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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by The Butcher » Tue May 12, 2020 10:25 am

Yeah- Trump definitely is tied to Russia (Putin). The evidence is sprinkled all over the place, but obstruction has played out well for Trump.

As for the whole Flynn issue... I would say Barr might have stepped into it pretty good for Trump.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2000-do ... d=70615677



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by Cataholic » Tue May 12, 2020 7:21 pm

The Butcher wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 10:25 am
Yeah- Trump definitely is tied to Russia (Putin). The evidence is sprinkled all over the place, but obstruction has played out well for Trump.

As for the whole Flynn issue... I would say Barr might have stepped into it pretty good for Trump.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2000-do ... d=70615677
I probably should not step into this conversation, but your interpretation is way off. You should probably look for a better news source than the liberal left leaning anti-Trump mainstream media (ABC in this case). Here are some actual facts:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/07/do ... orruption/

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/29/ex ... him-fired/

Here is an excerpt on Russia interference from the second article:

“ In reality, the only Russian collusion that happened during the 2016 campaign was between the Clinton campaign and a subcontractor it funded, who was at the time working on behalf of a sanctioned Russian oligarch. That agent, former British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, created for the Clinton campaign the entire basis for charges of illegal collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. That document, known as the Steele dossier, has been thoroughly debunked since it was first released in early January 2017. The Clinton campaign, in cooperation with the Democratic National Committee, secretly funded the creation of that document and its distribution throughout the media. To date, none of its key collusion claims has been corroborated.

Steele’s operation became a primary basis for the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the Trump campaign. The false allegations contained in the dossier were also used by FBI and DOJ officials to justify four separate spy warrants against Carter Page, a Trump campaign affiliate. The FBI also investigated Flynn as part of this operation.”



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by The Butcher » Wed May 13, 2020 11:38 am

Cataholic wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:21 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 10:25 am
Yeah- Trump definitely is tied to Russia (Putin). The evidence is sprinkled all over the place, but obstruction has played out well for Trump.

As for the whole Flynn issue... I would say Barr might have stepped into it pretty good for Trump.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2000-do ... d=70615677
I probably should not step into this conversation, but your interpretation is way off. You should probably look for a better news source than the liberal left leaning anti-Trump mainstream media (ABC in this case). Here are some actual facts:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/07/do ... orruption/

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/29/ex ... him-fired/

Here is an excerpt on Russia interference from the second article:

“ In reality, the only Russian collusion that happened during the 2016 campaign was between the Clinton campaign and a subcontractor it funded, who was at the time working on behalf of a sanctioned Russian oligarch. That agent, former British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, created for the Clinton campaign the entire basis for charges of illegal collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. That document, known as the Steele dossier, has been thoroughly debunked since it was first released in early January 2017. The Clinton campaign, in cooperation with the Democratic National Committee, secretly funded the creation of that document and its distribution throughout the media. To date, none of its key collusion claims has been corroborated.

Steele’s operation became a primary basis for the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the Trump campaign. The false allegations contained in the dossier were also used by FBI and DOJ officials to justify four separate spy warrants against Carter Page, a Trump campaign affiliate. The FBI also investigated Flynn as part of this operation.”
You are quoting The Federalist. Enough said.



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by iaafan » Wed May 13, 2020 12:03 pm

The Butcher wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 11:38 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:21 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 10:25 am
Yeah- Trump definitely is tied to Russia (Putin). The evidence is sprinkled all over the place, but obstruction has played out well for Trump.

As for the whole Flynn issue... I would say Barr might have stepped into it pretty good for Trump.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2000-do ... d=70615677
I probably should not step into this conversation, but your interpretation is way off. You should probably look for a better news source than the liberal left leaning anti-Trump mainstream media (ABC in this case). Here are some actual facts:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/07/do ... orruption/

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/29/ex ... him-fired/

Here is an excerpt on Russia interference from the second article:

“ In reality, the only Russian collusion that happened during the 2016 campaign was between the Clinton campaign and a subcontractor it funded, who was at the time working on behalf of a sanctioned Russian oligarch. That agent, former British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, created for the Clinton campaign the entire basis for charges of illegal collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. That document, known as the Steele dossier, has been thoroughly debunked since it was first released in early January 2017. The Clinton campaign, in cooperation with the Democratic National Committee, secretly funded the creation of that document and its distribution throughout the media. To date, none of its key collusion claims has been corroborated.

