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Post by RickRund » Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:59 pm

Just when you think a more crazy quote cannot be spoken... And they really want to be taken seriously..

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Post by wbtfg » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:02 pm

That guy is clearly in over his head and should probably talk less.



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Post by RickRund » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:56 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:02 pm
That guy is clearly in over his head and should probably talk less.
Oh no, let him keep talking :)



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Post by John K » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:20 am

How some people can continue to defend Trump, is truly beyond belief. He really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue in NYC, and the Trumpford wives would still adore him. You can't honestly believe that he was genuinely worried about corruption in Ukraine, rather than damaging Biden specifically...I mean really? Stuff like this is nothing new for him. His career and life are filled with situations similar to this, where he would do anything to advance his own personal interests, and stop at nothing to damage his opponents and rivals. Is this an impeachable offense? I can understand having a debate about whether it rises to that level or not. But to just pretend like he did nothing wrong is so naive as to be laughable.



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Post by cats2506 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:32 am

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How some people can continue to defend Trump, is truly beyond belief. He really could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue in NYC, and the Trumpford wives would still adore him. You can't honestly believe that he was genuinely worried about corruption in Ukraine, rather than damaging Biden specifically...I mean really? Stuff like this is nothing new for him. His career and life are filled with situations similar to this, where he would do anything to advance his own personal interests, and stop at nothing to damage his opponents and rivals. Is this an impeachable offense? I can understand having a debate about whether it rises to that level or not. But to just pretend like he did nothing wrong is so naive as to be laughable.
There is a lot of credible evidence that major parts of the "Russia" hoax originated in Ukraine. If you really believe that Trump (and his supporters) don't want that investigated then you are an idiot. He asked for "any information that could help with the investigation". I doubt gave any thought that Biden may be a possible 2020 competitor, he's an idiot and will never get the nomination. The whole purpose was to clear up the origins of the RUSSIA HOAX.

If you can't see that then you are just a left wing shill

Trump has don't nothing wrong in regards to Ukraine and there is absolutely zero that has been shown that is anything close to an impeachable offense.


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Post by John K » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:03 pm

Correction....there is zero credible evidence that Russian meddling is a hoax. Even most Republicans don't dispute that. Trump disparaging loyal public servants who have served many years under presidents of both parties is despicable. No evidence at all that they are "never Trumpers". Pardoning a convicted war criminal, against the advice of his own military advisers, is also despicable. But that's Trump's MO. If you're on his side, anything goes, there are no rules. If you criticize him or speak out against him in any way, you're depicted as an enemy of the state. That's not the way it's supposed to work. If you can't understand that, you're the shill.



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Post by John K » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:19 pm

For whatever it's worth, I'm no great fan of Biden, or any of the Dem front runners for that matter. If it was anyone but Trump, I'd almost certainly vote Republican in the 2020 presidential election. I'm very discouraged that none of the other more moderate Dems can gain any traction, other than Biden.



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Post by 91catAlum » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:48 pm

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Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:19 pm
For whatever it's worth, I'm no great fan of Biden, or any of the Dem front runners for that matter. If it was anyone but Trump, I'd almost certainly vote Republican in the 2020 presidential election. I'm very discouraged that none of the other more moderate Dems can gain any traction, other than Biden.
I'm discouraged too. I'm a never-Trumper conservative, and I'd vote for a moderate Dem. I will not vote for any of the far left idiots who don't understand math, like Sanders, Warren, or Harris for example.

All the Dems need to do this election is not go crazy and nominate a socialist who will alienate independent voters. So far it doesn't appear they can handle that simple task. And if any of the afore-mentioned candidates get nominated, you can plan on 4 more years of Trump.


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Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:03 pm
Correction....there is zero credible evidence that Russian meddling is a hoax. Even most Republicans don't dispute that. Trump disparaging loyal public servants who have served many years under presidents of both parties is despicable. No evidence at all that they are "never Trumpers". Pardoning a convicted war criminal, against the advice of his own military advisers, is also despicable. But that's Trump's MO. If you're on his side, anything goes, there are no rules. If you criticize him or speak out against him in any way, you're depicted as an enemy of the state. That's not the way it's supposed to work. If you can't understand that, you're the shill.
We are talking 2 different things here.

Russian Meddling = fact, but pretty inconsequential to the 2016 election
Russian Collusion = hoax, and lots of evidence of illegal activities by Dem supporters and the previous administration to push this hoax on the american public.

If you don't know or see the difference then you are just a shill and part of the problem.'


