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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by technoCat » Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:27 am

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Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:23 am
I'm only surprised that CNN actually ran this story.

Study finds hydroxychloroquine helped coronavirus patients survive better
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/h ... index.html
(CNN)A surprising new study found that the controversial antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine helped patients better survive in the hospital.

A team at Henry Ford Health System in Southeast Michigan said Thursday its study of 2,541 hospitalized patients found that those given hydroxychloroquine were much less likely to die.

Dr. Marcus Zervos, division head of infectious disease for Henry Ford Health System, said 26% of those not given hydroxychloroquine died, compared to 13% of those who got the drug. The team looked back at everyone treated in the hospital system since the first patient in March...
Oh God, this is the first sign of the apocalypse! CNN posting something that could indirectly be positive for the president! Get your affairs in order boys and girls! :wink:


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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by RickRund » Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:11 pm

Here is another Doctor's take on covid. He doesn't seem so doom and gloom.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/07/10/ ... U1N2In0%3D



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by codecat » Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:46 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:31 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:33 pm
iaafan wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:46 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:57 pm
iaafan wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:35 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:17 pm
CelticCat wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:00 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:03 am
wapiti wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:25 am
The lockdown protesters had it right.

https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/lockdownlunacy

"locking down society was a bone-headed policy decision so devastating to society that historians may judge it as the all-time worst decision ever made."
I agree with all of this but I’m sure it’s mainly faulty info for one reason or another.
I dunno, I can think of a few pretty bad decisions in US history:
Slavery
Segregation
Southern Secession
Prohibition

But yea sure this one is the worst.
Won't argue that. We've had some doozies over the years for sure.

It'll be interesting to see just how bad of a decision it was. :wink:
Coronavirus is now the fourth biggest killer of Americans:
1) Civil War
2) WWII
3) Spanish flu
4) Coronavirus
5) WWI

I think you can add not telling anyone about the Spanish Flu can be added to bad decision. Also, add pretending that coronavirus wouldn't come to America and that it would be gone by April, then it'd be gone by summer.
Fourth biggest killer compared to what? Just those wars you cited?

I'd ask you why you used only those wars as a comparison but obviously I already know the answer. :lol:
The ol' Spanish Flu War of 1918! :lol:

Coronavirus, like Spanish Flu and a war, is an event, not (hopefully) a perpetual disease, so I suppose that's why it's categorized as such.

Ok that's what I thought. Was curious why we wouldn't compare it to other illnesses that will kill far more people? But I totally get that won't fit the narrative and I can appreciate that. But you'll have to excuse me if I'm just not very scared, and the fact that a virus has killed more people than some wars doesn't do much for me.

Wonder why people don't compare other forms of death to the Civil War and WWII? :-k
The liberal left media absolutely blows me away with their narrative. Cohen tries to make Trump the scapegoat for the pandemic, yet numerous Dem leaders said Trump was overreacting when he banned travel with China. Biden called him xenophobic and a fear mongerer. Pelosi invited people to Chinatown and Gov Cuomo stayed NYC was open for business in defiance to Trumps warnings.
I noticed this too, but who wouldn't as his bias in doing that almost oozed of the page! One of my most remembered efforts was what Pelosi and the Liberal Controlled House Of Reps were doing then - her and other Soros puppets pompously marching over to the Senate, handing out commemorative gold pens along the way intent on dictating to the Senate how they needed to do their jobs.


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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by RickRund » Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:37 pm

codecat wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:46 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:31 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:33 pm
iaafan wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:46 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:57 pm
iaafan wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:35 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:17 pm
CelticCat wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:00 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:03 am
wapiti wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:25 am
The lockdown protesters had it right.

https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/lockdownlunacy

"locking down society was a bone-headed policy decision so devastating to society that historians may judge it as the all-time worst decision ever made."
I agree with all of this but I’m sure it’s mainly faulty info for one reason or another.
I dunno, I can think of a few pretty bad decisions in US history:
Slavery
Segregation
Southern Secession
Prohibition

But yea sure this one is the worst.
Won't argue that. We've had some doozies over the years for sure.

It'll be interesting to see just how bad of a decision it was. :wink:
Coronavirus is now the fourth biggest killer of Americans:
1) Civil War
2) WWII
3) Spanish flu
4) Coronavirus
5) WWI

I think you can add not telling anyone about the Spanish Flu can be added to bad decision. Also, add pretending that coronavirus wouldn't come to America and that it would be gone by April, then it'd be gone by summer.
Fourth biggest killer compared to what? Just those wars you cited?

