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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by The Butcher » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:21 am

This is pretty scary! Russia is playing a major role in American politics, and there has been little effort to acknowledge the issue in D.C.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/p ... -race.html



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by The Butcher » Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:10 pm

The Butcher wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 11:38 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:21 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 10:25 am
Yeah- Trump definitely is tied to Russia (Putin). The evidence is sprinkled all over the place, but obstruction has played out well for Trump.

As for the whole Flynn issue... I would say Barr might have stepped into it pretty good for Trump.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2000-do ... d=70615677
I probably should not step into this conversation, but your interpretation is way off. You should probably look for a better news source than the liberal left leaning anti-Trump mainstream media (ABC in this case). Here are some actual facts:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/07/do ... orruption/

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/29/ex ... him-fired/

Here is an excerpt on Russia interference from the second article:

“ In reality, the only Russian collusion that happened during the 2016 campaign was between the Clinton campaign and a subcontractor it funded, who was at the time working on behalf of a sanctioned Russian oligarch. That agent, former British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, created for the Clinton campaign the entire basis for charges of illegal collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. That document, known as the Steele dossier, has been thoroughly debunked since it was first released in early January 2017. The Clinton campaign, in cooperation with the Democratic National Committee, secretly funded the creation of that document and its distribution throughout the media. To date, none of its key collusion claims has been corroborated.

Steele’s operation became a primary basis for the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the Trump campaign. The false allegations contained in the dossier were also used by FBI and DOJ officials to justify four separate spy warrants against Carter Page, a Trump campaign affiliate. The FBI also investigated Flynn as part of this operation.”
You are quoting The Federalist. Enough said.
This was too good! I had to post this follow up on how The Federalist is absolute garbage!

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ ... -n1231176



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by iaafan » Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:37 pm

The Butcher wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:10 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 11:38 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:21 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 10:25 am
Yeah- Trump definitely is tied to Russia (Putin). The evidence is sprinkled all over the place, but obstruction has played out well for Trump.

As for the whole Flynn issue... I would say Barr might have stepped into it pretty good for Trump.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2000-do ... d=70615677
I probably should not step into this conversation, but your interpretation is way off. You should probably look for a better news source than the liberal left leaning anti-Trump mainstream media (ABC in this case). Here are some actual facts:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/07/do ... orruption/

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/29/ex ... him-fired/

Here is an excerpt on Russia interference from the second article:

“ In reality, the only Russian collusion that happened during the 2016 campaign was between the Clinton campaign and a subcontractor it funded, who was at the time working on behalf of a sanctioned Russian oligarch. That agent, former British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, created for the Clinton campaign the entire basis for charges of illegal collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. That document, known as the Steele dossier, has been thoroughly debunked since it was first released in early January 2017. The Clinton campaign, in cooperation with the Democratic National Committee, secretly funded the creation of that document and its distribution throughout the media. To date, none of its key collusion claims has been corroborated.

Steele’s operation became a primary basis for the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the Trump campaign. The false allegations contained in the dossier were also used by FBI and DOJ officials to justify four separate spy warrants against Carter Page, a Trump campaign affiliate. The FBI also investigated Flynn as part of this operation.”
You are quoting The Federalist. Enough said.
This was too good! I had to post this follow up on how The Federalist is absolute garbage!

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ ... -n1231176
Gotta love the rationale behind people thinking the mainstream media is left leaning. The republicans do so much newsworthy B.S. that they get on the news. What's the media supposed to do, not report on it? Or, like Fox, sugar coat it? It's not the MSM's fault that the right is always getting their asses in a wringer. If you don't want to get bad press (bad press isn't bias), then don't do bad stuff.



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by catbooster » Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:54 pm

iaafan wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:03 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 11:38 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:21 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 10:25 am
Yeah- Trump definitely is tied to Russia (Putin). The evidence is sprinkled all over the place, but obstruction has played out well for Trump.

