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Re: Current Republican Leaders curbing the right

Post by grizgirl » Tue May 04, 2021 6:25 pm

catatac wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 4:54 pm
grizgirl wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 3:31 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 2:33 pm
arvcat2 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 2:09 pm
Interesting :-k . Tomcat88, wbtfg, iaafan, & Masterbutcher all view Liz Cheney as reasonable GOP politician that could bring the party to the center. Guess that makes all four of you pro war, because, just like her daddy, that’s her main shtick. But hey, Bush & McCain are considered "traditional republicans" and they sure liked wars too.

THE BIG LIE is that Liz Cheney represents the majority of her constituents in Wyoming & is a leader of the national GOP base. The only way she gets reelected to congress is if large numbers of WY democrats vote for her. Her #3 position in the GOP caucus is becoming more & more tenuous too.
I have asked those far left liberals to post policies that illustrate how the Republican Party has moved to the right. They haven’t because it is not true. At a minimum, the Republican Party is much closer to the center than the Democratic Party who has moved extremely far left. Their policies on defund the police, DC statehood, expand the Supreme Court, immigration, open borders, legalized drugs, increased assistance, woke culture, transgender issues, environment, energy, free college, etc. The list just goes on showing how far left the Democratic Party has moved.
The United States has always and will always move left. That’s because the left is progressive. However, of all developed countries the United States is to the right. We are not keeping up with other nations. I can’t speak for other posters on the left, but I believe this is what they’re talking about.

When you look back you see that the right wing in the United States has more often than not been on the wrong/losing side of history.
You know what has REALLY been on the wrong side of history in terms of once strong nations that end in collapse? Socialism. I'm not saying all Dems or left leaners want Socialism - but there are a lot of them out there that do and that would ultimately be the demise of the United States of America.
You’re right. However there are not very many people in America and none that I know of in Congress that want Socialism in the United States. So I’m not sure what you’re bringing that up for.

There is quite a strong push for Democratic Socialism, which has served the country well in the past. But it has very little in common with Socialism.



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Re: Current Republican Leaders curbing the right

Post by Cataholic » Tue May 04, 2021 7:18 pm

grizgirl wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 6:25 pm
catatac wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 4:54 pm
grizgirl wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 3:31 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 2:33 pm
arvcat2 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 2:09 pm
Interesting :-k . Tomcat88, wbtfg, iaafan, & Masterbutcher all view Liz Cheney as reasonable GOP politician that could bring the party to the center. Guess that makes all four of you pro war, because, just like her daddy, that’s her main shtick. But hey, Bush & McCain are considered "traditional republicans" and they sure liked wars too.

THE BIG LIE is that Liz Cheney represents the majority of her constituents in Wyoming & is a leader of the national GOP base. The only way she gets reelected to congress is if large numbers of WY democrats vote for her. Her #3 position in the GOP caucus is becoming more & more tenuous too.
I have asked those far left liberals to post policies that illustrate how the Republican Party has moved to the right. They haven’t because it is not true. At a minimum, the Republican Party is much closer to the center than the Democratic Party who has moved extremely far left. Their policies on defund the police, DC statehood, expand the Supreme Court, immigration, open borders, legalized drugs, increased assistance, woke culture, transgender issues, environment, energy, free college, etc. The list just goes on showing how far left the Democratic Party has moved.
The United States has always and will always move left. That’s because the left is progressive. However, of all developed countries the United States is to the right. We are not keeping up with other nations. I can’t speak for other posters on the left, but I believe this is what they’re talking about.

When you look back you see that the right wing in the United States has more often than not been on the wrong/losing side of history.
You know what has REALLY been on the wrong side of history in terms of once strong nations that end in collapse? Socialism. I'm not saying all Dems or left leaners want Socialism - but there are a lot of them out there that do and that would ultimately be the demise of the United States of America.
You’re right. However there are not very many people in America and none that I know of in Congress that want Socialism in the United States. So I’m not sure what you’re bringing that up for.

There is quite a strong push for Democratic Socialism, which has served the country well in the past. But it has very little in common with Socialism.
I am not so sure about your view of Congress and socialism. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are self described supporters of socialism. AOC and the squad are very similar as well. And Bidens recent actions are clearly a movement to the left.

