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Post by LimpKitty » Thu May 21, 2009 12:11 pm

> AN ABSOLUTE MUST READ FOR EVERY AMERICAN!

>
> READ AND JUST PASS IT ON.
>
> Juval Aviv was the Israeli Agent upon whom the movie
> ' Munich ' was based.. He was Golda Meir's
> bodyguard -- she appointed him to track down and bring to
> justice the Palestinian terrorists who took the Israeli
> athletes hostage and killed them during the Munich Olympic
> Games.
>
> In a lecture in New York City a few weeks ago, he shared
> information that EVERY American needs to know -- but that
> our government has not yet shared with us.
>
> He predicted the London subway bombing on the Bill
> O'Reilly show on Fox News stating
> publicly that it would happen within a week. At the time,
> O'Reilly laughed and mocked him saying that in a week he
> wanted him back on the show. But, unfortunately, within a
> week the terrorist attack had occurred.
>
>
> Juval Aviv gave intelligence (via what he had gathered in
> Israel and the Middle East ) to the Bush Administration
> about 9/11 a month before it occurred. His report
> specifically said they would use planes as bombs and target
> high profile buildings and monuments.. Congress has since
> hired him as a security consultant.
>

>
> Now for his future predictions. He predicts the next
> terrorist attack on the U.S. Will occur within the next few
> months.
>