Steele’s operation became a primary basis for the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the Trump campaign. The false allegations contained in the dossier were also used by FBI and DOJ officials to justify four separate spy warrants against Carter Page, a Trump campaign affiliate. The FBI also investigated Flynn as part of this operation.”
You are quoting The Federalist. Enough said.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federalist/



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by Cataholic » Wed May 13, 2020 1:30 pm

The Butcher wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 11:38 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:21 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 10:25 am
Yeah- Trump definitely is tied to Russia (Putin). The evidence is sprinkled all over the place, but obstruction has played out well for Trump.

As for the whole Flynn issue... I would say Barr might have stepped into it pretty good for Trump.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2000-do ... d=70615677
I probably should not step into this conversation, but your interpretation is way off. You should probably look for a better news source than the liberal left leaning anti-Trump mainstream media (ABC in this case). Here are some actual facts:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/07/do ... orruption/

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/29/ex ... him-fired/

Here is an excerpt on Russia interference from the second article:

“ In reality, the only Russian collusion that happened during the 2016 campaign was between the Clinton campaign and a subcontractor it funded, who was at the time working on behalf of a sanctioned Russian oligarch. That agent, former British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, created for the Clinton campaign the entire basis for charges of illegal collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. That document, known as the Steele dossier, has been thoroughly debunked since it was first released in early January 2017. The Clinton campaign, in cooperation with the Democratic National Committee, secretly funded the creation of that document and its distribution throughout the media. To date, none of its key collusion claims has been corroborated.

Steele’s operation became a primary basis for the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the Trump campaign. The false allegations contained in the dossier were also used by FBI and DOJ officials to justify four separate spy warrants against Carter Page, a Trump campaign affiliate. The FBI also investigated Flynn as part of this operation.”
You are quoting The Federalist. Enough said.
And ABC and NBC have done a wonderful job of presenting both sides... HELL NO!

Before you criticize the source of the next article, why don’t you actually read the content? It clearly shows that top Obama officials are QUOTED that there was no clear connection to Russia. This is not an opinion. These are actual statements UNDER OATH.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/intel- ... -collusion



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by allcat » Wed May 13, 2020 6:49 pm

iaafan wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:03 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 11:38 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:21 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 10:25 am
Yeah- Trump definitely is tied to Russia (Putin). The evidence is sprinkled all over the place, but obstruction has played out well for Trump.

As for the whole Flynn issue... I would say Barr might have stepped into it pretty good for Trump.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2000-do ... d=70615677
I probably should not step into this conversation, but your interpretation is way off. You should probably look for a better news source than the liberal left leaning anti-Trump mainstream media (ABC in this case). Here are some actual facts:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/07/do ... orruption/

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/29/ex ... him-fired/

Here is an excerpt on Russia interference from the second article:

“ In reality, the only Russian collusion that happened during the 2016 campaign was between the Clinton campaign and a subcontractor it funded, who was at the time working on behalf of a sanctioned Russian oligarch. That agent, former British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, created for the Clinton campaign the entire basis for charges of illegal collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. That document, known as the Steele dossier, has been thoroughly debunked since it was first released in early January 2017. The Clinton campaign, in cooperation with the Democratic National Committee, secretly funded the creation of that document and its distribution throughout the media. To date, none of its key collusion claims has been corroborated.

Steele’s operation became a primary basis for the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the Trump campaign. The false allegations contained in the dossier were also used by FBI and DOJ officials to justify four separate spy warrants against Carter Page, a Trump campaign affiliate. The FBI also investigated Flynn as part of this operation.”
You are quoting The Federalist. Enough said.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federalist/
You kind of shot a hole in your boat by providing this link. The list of left and left leaners is huge. Then you have the audacity to pick on the Federalist.