I'd ask you why you used only those wars as a comparison but obviously I already know the answer. :lol:
The ol' Spanish Flu War of 1918! :lol:

Coronavirus, like Spanish Flu and a war, is an event, not (hopefully) a perpetual disease, so I suppose that's why it's categorized as such.

Ok that's what I thought. Was curious why we wouldn't compare it to other illnesses that will kill far more people? But I totally get that won't fit the narrative and I can appreciate that. But you'll have to excuse me if I'm just not very scared, and the fact that a virus has killed more people than some wars doesn't do much for me.

Wonder why people don't compare other forms of death to the Civil War and WWII? :-k
The liberal left media absolutely blows me away with their narrative. Cohen tries to make Trump the scapegoat for the pandemic, yet numerous Dem leaders said Trump was overreacting when he banned travel with China. Biden called him xenophobic and a fear mongerer. Pelosi invited people to Chinatown and Gov Cuomo stayed NYC was open for business in defiance to Trumps warnings.
I noticed this too, but who wouldn't as his bias in doing that almost oozed of the page! One of my most remembered efforts was what Pelosi and the Liberal Controlled House Of Reps were doing then - her and other Soros puppets pompously marching over to the Senate, handing out commemorative gold pens along the way intent on dictating to the Senate how they needed to do their jobs.
Sorry brian tyler cohen but Abortion has killed some 60+ million.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by RickRund » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:09 pm

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Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:24 pm
Cuz science...

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/blasio-t ... ssion=true
Yep, the worst mayor in the country and he has competition...

Really sad.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by Cataholic » Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:07 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:24 pm
Cuz science...

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/blasio-t ... ssion=true
How does a guy like Deblasio get elected? Mickey Mouse could do a better job running the city. These are type of Democratic officials that have risen to the top.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by TomCat88 » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:24 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:07 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:24 pm
Cuz science...

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/blasio-t ... ssion=true
How does a guy like Deblasio get elected? Mickey Mouse could do a better job running the city. These are type of Democratic officials that have risen to the top.
Count Dracula did a great job running that city, so I’m sure Mickey Mouse could too.


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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by Bobcatsinmso » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:58 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:24 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:07 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:24 pm
Cuz science...

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/blasio-t ... ssion=true
How does a guy like Deblasio get elected? Mickey Mouse could do a better job running the city. These are type of Democratic officials that have risen to the top.
Count Dracula did a great job running that city, so I’m sure Mickey Mouse could too.
You have your counts mixed up. It was count Chockula.


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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by Cataholic » Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:29 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:24 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:07 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:24 pm
Cuz science...

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/blasio-t ... ssion=true
How does a guy like Deblasio get elected? Mickey Mouse could do a better job running the city. These are type of Democratic officials that have risen to the top.
Count Dracula did a great job running that city, so I’m sure Mickey Mouse could too.
Is Sesame Street in NYC? I am confused by your post though? What point are you trying to make?



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by iaafan » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:40 am

Cataholic wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:29 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:24 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:07 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:24 pm
Cuz science...

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/blasio-t ... ssion=true
How does a guy like Deblasio get elected? Mickey Mouse could do a better job running the city. These are type of Democratic officials that have risen to the top.
Count Dracula did a great job running that city, so I’m sure Mickey Mouse could too.
Is Sesame Street in NYC? I am confused by your post though? What point are you trying to make?
Probably Rudy Giuliani (looks like Count Dracula). Not sure on DeBlasio looking like MM, but that was the reference made by someone.

So comparing Giuliani to Dracula and DeBlasio to Mickey Mouse is my guess. ??? Still doesn't make much sense.



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Post by ilovethecats » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:29 pm

Didn’t wanna muck up the football board. But here’s another article on how we likely have way more people infected than we first thought. Which some have suggested for a while.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cdc-stu ... 22682.html



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Post by iaafan » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:52 am

ilovethecats wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:29 pm
Didn’t wanna muck up the football board. But here’s another article on how we likely have way more people infected than we first thought. Which some have suggested for a while.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cdc-stu ... 22682.html
Yes, that’s most likely the case. I don’t think anyone would be surprised as it’s been expected to be the case. There are also more deaths than reported.

At the end of this, they will have a wide range for both cases and deaths. Hard to say what those ranges will be at this point.



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Post by catatac » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:00 pm

iaafan wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:52 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:29 pm
Didn’t wanna muck up the football board. But here’s another article on how we likely have way more people infected than we first thought. Which some have suggested for a while.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cdc-stu ... 22682.html
Yes, that’s most likely the case. I don’t think anyone would be surprised as it’s been expected to be the case. There are also more deaths than reported.

