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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by wbtfg » Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:15 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:21 am
wbtfg wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:10 am
I haven't looked at Montana's COVID numbers in a while, so I thought I'd check in today.

10/20/2020
New Cases: 706
New Tests: 2655
Today's positivity rate: 27%
8,999 Active cases
360 Active Hospitalizations

Total Cases: 24,093
Deaths: 252
Death Rate: 1%

https://montana.maps.arcgis.com/apps/Ma ... 2103421d4b
10/21/2020
New Cases: 624
New Tests: 2973
Today's positivity rate: 21% (ooof!)
9,352 Active cases
345 Active Hospitalizations (decrease of 15 from yesterday)

Total Cases: 24,093
Deaths: 275 (Increase of 23 from yesterday)
Death Rate: 1%

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
10/22/2020
New Cases: **932** NEW RECORD (Previous Record was 734 on 10/14)
New Tests: 4852
Today's positivity rate: 19%
9,096 Active cases
353 Active Hospitalizations (+3 from yesterday)
Deaths: 278 (+3 from yesterday)

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by The Butcher » Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:02 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:15 pm
10/22/2020
New Cases: **932** NEW RECORD (Previous Record was 734 on 10/14)
New Tests: 4852
Today's positivity rate: 19%
9,096 Active cases
353 Active Hospitalizations (+3 from yesterday)
Deaths: 278 (+3 from yesterday)

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
10/22/2020
SOUTH DAKOTA (Governor has received national attention for literally doing NOTHING)
New Cases: ***973*** NEW RECORD
New Tests: 2196
Today's positivity rate: 44%
9,273 Active case NEW RECORD
355 Active Hospitalizations (+23 from yesterday)
Deaths: 347 (+14)

Keep in mind Montana's population is estimated at 1,069,000 and South Dakota's population is estimated at 885,000.
This is what happens when your State government doesn't listen to medical professionals.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by Darth Yoda » Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:31 pm

iaafan wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:23 am


Death count in the USA is probably closer to 300,000, than 225,000.
I'm just a casual observer over here, much like when one goes to the zoo to watch exotic animals exhibiting their innate behaviors in a controlled manner. But Tom posted about Excess Deaths a while back and I don't recall ever seeing a reasonable rebuttal. Perhaps I just missed it, but I'm actually curious what the counter point to this study is.

Here's the link to the CDC publication: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... deaths.htm

The dashboard tool is interesting and very useful once you get the hang of it.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by Cataholic » Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:56 pm

The Butcher wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:02 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:15 pm
10/22/2020
New Cases: **932** NEW RECORD (Previous Record was 734 on 10/14)
New Tests: 4852
Today's positivity rate: 19%
9,096 Active cases
353 Active Hospitalizations (+3 from yesterday)
Deaths: 278 (+3 from yesterday)

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
10/22/2020
SOUTH DAKOTA (Governor has received national attention for literally doing NOTHING)
New Cases: ***973*** NEW RECORD
New Tests: 2196
Today's positivity rate: 44%
9,273 Active case NEW RECORD
355 Active Hospitalizations (+23 from yesterday)
Deaths: 347 (+14)

Keep in mind Montana's population is estimated at 1,069,000 and South Dakota's population is estimated at 885,000.
This is what happens when your State government doesn't listen to medical professionals.
South Dakota had 245 deaths from influenza in 2018. Covid has been worse this year and is definitely more contagious, but maybe this number will lend some perspective to the 347 Covid deaths this year in a state that did not aggressively push restrictions on the population.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by The Butcher » Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:05 am

Cataholic wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:56 pm
South Dakota had 245 deaths from influenza in 2018. Covid has been worse this year and is definitely more contagious, but maybe this number will lend some perspective to the 347 Covid deaths this year in a state that did not aggressively push restrictions on the population.
That is not an accurate number. Those 245 deaths are actually influenza and pneumonia. The flu and pneumonia have some common symptoms, but they are not exactly the same. The flu is caused by viruses, but pneumonia can be caused by viruses, bacteria, or fungi. So you are wrong, 245 South Dakotans did NOT die of influenza in 2018. Nice try to down play COVID in South Dakota! :wink:



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by Cataholic » Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:31 am

