RickRund wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:30 pm
John K wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:10 pm
RickRund wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:10 am
John K wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:15 am
wbtfg wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:20 pm
Clinton T wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:15 pm
I thought the national recognition was pretty neat too. Since him and Steve appear to be best buds, perhaps Steve could get him to write us a big fat check? MSU took Gianforte's money...let's take Trump's too! I could care less who writes checks...Steve - if you are reading this, get us that indoor practice facility!
Does his charitable foundation donate to colleges and universities?
His charitable foundation just got nailed for a multi million dollar fine, because it donates money primarily to the Trump family and the Trump campaign. Trump University also got hit for $20 million for fraud. That's about the only connection you can make between his foundation and colleges and universities. Too bad he's not as concerned about corruption in his own little corner of the world as he is about corruption in Ukraine. I know I said I wasn't gonna post anything more in this thread, but I just couldn't let that one go by.
So true John K..... All this money should be going to the Clinton Foundation where it can be put to use on helpful issues...
So that makes Trump's fraud OK? Remind me to use that defense if/when I ever get in any sort of legal trouble. I'm curious to see how well that works out for me? "Your honor, you have to drop the charges, because look at all the bad stuff Hilary Clinton did".
Just wanted to see if you had a double standard... "Trump denied that the organization had done anything wrong. In late 2016, he said he wanted to close the foundation before he became president to avoid the appearance of conflicts of interest. But the New York attorney general blocked that move while the investigation continued." I notice the Clinton foundation HAS NOT shut down. Do you feel it is a fraud and should be closed?
I'm not gonna argue with you about double standards, since Republicans seem to have written the book on double standards, considering how much higher their bar for impeachable offenses is now, as compared to 20 years ago. It's laughable to hear some of the things people like Lindsay Graham said back then, compared to what they're saying now. I readily admit that I don't know all the details about the wrongdoings of the Clinton Foundation or the Trump Foundation, but neither of the Clintons are currently residing in the White House, and neither of them are being held up as champions of anti-corruption, the way Trump is being portrayed by his cronies. I really don't know how anyone can say with a straight face, that Trump held up aid to Ukraine because he is so concerned about corruption. He has a history of fraud and corruption throughout his entire business career...but of course he was well trained in that by daddy. I notice you didn't have a rebuttal regarding the $20 million penalty levied against him for defrauding students who enrolled in his phony university.
Before you label me as some radical left wing libtard socialist, you should know that I would nave voted for almost any of the 2016 Republican candidates over Hillary, except for Trump or Ted Cruz probably. Even if you support his policies 100%, and even if you want to give him all the credit for the strong economy, I just don't understand how you can overlook his multitude of character defects. A guy who derided John McCain for being captured by the enemy, when he avoided service because of bone spurs. A guy who mocked a disabled journalist. A guy who has boasted about "grabbing women by the p***y". A guy who has cheated on every one of his wives, even while one of them was giving birth to their child. A guy who thinks none of the rules apply to him. A guy who has surrounded himself with convicted felons like Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Micheal Cohen, Michael Flynn, George Popadopoulos,and Rick Gates. I mean how many presidents have had 6 people in their orbit convicted of felonies, less than 3 years after taking office? And it's probably just a matter of time for Rudy too. If you're judged by the company you keep, then Trump should be judged pretty harshly. Of course, once they get into legal trouble, then suddenly Trump doesn't even remember their name anymore.
I especially can't understand how a guy like that has such strong support among evangelicals. He hasn't exactly been a paragon of Christian virtue throughout his life. Can you really hold him up to your kids or grandkids, as a man to be admired...a man you'd want them to emulate? I know I'd be ashamed of him, if he was one of my relatives, and I certainly wouldn't want a guy like that as a friend. I'd be greatly disappointed if any of my friends or family members were so disrespectful to other people, just because they were a Griz fan maybe, or because they had different political beliefs, or were of a different faith, or disagreed with them about whatever it may be. Trump's scorched earth "you're either with us or against us" approach is really damaging not only to the political climate, but to our culture and society in general. Not to mention the harm he's done to our relationships with our closest international allies. He's like a schoolyard bully, and he has the emotional maturity of a middle schooler. Maybe those things aren't sufficient for him to be removed from office, but I honestly can't understand how anyone can think a man like that is worthy of holding the highest office in the land. Remember when John McCain called out that woman for calling Obama a communist, and he said (paraphrasing) "no ma'am...you're wrong. He's not a communist. I just happen to have some fundamental policy differences with him". That's the kind of behavior we should expect from our leaders. Bush 43 and Obama both had their faults, and made plenty of mistakes during their presidencies, and had lots of detractors, but they were both good and decent men who for the most part treated even their most bitter political rivals with respect. With Trump though, anyone who disagrees with him about anything, even some things that are relatively insignificant, is subject to his wrath, including a torrent of petty and insulting tweets. Do you really not think we should expect better behavior than that from the leader of our country, and the man who represents the USA to the rest of the world?
Are you also going to defend people like Marsha Blackburn, after the way she impugned Purple Heart winner Alexander Vindman? You can criticize him if you want, but to accuse him of being unpatriotic, after he put his life on the line for our country, is just despicable, especially considering her undying loyalty to "bone spur boy". People like her take their cue from Trump though....anything goes when it comes to retaliating against his perceived enemies. Tell me Rick, are you among the horde of conservatives who blasted Bill Clinton for being a draft dodger, but who hasn't uttered a single word of criticism towards Trump for avoiding service...a man who allegedly said "do you think I'm stupid? I"m not going to Vietnam", when asked if he could provide any medical records to support his deferment.
I know I said it before, but this really is my last post in this thread. I know I'll never change anyone's mind about our Con Artist-In-Chief, so it seems pointless to waste any more of my time trying. It seems like it's really true that for his diehard base, he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue in Manhattan, and they'd still support him. As much as I despise Trump, even I'm a little bit on the fence about whether his actions rise to the level of impeachment, just because the whole concept is so nebulous and subjective and loosely defined. But I can't fathom how anyone can continue to claim that he didn't do anything wrong, even if you don't think it's impeachable.