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Re: Trump shout out

Post by Rich K » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:59 am

77matcat wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:44 am
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:06 pm
Interesting tidbit about Elizabeth Warren. She was payed big bucks as a contractor to work for the government rewriting bankruptcy laws. After she did that she was for hire to corporations to very specifically navigate around those same bankruptcy laws, making about $1000 per hour and raking in millions while settlements between corporations were in the billions of dollars. Quite the rainmaker.
Please provide your source. Not that I doubt you. Would be nice to read detail.
I think it might have been in that article about how her brother called her out for lying about their father or it might have been that one that explains how her daughter is in a great position to cash in on her medicare for all proposal. It's all just hoo-hum inside the beltway stuff so might as well just move along.


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Re: Trump shout out

Post by 77matcat » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:27 am

Well said John K.

I’m a Republican and have worked to elect state Republicans. 45 is not a Republican.

I understand the frustration that lead to 45’s election. What is hard to understand is the continued support of such a decrepit and corrupt person who uses the tactics of McCarty/Cohn and yes the master authoritarian Hitler. I keep waiting for a Republican to ask “have you no sense of decency”. But alas John McCain is dead and the rest have been neutered.

45 said he would give us the very very best healthcare. How hard could it be??? His DOJ now works to take away preexisting conditions protection while he boasts he gave the nation preexisting conditions protection. One of his best shell games.

Just what is 45’s healthcare plan?



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by codecat » Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:03 pm

77matcat wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:27 am
Well said John K.

I’m a Republican and have worked to elect state Republicans. 45 is not a Republican.

I understand the frustration that lead to 45’s election. What is hard to understand is the continued support of such a decrepit and corrupt person who uses the tactics of McCarty/Cohn and yes the master authoritarian Hitler. I keep waiting for a Republican to ask “have you no sense of decency”. But alas John McCain is dead and the rest have been neutered.

45 said he would give us the very very best healthcare. How hard could it be??? His DOJ now works to take away preexisting conditions protection while he boasts he gave the nation preexisting conditions protection. One of his best shell games.

Just what is 45’s healthcare plan?
Do you think its fair to expect that he provide the health care you speak of, while a "true republican" named Paul Ryan (edit: a traitor (anit-trump) to 45 and part of the swamp himself) was in charge of the house in 2017-2018, and while the "do everything they can to try to exit 45 regressives have been in charge?


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Re: Trump shout out

Post by John K » Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:52 pm

codecat wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:03 pm
77matcat wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:27 am
Well said John K.

I’m a Republican and have worked to elect state Republicans. 45 is not a Republican.

I understand the frustration that lead to 45’s election. What is hard to understand is the continued support of such a decrepit and corrupt person who uses the tactics of McCarty/Cohn and yes the master authoritarian Hitler. I keep waiting for a Republican to ask “have you no sense of decency”. But alas John McCain is dead and the rest have been neutered.

45 said he would give us the very very best healthcare. How hard could it be??? His DOJ now works to take away preexisting conditions protection while he boasts he gave the nation preexisting conditions protection. One of his best shell games.

Just what is 45’s healthcare plan?
Do you think its fair to expect that he provide the health care you speak of, while a "true republican" named Paul Ryan (edit: a traitor (anit-trump) to 45 and part of the swamp himself) was in charge of the house in 2017-2018, and while the "do everything they can to try to exit 45 regressives have been in charge?
I know I keep saying I'm done, but it's just too hard to let stuff like this go by without a response. Trump portrays himself as a master dealmaker and negotiator, yet he couldn't even get a deal done on healthcare when his party controlled both houses of congress. In response to the person who said I couldn't possibly be a moderate Republican or even an independent...I'm not a moderate Republican, but I most definitely am an independent. If any Republican could oust Trump in the primaries, I'd be very likely to vote Republican in 2020, because I'm not very enthusiastic about any of the Democratic candidates, at least not any of the ones with a realistic chance to win. It's kind of insulting for someone to tell me that if I'm not willing to gobble up Trump's BS with a spoon, then I must be some sort of flaming liberal... that I can't possibly even be an independent, let alone a moderate Republican.



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by codecat » Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:59 pm

John K wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:52 pm
codecat wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:03 pm
77matcat wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:27 am
Well said John K.

I’m a Republican and have worked to elect state Republicans. 45 is not a Republican.

I understand the frustration that lead to 45’s election. What is hard to understand is the continued support of such a decrepit and corrupt person who uses the tactics of McCarty/Cohn and yes the master authoritarian Hitler. I keep waiting for a Republican to ask “have you no sense of decency”. But alas John McCain is dead and the rest have been neutered.