> Forget hijacking airplanes, because he says terrorists
> will NEVER try and hijack a plane again as they know the
> people onboard will never go down quietly again. Aviv
> believes our airport security is a joke -- that we have been
> reactionary rather than proactive in developing strategies
> that are truly effective.
>
> For example:
>
> 1) Our airport technology is outdated. We look for metal,
> and the new explosives are made of plastic.
>
> 2) He talked about how some idiot tried to light his shoe
> on fire. Because of that, now everyone has to take off their
> shoes. A group of idiots tried to bring aboard liquid
> explosives. Now we can't bring liquids on b oard. He
> says he's waiting for some suicidal maniac to pour
> liquid explosive on his underwear; at which point, security
> will have us all traveling naked! Every strategy we have is
> reactionary.
>
> 3) We only focus on security when people are heading to
> the gates.
>
> Aviv says that if a terrorist attack targets airports in
> the future, they will target busy times on the front end of
> the airport when/where people are checking in. It would be
> easy for someone to take two suitcases of explosives, walk
> up to a busy check-in line, ask a person next to them to
> watch their bags for a minute while they run to the restroom
> or get a drink, and then detonate the bags BEFORE security
> even gets involved.. In Israel , security checks bags BEFORE
> people can even ENTER the airport.
>
>
> Aviv says the next terrorist attack here in America is
> imminent and will involve suicide bombers and non-suicide
> bombers in places where large groups of people congregate.
> (I. E., Disneyland, Las Vegas casinos, big cities (New York,
> San Francisco, Chicago, etc.) and that it will also include
> shopping malls, subways in rush hour, train stations, etc.,
> as well as rural America this time (Wyoming, Montana, etc.).
>
> The attack will be characterized by simultaneous
> detonations around the country (terrorists like big impact),
> involving at least 5-8 cities, including rural areas.
>
> Aviv says terrorists won't need to use suicide
> bombers in many of the larger cities, because at places like
> the MGM Grand in Las Vegas , they can simply valet park a
> car loaded with explosives and walk away.
>
>
> Aviv says all of the above is well known in intelligence
> circles, but that our U. S. Government does not want to
> 'alarm American citizens' with the facts.. The world
> is quickly going to become 'a different place', and
> issues like 'global warming' and political
> correctness will become totally irrelevant.
>
> On an encouraging note, he says that Americans don't
> have to be concerned about being nuked. Aviv says the
> terrorists who want to destroy America will not use
> sophisticated weapons. They like to use suicide as a
> front-line approach. It's cheap, it's easy, it's
> effective; and they have an infinite abundance of young
> militants more than willing to 'meet their destiny'.
>
> He also says the next level of terrorists, over which
> America should be most concerned, will not be coming from
> abroad. But will be, instead, 'homegrown' -- having
> attended and been educated in our own schools and
> universities right here in the U.. S. He says to look for
> 'students' who frequently travel back and forth to
> the Middle East .. These young terrorists will be most
> dangerous because they will know our language and will fully
> understand the habits of Americans; but that we Americans
> won't know/understand a thing about them.
>
> Aviv says that, as a people, Americans are unaware and
> uneducated about the terrorist threats we will, inevitably,
> face. America still has only have a
> handful of Arabic and Farsi speaking people in our
> intelligence networks, and Aviv says it is critical that we
> change that fact SOON.
>
>
> So, what can America do to protect itself? From an
> intelligence perspective, Aviv says the U.S. needs to stop
> relying on satellites and technology for intelligence. We
> need to, instead, follow Israel 's, Ireland 's and
> England 's hands-on examples of human intelligence, both
> from an infiltration perspective as well as to trust
> 'aware' citizens to help. We need to engage and
> educate ourselves as citizens; however, our U. S. government
> continues to treat us, its citizens, 'like babies'.
> Our government thinks we 'can't handle the
> truth' and are concerned that we'll panic if we
> understand the realities of terrorism. Aviv says this is a
> deadly mistake.
>
> Aviv recently created/executed a security test for our
> Congress, by placing an empty briefcase in five
> well-traveled spots in five major cities. The results? Not
> one person called 911 or sought a policeman to check it out.
> In fact, in Chicago , someone tried to steal the briefcase!
>
>
> In comparison, Aviv says that citizens of Israel are so
> well 'trained' that an unattended bag or package
> would be reported in seconds by citizen(s) who know to
> publicly shout, 'Unattended Bag!' The area would be
> quickly & calmly cleared by the citizens themselves.
> But, unfortunately, America hasn't been yet 'hurt
> enough' by terrorism for their government to fully
> understand the need to educate its citizens or for the
> government to understand that it's their citizens who
> are, inevitably, the best first-line of defense against
> terrorism.
>
> Aviv also was concerned about the high number of children
> here in America who were in preschool and kindergarten after
> 9/11, who were 'lost' without parents being able to
> pick them up, and about our schools that had no plan in
> place to best care for the students until parents could get
> there. (In New York City , this was days, in some cases!)
>
> He stresses the importance of having a plan, that's
> agreed upon within your family, to respond to in the event
> of a terrorist emergency. He urges parents to contact their
> children's schools and demand that the schools, too,
> develop plans of actions, as they do in Israel .
>
> Does your family know what to do if you can't contact
> one another by phone? Where would you gather in an
> emergency? He says we should all have a plan that is easy
> enough for even our youngest children to remember and
> follow.
>
> Aviv says that the U.. S. government has in force a plan
> that, in the event of another terrorist attack, will
> immediately cut-off EVERYONE's ability to use cell
> phones, blackberries, etc., as this is the preferred
> communication source used by terrorists and is often the way
> that their bombs are detonated.
>
> How will you communicate with your loved ones in the
> event you cannot speak? You need to have a plan.
> If you believe what you have just read, then you must
> feel compelled to send to every concerned parent or
> guardian, grandparents, uncles, aunts, whatever and
> whomever. Nothing will happen if you choose not to do so,
> but in the event it does happen, this particular email will
> haunt you..."I should have sent this to..... ",
> but I didn't believe it and just deleted it as so much
> trash from old Bill Jones!!!
>



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Re: Must read

Post by SonomaCat » Thu May 21, 2009 12:22 pm

So what's the point of that whole thing? It sounds like it is trying to rally us to live in fear and dread of some jackass deciding to blow up a Vegas casino or bus station.

I think we all realize that it's not terribly difficult for anyone to blow up something at anytime (See OK City), but I think most people also realize that living our lives worrying about that happening makes our lives less enjoyable ... and worrying about it (as individuals ... we obviously want the government to be vigilant about it) will solve nothing.

Yes, perhaps we should have a plan in place for our family if things go bad (meet in the park ... I'll go get the kid from daycare if it's still standing) -- that sort of thing, just like we would for any natural emergency situation (it sounds like our preparedness for an earthquake/flood/tornado would be about the same as a terrorist attack as this piece describes it). But beyond that, I see no upside to worrying about it on a personal level. If it happens, it happens. Hopefully, it won't, but it surely could.