The Butcher wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:05 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:56 pm
South Dakota had 245 deaths from influenza in 2018. Covid has been worse this year and is definitely more contagious, but maybe this number will lend some perspective to the 347 Covid deaths this year in a state that did not aggressively push restrictions on the population.
That is not an accurate number. Those 245 deaths are actually influenza and pneumonia. The flu and pneumonia have some common symptoms, but they are not exactly the same. The flu is caused by viruses, but pneumonia can be caused by viruses, bacteria, or fungi. So you are wrong, 245 South Dakotans did NOT die of influenza in 2018. Nice try to down play COVID in South Dakota! :wink:
You do realize that many people are dying of pneumonia because they have Covid?



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by The Butcher » Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:43 am

Cataholic wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:31 am
The Butcher wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:05 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:56 pm
South Dakota had 245 deaths from influenza in 2018. Covid has been worse this year and is definitely more contagious, but maybe this number will lend some perspective to the 347 Covid deaths this year in a state that did not aggressively push restrictions on the population.
That is not an accurate number. Those 245 deaths are actually influenza and pneumonia. The flu and pneumonia have some common symptoms, but they are not exactly the same. The flu is caused by viruses, but pneumonia can be caused by viruses, bacteria, or fungi. So you are wrong, 245 South Dakotans did NOT die of influenza in 2018. Nice try to down play COVID in South Dakota! :wink:
You do realize that many people are dying of pneumonia because they have Covid?
You realize that you were using misinformation to downplay COVID in South Dakota?



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by Cataholic » Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:15 am

The Butcher wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:43 am
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:31 am
The Butcher wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:05 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:56 pm
South Dakota had 245 deaths from influenza in 2018. Covid has been worse this year and is definitely more contagious, but maybe this number will lend some perspective to the 347 Covid deaths this year in a state that did not aggressively push restrictions on the population.
That is not an accurate number. Those 245 deaths are actually influenza and pneumonia. The flu and pneumonia have some common symptoms, but they are not exactly the same. The flu is caused by viruses, but pneumonia can be caused by viruses, bacteria, or fungi. So you are wrong, 245 South Dakotans did NOT die of influenza in 2018. Nice try to down play COVID in South Dakota! :wink:
You do realize that many people are dying of pneumonia because they have Covid?
You realize that you were using misinformation to downplay COVID in South Dakota?
I should have picked up that the state data for influenza is reported jointly with pneumonia - especially since the two are so closely related in terms of death. I wonder if the data for Covid also stipulates if they died from pneumonia or Covid - or are they combined? Hmmm... I mean, we wouldn’t want you to provide data that might go against a certain agenda? For example, 297 of the 347 deaths were 60 or older. That is 85%. Or that 71% of the deaths were 70 years or older. More than 52% of the deaths are aged 80 or older with many happening in the nursing home. Or that no one under the age of 20 has died. Only 2 were less than 30 years old.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by The Butcher » Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:43 am

Cataholic wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:15 am
The Butcher wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:43 am
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:31 am
The Butcher wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:05 am
Cataholic wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:56 pm
South Dakota had 245 deaths from influenza in 2018. Covid has been worse this year and is definitely more contagious, but maybe this number will lend some perspective to the 347 Covid deaths this year in a state that did not aggressively push restrictions on the population.
That is not an accurate number. Those 245 deaths are actually influenza and pneumonia. The flu and pneumonia have some common symptoms, but they are not exactly the same. The flu is caused by viruses, but pneumonia can be caused by viruses, bacteria, or fungi. So you are wrong, 245 South Dakotans did NOT die of influenza in 2018. Nice try to down play COVID in South Dakota! :wink:
You do realize that many people are dying of pneumonia because they have Covid?
You realize that you were using misinformation to downplay COVID in South Dakota?
I should have picked up that the state data for influenza is reported jointly with pneumonia - especially since the two are so closely related in terms of death. I wonder if the data for Covid also stipulates if they died from pneumonia or Covid - or are they combined? Hmmm... I mean, we wouldn’t want you to provide data that might go against a certain agenda? For example, 297 of the 347 deaths were 60 or older. That is 85%. Or that 71% of the deaths were 70 years or older. More than 52% of the deaths are aged 80 or older with many happening in the nursing home. Or that no one under the age of 20 has died. Only 2 were less than 30 years old.
So you have moved from using misleading data to saying old people are dying so no big deal?
You are all over the place today!