I have never understood the obsession with socialism. Here is an article in Forbes describing how there is not one socialist country that has succeeded in the past 100 years.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rainerzite ... -dies/amp/

Grizgirl also made a comment about other countries being ahead of us. I cannot think of one single country in the world that I would rather bring up my children. Why does the left want to be more like other countries? Have you seen the problems that Europe has with racism, poverty and immigration? Have you been to Europe to understand how far behind those countries are? For example, many families in Europe own one car that parents and children all share. How many families in the US do you know that share just one vehicle? Europeans use public transit because they have to, not because they want to. My daughter spent a summer schooling in France. She was in Nice where the humidity is like Florida. No air conditioning anywhere. Those are the little luxuries that we take for granted in the US that other countries can’t fathom.



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Re: Current Republican Leaders curbing the right

Post by iaafan » Wed May 05, 2021 6:10 am

Cataholic wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 7:18 pm
grizgirl wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 6:25 pm
catatac wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 4:54 pm
grizgirl wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 3:31 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 2:33 pm
arvcat2 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 2:09 pm
Interesting :-k . Tomcat88, wbtfg, iaafan, & Masterbutcher all view Liz Cheney as reasonable GOP politician that could bring the party to the center. Guess that makes all four of you pro war, because, just like her daddy, that’s her main shtick. But hey, Bush & McCain are considered "traditional republicans" and they sure liked wars too.

THE BIG LIE is that Liz Cheney represents the majority of her constituents in Wyoming & is a leader of the national GOP base. The only way she gets reelected to congress is if large numbers of WY democrats vote for her. Her #3 position in the GOP caucus is becoming more & more tenuous too.
I have asked those far left liberals to post policies that illustrate how the Republican Party has moved to the right. They haven’t because it is not true. At a minimum, the Republican Party is much closer to the center than the Democratic Party who has moved extremely far left. Their policies on defund the police, DC statehood, expand the Supreme Court, immigration, open borders, legalized drugs, increased assistance, woke culture, transgender issues, environment, energy, free college, etc. The list just goes on showing how far left the Democratic Party has moved.
The United States has always and will always move left. That’s because the left is progressive. However, of all developed countries the United States is to the right. We are not keeping up with other nations. I can’t speak for other posters on the left, but I believe this is what they’re talking about.

When you look back you see that the right wing in the United States has more often than not been on the wrong/losing side of history.
You know what has REALLY been on the wrong side of history in terms of once strong nations that end in collapse? Socialism. I'm not saying all Dems or left leaners want Socialism - but there are a lot of them out there that do and that would ultimately be the demise of the United States of America.
You’re right. However there are not very many people in America and none that I know of in Congress that want Socialism in the United States. So I’m not sure what you’re bringing that up for.

There is quite a strong push for Democratic Socialism, which has served the country well in the past. But it has very little in common with Socialism.
I am not so sure about your view of Congress and socialism. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are self described supporters of socialism. AOC and the squad are very similar as well. And Bidens recent actions are clearly a movement to the left.

I have never understood the obsession with socialism. Here is an article in Forbes describing how there is not one socialist country that has succeeded in the past 100 years.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rainerzite ... -dies/amp/

Grizgirl also made a comment about other countries being ahead of us. I cannot think of one single country in the world that I would rather bring up my children. Why does the left want to be more like other countries? Have you seen the problems that Europe has with racism, poverty and immigration? Have you been to Europe to understand how far behind those countries are? For example, many families in Europe own one car that parents and children all share. How many families in the US do you know that share just one vehicle? Europeans use public transit because they have to, not because they want to. My daughter spent a summer schooling in France. She was in Nice where the humidity is like Florida. No air conditioning anywhere. Those are the little luxuries that we take for granted in the US that other countries can’t fathom.
A democratic socialist is not a socialist. Bernie Sanders is a self described democratic socialist. He has this website: https://berniesanders.com/get-involved/ ... s-america/

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not everyone thinks that the USA is ahead of every country.
USA is currently only ranked the 17th most livable nation.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countr ... e-rankings



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Re: Current Republican Leaders curbing the right

Post by wbtfg » Wed May 05, 2021 7:04 am

iaafan wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 7:58 am
wbtfg wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 5:54 am
Hopefully traditional republicans can get on board with Cheney's politics. If enough people do, then maybe Cruz, Hawley, Boebert, etc. can quit their acts (pandering to base) and we can move on from Trump. I like to think that Trump's followers are in the minority in the republican party and that as soon as republican politicians start standing up to them, the majority will take control.