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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by iaafan » Thu May 14, 2020 8:23 am

allcat wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 6:49 pm
iaafan wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:03 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 11:38 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:21 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 10:25 am
Yeah- Trump definitely is tied to Russia (Putin). The evidence is sprinkled all over the place, but obstruction has played out well for Trump.

As for the whole Flynn issue... I would say Barr might have stepped into it pretty good for Trump.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2000-do ... d=70615677
I probably should not step into this conversation, but your interpretation is way off. You should probably look for a better news source than the liberal left leaning anti-Trump mainstream media (ABC in this case). Here are some actual facts:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/07/do ... orruption/

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/29/ex ... him-fired/

Here is an excerpt on Russia interference from the second article:

“ In reality, the only Russian collusion that happened during the 2016 campaign was between the Clinton campaign and a subcontractor it funded, who was at the time working on behalf of a sanctioned Russian oligarch. That agent, former British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, created for the Clinton campaign the entire basis for charges of illegal collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. That document, known as the Steele dossier, has been thoroughly debunked since it was first released in early January 2017. The Clinton campaign, in cooperation with the Democratic National Committee, secretly funded the creation of that document and its distribution throughout the media. To date, none of its key collusion claims has been corroborated.

Steele’s operation became a primary basis for the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the Trump campaign. The false allegations contained in the dossier were also used by FBI and DOJ officials to justify four separate spy warrants against Carter Page, a Trump campaign affiliate. The FBI also investigated Flynn as part of this operation.”
You are quoting The Federalist. Enough said.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federalist/
You kind of shot a hole in your boat by providing this link. The list of left and left leaners is huge. Then you have the audacity to pick on the Federalist.
There are some far left leaning media sources and I don't recommend anyone listen to them. The Federalist is a far right source, so I don't recommend listening to it either. Facts are facts though and The Federalist is capable of delivering facts. The list has more left leaning sources because there is more right leaning crime and corruption, lying and misinformation out there to report on and that skews the perception and the left follows the media, which is a business, more than the right. It takes a whole Army to report on and analyze it. Yes, the left has it's share of lying criminals, but the right is much bigger. The left also does a better job of holding its politicians accountable. Al Franken and this congresswoman from California were both run out of office by their own party for things a lot less problematic than what the right does. The right nearly elected a pedophile for the Senate a couple years ago. It's hard to keep up with all of it. Currently you have people, including Trump, on the right trying to run down Dr. Fauci. The leader of the KKK, David Duke, was once a Lousiana congressman and made a run for the US Senate in 1990 getting 43% of the vote, ran for governor and got 32% of the vote. But, ya know, the media isn't fair when it reports on these things.

This probably the most thorough rating being done:
https://www.adfontesmedia.com/rankings- ... 2f03a963ba



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by allcat » Thu May 14, 2020 1:30 pm

So you sink your boat and then double down by saying the right had more crooks? You remind me of people that say "are gonna believe your lying eyes or what I'm gonna tell you".


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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by TomCat88 » Thu May 14, 2020 5:50 pm

The left has more news outlets. The right has less news outlets. Not sure why, but probably because of the money. Kinda like there's more fast food burger joints (Wendy's, McD's, BK's, Hardee's, DQ, Jack in the Box) vs. fast food tacos (Taco Johns, Taco Bell, El Taco, Taco Treat). Makes perfect sense when you think of it that way. ;)


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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by 77matcat » Thu May 14, 2020 9:08 pm

For example. Senator Burr

Tells public “Everything’s going to be alright.“
Dumps his stock.

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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by allcat » Fri May 15, 2020 5:51 am

77matcat wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 9:08 pm
For example. Senator Burr

Tells public “Everything’s going to be alright.“
Dumps his stock.

😂🤣😂
I think everyone agrees, throw out the crooks. This one backfires on the left because while Burr and the really rich chick should go, so should Feinstein.


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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by 77matcat » Fri May 15, 2020 6:57 am

Let’s not forget Chris ColLin’s.