Anyway more fake numbers from the South Dakota Dept. of Health:
10/23/2020
SOUTH DAKOTA (Governor has received national attention for literally doing NOTHING)
New Cases: ***1,185*** NEW RECORD FRIST TIME OVER 1,000
New Tests: 2,556
Today's positivity rate: 46%
9,862 Active case NEW RECORD
349 Active Hospitalizations (-6 from yesterday)
Deaths: 356 (+9 from yesterday)

The South Dakota Dept. of Health has changed its website to not list new total cases on the SD overview tab of its dashboard. That certainly can give the impression that they are trying to make that information difficult to find since it is unflattering to the Governor who has denied the severity of the pandemic. Local media is giving new cases counts based on the updated State numbers.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by iaafan » Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:27 pm

When people die of Covid it's because they're old, so it doesn't really matter?
Are we to place that logic on all deaths? Trump does. When people die in wars he says they're losers, so that explains that and it's therefore no big deal?
How about suicide? Most people who commit suicide have a mental condition or temporary depression, so I guess that doesn't matter?
People who die in car wrecks are usually either drunk, speeding or driving in bad conditions, so those don't matter?

I also hear people saying that of the 75,000 deaths unaccounted for a lot of them are suicides or people not going to hospital because they're afraid to, or overdosing/drinking. We have about 48,000 suicides and 70,000 ODs per year in the U.S. Even if you had a 20% increase, which I highly doubt, that still leaves 51,000 deaths unaccounted for.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by wbtfg » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:59 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:15 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:21 am
wbtfg wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:10 am
I haven't looked at Montana's COVID numbers in a while, so I thought I'd check in today.

10/20/2020
New Cases: 706
New Tests: 2655
Today's positivity rate: 27%
8,999 Active cases
360 Active Hospitalizations

Total Cases: 24,093
Deaths: 252
Death Rate: 1%

https://montana.maps.arcgis.com/apps/Ma ... 2103421d4b
10/21/2020
New Cases: 624
New Tests: 2973
Today's positivity rate: 21% (ooof!)
9,352 Active cases
345 Active Hospitalizations (decrease of 15 from yesterday)

Total Cases: 24,093
Deaths: 275 (Increase of 23 from yesterday)
Death Rate: 1%

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
10/22/2020
New Cases: **932** NEW RECORD (Previous Record was 734 on 10/14)
New Tests: 4852
Today's positivity rate: 19%
9,096 Active cases
353 Active Hospitalizations (+3 from yesterday)
Deaths: 278 (+3 from yesterday)

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
10/23/2020
New Cases: 863
New Tests: 8154
Today's positivity rate: 11%
9,610 Active cases
351 Active Hospitalizations (-2 from yesterday)
Deaths: 282 (+4 from yesterday)



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by arvcat2 » Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:00 pm

If I told iaafan, Masterbutcher, or onceacat a pandemic joke, there's a 99.####% chance they wouldn't get it. :P



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by wbtfg » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:40 am

wbtfg wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:59 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:15 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:21 am
wbtfg wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:10 am
I haven't looked at Montana's COVID numbers in a while, so I thought I'd check in today.

10/20/2020
New Cases: 706
New Tests: 2655
Today's positivity rate: 27%
8,999 Active cases
360 Active Hospitalizations

Total Cases: 24,093
Deaths: 252
Death Rate: 1%

https://montana.maps.arcgis.com/apps/Ma ... 2103421d4b
10/21/2020
New Cases: 624
New Tests: 2973
Today's positivity rate: 21% (ooof!)
9,352 Active cases
345 Active Hospitalizations (decrease of 15 from yesterday)

Total Cases: 24,093
Deaths: 275 (Increase of 23 from yesterday)
Death Rate: 1%

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
10/22/2020
New Cases: **932** NEW RECORD (Previous Record was 734 on 10/14)
New Tests: 4852
Today's positivity rate: 19%
9,096 Active cases
353 Active Hospitalizations (+3 from yesterday)
Deaths: 278 (+3 from yesterday)