Cheney has all the same political beliefs than the typical republican has. I'm not sure why it is that someone like her can't be the person republicans follow. She's merely telling people that Trump is lying about the election, which he clearly is.
Republican leadership lose confidence in Liz Cheney because she refuses to perpetuate a debunked conspiracy theory. How did we get so far down this rabbit hole where R’s with principles and a moral compass are getting removed from positions?



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Re: Current Republican Leaders curbing the right

Post by BigBruceBaker » Wed May 05, 2021 7:11 am

wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:04 am
iaafan wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 7:58 am
wbtfg wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 5:54 am
Hopefully traditional republicans can get on board with Cheney's politics. If enough people do, then maybe Cruz, Hawley, Boebert, etc. can quit their acts (pandering to base) and we can move on from Trump. I like to think that Trump's followers are in the minority in the republican party and that as soon as republican politicians start standing up to them, the majority will take control.

Cheney has all the same political beliefs than the typical republican has. I'm not sure why it is that someone like her can't be the person republicans follow. She's merely telling people that Trump is lying about the election, which he clearly is.
Republican leadership lose confidence in Liz Cheney because she refuses to perpetuate a debunked conspiracy theory. How did we get so far down this rabbit hole where R’s with principles and a moral compass are getting removed from positions?
I agree. However the exact same thing can be said for the Democrat party. Both parties are leaving the middle at an astonishing rate. And what’s interesting is the things that really matter neither side does anything about. Why I can’t stand the parties.


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Re: Current Republican Leaders curbing the right

Post by wbtfg » Wed May 05, 2021 7:13 am

BigBruceBaker wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:11 am
wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:04 am
iaafan wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 7:58 am
wbtfg wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 5:54 am
Hopefully traditional republicans can get on board with Cheney's politics. If enough people do, then maybe Cruz, Hawley, Boebert, etc. can quit their acts (pandering to base) and we can move on from Trump. I like to think that Trump's followers are in the minority in the republican party and that as soon as republican politicians start standing up to them, the majority will take control.

Cheney has all the same political beliefs than the typical republican has. I'm not sure why it is that someone like her can't be the person republicans follow. She's merely telling people that Trump is lying about the election, which he clearly is.
Republican leadership lose confidence in Liz Cheney because she refuses to perpetuate a debunked conspiracy theory. How did we get so far down this rabbit hole where R’s with principles and a moral compass are getting removed from positions?
I agree. However the exact same thing can be said for the Democrat party. Both parties are leaving the middle at an astonishing rate. And what’s interesting is the things that really matter neither side does anything about. Why I can’t stand the parties.
I’m not totally sure I totally agree with that. Tell me more. What’s a similar example for D’s?



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Re: Current Republican Leaders curbing the right

Post by Cataholic » Wed May 05, 2021 7:32 am

wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:13 am
BigBruceBaker wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:11 am
wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:04 am
iaafan wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 7:58 am
wbtfg wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 5:54 am
Hopefully traditional republicans can get on board with Cheney's politics. If enough people do, then maybe Cruz, Hawley, Boebert, etc. can quit their acts (pandering to base) and we can move on from Trump. I like to think that Trump's followers are in the minority in the republican party and that as soon as republican politicians start standing up to them, the majority will take control.

Cheney has all the same political beliefs than the typical republican has. I'm not sure why it is that someone like her can't be the person republicans follow. She's merely telling people that Trump is lying about the election, which he clearly is.
Republican leadership lose confidence in Liz Cheney because she refuses to perpetuate a debunked conspiracy theory. How did we get so far down this rabbit hole where R’s with principles and a moral compass are getting removed from positions?
I agree. However the exact same thing can be said for the Democrat party. Both parties are leaving the middle at an astonishing rate. And what’s interesting is the things that really matter neither side does anything about. Why I can’t stand the parties.
I’m not totally sure I totally agree with that. Tell me more. What’s a similar example for D’s?
Sanders, Warren, AOC, Cory Bush, Ilhan Omar, the rest of the squad...



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Re: Current Republican Leaders curbing the right

Post by wbtfg » Wed May 05, 2021 7:38 am

Cataholic wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:32 am
wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:13 am
BigBruceBaker wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:11 am
wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:04 am
iaafan wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 7:58 am
wbtfg wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 5:54 am
Hopefully traditional republicans can get on board with Cheney's politics. If enough people do, then maybe Cruz, Hawley, Boebert, etc. can quit their acts (pandering to base) and we can move on from Trump. I like to think that Trump's followers are in the minority in the republican party and that as soon as republican politicians start standing up to them, the majority will take control.