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Re: Must read

Post by AlphaGriz1 » Thu May 21, 2009 12:31 pm

First of all that is another email handed down from every idiot that forwards email to everyone 65K times a day. (Like my Uncle) Snopes says its false.

But there are some interesting points being made about security being reactive instead of proactive. I flew a few weeks after 9-11 and kind of laughed at
the so-called security precautions put in place. It was just like the federal government to do things half assed and retarded. IMO its easier now to get on a plane with harmful stuff than before. (If you think, and then have the balls to go through with it.)

It only takes a few seconds to be aware of whats going on around you and then go about enjoying your day.


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Re: Must read

Post by SonomaCat » Thu May 21, 2009 12:36 pm

Ah, my snopes search didn't catch it the first time, but here it is (thanks, Alpha, for pointing that out):

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/soapbox/juvalaviv.asp

It's apparently a couple years old ... at least the original version is. And the predictions included in the original didn't happen.

So here's the throwdown ... who will be the first to write up their own chain email (the more outrageous, the better) and get it in national circulation the soonest? Bonus points the more outrageous and obviously untrue it is on its face ... killing off the chain email via mockery may or may not work, but it sure would be funny.



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Re: Must read

Post by Grizlaw » Thu May 21, 2009 12:48 pm

This is slightly off-topic, but I actually met Juval Aviv once. His corporate investigations firm gave a pitch at my former law firm while I still worked there about tracking down assets of opposing parties. He was a really interesting speaker, had some great stories, and is supposed to be really good at what he does (although, as noted in the Snopes piece, there is apparently some serious dispute as to whether he really played as great a role in the Munich incident as he claims he did; apparently others who were close to those events have claimed that Aviv grossly exaggerated his role in order to help promote his current business).

That said -- when I heard him speak, he made a lot of comments that were in line with what is mentioned in this email (i.e., that U.S. airport security is a joke, and that we could learn a lot about airport security from the Israelis).


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Re: Must read

Post by AlphaGriz1 » Thu May 21, 2009 2:42 pm

Name dropper



I suppose you, Aviv and Dirk Moneymaker all went out after the seminar and played paintball with Gary Busey and the Dave Matthews band.








:wink:


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Re: Must read

Post by Grizlaw » Thu May 21, 2009 3:09 pm

AlphaGriz1 wrote:Name dropper



I suppose you, Aviv and Dirk Moneymaker all went out after the seminar and played paintball with Gary Busey and the Dave Matthews band.








:wink:
Yep. Natalie Portman was there too, actually, and she has an ass the size of a mason jar. ;)


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Re: Must read

Post by ChiOCat » Thu May 21, 2009 5:01 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:So what's the point of that whole thing? It sounds like it is trying to rally us to live in fear and dread of some jackass deciding to blow up a Vegas casino or bus station.

I think we all realize that it's not terribly difficult for anyone to blow up something at anytime (See OK City), but I think most people also realize that living our lives worrying about that happening makes our lives less enjoyable ... and worrying about it (as individuals ... we obviously want the government to be vigilant about it) will solve nothing.

Yes, perhaps we should have a plan in place for our family if things go bad (meet in the park ... I'll go get the kid from daycare if it's still standing) -- that sort of thing, just like we would for any natural emergency situation (it sounds like our preparedness for an earthquake/flood/tornado would be about the same as a terrorist attack as this piece describes it). But beyond that, I see no upside to worrying about it on a personal level. If it happens, it happens. Hopefully, it won't, but it surely could.
As a innocent young high school grad from small town Montana, it was a real eye opener for me to travel through Europe! It wasn't constant fear, but there was much more awareness of things going on around. And when there were issues, we saw a block containing a McDonalds taped off in London due to a bomb threat and a section of the Frankfurt airport closed because of an untended bag, they responded much better than we Americans did.


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Re: Must read

Post by ImagineSanta » Thu May 21, 2009 5:55 pm

Anything that says "Read and Just Pass it on" usually can't be trusted for truth.


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