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
10/23/2020
New Cases: 863
New Tests: 8154
Today's positivity rate: 11%
9,610 Active cases
351 Active Hospitalizations (-2 from yesterday)
Deaths: 282 (+4 from yesterday)
10/24/2020
New Cases: 647
New Tests: 3032
Today's positivity rate: 21%
9,412 Active cases
348 Active Hospitalizations (-3 from yesterday)
Deaths: 294 (+8 from yesterday)

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by wbtfg » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:26 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:40 am
wbtfg wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:59 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:15 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:21 am
wbtfg wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:10 am
I haven't looked at Montana's COVID numbers in a while, so I thought I'd check in today.

10/20/2020
New Cases: 706
New Tests: 2655
Today's positivity rate: 27%
8,999 Active cases
360 Active Hospitalizations

Total Cases: 24,093
Deaths: 252
Death Rate: 1%

https://montana.maps.arcgis.com/apps/Ma ... 2103421d4b
10/21/2020
New Cases: 624
New Tests: 2973
Today's positivity rate: 21% (ooof!)
9,352 Active cases
345 Active Hospitalizations (decrease of 15 from yesterday)

Total Cases: 24,093
Deaths: 275 (Increase of 23 from yesterday)
Death Rate: 1%

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
10/22/2020
New Cases: **932** NEW RECORD (Previous Record was 734 on 10/14)
New Tests: 4852
Today's positivity rate: 19%
9,096 Active cases
353 Active Hospitalizations (+3 from yesterday)
Deaths: 278 (+3 from yesterday)

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
10/23/2020
New Cases: 863
New Tests: 8154
Today's positivity rate: 11%
9,610 Active cases
351 Active Hospitalizations (-2 from yesterday)
Deaths: 282 (+4 from yesterday)
10/24/2020
New Cases: 647
New Tests: 3032
Today's positivity rate: 21%
9,412 Active cases
348 Active Hospitalizations (-3 from yesterday)
Deaths: 294 (+8 from yesterday)

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
10/25/2020
New Cases: 746
New Tests: 1577
Today's positivity rate: 47%?!?!?!
9,751 Active cases
357 Active Hospitalizations (+9 from yesterday)
Deaths: 297 (+3 from yesterday)

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by The Butcher » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:25 am

Well, the Administration has made it official that they have no interest in trying to stop the spread of COVID. This is pure insanity. A complete disregard to the health of Americans.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/25/politics ... index.html



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Post by catatac » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:07 am

The Butcher wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:25 am
Well, the Administration has made it official that they have no interest in trying to stop the spread of COVID. This is pure insanity. A complete disregard to the health of Americans.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/25/politics ... index.html
I must have missed that quote in the article. What I read is was a comment on the fact that it's a virus and you can wear masks and wash your hands all you want but you're not going to CONTROL it. You can only limit the spread and that's it. It is CNN though... so carry on. :lol:


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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by wbtfg » Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:47 am

wbtfg wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:26 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:40 am
wbtfg wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:59 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:15 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:21 am
wbtfg wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:10 am
I haven't looked at Montana's COVID numbers in a while, so I thought I'd check in today.

10/20/2020
New Cases: 706
New Tests: 2655
Today's positivity rate: 27%
8,999 Active cases
360 Active Hospitalizations

Total Cases: 24,093
Deaths: 252
Death Rate: 1%

https://montana.maps.arcgis.com/apps/Ma ... 2103421d4b
10/21/2020
New Cases: 624
New Tests: 2973
Today's positivity rate: 21% (ooof!)
9,352 Active cases
345 Active Hospitalizations (decrease of 15 from yesterday)

Total Cases: 24,093
Deaths: 275 (Increase of 23 from yesterday)
Death Rate: 1%

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
10/22/2020
New Cases: **932** NEW RECORD (Previous Record was 734 on 10/14)
New Tests: 4852
Today's positivity rate: 19%
9,096 Active cases
353 Active Hospitalizations (+3 from yesterday)
Deaths: 278 (+3 from yesterday)