Cheney has all the same political beliefs than the typical republican has. I'm not sure why it is that someone like her can't be the person republicans follow. She's merely telling people that Trump is lying about the election, which he clearly is.
Republican leadership lose confidence in Liz Cheney because she refuses to perpetuate a debunked conspiracy theory. How did we get so far down this rabbit hole where R’s with principles and a moral compass are getting removed from positions?
I agree. However the exact same thing can be said for the Democrat party. Both parties are leaving the middle at an astonishing rate. And what’s interesting is the things that really matter neither side does anything about. Why I can’t stand the parties.
I’m not totally sure I totally agree with that. Tell me more. What’s a similar example for D’s?
Sanders, Warren, AOC, Cory Bush, Ilhan Omar, the rest of the squad...
Complete sentences would be super helpful.



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Re: Current Republican Leaders curbing the right

Post by The Butcher » Wed May 05, 2021 7:39 am

arvcat2 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 2:09 pm
Interesting :-k . Tomcat88, wbtfg, iaafan, & Masterbutcher all view Liz Cheney as reasonable GOP politician that could bring the party to the center. Guess that makes all four of you pro war, because, just like her daddy, that’s her main shtick. But hey, Bush & McCain are considered "traditional republicans" and they sure liked wars too.
This is a great example of how the right has become unmovable in its protection of the “Big Lie” and partisanship has taken over individual thought. If you agree with one particular issue you are “all in” with that person (as arvcat2 has suggested with their post). It is pretty sad that many self-proclaimed “Republicans” have found this to be acceptable due to their lack of critical thinking.



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Re: Current Republican Leaders curbing the right

Post by Cataholic » Wed May 05, 2021 7:41 am

wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:38 am
Cataholic wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:32 am
wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:13 am
BigBruceBaker wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:11 am
wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:04 am
iaafan wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 7:58 am
wbtfg wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 5:54 am
Hopefully traditional republicans can get on board with Cheney's politics. If enough people do, then maybe Cruz, Hawley, Boebert, etc. can quit their acts (pandering to base) and we can move on from Trump. I like to think that Trump's followers are in the minority in the republican party and that as soon as republican politicians start standing up to them, the majority will take control.

Cheney has all the same political beliefs than the typical republican has. I'm not sure why it is that someone like her can't be the person republicans follow. She's merely telling people that Trump is lying about the election, which he clearly is.
Republican leadership lose confidence in Liz Cheney because she refuses to perpetuate a debunked conspiracy theory. How did we get so far down this rabbit hole where R’s with principles and a moral compass are getting removed from positions?
I agree. However the exact same thing can be said for the Democrat party. Both parties are leaving the middle at an astonishing rate. And what’s interesting is the things that really matter neither side does anything about. Why I can’t stand the parties.
I’m not totally sure I totally agree with that. Tell me more. What’s a similar example for D’s?
Sanders, Warren, AOC, Cory Bush, Ilhan Omar, the rest of the squad...
Complete sentences would be super helpful.
You asked what is a similar example for the Dems in comparison to Liz Cheney pushing the Republican party in a different direction? I gave you a couple examples. Was it that hard to interpret, or you just trying to be argumentative?



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Re: Current Republican Leaders curbing the right

Post by wbtfg » Wed May 05, 2021 7:49 am

Cataholic wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:41 am
wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:38 am
Cataholic wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:32 am
wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:13 am
BigBruceBaker wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:11 am
wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:04 am
iaafan wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 7:58 am
wbtfg wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 5:54 am
Hopefully traditional republicans can get on board with Cheney's politics. If enough people do, then maybe Cruz, Hawley, Boebert, etc. can quit their acts (pandering to base) and we can move on from Trump. I like to think that Trump's followers are in the minority in the republican party and that as soon as republican politicians start standing up to them, the majority will take control.