45 said he would give us the very very best healthcare. How hard could it be??? His DOJ now works to take away preexisting conditions protection while he boasts he gave the nation preexisting conditions protection. One of his best shell games.

Just what is 45’s healthcare plan?
Do you think its fair to expect that he provide the health care you speak of, while a "true republican" named Paul Ryan (edit: a traitor (anit-trump) to 45 and part of the swamp himself) was in charge of the house in 2017-2018, and while the "do everything they can to try to exit 45 regressives have been in charge?
I know I keep saying I'm done, but it's just too hard to let stuff like this go by without a response. Trump portrays himself as a master dealmaker and negotiator, yet he couldn't even get a deal done on healthcare when his party controlled both houses of congress. In response to the person who said I couldn't possibly be a moderate Republican or even an independent...I'm not a moderate Republican, but I most definitely am an independent. If any Republican could oust Trump in the primaries, I'd be very likely to vote Republican in 2020, because I'm not very enthusiastic about any of the Democratic candidates, at least not any of the ones with a realistic chance to win. It's kind of insulting for someone to tell me that if I'm not willing to gobble up Trump's BS with a spoon, then I must be some sort of flaming liberal... that I can't possibly even be an independent, let alone a moderate Republican.
Thanks for not answering my question.


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Re: Trump shout out

Post by 77matcat » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:28 pm

Codecat

Right back at you. I simply asked what 45’s healthcare plan was. Serious question. It’s been 4 years since he said he was going to fix healthcare and give us the very very best best (my best effort to communicate at a 4th grade (45 level)) plan.

Tap tap tap. Waiting for your answer.



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by John K » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:22 pm

77matcat wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:28 pm
Codecat

Right back at you. I simply asked what 45’s healthcare plan was. Serious question. It’s been 4 years since he said he was going to fix healthcare and give us the very very best best (my best effort to communicate at a 4th grade (45 level)) plan.

Tap tap tap. Waiting for your answer.
He not only said he was gonna give us the "bestest" healthcare ever, he also said it was gonna be "so easy". Then when he couldn't get anything done, he said "who knew healthcare would be so difficult?". He's just a typical blowhard.



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by arvcat2 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:52 am

77matcat wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:27 am
Well said John K.

I’m a Republican and have worked to elect state Republicans. 45 is not a Republican.

I understand the frustration that lead to 45’s election. What is hard to understand is the continued support of such a decrepit and corrupt person who uses the tactics of McCarty/Cohn and yes the master authoritarian Hitler. I keep waiting for a Republican to ask “have you no sense of decency”. But alas John McCain is dead and the rest have been neutered.

45 said he would give us the very very best healthcare. How hard could it be??? His DOJ now works to take away preexisting conditions protection while he boasts he gave the nation preexisting conditions protection. One of his best shell games.

Just what is 45’s healthcare plan?
Interesting that you combine John McCain & healthcare in the same post. The senator who was a vocal critic of Obamacare and ran on repealing it but ultimately cast the deciding vote (surely you remember the famous thumb down, late one night in the Senate chamber) to NOT repeal it. Yep, that decent republican.
I agree with you in that Trump is not a republican, at least in the traditional inside the beltway RINO & warmongering sense.



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by 77matcat » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:38 am

So what’s the plan???

The cost of healthcare has increased 2 to 3 times CPI for 40 years while providing quality that places the US in the middle of other industrialized nations who pay significantly less. The most prevalent reason for bankruptcy in the US is a healthcare event. Along with cost and quality issues in MT we have real accessibility problems caused by a lack of providers.

If you were a politician representing your state would you continue to sit on your thumb??? Doing nothing is an act of dereliction.



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by John K » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:45 am

arvcat2 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:52 am
77matcat wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:27 am
Well said John K.

I’m a Republican and have worked to elect state Republicans. 45 is not a Republican.

I understand the frustration that lead to 45’s election. What is hard to understand is the continued support of such a decrepit and corrupt person who uses the tactics of McCarty/Cohn and yes the master authoritarian Hitler. I keep waiting for a Republican to ask “have you no sense of decency”. But alas John McCain is dead and the rest have been neutered.

45 said he would give us the very very best healthcare. How hard could it be??? His DOJ now works to take away preexisting conditions protection while he boasts he gave the nation preexisting conditions protection. One of his best shell games.

