Grove Brothers enter transfer portal
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:37 pm
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LOL...can you imagine a starting five that included Belo with the Groves brothers? Holy smokes that would be awesome!Bobcat4Ever wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:54 pmI’m pretty sure they heard that Sprinkle was looking for two transfers from the NCAA utility. If wishes were horses...
Some? like 7 at least... Gonzaga looks like a NBA team this year. I wouldn't doubt it though, that'd be an easy move.BelgradeBobcat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:52 amI would guess Gonzaga is going to lose some guys to the NBA after this season so they'll have some spots available.
After doing a little research during their USC blowout win, I'm pretty sure Gonzaga's last five-the guys who only get in the game in the last minutes of a blowout, would be a top 20 team in their own right. They are so freaking talented. The Groves brothers might not ever get a sniff of playing time with that outfit. How does Gonzaga do it??? There are dozens of small private Catholic colleges in D-1 in much more idyllic locations than Spokane after all.luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:24 pmSome? like 7 at least... Gonzaga looks like a NBA team this year. I wouldn't doubt it though, that'd be an easy move.BelgradeBobcat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:52 amI would guess Gonzaga is going to lose some guys to the NBA after this season so they'll have some spots available.
That was probably a hypothetical question, but one I've thought about a lot. It serves as a model for lots of schools, especially in basketball. Obviously Mark Few is kind of at the heart of it. When you have that kind of continuity for that long, I think anything is possible. Most quality coaches can make incremental improvements every year, and if you can do that consistently for 20 years with no setbacks, this is just the natural progression. The question is, how do you keep a quality coach at a program like that for this long? Obviously you have to be able to pay them something competitive, even though you're not going to get close to UNC/Kentucky money, and it's not that hard to do once you have the attendance and TV revenue Gonzaga has been able to get, even in that conference. I think the other part of it is that Mark Few is a unique person in that he's not chasing that big job all the time. He might end up taking a bigger job someday, but the fact that he has stayed as long as he has is a testament to how much he likes being in the northwest. He has said he loves everything this region has to offer, and to him that's worth more than living somewhere else and making more money (possibly lots more). It speaks to the value of patience in a system and a process. I'm all for accountability for coaches, and moving on if there are major setbacks, but sometimes programs move on because progress isn't fast enough. If a program improves by even 5% a year, 20 years of that is huge. Strictly mathematically, a 5% increase every year for 20 years makes something almost 3 times better/more valuable. That's probably oversimplified, but steady, incremental improvement is so valuable and I think that's how you explain Gonzaga's success. I happen to think it's something the MSU women are capable of too.BelgradeBobcat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:05 pmAfter doing a little research during their USC blowout win, I'm pretty sure Gonzaga's last five-the guys who only get in the game in the last minutes of a blowout, would be a top 20 team in their own right. They are so freaking talented. The Groves brothers might not ever get a sniff of playing time with that outfit. How does Gonzaga do it??? There are dozens of small private Catholic colleges in D-1 in much more idyllic locations than Spokane after all.luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:24 pmSome? like 7 at least... Gonzaga looks like a NBA team this year. I wouldn't doubt it though, that'd be an easy move.BelgradeBobcat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:52 amI would guess Gonzaga is going to lose some guys to the NBA after this season so they'll have some spots available.