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
10/23/2020
New Cases: 863
New Tests: 8154
Today's positivity rate: 11%
9,610 Active cases
351 Active Hospitalizations (-2 from yesterday)
Deaths: 282 (+4 from yesterday)
10/24/2020
New Cases: 647
New Tests: 3032
Today's positivity rate: 21%
9,412 Active cases
348 Active Hospitalizations (-3 from yesterday)
Deaths: 294 (+8 from yesterday)

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
10/25/2020
New Cases: 746
New Tests: 1577
Today's positivity rate: 47%?!?!?!
9,751 Active cases
357 Active Hospitalizations (+9 from yesterday)
Deaths: 297 (+3 from yesterday)

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**
10/26/2020

New Cases: 622
New Tests: 10718
Today's positivity rate: 6%
9,855 Active cases
360 Active Hospitalizations (+3 from yesterday)
Deaths: 303 (+6 from yesterday)

**Remember to practice physical distancing, wear your mask, wash your hands, don't touch your face.**



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Post by ilovethecats » Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:59 pm

One issue we’re currently having, from my vantage point is people’s willingness to get tested. Being responsible and do what you can for others is fine and great. But when you are sacrificing your own well being for others it’s a slippery slope.

This virus, like just about everything else in life, boils down to social status. If I’m a doctor or lawyer or musician or athlete, or anyone with wealth; it’s EASY to be selfless and look out for others and quarantine for weeks and months. But for regular people, not working for 2 weeks isn’t an option. Even negative testing requires quarantine in many situations which people simply can’t afford.

You know we have people all over that feel sick but are just gonna work through it. Or people who were in close contact with a positive case but they won’t get tested. And I don’t know how we can blame them or label them selfish. The simple fact is more people than not can’t afford to just not work for a couple weeks. And it’s not a one time thing. I have an employee who’s been in close contact with a positive three times. He’s taken three Covid tests. Three times he tested negative. (Once he tested positive but days later his results said it was a false positive) And three separate times he had to miss work for nearly two weeks. He’s a college kid so still has support from his folks. Most don’t have that.

If they really wanted to slow the spread, they should have did a lot more than a tiny $1200 “stimulus” 6 months ago. If not, you just have to accept the fact that many people are going to choose to work and live their lives than risk being out of work and not paying rent or bills.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by iaafan » Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:01 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:59 pm
One issue we’re currently having, from my vantage point is people’s willingness to get tested. Being responsible and do what you can for others is fine and great. But when you are sacrificing your own well being for others it’s a slippery slope.

This virus, like just about everything else in life, boils down to social status. If I’m a doctor or lawyer or musician or athlete, or anyone with wealth; it’s EASY to be selfless and look out for others and quarantine for weeks and months. But for regular people, not working for 2 weeks isn’t an option. Even negative testing requires quarantine in many situations which people simply can’t afford.

You know we have people all over that feel sick but are just gonna work through it. Or people who were in close contact with a positive case but they won’t get tested. And I don’t know how we can blame them or label them selfish. The simple fact is more people than not can’t afford to just not work for a couple weeks. And it’s not a one time thing. I have an employee who’s been in close contact with a positive three times. He’s taken three Covid tests. Three times he tested negative. (Once he tested positive but days later his results said it was a false positive) And three separate times he had to miss work for nearly two weeks. He’s a college kid so still has support from his folks. Most don’t have that.

If they really wanted to slow the spread, they should have did a lot more than a tiny $1200 “stimulus” 6 months ago. If not, you just have to accept the fact that many people are going to choose to work and live their lives than risk being out of work and not paying rent or bills.
Yes, another stimulus package would really help everyone directly and indirectly.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by Cataholic » Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:04 pm

The Butcher wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:25 am
Well, the Administration has made it official that they have no interest in trying to stop the spread of COVID. This is pure insanity. A complete disregard to the health of Americans.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/25/politics ... index.html
How in the world do you come to that conclusion? Here is Meadows comment:
"We are not going to control the pandemic. We are going to control the fact that we get vaccines, therapeutics and other mitigation areas," Meadows told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union."
Isn’t he saying they are focused on treatments and cures to mitigate Covid. That seems pretty sound.

Aren’t you part of the crowd that criticized this administration and was touting Europe as a great example of how to handle Covid? It seems they are going through a devastating second wave and with their economy struggling and they are implementing shutdowns again.



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