Just what is 45’s healthcare plan?
Interesting that you combine John McCain & healthcare in the same post. The senator who was a vocal critic of Obamacare and ran on repealing it but ultimately cast the deciding vote (surely you remember the famous thumb down, late one night in the Senate chamber) to NOT repeal it. Yep, that decent republican.
I agree with you in that Trump is not a republican, at least in the traditional inside the beltway RINO & warmongering sense.
Interesting that you paint Trump as an anti-warmongering president, which is of course just more Trump doublespeak BS. He loves to paint himself as one thing to the adoring MAGA crowd, when in reality he's actually something quite different. People opposed to "never ending wars" praised him for pulling 2,000 troops out of Syria, blissfully ignorant of the fact that he had fairly recently sent 14,000 more troops to other areas in the middle east. Rich K asked if was truly a Christian or just portraying himself as one, pandering to Evangelicals to get their vote. Of course he's just pandering to them. The way he's conducted himself as businessman, politician, world leader, and simply as a man, are about as un-Christian as you can get...at least the type of Christianity I was raised to believe in.



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by 77matcat » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:48 am

Snake oil salesman at best.



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by John K » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:58 am

77matcat wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:38 am
So what’s the plan???

The cost of healthcare has increased 2 to 3 times CPI for 40 years while providing quality that places the US in the middle of other industrialized nations who pay significantly less. The most prevalent reason for bankruptcy in the US is a healthcare event. Along with cost and quality issues in MT we have real accessibility problems caused by a lack of providers.

If you were a politician representing your state would you continue to sit on your thumb??? Doing nothing is an act of dereliction.
You know what I find most interesting about the healthcare debate, is that even the harshest critics of Obamacare, are not advocating for simply repealing it, without also replacing it with something. When Obama first proposed it, the debate wasn't Obamacare or something else, the debate was Obamacare or nothing at all...keeping the status quo of no government involvement at all in our healthcare system. The simple fact that even the most conservative Republicans are calling for "repealing and replacing" Obamacare, rather than simply repealing it, tells me that most everyone is in agreement that it's turned out to be better than nothing at all, even if it's not perfect.



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by allcat » Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:04 am

77matcat wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:48 am
Snake oil salesman at best.
I did not vote for himlast time. But I am going to buy the snake oil now.


Now sorry for caring about Cat/griz too much. I've been properly chastised by the coach of the other team. :-^

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Re: Trump shout out

Post by 77matcat » Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:10 am

Some people like rope burn.

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Re: Trump shout out

Post by allcat » Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:21 am

77matcat wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:10 am
Some people like rope burn.

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What kind of bern do you want?


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Re: Trump shout out

Post by 77matcat » Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:36 am

Hmmmm. Let me think........

I have to check and see if Medicare and my supplement covers ropebern before I answer.

😂🤣😂

Good play.



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by 77matcat » Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:45 am

John K wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:58 am
77matcat wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:38 am
So what’s the plan???

The cost of healthcare has increased 2 to 3 times CPI for 40 years while providing quality that places the US in the middle of other industrialized nations who pay significantly less. The most prevalent reason for bankruptcy in the US is a healthcare event. Along with cost and quality issues in MT we have real accessibility problems caused by a lack of providers.

If you were a politician representing your state would you continue to sit on your thumb??? Doing nothing is an act of dereliction.
You know what I find most interesting about the healthcare debate, is that even the harshest critics of Obamacare, are not advocating for simply repealing it, without also replacing it with something. When Obama first proposed it, the debate wasn't Obamacare or something else, the debate was Obamacare or nothing at all...keeping the status quo of no government involvement at all in our healthcare system. The simple fact that even the most conservative Republicans are calling for "repealing and replacing" Obamacare, rather than simply repealing it, tells me that most everyone is in agreement that it's turned out to be better than nothing at all, even if it's not perfect.
According to Adam Smith, the out come of free enterprise should be increasing quality at stable or decreasing costs. So by definition you can argue there is no invisible hand.

I’d love to see the country spend time identifying what has happened the last 40 years and then debating the solution.



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by Rich K » Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:12 am

John K wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:45 am
arvcat2 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:52 am
77matcat wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:27 am
Well said John K.

I’m a Republican and have worked to elect state Republicans. 45 is not a Republican.

I understand the frustration that lead to 45’s election. What is hard to understand is the continued support of such a decrepit and corrupt person who uses the tactics of McCarty/Cohn and yes the master authoritarian Hitler. I keep waiting for a Republican to ask “have you no sense of decency”. But alas John McCain is dead and the rest have been neutered.