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Post by cats2506 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:23 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:48 pm
John K wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:19 pm
For whatever it's worth, I'm no great fan of Biden, or any of the Dem front runners for that matter. If it was anyone but Trump, I'd almost certainly vote Republican in the 2020 presidential election. I'm very discouraged that none of the other more moderate Dems can gain any traction, other than Biden.
I'm discouraged too. I'm a never-Trumper conservative, and I'd vote for a moderate Dem. I will not vote for any of the far left idiots who don't understand math, like Sanders, Warren, or Harris for example.

All the Dems need to do this election is not go crazy and nominate a socialist who will alienate independent voters. So far it doesn't appear they can handle that simple task. And if any of the afore-mentioned candidates get nominated, you can plan on 4 more years of Trump.
TRUMP is the moderate, he is not a neocon warmonger (Bush, Mcain & Romny) and he's not a far left socialist.

Maybe he says mean thing you don't like but he is IS THE MODERATE and is Making America Great Again


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Re: Quote by member of impeachment committee

Post by John K » Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:19 pm

cats2506 wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:23 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:48 pm
John K wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:19 pm
For whatever it's worth, I'm no great fan of Biden, or any of the Dem front runners for that matter. If it was anyone but Trump, I'd almost certainly vote Republican in the 2020 presidential election. I'm very discouraged that none of the other more moderate Dems can gain any traction, other than Biden.
I'm discouraged too. I'm a never-Trumper conservative, and I'd vote for a moderate Dem. I will not vote for any of the far left idiots who don't understand math, like Sanders, Warren, or Harris for example.

All the Dems need to do this election is not go crazy and nominate a socialist who will alienate independent voters. So far it doesn't appear they can handle that simple task. And if any of the afore-mentioned candidates get nominated, you can plan on 4 more years of Trump.
TRUMP is the moderate, he is not a neocon warmonger (Bush, Mcain & Romny) and he's not a far left socialist.

Maybe he says mean thing you don't like but he is IS THE MODERATE and is Making America Great Again
Trump has never in his entire life made anything great. Hope you've accumulated lots of frequent flyer miles on Trump Shuttle, and are planning on sending your kids to Trump U. How about that ****** he pulled with his foundation? That's blatant fraud. The guy is nothing but a con man, and I can't believe you or anyone actually buy his BS. He's pissed off all our allies, and he's bff's with all our enemies. If he's such a great businessman, why is it that he had to go to Deutsche Bank to get a loan, after no self respecting American bank would give him one? You're right about one thing. He's certainly not a true conservative in any sense, which makes it all the more baffling that conservatives are so mindlessly loyal to him. In fact he really has no ideology at all, except whatever best serves his own self interest.



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Post by John K » Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:21 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:48 pm
John K wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:19 pm
For whatever it's worth, I'm no great fan of Biden, or any of the Dem front runners for that matter. If it was anyone but Trump, I'd almost certainly vote Republican in the 2020 presidential election. I'm very discouraged that none of the other more moderate Dems can gain any traction, other than Biden.
I'm discouraged too. I'm a never-Trumper conservative, and I'd vote for a moderate Dem. I will not vote for any of the far left idiots who don't understand math, like Sanders, Warren, or Harris for example.

All the Dems need to do this election is not go crazy and nominate a socialist who will alienate independent voters. So far it doesn't appear they can handle that simple task. And if any of the afore-mentioned candidates get nominated, you can plan on 4 more years of Trump.
I agree 100% with everything you said. The sad thing is, they had some good moderate candidates, but for whatever reason, none of them could ever gain any traction



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Post by John K » Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:47 pm

Catastrophy and Trump have about the same level of emotional maturity. They both get their jollies by directing infantile insults at their opponents/rivals.



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Post by allcat » Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:54 pm

John K wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:47 pm
Catastrophy and Trump have about the same level of emotional maturity. They both get their jollies by directing infantile insults at their opponents/rivals.
I would not vote for Hillary or Trump in the last election. I don't care that he is not a choir boy I'm voting Trump this election. I just look at what he has accomplished.


Now sorry for caring about Cat/griz too much. I've been properly chastised by the coach of the other team. :-^

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Post by cats2506 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:55 pm

John K wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:19 pm
cats2506 wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:23 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:48 pm
John K wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:19 pm
For whatever it's worth, I'm no great fan of Biden, or any of the Dem front runners for that matter. If it was anyone but Trump, I'd almost certainly vote Republican in the 2020 presidential election. I'm very discouraged that none of the other more moderate Dems can gain any traction, other than Biden.
I'm discouraged too. I'm a never-Trumper conservative, and I'd vote for a moderate Dem. I will not vote for any of the far left idiots who don't understand math, like Sanders, Warren, or Harris for example.

