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Has Krugman ever been correct?

Post by RickRund » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:11 am

Just with so many, Trump Derangement Syndrome is at the forefront. They/some on this forum will not give him one bit of credit. I stopped voting for the most popular when I graduated from high school. Don't always like what he says or does but he does stand up what I consider flyover country/the common guy. And for me to vote for one or any of the group that opposes him is hilarious. NOT ONE of them has a valid economic idea... And to think Krugman actually teaches his economic ideas is extremely crazy. Two points where is consistent, he hates Trump and his economic predictions are always wrong...

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Re: Has Krugman ever been correct?

Post by 77matcat » Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:51 pm

It’s not necessary to hate 45 to distrust and dislike him.

Please explain 45 University, 45 charity, 4 bankruptcies that screwed the common worker, 3 or 4 T Boone Pickens stock bate and switch plots, paying no inheritance tax on 413 million from Fred and habitually having troubles with the truth to name just a few actions/traits that would allow folks to question 45 as a person let alone a world leader.

He is at best a very good huckster. Fool me once shame on .... you probably know the rest



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Re: Has Krugman ever been correct?

Post by RickRund » Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:35 pm

77matcat wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:51 pm
It’s not necessary to hate 45 to distrust and dislike him.

Please explain 45 University, 45 charity, 4 bankruptcies that screwed the common worker, 3 or 4 T Boone Pickens stock bate and switch plots, paying no inheritance tax on 413 million from Fred and habitually having troubles with the truth to name just a few actions/traits that would allow folks to question 45 as a person let alone a world leader.

He is at best a very good huckster. Fool me once shame on .... you probably know the rest
Guess we all should have voted for hilary. She was as pure as the wind driven snow. Not even one sign of scandal.
Trumps stands on issues is pretty much in line with myself and everyone that voted for him.... Abortion, our law enforcement, our military, our border security, etc. As far as I can remember the only area I will disagree is spending. To secure less spending the only way is make sure the dems have control of the house so they can vote down his spending requests. They have the final say. You would not want to see my spending cuts if I was given a few days in charge



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Re: Has Krugman ever been correct?

Post by 77matcat » Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:36 pm

So you agree we should toss our allies under the buss, love Kim Jon-un, forge a strong tie with countries that dismember journalists, impose tariffs (China is laughing their way to the leader in clean energy technology and production, a position we held prior to the election of 45) and so much more nonsense.

I understand the consternation with the choices we had last election. Ideologically I am conservative. But 45 is a seriously self absorbed pathological liar.



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Re: Has Krugman ever been correct?

Post by cats2506 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:45 pm

77matcat wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:36 pm
So you agree we should toss our allies under the buss, love Kim Jon-un, forge a strong tie with countries that dismember journalists, impose tariffs (China is laughing their way to the leader in clean energy technology and production, a position we held prior to the election of 45) and so much more nonsense.

I understand the consternation with the choices we had last election. Ideologically I am conservative. But 45 is a seriously self absorbed pathological liar.
Our Allies? Like the ones in the EU with their socialist Governments that have been depending on the USA for protection since WWII. YOu mean the ones that have failed to hold up their NATO commitments?


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Re: Has Krugman ever been correct?

Post by 77matcat » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:11 pm

When you call your neighbor’s attention to their need to live up to an agreement that was ok with your predecessors for 40 years you just pull out your rifle and shoot them. Well that’s good for Putin and Erdogan, well and you if you have twin towers in Turkey and would like to have them in Russia.

Regarding our allies the Kurds they have overpaid. They paid in blood for pursuing our enemies and then paid in blood and land when 45 said tally ho.

What a guy.

Isolationism is what gave Hitler his opening. All strong men autocrats are delighted with 45.



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Re: Has Krugman ever been correct?

Post by allcat » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:55 am

77matcat wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:11 pm
When you call your neighbor’s attention to their need to live up to an agreement that was ok with your predecessors for 40 years you just pull out your rifle and shoot them. Well that’s good for Putin and Erdogan, well and you if you have twin towers in Turkey and would like to have them in Russia.

Regarding our allies the Kurds they have overpaid. They paid in blood for pursuing our enemies and then paid in blood and land when 45 said tally ho.

What a guy.

Isolationism is what gave Hitler his opening. All strong men autocrats are delighted with 45.
Citing the Kurds is rich, everybody in the past has blown them off. Not just Trump.


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Re: Has Krugman ever been correct?

Post by 77matcat » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:01 am

The Middle East is complicated but that assertion isn’t accurate, but I like the logic — Bobby Hauck is an asshat so 45 can be an asshat.

My dads bigger than your dad. So there.

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Re: Has Krugman ever been correct?

Post by cats2506 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:35 am

77matcat wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:11 pm
When you call your neighbor’s attention to their need to live up to an agreement that was ok with your predecessors for 40 years you just pull out your rifle and shoot them. Well that’s good for Putin and Erdogan, well and you if you have twin towers in Turkey and would like to have them in Russia.

Regarding our allies the Kurds they have overpaid. They paid in blood for pursuing our enemies and then paid in blood and land when 45 said tally ho.

What a guy.

Isolationism is what gave Hitler his opening. All strong men autocrats are delighted with 45.
We haven't been in Syria for 40 year and have no need for a long term commitment there, the Syrians, Kurds, ISIS remnants, Turks and Russians will never come to any agreement as long as we are there. Now that we have left the Syians and the Kurds have entered into a tentative alliance, but those are the people who need to make it work not us.