45 said he would give us the very very best healthcare. How hard could it be??? His DOJ now works to take away preexisting conditions protection while he boasts he gave the nation preexisting conditions protection. One of his best shell games.

Just what is 45’s healthcare plan?
Interesting that you combine John McCain & healthcare in the same post. The senator who was a vocal critic of Obamacare and ran on repealing it but ultimately cast the deciding vote (surely you remember the famous thumb down, late one night in the Senate chamber) to NOT repeal it. Yep, that decent republican.
I agree with you in that Trump is not a republican, at least in the traditional inside the beltway RINO & warmongering sense.
Interesting that you paint Trump as an anti-warmongering president, which is of course just more Trump doublespeak BS. He loves to paint himself as one thing to the adoring MAGA crowd, when in reality he's actually something quite different. People opposed to "never ending wars" praised him for pulling 2,000 troops out of Syria, blissfully ignorant of the fact that he had fairly recently sent 14,000 more troops to other areas in the middle east. Rich K asked if was truly a Christian or just portraying himself as one, pandering to Evangelicals to get their vote. Of course he's just pandering to them. The way he's conducted himself as businessman, politician, world leader, and simply as a man, are about as un-Christian as you can get...at least the type of Christianity I was raised to believe in.
I never asked such a thing ever. Period. Don't make ****** up please.
As far as health care goes my refrain has always been that adding more government to a system already overladen with government is doomed to failure.


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Re: Trump shout out

Post by Rich K » Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:27 am

We spend decades building up social programs and when they run their (obvious) course and become boondoggles and totally ingrained into our system the same thinkers want to add more of the same in an attempt to "fix" the problem. The people that proclaimed "don't go that direction" are now accused of not having any ideas to fix it.

This isn't brain surgery folks. We spent a lot of time and a lot of money to get to a system that is collapsing on itself. Overwhelm and collapse.

My solution? Start removing government from the playing field. Slowly, quickly, whatever. Government between me and my doctor in no universe is part of a solution. Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin, because it'll hurt, but it's the only solution.


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Re: Trump shout out

Post by John K » Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:37 am

Rich K wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:12 am
John K wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:45 am
arvcat2 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:52 am
77matcat wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:27 am
Well said John K.

I’m a Republican and have worked to elect state Republicans. 45 is not a Republican.

I understand the frustration that lead to 45’s election. What is hard to understand is the continued support of such a decrepit and corrupt person who uses the tactics of McCarty/Cohn and yes the master authoritarian Hitler. I keep waiting for a Republican to ask “have you no sense of decency”. But alas John McCain is dead and the rest have been neutered.

45 said he would give us the very very best healthcare. How hard could it be??? His DOJ now works to take away preexisting conditions protection while he boasts he gave the nation preexisting conditions protection. One of his best shell games.

Just what is 45’s healthcare plan?
Interesting that you combine John McCain & healthcare in the same post. The senator who was a vocal critic of Obamacare and ran on repealing it but ultimately cast the deciding vote (surely you remember the famous thumb down, late one night in the Senate chamber) to NOT repeal it. Yep, that decent republican.
I agree with you in that Trump is not a republican, at least in the traditional inside the beltway RINO & warmongering sense.
Interesting that you paint Trump as an anti-warmongering president, which is of course just more Trump doublespeak BS. He loves to paint himself as one thing to the adoring MAGA crowd, when in reality he's actually something quite different. People opposed to "never ending wars" praised him for pulling 2,000 troops out of Syria, blissfully ignorant of the fact that he had fairly recently sent 14,000 more troops to other areas in the middle east. Rich K asked if was truly a Christian or just portraying himself as one, pandering to Evangelicals to get their vote. Of course he's just pandering to them. The way he's conducted himself as businessman, politician, world leader, and simply as a man, are about as un-Christian as you can get...at least the type of Christianity I was raised to believe in.
I never asked such a thing ever. Period. Don't make ****** up please.
As far as health care goes my refrain has always been that adding more government to a system already overladen with government is doomed to failure.
My apologies...it was wbtfg who asked that question. I read that post and must have scrolled up too far when I looked to see who posted it. I wasn't making anything up, it was just an honest error, but I should have been more careful to make sure I attributed that quote to the right person, and again I apologize. As for your comment "Don't make ****** up please"...that's pretty funny coming from a Trump supporter...a man who just "makes ****** up" all the time, from drawing on weather maps with a sharpie, to lying about the margin of his electoral victory. to lying about the size of his inauguration crowd, etc, etc, etc...and that's just the relatively trivial stuff.



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