At the end of this, they will have a wide range for both cases and deaths. Hard to say what those ranges will be at this point.
And don't forget there have been and will continue to be a lot of deaths reported to have been caused by COVID whereas COVID was not the actual cause.


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Post by ilovethecats » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:30 pm

iaafan wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:52 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:29 pm
Didn’t wanna muck up the football board. But here’s another article on how we likely have way more people infected than we first thought. Which some have suggested for a while.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cdc-stu ... 22682.html
Yes, that’s most likely the case. I don’t think anyone would be surprised as it’s been expected to be the case. There are also more deaths than reported.

At the end of this, they will have a wide range for both cases and deaths. Hard to say what those ranges will be at this point.
I'm not disputing this 1aa as I have no idea. But how has it been suggested that more people have died from covid than reported? Do they die in hospitals and doctors didn't know they had covid? Or did they die at home from covid? Or are you saying there's such a lag in reporting that there are deaths now that won't be counted for a while?



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Post by Cataholic » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:39 pm

The left has categorized the Covid crisis as a Trump fiasco. Yet, today I was listening to the radio and heard a news report that close to 50% of Covid deaths are related to nursing homes! That is an incredible number! I googled it when in got home and doing multiple articles including this one:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspec ... -19-deaths

NY Governor Cuomo actually mandatesd that Covid patients get placed into nursing homes. Governor Bullock issued an order allowing visitors into nursing homes just 3 to 4 weeks ago. Doesn’t that sound awfully dumb? Yet somehow, Trump is getting blamed for the dumb actions at a state level?

https://dphhs.mt.gov/aboutus/news/2020/ ... rsinghomes



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Post by iaafan » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:04 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:30 pm
iaafan wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:52 am
ilovethecats wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:29 pm
Didn’t wanna muck up the football board. But here’s another article on how we likely have way more people infected than we first thought. Which some have suggested for a while.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cdc-stu ... 22682.html
Yes, that’s most likely the case. I don’t think anyone would be surprised as it’s been expected to be the case. There are also more deaths than reported.

At the end of this, they will have a wide range for both cases and deaths. Hard to say what those ranges will be at this point.
I'm not disputing this 1aa as I have no idea. But how has it been suggested that more people have died from covid than reported? Do they die in hospitals and doctors didn't know they had covid? Or did they die at home from covid? Or are you saying there's such a lag in reporting that there are deaths now that won't be counted for a while?
Not complicated. Average deaths are less than actual deaths. That’s how they determine range for flu, pneumonia, etc.



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Post by iaafan » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:08 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:39 pm
The left has categorized the Covid crisis as a Trump fiasco. Yet, today I was listening to the radio and heard a news report that close to 50% of Covid deaths are related to nursing homes! That is an incredible number! I googled it when in got home and doing multiple articles including this one:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspec ... -19-deaths

NY Governor Cuomo actually mandatesd that Covid patients get placed into nursing homes. Governor Bullock issued an order allowing visitors into nursing homes just 3 to 4 weeks ago. Doesn’t that sound awfully dumb? Yet somehow, Trump is getting blamed for the dumb actions at a state level?

https://dphhs.mt.gov/aboutus/news/2020/ ... rsinghomes
I know life long republicans that are branding this a Trump fiasco. Is it ALL Trumps fault? No. But much of what we’re going through is on him. If you haven’t figured that out yet, then welcome to the year 2505. He’s this thing called the President. A lot of what presidents say and do is followed by huge portions of people.



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Re: Cure worse than the problem?

Post by Cataholic » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:16 pm

iaafan wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:08 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:39 pm
The left has categorized the Covid crisis as a Trump fiasco. Yet, today I was listening to the radio and heard a news report that close to 50% of Covid deaths are related to nursing homes! That is an incredible number! I googled it when in got home and doing multiple articles including this one:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspec ... -19-deaths

NY Governor Cuomo actually mandatesd that Covid patients get placed into nursing homes. Governor Bullock issued an order allowing visitors into nursing homes just 3 to 4 weeks ago. Doesn’t that sound awfully dumb? Yet somehow, Trump is getting blamed for the dumb actions at a state level?

https://dphhs.mt.gov/aboutus/news/2020/ ... rsinghomes
I know life long republicans that are branding this a Trump fiasco. Is it ALL Trumps fault? No. But much of what we’re going through is on him. If you haven’t figured that out yet, then welcome to the year 2505. He’s this thing called the President. A lot of what presidents say and do is followed by huge portions of people.
You need to watch something besides CNN or NBC. Trump has been giving direction from day one and he is constantly criticized. The ban in travel from China is exhibit number one. And with close to 50% of the deaths from nursing homes, it seems ridiculous that anybody could be blaming Trump for that.



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