All the Dems need to do this election is not go crazy and nominate a socialist who will alienate independent voters. So far it doesn't appear they can handle that simple task. And if any of the afore-mentioned candidates get nominated, you can plan on 4 more years of Trump.
TRUMP is the moderate, he is not a neocon warmonger (Bush, Mcain & Romny) and he's not a far left socialist.

Maybe he says mean thing you don't like but he is IS THE MODERATE and is Making America Great Again
Trump has never in his entire life made anything great. Hope you've accumulated lots of frequent flyer miles on Trump Shuttle, and are planning on sending your kids to Trump U. How about that ****** he pulled with his foundation? That's blatant fraud. The guy is nothing but a con man, and I can't believe you or anyone actually buy his BS. He's pissed off all our allies, and he's bff's with all our enemies. If he's such a great businessman, why is it that he had to go to Deutsche Bank to get a loan, after no self respecting American bank would give him one? You're right about one thing. He's certainly not a true conservative in any sense, which makes it all the more baffling that conservatives are so mindlessly loyal to him. In fact he really has no ideology at all, except whatever best serves his own self interest.
The economy is booming, unnecessary regulations have been cut, bad trade agreements are being negotiated, CO2 emissions are down, the wall is being built and liberals are REEEEEEEEEEEEing.

Oh yeah, I dont really care what the global socialist countries think of us, but we are making them pay for their own protection now.

SO we are well on our way to being great again.


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Post by arvcat2 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:23 am

cats2506 wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:55 pm
John K wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:19 pm
cats2506 wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:23 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:48 pm
John K wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:19 pm
For whatever it's worth, I'm no great fan of Biden, or any of the Dem front runners for that matter. If it was anyone but Trump, I'd almost certainly vote Republican in the 2020 presidential election. I'm very discouraged that none of the other more moderate Dems can gain any traction, other than Biden.
I'm discouraged too. I'm a never-Trumper conservative, and I'd vote for a moderate Dem. I will not vote for any of the far left idiots who don't understand math, like Sanders, Warren, or Harris for example.

All the Dems need to do this election is not go crazy and nominate a socialist who will alienate independent voters. So far it doesn't appear they can handle that simple task. And if any of the afore-mentioned candidates get nominated, you can plan on 4 more years of Trump.
TRUMP is the moderate, he is not a neocon warmonger (Bush, Mcain & Romny) and he's not a far left socialist.

Maybe he says mean thing you don't like but he is IS THE MODERATE and is Making America Great Again
Trump has never in his entire life made anything great. Hope you've accumulated lots of frequent flyer miles on Trump Shuttle, and are planning on sending your kids to Trump U. How about that ****** he pulled with his foundation? That's blatant fraud. The guy is nothing but a con man, and I can't believe you or anyone actually buy his BS. He's pissed off all our allies, and he's bff's with all our enemies. If he's such a great businessman, why is it that he had to go to Deutsche Bank to get a loan, after no self respecting American bank would give him one? You're right about one thing. He's certainly not a true conservative in any sense, which makes it all the more baffling that conservatives are so mindlessly loyal to him. In fact he really has no ideology at all, except whatever best serves his own self interest.
The economy is booming, unnecessary regulations have been cut, bad trade agreements are being negotiated, CO2 emissions are down, the wall is being built and liberals are REEEEEEEEEEEEing.

Oh yeah, I dont really care what the global socialist countries think of us, but we are making them pay for their own protection now.

SO we are well on our way to being great again.
In our two party system, politicians by in large have to identify as a D or R. Trump is not a traditional R and is the closest President in my life time to being an Independent.

Say what you want about his personality/likeability, but I know I can speak for his base of support – he FIGHTS the dishonest legacy/mainstream media, the corrupt DC beltway establishment (both parties), the entrenched job secured federal bureaucracy and, of course, the democratic/socialist party. His economic achievements have been historic (with little to no help from Congress) & his America first foreign policy is refreshing. Feelings, form over substance & image is everything, be damned.



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Post by 77matcat » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:26 am

Given economies are like battleships, they don’t turn on a dime, the only thing 45 has accomplished is not to have F’ed up the trend that started at the end of the Great Recession. If you need a reminded of why the Great Recession started lease just google.

Although he hasn’t F’ed the current trend the huge debt he’s incurred giving the top 1% a tax break does jeopardize future performance. Don’t worry. Your children and grandchildren will take care of it.