As for the whole Flynn issue... I would say Barr might have stepped into it pretty good for Trump.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2000-do ... d=70615677
I probably should not step into this conversation, but your interpretation is way off. You should probably look for a better news source than the liberal left leaning anti-Trump mainstream media (ABC in this case). Here are some actual facts:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/07/do ... orruption/

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/29/ex ... him-fired/

Here is an excerpt on Russia interference from the second article:

“ In reality, the only Russian collusion that happened during the 2016 campaign was between the Clinton campaign and a subcontractor it funded, who was at the time working on behalf of a sanctioned Russian oligarch. That agent, former British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, created for the Clinton campaign the entire basis for charges of illegal collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. That document, known as the Steele dossier, has been thoroughly debunked since it was first released in early January 2017. The Clinton campaign, in cooperation with the Democratic National Committee, secretly funded the creation of that document and its distribution throughout the media. To date, none of its key collusion claims has been corroborated.

Steele’s operation became a primary basis for the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the Trump campaign. The false allegations contained in the dossier were also used by FBI and DOJ officials to justify four separate spy warrants against Carter Page, a Trump campaign affiliate. The FBI also investigated Flynn as part of this operation.”
You are quoting The Federalist. Enough said.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federalist/
I don't think you need the media bias website to know the federalist is biased. They aren't subtle about it. I don't follow the site so I clicked on the first federalist link Cataholic gave above. The top 3 headlines next to it are:

SCOTUS’S TRANSGENDER RULING FIREBOMBS THE CONSTITUTION
THE MONUMENT-DESTROYING MOBS DON’T HATE THE CONFEDERACY, THEY HATE AMERICA
WELCOME TO YOUR NEW WORLD ORDER: A RUNDOWN OF WOKE INSANITY AMID THE NEWEST CULTURAL REVOLUTION

Whether you agree with what they have to say or not, how can you read those headlines and not acknowledge that it is a biased site? There is no attempt to hide their bias based on those headlines.

I'm not trying to argue one side or the other in this case. Nor would I say you can't glean something interesting/informative or factual from a biased site. And yes, there are biased sources on both sides of every argument (but the bias from the other side is worse than the bias on my side :wink: ) But you have to read sites like this acknowledging that the information is suspect and with a critical eye regardless.

Sorry to derail your discussion about Russian collusion. I'm just so tired of opinions being backed up by questionable content from the internet as if those articles settle the question - and then the discussion turning to arguing about which side is more biased or who's bias is more justified.

Anyway - back to Russia.....



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by Cataholic » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:25 pm

The Butcher wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:10 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 11:38 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:21 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 10:25 am
Yeah- Trump definitely is tied to Russia (Putin). The evidence is sprinkled all over the place, but obstruction has played out well for Trump.

As for the whole Flynn issue... I would say Barr might have stepped into it pretty good for Trump.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2000-do ... d=70615677
I probably should not step into this conversation, but your interpretation is way off. You should probably look for a better news source than the liberal left leaning anti-Trump mainstream media (ABC in this case). Here are some actual facts:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/07/do ... orruption/

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/29/ex ... him-fired/

Here is an excerpt on Russia interference from the second article:

“ In reality, the only Russian collusion that happened during the 2016 campaign was between the Clinton campaign and a subcontractor it funded, who was at the time working on behalf of a sanctioned Russian oligarch. That agent, former British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, created for the Clinton campaign the entire basis for charges of illegal collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. That document, known as the Steele dossier, has been thoroughly debunked since it was first released in early January 2017. The Clinton campaign, in cooperation with the Democratic National Committee, secretly funded the creation of that document and its distribution throughout the media. To date, none of its key collusion claims has been corroborated.

Steele’s operation became a primary basis for the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the Trump campaign. The false allegations contained in the dossier were also used by FBI and DOJ officials to justify four separate spy warrants against Carter Page, a Trump campaign affiliate. The FBI also investigated Flynn as part of this operation.”
You are quoting The Federalist. Enough said.
This was too good! I had to post this follow up on how The Federalist is absolute garbage!

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ ... -n1231176
You plan to issue a retraction like google did? Or that don’t matter to you?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/nbc-news- ... ohedge-ads



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by Cataholic » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:34 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:25 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:10 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 11:38 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:21 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 10:25 am
Yeah- Trump definitely is tied to Russia (Putin). The evidence is sprinkled all over the place, but obstruction has played out well for Trump.

