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Re: Trump shout out

Post by Rich K » Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:47 am

Instead of backing out of healthcare, a robust and growing federal bureaucracy will always find inroads into our lives. The evolving opioid "crisis" is unfolding before our eyes. Behold! The crisis, either real or imagined, is here! Government exasperates, or, at best, ignores the situation. The public is agitated (if not naturally, there will always be agitators to stir 'em up.) So government will spend billions and those with government connections will know how to position themselves to foster the movement of money (through themselves or their agents) and will take a little off the top.

People scream for a solution! "Government, do something!"

So, government does something. When government does something, it's go big or go home, so government does something big.

That's all that's needed. You don't need to worry, the government solution will grow and fail whilst government moves along to the next crisis. Rinse, lather, repeat.

That's how it works, or doesn't work, depending on your viewpoint.

So the only real question is: Join them or fight them? Joining allows one to put themselves out front and reap the monetary rewards and appear to be a caring, wonderful person. If you're high enough in the food chain you can roll it in.

Fighting them means unpopularity and being proverbially spat upon. Ultimately, you'll be blamed for the failure because that's how it works.


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Re: Trump shout out

Post by RickRund » Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:29 am

Rich K wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:12 am
John K wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:45 am
arvcat2 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:52 am
77matcat wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:27 am
Well said John K.

I’m a Republican and have worked to elect state Republicans. 45 is not a Republican.

I understand the frustration that lead to 45’s election. What is hard to understand is the continued support of such a decrepit and corrupt person who uses the tactics of McCarty/Cohn and yes the master authoritarian Hitler. I keep waiting for a Republican to ask “have you no sense of decency”. But alas John McCain is dead and the rest have been neutered.

45 said he would give us the very very best healthcare. How hard could it be??? His DOJ now works to take away preexisting conditions protection while he boasts he gave the nation preexisting conditions protection. One of his best shell games.

Just what is 45’s healthcare plan?
Interesting that you combine John McCain & healthcare in the same post. The senator who was a vocal critic of Obamacare and ran on repealing it but ultimately cast the deciding vote (surely you remember the famous thumb down, late one night in the Senate chamber) to NOT repeal it. Yep, that decent republican.
I agree with you in that Trump is not a republican, at least in the traditional inside the beltway RINO & warmongering sense.
Interesting that you paint Trump as an anti-warmongering president, which is of course just more Trump doublespeak BS. He loves to paint himself as one thing to the adoring MAGA crowd, when in reality he's actually something quite different. People opposed to "never ending wars" praised him for pulling 2,000 troops out of Syria, blissfully ignorant of the fact that he had fairly recently sent 14,000 more troops to other areas in the middle east. Rich K asked if was truly a Christian or just portraying himself as one, pandering to Evangelicals to get their vote. Of course he's just pandering to them. The way he's conducted himself as businessman, politician, world leader, and simply as a man, are about as un-Christian as you can get...at least the type of Christianity I was raised to believe in.
I never asked such a thing ever. Period. Don't make ****** up please.
As far as health care goes my refrain has always been that adding more government to a system already overladen with government is doomed to failure.
Yes, we need FAR LESS GOVERNMENT. It is the old "hello, we are here from the government and we are here to help you" adage. Government programs DO NOT equal efficiency...



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by John K » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:05 am

RickRund wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:29 am
Rich K wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:12 am
John K wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:45 am
arvcat2 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:52 am
77matcat wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:27 am
Well said John K.

I’m a Republican and have worked to elect state Republicans. 45 is not a Republican.

I understand the frustration that lead to 45’s election. What is hard to understand is the continued support of such a decrepit and corrupt person who uses the tactics of McCarty/Cohn and yes the master authoritarian Hitler. I keep waiting for a Republican to ask “have you no sense of decency”. But alas John McCain is dead and the rest have been neutered.

45 said he would give us the very very best healthcare. How hard could it be??? His DOJ now works to take away preexisting conditions protection while he boasts he gave the nation preexisting conditions protection. One of his best shell games.