Cheney has all the same political beliefs than the typical republican has. I'm not sure why it is that someone like her can't be the person republicans follow. She's merely telling people that Trump is lying about the election, which he clearly is.
Republican leadership lose confidence in Liz Cheney because she refuses to perpetuate a debunked conspiracy theory. How did we get so far down this rabbit hole where R’s with principles and a moral compass are getting removed from positions?
I agree. However the exact same thing can be said for the Democrat party. Both parties are leaving the middle at an astonishing rate. And what’s interesting is the things that really matter neither side does anything about. Why I can’t stand the parties.
I’m not totally sure I totally agree with that. Tell me more. What’s a similar example for D’s?
Sanders, Warren, AOC, Cory Bush, Ilhan Omar, the rest of the squad...
Complete sentences would be super helpful.
You asked what is a similar example for the Dems in comparison to Liz Cheney pushing the Republican party in a different direction? I gave you a couple examples. Was it that hard to interpret, or you just trying to be argumentative?
Not trying to be argumentative at all. I think you maybe misunderstood my question, or maybe I did a poor job of communicating the question. There are lots of examples of people pushing their party in different directions. That could be good or bad depending on the direction, but it’s part of politics and his happens all the time.

My question was more specific to pushing someone out of the party because they have integrity and a strong moral compass refuse to perpetuate a debunked conspiracy theory. That’s the part that seems to be unique about the current Republican Party.



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Re: Current Republican Leaders curbing the right

Post by Cataholic » Wed May 05, 2021 7:52 am

iaafan wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 6:10 am
Cataholic wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 7:18 pm
grizgirl wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 6:25 pm
catatac wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 4:54 pm
grizgirl wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 3:31 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 2:33 pm
arvcat2 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 2:09 pm
Interesting :-k . Tomcat88, wbtfg, iaafan, & Masterbutcher all view Liz Cheney as reasonable GOP politician that could bring the party to the center. Guess that makes all four of you pro war, because, just like her daddy, that’s her main shtick. But hey, Bush & McCain are considered "traditional republicans" and they sure liked wars too.

THE BIG LIE is that Liz Cheney represents the majority of her constituents in Wyoming & is a leader of the national GOP base. The only way she gets reelected to congress is if large numbers of WY democrats vote for her. Her #3 position in the GOP caucus is becoming more & more tenuous too.
I have asked those far left liberals to post policies that illustrate how the Republican Party has moved to the right. They haven’t because it is not true. At a minimum, the Republican Party is much closer to the center than the Democratic Party who has moved extremely far left. Their policies on defund the police, DC statehood, expand the Supreme Court, immigration, open borders, legalized drugs, increased assistance, woke culture, transgender issues, environment, energy, free college, etc. The list just goes on showing how far left the Democratic Party has moved.
The United States has always and will always move left. That’s because the left is progressive. However, of all developed countries the United States is to the right. We are not keeping up with other nations. I can’t speak for other posters on the left, but I believe this is what they’re talking about.

When you look back you see that the right wing in the United States has more often than not been on the wrong/losing side of history.
You know what has REALLY been on the wrong side of history in terms of once strong nations that end in collapse? Socialism. I'm not saying all Dems or left leaners want Socialism - but there are a lot of them out there that do and that would ultimately be the demise of the United States of America.
You’re right. However there are not very many people in America and none that I know of in Congress that want Socialism in the United States. So I’m not sure what you’re bringing that up for.

There is quite a strong push for Democratic Socialism, which has served the country well in the past. But it has very little in common with Socialism.
I am not so sure about your view of Congress and socialism. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are self described supporters of socialism. AOC and the squad are very similar as well. And Bidens recent actions are clearly a movement to the left.

I have never understood the obsession with socialism. Here is an article in Forbes describing how there is not one socialist country that has succeeded in the past 100 years.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rainerzite ... -dies/amp/

Grizgirl also made a comment about other countries being ahead of us. I cannot think of one single country in the world that I would rather bring up my children. Why does the left want to be more like other countries? Have you seen the problems that Europe has with racism, poverty and immigration? Have you been to Europe to understand how far behind those countries are? For example, many families in Europe own one car that parents and children all share. How many families in the US do you know that share just one vehicle? Europeans use public transit because they have to, not because they want to. My daughter spent a summer schooling in France. She was in Nice where the humidity is like Florida. No air conditioning anywhere. Those are the little luxuries that we take for granted in the US that other countries can’t fathom.
A democratic socialist is not a socialist. Bernie Sanders is a self described democratic socialist. He has this website: https://berniesanders.com/get-involved/ ... s-america/

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not everyone thinks that the USA is ahead of every country.
USA is currently only ranked the 17th most livable nation.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countr ... e-rankings
Your links aren’t working.