As for the whole Flynn issue... I would say Barr might have stepped into it pretty good for Trump.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2000-do ... d=70615677
I probably should not step into this conversation, but your interpretation is way off. You should probably look for a better news source than the liberal left leaning anti-Trump mainstream media (ABC in this case). Here are some actual facts:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/07/do ... orruption/

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/29/ex ... him-fired/

Here is an excerpt on Russia interference from the second article:

“ In reality, the only Russian collusion that happened during the 2016 campaign was between the Clinton campaign and a subcontractor it funded, who was at the time working on behalf of a sanctioned Russian oligarch. That agent, former British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, created for the Clinton campaign the entire basis for charges of illegal collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. That document, known as the Steele dossier, has been thoroughly debunked since it was first released in early January 2017. The Clinton campaign, in cooperation with the Democratic National Committee, secretly funded the creation of that document and its distribution throughout the media. To date, none of its key collusion claims has been corroborated.

Steele’s operation became a primary basis for the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the Trump campaign. The false allegations contained in the dossier were also used by FBI and DOJ officials to justify four separate spy warrants against Carter Page, a Trump campaign affiliate. The FBI also investigated Flynn as part of this operation.”
You are quoting The Federalist. Enough said.
This was too good! I had to post this follow up on how The Federalist is absolute garbage!

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ ... -n1231176
You plan to issue a retraction like google did? Or that don’t matter to you?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/nbc-news- ... ohedge-ads
An update on the “google demonetization” of the Federalist. Apparently google had a problem with the COMMENT SECTION of an article on the Federalist. They had threatened to demonitize because of comments made by posters on the website! Amazing how YouTube (which is owned by Google) is not being threatened with demonetizing due to users comments.



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by codecat » Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:54 pm

iaafan wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:37 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:10 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 11:38 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:21 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 10:25 am
Yeah- Trump definitely is tied to Russia (Putin). The evidence is sprinkled all over the place, but obstruction has played out well for Trump.

As for the whole Flynn issue... I would say Barr might have stepped into it pretty good for Trump.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2000-do ... d=70615677
I probably should not step into this conversation, but your interpretation is way off. You should probably look for a better news source than the liberal left leaning anti-Trump mainstream media (ABC in this case). Here are some actual facts:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/07/do ... orruption/

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/29/ex ... him-fired/

Here is an excerpt on Russia interference from the second article:

“ In reality, the only Russian collusion that happened during the 2016 campaign was between the Clinton campaign and a subcontractor it funded, who was at the time working on behalf of a sanctioned Russian oligarch. That agent, former British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, created for the Clinton campaign the entire basis for charges of illegal collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. That document, known as the Steele dossier, has been thoroughly debunked since it was first released in early January 2017. The Clinton campaign, in cooperation with the Democratic National Committee, secretly funded the creation of that document and its distribution throughout the media. To date, none of its key collusion claims has been corroborated.

Steele’s operation became a primary basis for the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the Trump campaign. The false allegations contained in the dossier were also used by FBI and DOJ officials to justify four separate spy warrants against Carter Page, a Trump campaign affiliate. The FBI also investigated Flynn as part of this operation.”
You are quoting The Federalist. Enough said.
This was too good! I had to post this follow up on how The Federalist is absolute garbage!

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ ... -n1231176
Gotta love the rationale behind people thinking the mainstream media is left leaning. The republicans do so much newsworthy B.S. that they get on the news. What's the media supposed to do, not report on it? Or, like Fox, sugar coat it? It's not the MSM's fault that the right is always getting their asses in a wringer. If you don't want to get bad press (bad press isn't bias), then don't do bad stuff.
Check the ownership of the media!


Socialism - the financial model historically used to control the masses! It has noting to do with
freedom, and seriously erodes the primary constitutional freedom of free enterprise.

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Post by wbtfg » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:23 pm

Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says

The Trump administration has been deliberating for months about what to do about a stunning intelligence assessment


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/p ... C8T1fUYWSg



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by arvcat2 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:25 pm

wbtfg, happy to see you can't let go of that Trump Russian conspiracy bandwagon.
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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by wbtfg » Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:50 pm

arvcat2 wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:25 pm
wbtfg, happy to see you can't let go of that Trump Russian conspiracy bandwagon.
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I’m confused. Are you disputing the story?