He’s good at creating a sound byte story. I’m amazed by the folks that eat it hook line and sinker.

Ive forgotten, who’s father was involved with the Kennedy assassination???

If this were a reality show it would be entertaining.

Oh wait.



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Rex has him pegged.



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Post by John K » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:46 am

77matcat wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:26 am
Given economies are like battleships, they don’t turn on a dime, the only thing 45 has accomplished is not to have F’ed up the trend that started at the end of the Great Recession. If you need a reminded of why the Great Recession started lease just google.

Although he hasn’t F’ed the current trend the huge debt he’s incurred giving the top 1% a tax break does jeopardize future performance. Don’t worry. Your children and grandchildren will take care of it.

He’s good at creating a sound byte story. I’m amazed by the folks that eat it hook line and sinker.

Ive forgotten, who’s father was involved with the Kennedy assassination???

If this were a reality show it would be entertaining.

Oh wait.
Obama inherited an economy that was on the verge of a total meltdown, and had it humming along very strongly when he handed it off to Trump. Trump inherited a very strong economy, and has done nothing more than maintain it at approximately the same level. Actually, a million more jobs were created during the last 30 months under Obama, than during the first 30 months under Trump. Yet somehow the Trumpies would have you believe that Obama was leading us down the path to economic ruin, until Trump came along to save the day. You really have to suspend any sort of logical thinking to buy into that narrative. Remember how Trump always used to say the numbers were phony when he was running for President? And yet, he's never questioned the validity of the economic stats since he came into office, has he? It's like if there was a football coach who inherited a 1-10 team, and a few years later they went 10-1. Then the new coach comes along and goes 10-1 again (or maybe just 9-2) but the fans thinks the first guy was a bum, and the 2nd guy is a hero. That doesn't really make any sense does it?



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John K wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:46 am
77matcat wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:26 am
Given economies are like battleships, they don’t turn on a dime, the only thing 45 has accomplished is not to have F’ed up the trend that started at the end of the Great Recession. If you need a reminded of why the Great Recession started lease just google.

Although he hasn’t F’ed the current trend the huge debt he’s incurred giving the top 1% a tax break does jeopardize future performance. Don’t worry. Your children and grandchildren will take care of it.

He’s good at creating a sound byte story. I’m amazed by the folks that eat it hook line and sinker.

Ive forgotten, who’s father was involved with the Kennedy assassination???

If this were a reality show it would be entertaining.

Oh wait.
Obama inherited an economy that was on the verge of a total meltdown, and had it humming along very strongly when he handed it off to Trump. Trump inherited a very strong economy, and has done nothing more than maintain it at approximately the same level. Actually, a million more jobs were created during the last 30 months under Obama, than during the first 30 months under Trump. Yet somehow the Trumpies would have you believe that Obama was leading us down the path to economic ruin, until Trump came along to save the day. You really have to suspend any sort of logical thinking to buy into that narrative. Remember how Trump always used to say the numbers were phony when he was running for President? And yet, he's never questioned the validity of the economic stats since he came into office, has he? It's like if there was a football coach who inherited a 1-10 team, and a few years later they went 10-1. Then the new coach comes along and goes 10-1 again (or maybe just 9-2) but the fans thinks the first guy was a bum, and the 2nd guy is a hero. That doesn't really make any sense does it?
Here is why I don't believe that Obama and his policies have anything to do with the current economy and why I think Trumps policies do.

I work for a company that manufactures a product for food distribution companies internationally, (think Walmart, Costco, Sams, Kroger, Albertsons ect...)
For the 8 years of Obama we were on hold, selling only necessary upgrades, very few new distribution warehouses were being built. We were told by several of our customers that "Plans were being made for new buildings but they were waiting for the economy to change". As soon as Trump was elected we started getting calls. 2017 was almost 40% above the best of the Obama years. 2018 and 2019 have each been better than the previous year.

My wages and bonuses were pretty stagnate throughout the Obama years, in 2017 that changed, in addition my taxes decreased. This happened across the company. I'm not upper management, the improvements in take home pay have shown for everyone, from the factory floor on up.

What we have been told is that the biggest factor urging these companies to build at the time they have is the relaxation of unneeded regulations and improvements to the tax burden on these corporations.

You may say that it is the 1% getting these tax breaks, but it simply isn't true, there has been a huge reinvestment of capital in the last 3 years and companies like the one I work for have benefited greatly from it.

Remember the "Those jobs are not coming back". Well Obama was talking about my manufacturing job when he said that. Now under Trump not only is my job safe, but we have more people on the payroll than ever.


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