Just what is 45’s healthcare plan?
Interesting that you combine John McCain & healthcare in the same post. The senator who was a vocal critic of Obamacare and ran on repealing it but ultimately cast the deciding vote (surely you remember the famous thumb down, late one night in the Senate chamber) to NOT repeal it. Yep, that decent republican.
I agree with you in that Trump is not a republican, at least in the traditional inside the beltway RINO & warmongering sense.
Interesting that you paint Trump as an anti-warmongering president, which is of course just more Trump doublespeak BS. He loves to paint himself as one thing to the adoring MAGA crowd, when in reality he's actually something quite different. People opposed to "never ending wars" praised him for pulling 2,000 troops out of Syria, blissfully ignorant of the fact that he had fairly recently sent 14,000 more troops to other areas in the middle east. Rich K asked if was truly a Christian or just portraying himself as one, pandering to Evangelicals to get their vote. Of course he's just pandering to them. The way he's conducted himself as businessman, politician, world leader, and simply as a man, are about as un-Christian as you can get...at least the type of Christianity I was raised to believe in.
I never asked such a thing ever. Period. Don't make ****** up please.
As far as health care goes my refrain has always been that adding more government to a system already overladen with government is doomed to failure.
Yes, we need FAR LESS GOVERNMENT. It is the old "hello, we are here from the government and we are here to help you" adage. Government programs DO NOT equal efficiency...
I don't know what the answer is regarding healthcare, but there is really no disputing that our country isn't doing it very efficiently, before or after the advent of Obamacare. We pay more for less, than virtually every other developed country in the world. Maybe Obamacare isn't the answer, although costs have been increasing at a slightly lower rate since Obamacare went into effect, but leaving things solely in the hands of the private sector obviously wasn't serving us very well either. Unless/until someone has the guts to take on big Pharma, among other issues that need to be addressed, nothing is ever really going to change very much.



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by 77matcat » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:43 pm

So, what’s 45’s plan? What’s the Republican’s plan.

The military prosecutes for dereliction.



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by 77matcat » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:08 am

Woo what happened to the post
About the whistleblower needing direct evidence??? Can’t find but here is a lil help. I assume their source was Fox News.

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/10/no-he ... leblowers/



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by arvcat2 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:15 pm

By golly, it's looking like the Schiffshow is crumbling and President Trump will be acquitted.

Awe shucks, so sad for the house Democrats, their Demedia allies, and the TDS tag teamers John K & 77matcat. To quote the aforementioned poster 77matcat...😂🤣😂

Best of luck with the next lying hoax \:D/



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by wbtfg » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:44 pm

arvcat2 wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:15 pm
By golly, it's looking like the Schiffshow is crumbling and President Trump will be acquitted.

Awe shucks, so sad for the house Democrats, their Demedia allies, and the TDS tag teamers John K & 77matcat. To quote the aforementioned poster 77matcat...😂🤣😂

Best of luck with the next lying hoax \:D/
Republicans Lamar Alexander and Marco Rubio had some interesting public commentary on the topic. Basically saying Trump is guilty as charged, but removal from office shouldn't be the consequence for the actions



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by arvcat2 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:54 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:44 pm
arvcat2 wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:15 pm
By golly, it's looking like the Schiffshow is crumbling and President Trump will be acquitted.

Awe shucks, so sad for the house Democrats, their Demedia allies, and the TDS tag teamers John K & 77matcat. To quote the aforementioned poster 77matcat...😂🤣😂

Best of luck with the next lying hoax \:D/
Republicans Lamar Alexander and Marco Rubio had some interesting public commentary on the topic. Basically saying Trump is guilty as charged, but removal from office shouldn't be the consequence for the actions
Taking a page from your modus operandi, please provide a link (your favorite Buzzfeed excluded) to your referenced commentary.



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by wbtfg » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:05 pm

arvcat2 wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:54 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:44 pm
arvcat2 wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:15 pm
By golly, it's looking like the Schiffshow is crumbling and President Trump will be acquitted.