Hmmm. That would be a fun project. Let’s put together a list of politicians indicted while in office. I’d do it but building a deck. It’ll take two weeks if I focus on that. 😂🤣😂



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by 77matcat » Fri May 15, 2020 7:07 am

Here’s a quick look.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 934800002/

Adding Burr it looks like Republicans are up 7 to 4. The sad comment is there are most likely twice this amount that should be but haven’t been charged.

What ever happened to Zinkie.



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by iaafan » Fri May 15, 2020 8:49 am

allcat wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 5:51 am
77matcat wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 9:08 pm
For example. Senator Burr

Tells public “Everything’s going to be alright.“
Dumps his stock.

😂🤣😂
I think everyone agrees, throw out the crooks. This one backfires on the left because while Burr and the really rich chick should go, so should Feinstein.
Did Inhofe get cleared?

Burr, and obviously Feinstein, haven't been Trump sycophants and they're being questioned with Burr's phone being confiscated by FBI. Loeffler and Inhofe are Trump sycophants, but so far neither has been questioned. Some, including Nixon WH counsel John Dean, are skeptical.
“You can be sure this was cleared by the White House counsel, if not Trump himself. Also AG Bill Barr,” former Nixon White House Counsel John Dean said of the FBI’s seizure of Burr’s phone. “But why not Senator Kelly Loeffler, who also sold stocks? Because Burr is not a Trump toady—this looks like a vendetta!” The Justice Department and the FBI declined to comment.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsole ... d4b6e46645



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by technoCat » Fri May 15, 2020 10:01 am

iaafan wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 8:23 am
allcat wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 6:49 pm
iaafan wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:03 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 11:38 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:21 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 10:25 am
Yeah- Trump definitely is tied to Russia (Putin). The evidence is sprinkled all over the place, but obstruction has played out well for Trump.

As for the whole Flynn issue... I would say Barr might have stepped into it pretty good for Trump.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2000-do ... d=70615677
I probably should not step into this conversation, but your interpretation is way off. You should probably look for a better news source than the liberal left leaning anti-Trump mainstream media (ABC in this case). Here are some actual facts:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/07/do ... orruption/

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/29/ex ... him-fired/

Here is an excerpt on Russia interference from the second article:

“ In reality, the only Russian collusion that happened during the 2016 campaign was between the Clinton campaign and a subcontractor it funded, who was at the time working on behalf of a sanctioned Russian oligarch. That agent, former British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, created for the Clinton campaign the entire basis for charges of illegal collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. That document, known as the Steele dossier, has been thoroughly debunked since it was first released in early January 2017. The Clinton campaign, in cooperation with the Democratic National Committee, secretly funded the creation of that document and its distribution throughout the media. To date, none of its key collusion claims has been corroborated.

Steele’s operation became a primary basis for the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the Trump campaign. The false allegations contained in the dossier were also used by FBI and DOJ officials to justify four separate spy warrants against Carter Page, a Trump campaign affiliate. The FBI also investigated Flynn as part of this operation.”
You are quoting The Federalist. Enough said.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federalist/
You kind of shot a hole in your boat by providing this link. The list of left and left leaners is huge. Then you have the audacity to pick on the Federalist.
There are some far left leaning media sources and I don't recommend anyone listen to them. The Federalist is a far right source, so I don't recommend listening to it either. Facts are facts though and The Federalist is capable of delivering facts. The list has more left leaning sources because there is more right leaning crime and corruption, lying and misinformation out there to report on and that skews the perception and the left follows the media, which is a business, more than the right. It takes a whole Army to report on and analyze it. Yes, the left has it's share of lying criminals, but the right is much bigger. The left also does a better job of holding its politicians accountable. Al Franken and this congresswoman from California were both run out of office by their own party for things a lot less problematic than what the right does. The right nearly elected a pedophile for the Senate a couple years ago. It's hard to keep up with all of it. Currently you have people, including Trump, on the right trying to run down Dr. Fauci. The leader of the KKK, David Duke, was once a Lousiana congressman and made a run for the US Senate in 1990 getting 43% of the vote, ran for governor and got 32% of the vote. But, ya know, the media isn't fair when it reports on these things.