And I love how Democrats are quick to say it is not socialism - and that it is Democratic socialism. IT IS STILL SOCIALISM. Yes, there is no dictator involved, but there is a heavy dose of government control. Hasn’t our country thrived on individual freedom?

Also, do you really believe that there are 17 countries in this world that are better places to live than the US? I just don’t understand why liberals are always trying to portray the US as an awful place.. Do you not love our country?



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Re: Current Republican Leaders curbing the right

Post by Cataholic » Wed May 05, 2021 8:05 am

wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:49 am
Cataholic wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:41 am
wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:38 am
Cataholic wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:32 am
wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:13 am
BigBruceBaker wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:11 am
wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:04 am
iaafan wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 7:58 am
wbtfg wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 5:54 am
Hopefully traditional republicans can get on board with Cheney's politics. If enough people do, then maybe Cruz, Hawley, Boebert, etc. can quit their acts (pandering to base) and we can move on from Trump. I like to think that Trump's followers are in the minority in the republican party and that as soon as republican politicians start standing up to them, the majority will take control.

Cheney has all the same political beliefs than the typical republican has. I'm not sure why it is that someone like her can't be the person republicans follow. She's merely telling people that Trump is lying about the election, which he clearly is.
Republican leadership lose confidence in Liz Cheney because she refuses to perpetuate a debunked conspiracy theory. How did we get so far down this rabbit hole where R’s with principles and a moral compass are getting removed from positions?
I agree. However the exact same thing can be said for the Democrat party. Both parties are leaving the middle at an astonishing rate. And what’s interesting is the things that really matter neither side does anything about. Why I can’t stand the parties.
I’m not totally sure I totally agree with that. Tell me more. What’s a similar example for D’s?
Sanders, Warren, AOC, Cory Bush, Ilhan Omar, the rest of the squad...
Complete sentences would be super helpful.
You asked what is a similar example for the Dems in comparison to Liz Cheney pushing the Republican party in a different direction? I gave you a couple examples. Was it that hard to interpret, or you just trying to be argumentative?
Not trying to be argumentative at all. I think you maybe misunderstood my question, or maybe I did a poor job of communicating the question. There are lots of examples of people pushing their party in different directions. That could be good or bad depending on the direction, but it’s part of politics and his happens all the time.

My question was more specific to pushing someone out of the party because they have integrity and a strong moral compass refuse to perpetuate a debunked conspiracy theory. That’s the part that seems to be unique about the current Republican Party.
I think Joe Manchin has some similar parallels. He is probably the most moderate Democrat and has alienated a large portion of his party with his political views. He is just in West Virginia where he is unbeatable.



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Re: Current Republican Leaders curbing the right

Post by wbtfg » Wed May 05, 2021 8:14 am

Cataholic wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 8:05 am
wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:49 am
Cataholic wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:41 am
wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:38 am
Cataholic wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:32 am
wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:13 am
BigBruceBaker wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:11 am
wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:04 am
iaafan wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 7:58 am
wbtfg wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 5:54 am
Hopefully traditional republicans can get on board with Cheney's politics. If enough people do, then maybe Cruz, Hawley, Boebert, etc. can quit their acts (pandering to base) and we can move on from Trump. I like to think that Trump's followers are in the minority in the republican party and that as soon as republican politicians start standing up to them, the majority will take control.

Cheney has all the same political beliefs than the typical republican has. I'm not sure why it is that someone like her can't be the person republicans follow. She's merely telling people that Trump is lying about the election, which he clearly is.
Republican leadership lose confidence in Liz Cheney because she refuses to perpetuate a debunked conspiracy theory. How did we get so far down this rabbit hole where R’s with principles and a moral compass are getting removed from positions?
I agree. However the exact same thing can be said for the Democrat party. Both parties are leaving the middle at an astonishing rate. And what’s interesting is the things that really matter neither side does anything about. Why I can’t stand the parties.
I’m not totally sure I totally agree with that. Tell me more. What’s a similar example for D’s?
Sanders, Warren, AOC, Cory Bush, Ilhan Omar, the rest of the squad...
Complete sentences would be super helpful.
You asked what is a similar example for the Dems in comparison to Liz Cheney pushing the Republican party in a different direction? I gave you a couple examples. Was it that hard to interpret, or you just trying to be argumentative?
Not trying to be argumentative at all. I think you maybe misunderstood my question, or maybe I did a poor job of communicating the question. There are lots of examples of people pushing their party in different directions. That could be good or bad depending on the direction, but it’s part of politics and his happens all the time.