Awe shucks, so sad for the house Democrats, their Demedia allies, and the TDS tag teamers John K & 77matcat. To quote the aforementioned poster 77matcat...😂🤣😂

Best of luck with the next lying hoax \:D/
Republicans Lamar Alexander and Marco Rubio had some interesting public commentary on the topic. Basically saying Trump is guilty as charged, but removal from office shouldn't be the consequence for the actions
Taking a page from your modus operandi, please provide a link (your favorite Buzzfeed excluded) to your referenced commentary.
It’s in their official statements.

“Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office.” Marco Rubio.

“there is no need for more evidence to prove something that has already been proven and that does not meet the U.S. Constitution’s high bar for an impeachable offense.” Lamar Alexander.



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by John K » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:23 pm

Just remember that Alan Dershowitz also helped to get OJ acquitted, proving that just because he helps get his client off the hook, it doesn't necessarily mean they're not guilty, and also proving that he obviously doesn't mind defending despicable human beings.



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by John K » Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:06 pm

It's also pretty funny how John Bolton was praised by conservatives and was a darling of Fox News. Then after some excerpts from his book are released which support the case against against Trump, now suddenly he's the anti-Christ. Ken Starr also needs to be inducted into the HOF of hypocrisy, for the way his bar for what qualifies as impeachable offenses has been raised since the Clinton impeachment.



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by allcat » Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:08 am

John K wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:06 pm
It's also pretty funny how John Bolton was praised by conservatives and was a darling of Fox News. Then after some excerpts from his book are released which support the case against against Trump, now suddenly he's the anti-Christ. Ken Starr also needs to be inducted into the HOF of hypocrisy, for the way his bar for what qualifies as impeachable offenses has been raised since the Clinton impeachment.
Clinton committed an actual crime. He lied under oath. He got disbarred for something.


Now sorry for caring about Cat/griz too much. I've been properly chastised by the coach of the other team. :-^

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Re: Trump shout out

Post by John K » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:00 am

allcat wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:08 am
John K wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:06 pm
It's also pretty funny how John Bolton was praised by conservatives and was a darling of Fox News. Then after some excerpts from his book are released which support the case against against Trump, now suddenly he's the anti-Christ. Ken Starr also needs to be inducted into the HOF of hypocrisy, for the way his bar for what qualifies as impeachable offenses has been raised since the Clinton impeachment.
Clinton committed an actual crime. He lied under oath. He got disbarred for something.
That's something that's changed too, since the Clinton era, since Lord Donald the 1st has decreed that presidents can do anything they want, and thus are incapable of committing a crime.



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by 77matcat » Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:41 pm

Still waiting for the Republican plan to address healthcare.

What might it be. I might support if I could only find and study.



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by codecat » Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:20 pm

77matcat wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:41 pm
Still waiting for the Republican plan to address healthcare.

What might it be. I might support if I could only find and study.
Do you have any other mantra other than blasting 45 for not having a Republican plan for healthcare? Since 35, I only remember one president with a substantial healthcare plan (if you can call it that) and it was 44. I said if one can call it a health care plan because it might have well been done to accomplish the following: 1) buy votes, 2) grow government (thus stay true to his ideological mentor Saul Alinsky (who really wanted to take down the USA)), 3) set themselves up for a a chain of carefully funneled profits, and 4) narrow the gap between the middle and lower economic classes by lowering the tax-paying middle class.


Socialism - the financial model historically used to control the masses! It has noting to do with
freedom, and seriously erodes the primary constitutional freedom of free enterprise.

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Re: Trump shout out

Post by 77matcat » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:37 am

Or, for 45 years or so healthcare cost have been increasing 2 to 3 times faster than CPI and reasonable people when faced with a problem try to do something about it.

The simple definition of inflation according to my freshman Econ prof is “$ going out of your pocket into somebody else’s.” The above difference over 45 years ends up being grand larceny. Sounds like your ok with it, which to me indicates your young and don’t have any healthcare issues yet.

Also sounds like you believe that Teds father helped kill JFK and the other 15,000 or so equally hard to believe pieces of gibberish coming from 45.

45 only hires the best, right. Most everybody turned him down when asked to defend him. He did however put together a quality team that includes OJs defender and a fellow Cipollone, who as a fact witness will most likely be sanctioned and/or disbarred for his actions. Follow this. It will be interesting to see if 45 leaves him hanging or gives him a pardon.