This probably the most thorough rating being done:
https://www.adfontesmedia.com/rankings- ... 2f03a963ba
You have got to be kidding me? More crooks on the right? You only think that because of the constant hounding the MSM has done on the right for the past 30 years and the fact they bury absolutely every lead that comes up on the left. To be clear, I'm of the opinion probably 75% of the top level of government officials need to be replaced. Both sides, there is too much cronyism and back ally pacts between politicians, the main stream media, major business, and the justice department.


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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by RickRund » Fri May 15, 2020 10:44 am

technoCat wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 10:01 am
iaafan wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 8:23 am
allcat wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 6:49 pm
iaafan wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:03 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 11:38 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 7:21 pm
The Butcher wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 10:25 am
Yeah- Trump definitely is tied to Russia (Putin). The evidence is sprinkled all over the place, but obstruction has played out well for Trump.

As for the whole Flynn issue... I would say Barr might have stepped into it pretty good for Trump.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2000-do ... d=70615677
I probably should not step into this conversation, but your interpretation is way off. You should probably look for a better news source than the liberal left leaning anti-Trump mainstream media (ABC in this case). Here are some actual facts:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/07/do ... orruption/

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/29/ex ... him-fired/

Here is an excerpt on Russia interference from the second article:

“ In reality, the only Russian collusion that happened during the 2016 campaign was between the Clinton campaign and a subcontractor it funded, who was at the time working on behalf of a sanctioned Russian oligarch. That agent, former British intelligence operative Christopher Steele, created for the Clinton campaign the entire basis for charges of illegal collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. That document, known as the Steele dossier, has been thoroughly debunked since it was first released in early January 2017. The Clinton campaign, in cooperation with the Democratic National Committee, secretly funded the creation of that document and its distribution throughout the media. To date, none of its key collusion claims has been corroborated.

Steele’s operation became a primary basis for the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation of the Trump campaign. The false allegations contained in the dossier were also used by FBI and DOJ officials to justify four separate spy warrants against Carter Page, a Trump campaign affiliate. The FBI also investigated Flynn as part of this operation.”
You are quoting The Federalist. Enough said.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federalist/
You kind of shot a hole in your boat by providing this link. The list of left and left leaners is huge. Then you have the audacity to pick on the Federalist.
There are some far left leaning media sources and I don't recommend anyone listen to them. The Federalist is a far right source, so I don't recommend listening to it either. Facts are facts though and The Federalist is capable of delivering facts. The list has more left leaning sources because there is more right leaning crime and corruption, lying and misinformation out there to report on and that skews the perception and the left follows the media, which is a business, more than the right. It takes a whole Army to report on and analyze it. Yes, the left has it's share of lying criminals, but the right is much bigger. The left also does a better job of holding its politicians accountable. Al Franken and this congresswoman from California were both run out of office by their own party for things a lot less problematic than what the right does. The right nearly elected a pedophile for the Senate a couple years ago. It's hard to keep up with all of it. Currently you have people, including Trump, on the right trying to run down Dr. Fauci. The leader of the KKK, David Duke, was once a Lousiana congressman and made a run for the US Senate in 1990 getting 43% of the vote, ran for governor and got 32% of the vote. But, ya know, the media isn't fair when it reports on these things.

This probably the most thorough rating being done:
https://www.adfontesmedia.com/rankings- ... 2f03a963ba
You have got to be kidding me? More crooks on the right? You only think that because of the constant hounding the MSM has done on the right for the past 30 years and the fact they bury absolutely every lead that comes up on the left. To be clear, I'm of the opinion probably 75% of the top level of government officials need to be replaced. Both sides, there is too much cronyism and back ally pacts between politicians, the main stream media, major business, and the justice department.
Yep!!! Totally clean out those career crooks...



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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by 77matcat » Fri May 15, 2020 6:30 pm

Ya. It really paid to get ride of those infectious disease/ pandemic folks.

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Re: Soooooooo...Russia

Post by 77matcat » Fri May 15, 2020 11:05 pm

My heart bleeds for the poor AA LLP Senior Managers and Enron. Both had a culture of corruption and the truth doesn’t matter.

Oh wait..........



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