID-19 safety measures.”
Could you explain how this is "asinine"?

Singing has widely been know to create super spreader events and doctors are trying to discourage any unnecessary outbreaks.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ic/612868/
I will let you go ahead and police any singing and drinking. Make sure the limited number of guests attending any function are told that singing could endanger others. I am sure you will be the life of the party and will save many lives at the same time.
Wow... Nice response. :roll:
I said it is asinine. You defended it. I said go ahead And do it at your next social function. What is wrong with that? 🤷‍♂️ Are you having second thoughts about how over the top this is?
Just to be clear, do you think it's asinine because it's unenforceable, or is it asinine because you don't believe it's solid medical advice?
Unenforceable and common sense. If you visit the doctor, should he inform you that you should never walk with your eyes closed? If he did, would you take his future advice as credible or with a grain of salt?
Dude, we are in a pandemic that has a stranglehold on our country, our healthcare system, our economy, and is killing people. Why on earth would you be upset about advice that is trying to help?

I don't understand the viewpoint of seeing this advice from the CDC and thinking "that's dumb, so now the CDC has less credibility". I just don't get it.
Dude, “Covid deaths are not more important, sad, or newsworthy than other deaths. Locking down our economy, society, schools, & violating our freedoms to avoid one type of death (inasmuch as any of these measures even work) is increasing other types of health risks & deaths.”

I don’t understand your viewpoint that these tyrannical governmental measures are worth it for a disease with a 99.##% survival rate. Happy Thanksgiving with your government mandated limits and I trust you will adhere & obey them throughout this holiday season!



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by CelticCat » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:25 pm

arvcat2 wrote:
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I am all for being safe, but the CDC loses credibility with such asinine guidelines.

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/cdc-a ... s-pandemic
“Encourage guests to avoid singing or shouting, especially indoors,” one of the CDC’s bullet points recommend. “Keep music levels down so people don’t have to shout or speak loudly to be heard.”

Aside from boisterous environments, the CDC has labeled alcohol consumption as a high risk activity.

In the agency’s own words: “Using alcohol or drugs that may alter judgment and make it more difficult to practice COVID-19 safety measures.”
Could you explain how this is "asinine"?

Singing has widely been know to create super spreader events and doctors are trying to discourage any unnecessary outbreaks.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ic/612868/
I will let you go ahead and police any singing and drinking. Make sure the limited number of guests attending any function are told that singing could endanger others. I am sure you will be the life of the party and will save many lives at the same time.
Wow... Nice response. :roll:
I said it is asinine. You defended it. I said go ahead And do it at your next social function. What is wrong with that? 🤷‍♂️ Are you having second thoughts about how over the top this is?
Just to be clear, do you think it's asinine because it's unenforceable, or is it asinine because you don't believe it's solid medical advice?
Unenforceable and common sense. If you visit the doctor, should he inform you that you should never walk with your eyes closed? If he did, would you take his future advice as credible or with a grain of salt?
Dude, we are in a pandemic that has a stranglehold on our country, our healthcare system, our economy, and is killing people. Why on earth would you be upset about advice that is trying to help?

I don't understand the viewpoint of seeing this advice from the CDC and thinking "that's dumb, so now the CDC has less credibility". I just don't get it.
Dude, “Covid deaths are not more important, sad, or newsworthy than other deaths. Locking down our economy, society, schools, & violating our freedoms to avoid one type of death (inasmuch as any of these measures even work) is increasing other types of health risks & deaths.”

I don’t understand your viewpoint that these tyrannical governmental measures are worth it for a disease with a 99.##% survival rate. Happy Thanksgiving with your government mandated limits and I trust you will adhere & obey them throughout this holiday season!
You can sit there and yell the virus has a 99.999999% survival rate and all deaths are equal until you're blue in the face - until the cases go down, restrictions will continue. Unless Fauci, the CDC, et al reverse their thinking on how to best control the virus, this is just what it's going to be, likely until vaccines arrive.


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