My question was more specific to pushing someone out of the party because they have integrity and a strong moral compass refuse to perpetuate a debunked conspiracy theory. That’s the part that seems to be unique about the current Republican Party.
I think Joe Manchin has some similar parallels. He is probably the most moderate Democrat and has alienated a large portion of his party with his political views. He is just in West Virginia where he is unbeatable.
I’m having a hard time understanding how policy disagreements and being ostracized for not perpetuating a debunked lie about election fraud are remotely similar.



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Re: Current Republican Leaders curbing the right

Post by BigBruceBaker » Wed May 05, 2021 8:23 am

wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:13 am
BigBruceBaker wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:11 am
wbtfg wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:04 am
iaafan wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 7:58 am
wbtfg wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 5:54 am
Hopefully traditional republicans can get on board with Cheney's politics. If enough people do, then maybe Cruz, Hawley, Boebert, etc. can quit their acts (pandering to base) and we can move on from Trump. I like to think that Trump's followers are in the minority in the republican party and that as soon as republican politicians start standing up to them, the majority will take control.

Cheney has all the same political beliefs than the typical republican has. I'm not sure why it is that someone like her can't be the person republicans follow. She's merely telling people that Trump is lying about the election, which he clearly is.
Republican leadership lose confidence in Liz Cheney because she refuses to perpetuate a debunked conspiracy theory. How did we get so far down this rabbit hole where R’s with principles and a moral compass are getting removed from positions?
I agree. However the exact same thing can be said for the Democrat party. Both parties are leaving the middle at an astonishing rate. And what’s interesting is the things that really matter neither side does anything about. Why I can’t stand the parties.
I’m not totally sure I totally agree with that. Tell me more. What’s a similar example for D’s?
I was reading quickly as I was trying to get kids out of the house for school. I focused to much on the rabbit hole with principals and moral compass part, I was responding to that.

I don't believe democrats are removing moderates within their party from positions of power. Mostly because I don't believe they have any moderates left in positions of power. Same goes for the Republicans, I don't believe many moderate right people have positions of power.

Hopefully that clarifies my stance, I should have read it slower!


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First time since Herbert Hoover. It's hard to wrap your head around the infatuation the right has with Donald Trump. It's almost, dare I say, deranged.


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Re: Current Republican Leaders curbing the right

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TomCat88 wrote:
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First time since Herbert Hoover. It's hard to wrap your head around the infatuation the right has with Donald Trump. It's almost, dare I say, deranged.
It's hard to wrap your head around the fixation and obsession the lefties, wokesters, BlueAnons & pro-war “moderates” (dare I say I am referring to Liz Cheney and not you, TC88) have with Donald Trump. It isn’t almost, it is, deranged.



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arvcat2 wrote:
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TomCat88 wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 7:12 pm


First time since Herbert Hoover. It's hard to wrap your head around the infatuation the right has with Donald Trump. It's almost, dare I say, deranged.
It's hard to wrap your head around the fixation and obsession the lefties, wokesters, BlueAnons & pro-war “moderates” (dare I say I am referring to Liz Cheney and not you, TC88) have with Donald Trump. It isn’t almost, it is, deranged.
Can we not get rid of both warmongers and perpetuators of the Big Lie?


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Re: Current Republican Leaders curbing the right

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Liz Cheney pens letter to the editor in WaPo. Hard to believe she could lose her job simply because she won’t perpetuate Trump’s debunked lie.

Republican Donors and Voters are going to have to choose between team Cheney and team Trump.



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Re: Current Republican Leaders curbing the right

Post by iaafan » Thu May 06, 2021 8:07 am

wbtfg wrote:
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Liz Cheney pens letter to the editor in WaPo. Hard to believe she could lose her job simply because she won’t perpetuate Trump’s debunked lie.

Republican Donors and Voters are going to have to choose between team Cheney and team Trump.
It is hard to believe, but they don't want the party to be split and the people that would normally side with Cheney won't do it due to the ramifications of that. If a large majority would follow, they'd do it, but the Trump faction is too big. I think it's 46% right now. That's just too big. Whenever they get pushed the republicans in office find a way to stick up for Trump.



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