The only reason we originally went into Syria was so that the Obama Admin could funnel weapons and money to ISIS to try to overthrow Assad. Putin and Turkey blocked that plan and Trump was left in a stalemate and did exactly what he said he would do. "Bomb the ****** out of ISIS and come home".

Regime change is not a viable objective.


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Re: Has Krugman ever been correct?

Post by 77matcat » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:39 am

The point was it’s important how you do things.



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Re: Has Krugman ever been correct?

Post by cats2506 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:47 am

77matcat wrote:
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The point was it’s important how you do things.
Which is why Obama foreign policy was such a failure, I would probably include Bush II, Clinton and Bush I in that too. The last real leader we had was Reagan until Trump.


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Re: Has Krugman ever been correct?

Post by 77matcat » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:48 am

We’ve been in the Middle East since the Barbary wars. So for ever.

We should exit. But let’s do that in a fashion that supports our foreign police, not our investment s in trump towers.



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Re: Has Krugman ever been correct?

Post by cats2506 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:56 am

77matcat wrote:
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We’ve been in the Middle East since the Barbary wars. So for ever.

We should exit. But let’s do that in a fashion that supports our foreign police, not our investment s in trump towers.
Weren't the Barbary wars in present day Libya? so like Northern Africa

What is "foreign police" ?

What is our investment in "Trump towers"?

Are you speaking some kind of Antifa code or something?


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Re: Has Krugman ever been correct?

Post by 77matcat » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:52 am

. United States foreign policy in the Middle East has its roots as early as the Barbary Wars in the first years of the U.S.'s existence, but became much more expansive after World War II.

. Foreign police = Foreign policy. If you are a true 45 disciple you should understand. 😂🤣

. Making a decision based on trump towers investment which appears obvious.

. Last but not least I’m more conservative than liberal. Just haven’t tasted the koolaid yet.



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Re: Has Krugman ever been correct?

Post by cats2506 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:22 pm

77matcat wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:52 am
. United States foreign policy in the Middle East has its roots as early as the Barbary Wars in the first years of the U.S.'s existence, but became much more expansive after World War II.

. Foreign police = Foreign policy. If you are a true 45 disciple you should understand. 😂🤣

. Making a decision based on trump towers investment which appears obvious.

. Last but not least I’m more conservative than liberal. Just haven’t tasted the koolaid yet.
Just because the Barbary wars were against Muslims, doesn't mean it should be guiding our foreign Policy today.
I would argue that oil has been the biggest factor in our Mideast policies since the 70's, by stimulating our own oil production Trump has enabled us to change those policies, questionable countries that we needed as allies in the past are no longer needed and policies can be set based on our true national security interests rather than a need for oil. Europe still needs their oil and has different interests, they need to protect themselves since it is no longer in our interests to do so.

While it is not perfect, Trump has been trying to get us out of being the worlds police force (see above), I support those efforts

What specific decisions do you think are based on Trumps personal investments or businesses?

Oh, you've tasted it, its just that your drinking the wrong flavor [-X

I'm probably much more libertarian than you think, I am not a socialist though and Trump is far and away the best option for our country


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Re: Has Krugman ever been correct?

Post by 77matcat » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:27 pm

Isn’t the better question what 45 decision hasn’t been made with his interests in mind. Too many examples to start.

The definition of socialism is the production and distribution of goods are controlled by the gov. Which candidate is suggesting that. I missed it.

Sociopathic pathological liar.



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Re: Has Krugman ever been correct?

Post by cats2506 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:06 am

So you cant give even one example.
Bernie for one, All of the Dem candidates are in favor of socialized healthcare, Warren wants government to have absolute control of the financial system, the so called "wealth tax" besides being unconstitutional is absolutely socialist in nature, the "Green New Deal" is socialist redistribution of wealth. I can go on but most of these are supported by a majority if not all of the Democrat candidates.

Now I wont say that Trump doesn't spin the facts to his favor, but the so called lies that the MSM calls him on are ridiculous, If Trump got up in the morning and look out and said it was a nice day, the MSM would be counting clouds all day to prove that his statement was a lie. The amount of disinformation we receive from the media is far greater than any stretching of the truth that Trump does.


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Re: Has Krugman ever been correct?

Post by 77matcat » Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:14 pm

None of the programs you stated suggest the production and distribution is controlled by the state. So by definition they aren’t socialism.

Like the 5 day workweek, workers comp and social security they are social programs that the majority of the nation will have to support before the congress will create. Can you imagine living in a word that works 7 12 shifts with no workers comp when injured by deplorable conditions and having no type of retirement help when you were spent. These were the conditions and worse during the industrial revolution. The Rockefeller’s and Carnagie’s of their time also referred to these changes as socialistic programs that would mean the end of the county. Seems we can take care of our brothers and still do just fine.

In regard to healthcare, the cost has increased at a rate 2 to 4 times the rest of the goods and services in the nation for 40 years. Clearly no invisible hand here therefore no free enterprise by definition. When we have no competition like the delivery of power we regulate. After 40 years of significant year after year increases and care that is rated at the bottom of the industrialized nations, isn’t continuing to do the same and expecting something different the definition of insanity???

If you’ve not had a friend or family member that has spent tons of money they didn’t have on healthcare consider yourself lucky.

I believe 45 thought healthcare was pretty simple during the election and stated he’d have a quick fix. Later he stated who would have thought it could be so complicated. The answer is everybody that lives in the real world.

I believe over a year ago he stated he’d have is program ready soon. Please let me know what it is. I’m ready to try something new for forty years. To do nothing is insanity.



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