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Post by arvcat2 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:25 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:50 pm
arvcat2 wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:25 pm
wbtfg, happy to see you can't let go of that Trump Russian conspiracy bandwagon.
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I’m confused. Are you disputing the story?
I can only dispute you and your passive aggressive style. Further, your linking to anything by the likes of the NYT, The Guardian, and the always credible BuzzFeed does not confuse me. And, happily, I can't read the story because it's behind a pay wall.



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by wbtfg » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:29 pm

arvcat2 wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:25 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:50 pm
arvcat2 wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:25 pm
wbtfg, happy to see you can't let go of that Trump Russian conspiracy bandwagon.
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I’m confused. Are you disputing the story?
I can only dispute you and your passive aggressive style. Further, your linking to anything by the likes of the NYT, The Guardian, and the always credible BuzzFeed does not confuse me. And, happily, I can't read the story because it's behind a pay wall.
I’ll take that as a no.

I do find it interesting that Russia puts a bounty on US troops and you’re angry at me. I just copied/pasted.

Maybe more of a rhetorical question, but what part of "support the troops" includes ignoring Russians paying bounties to Taliban forces to murder American soldiers?



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by arvcat2 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:03 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:29 pm
arvcat2 wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:25 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:50 pm
arvcat2 wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:25 pm
wbtfg, happy to see you can't let go of that Trump Russian conspiracy bandwagon.
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I’m confused. Are you disputing the story?
I can only dispute you and your passive aggressive style. Further, your linking to anything by the likes of the NYT, The Guardian, and the always credible BuzzFeed does not confuse me. And, happily, I can't read the story because it's behind a pay wall.
I’ll take that as a no.

I do find it interesting that Russia puts a bounty on US troops and you’re angry at me. I just copied/pasted.

Maybe more of a rhetorical question, but what part of "support the troops" includes ignoring Russians paying bounties to Taliban forces to murder American soldiers?
As it's a rhetorical question, can not respond. But your original question has been answered in full. Good day.



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by wbtfg » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:23 pm

^ has there ever been a better example of party over country?



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by Cataholic » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:54 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:23 pm
^ has there ever been a better example of party over country?
Quit drawing stupid ass conclusions that you have no information to back up. Unless you are privy to some high level military intelligence, you are making some dangerous assumptions that have absolutely no basis. There is zero evidence that party affiliation played into any discussions. Stick to the facts.



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by wbtfg » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:03 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:54 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:23 pm
^ has there ever been a better example of party over country?
Quit drawing stupid ass conclusions that you have no information to back up. Unless you are privy to some high level military intelligence, you are making some dangerous assumptions that have absolutely no basis. There is zero evidence that party affiliation played into any discussions. Stick to the facts.
You’re right. My bad. Russia has totally earned the benefit of the doubt. We should all be defending them.



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by Cataholic » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:14 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:03 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:54 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:23 pm
^ has there ever been a better example of party over country?
Quit drawing stupid ass conclusions that you have no information to back up. Unless you are privy to some high level military intelligence, you are making some dangerous assumptions that have absolutely no basis. There is zero evidence that party affiliation played into any discussions. Stick to the facts.
You’re right. My bad. Russia has totally earned the benefit of the doubt. We should all be defending them.
Who the hell is giving Russia the benefit of the doubt? You said that Trump was choosing party over nation. There is zero evidence of that. Stupid. Stick to the facts.



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by wbtfg » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:16 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:14 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:03 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:54 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:23 pm
^ has there ever been a better example of party over country?
Quit drawing stupid ass conclusions that you have no information to back up. Unless you are privy to some high level military intelligence, you are making some dangerous assumptions that have absolutely no basis. There is zero evidence that party affiliation played into any discussions. Stick to the facts.
You’re right. My bad. Russia has totally earned the benefit of the doubt. We should all be defending them.
Who the hell is giving Russia the benefit of the doubt? You said that Trump was choosing party over nation. There is zero evidence of that. Stupid. Stick to the facts.
I did not say that.



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by Cataholic » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:21 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:23 pm
^ has there ever been a better example of party over country?
What did you mean then?



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