There were no fact witnesses because after floating a half a dozen possible defenses 45s defense team settled on guilty but so what. This gave Republican senators a way out and they took it.

The result is a short term fix that gives 45 what he wanted but does not exonerate. He will forever be remembered along with the likes of OJ. I won’t be surprised if he’s arrested somewhere in the future for breaking and entry for trying to steel back some of his memorabilia. 🤣😂🤣.

I’m a pretty pragmatic person so not real upset with 45 and his foul play. I realize that for ever two steps forward there is one backwards. As a proud republican I’m confident the party will find its bearings again.



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by 77matcat » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:42 am

Hey. For all you old farts out there. Who was the Econ prof in the mid 70s that had a keg at his house the night before finals for senior level classes to study.

Not Deforest Rawls.



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Re: Trump shout out

Post by 77matcat » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:45 am

Rich K

I agree that government solutions aren’t always the best.

How do you feel about utility regulation. Mt is in an interesting position. We can judge how well deregulation worked because we did that, right. Are you better off??



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Post by codecat » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:53 pm

Thanks for the elaboration on your position 77m - at least you answered the question if you singularly bash Trump about healthcare as its obvious you care for nothing about him which is your right. Guess we will just have to see how the corruption plays out for the remainder of this and the next presidential cycle. It should be a great show...

The Entire Established Deep State vs. President Trump - coming to you from the "House of Representatives" soon.

Oh, by the way, 19 Hillary supporters of which 18 were donors, 32 million dollars, nearly 3 years later, and this group could not find one fact to talk Trump down. Trump-1 - Deep State, their ultra rich world backers, and the press - 0

Next the the deep state came at trump with a "behind closed doors" impeachment inquiry, allowing only witnesses that they wanted and did not allow for any cross-examination. They were in such a hurry to get it to the Senate that Pelosi took a month get it there, trying her best along the way to insert her power as to what the rules of the trial should be, to a separate and independent body (talk about wild non-constitutional beliefs). She finally delivered two articles of impeachment based on hearsay and no direct evidence, that are not impeachable offenses. All to prolong the Schiff Show, hoping for some other tener morsel of falshood they can hang their campain on, and its visibility to the news outlets that share common ownership, in an attempt to influence the American voter. Im guessing by this Wednesday Feb 2, the score will look more like this:
Trump-2 - Deep State, their ultra rich world backers, and the press - 0

The left used to be a political party for the people but now is only about themselves and protection of thier deep state in.....: 1) buying votes, 2) growing government (thus staying true to Obama & Hillary's ideological mentor Saul Alinsky (who really wanted to take down the USA)), 3) set themselves up for a a chain of carefully funneled profits, and 4) narrow the gap between the middle and lower economic classes by lowering the tax-paying middle class.


Socialism - the financial model historically used to control the masses! It has noting to do with
freedom, and seriously erodes the primary constitutional freedom of free enterprise.

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Re: Trump shout out

Post by 77matcat » Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:01 pm

You forgot the fact that Ted’ father helped assassinate JFK.

Not keeping track but I think that’s 45 - 3.

If you add the this to the 15,000 lies that puts him at 15,003.

I assume you believe everything that 45 says he’s accomplished. Read a couple of days ago that a 3000’ tunnel averaging 70’ deep was discovered under the boarder. The opening was discovered by Mexico law enforcement. This is a good example of what folks (and DEA reports) tried to tell 45. Most drugs and contraband come through existing ports of entry, by water or under the boarder. So money could be better spent to accomplish better boarder security. That and well, when the wall blows down it’s easy to walk over.

Studies re the tax break (just keeping it simple) have determined its effect is the same as trickle down economics. Hint, not much trickled down. It has how ever ballooned the National Dept. Being the steadfast republican you are I’m guessing your upset about that.

Oh wait. 45 has a solution to the burgeoning debt he is working on ways to cut Social Security and Medicare, so we’re fine.

Just two of his tales debunked. Not one of his fairytales survive the light of day.



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