Few is the cog that makes the Gonzaga wheel turn imo, arguably one of the best college basketball coaches ever and possibly one of the most loyal persons in the world. He's not poor, but he's been offered 5x more than he makes right now and he's stayed at Gonzaga. My wife is a Zag Alum and a huge basketball fan, she attended the Zags first elite 8 as a student, she believe's Few won't leave until the Zags bring home the chipper.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:57 amThat was probably a hypothetical question, but one I've thought about a lot. It serves as a model for lots of schools, especially in basketball. Obviously Mark Few is kind of at the heart of it. When you have that kind of continuity for that long, I think anything is possible. Most quality coaches can make incremental improvements every year, and if you can do that consistently for 20 years with no setbacks, this is just the natural progression. The question is, how do you keep a quality coach at a program like that for this long? Obviously you have to be able to pay them something competitive, even though you're not going to get close to UNC/Kentucky money, and it's not that hard to do once you have the attendance and TV revenue Gonzaga has been able to get, even in that conference. I think the other part of it is that Mark Few is a unique person in that he's not chasing that big job all the time. He might end up taking a bigger job someday, but the fact that he has stayed as long as he has is a testament to how much he likes being in the northwest. He has said he loves everything this region has to offer, and to him that's worth more than living somewhere else and making more money (possibly lots more). It speaks to the value of patience in a system and a process. I'm all for accountability for coaches, and moving on if there are major setbacks, but sometimes programs move on because progress isn't fast enough. If a program improves by even 5% a year, 20 years of that is huge. Strictly mathematically, a 5% increase every year for 20 years makes something almost 3 times better/more valuable. That's probably oversimplified, but steady, incremental improvement is so valuable and I think that's how you explain Gonzaga's success. I happen to think it's something the MSU women are capable of too.BelgradeBobcat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:05 pmAfter doing a little research during their USC blowout win, I'm pretty sure Gonzaga's last five-the guys who only get in the game in the last minutes of a blowout, would be a top 20 team in their own right. They are so freaking talented. The Groves brothers might not ever get a sniff of playing time with that outfit. How does Gonzaga do it??? There are dozens of small private Catholic colleges in D-1 in much more idyllic locations than Spokane after all.luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:24 pmSome? like 7 at least... Gonzaga looks like a NBA team this year. I wouldn't doubt it though, that'd be an easy move.BelgradeBobcat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:52 amI would guess Gonzaga is going to lose some guys to the NBA after this season so they'll have some spots available.
Well it'll be a disappointment if that doesn't happen this year. Maybe he'll go to UNC if they win it. Never thought I'd pull for Gonzaga not to win!luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:32 pmFew is the cog that makes the Gonzaga wheel turn imo, arguably one of the best college basketball coaches ever and possibly one of the most loyal persons in the world. He's not poor, but he's been offered 5x more than he makes right now and he's stayed at Gonzaga. My wife is a Zag Alum and a huge basketball fan, she attended the Zags first elite 8 as a student, she believe's Few won't leave until the Zags bring home the chipper.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:57 amThat was probably a hypothetical question, but one I've thought about a lot. It serves as a model for lots of schools, especially in basketball. Obviously Mark Few is kind of at the heart of it. When you have that kind of continuity for that long, I think anything is possible. Most quality coaches can make incremental improvements every year, and if you can do that consistently for 20 years with no setbacks, this is just the natural progression. The question is, how do you keep a quality coach at a program like that for this long? Obviously you have to be able to pay them something competitive, even though you're not going to get close to UNC/Kentucky money, and it's not that hard to do once you have the attendance and TV revenue Gonzaga has been able to get, even in that conference. I think the other part of it is that Mark Few is a unique person in that he's not chasing that big job all the time. He might end up taking a bigger job someday, but the fact that he has stayed as long as he has is a testament to how much he likes being in the northwest. He has said he loves everything this region has to offer, and to him that's worth more than living somewhere else and making more money (possibly lots more). It speaks to the value of patience in a system and a process. I'm all for accountability for coaches, and moving on if there are major setbacks, but sometimes programs move on because progress isn't fast enough. If a program improves by even 5% a year, 20 years of that is huge. Strictly mathematically, a 5% increase every year for 20 years makes something almost 3 times better/more valuable. That's probably oversimplified, but steady, incremental improvement is so valuable and I think that's how you explain Gonzaga's success. I happen to think it's something the MSU women are capable of too.BelgradeBobcat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:05 pmAfter doing a little research during their USC blowout win, I'm pretty sure Gonzaga's last five-the guys who only get in the game in the last minutes of a blowout, would be a top 20 team in their own right. They are so freaking talented. The Groves brothers might not ever get a sniff of playing time with that outfit. How does Gonzaga do it??? There are dozens of small private Catholic colleges in D-1 in much more idyllic locations than Spokane after all.luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:24 pmSome? like 7 at least... Gonzaga looks like a NBA team this year. I wouldn't doubt it though, that'd be an easy move.BelgradeBobcat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:52 amI would guess Gonzaga is going to lose some guys to the NBA after this season so they'll have some spots available.
The Wife says that's blasphemy.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:47 pmWell it'll be a disappointment if that doesn't happen this year. Maybe he'll go to UNC if they win it. Never thought I'd pull for Gonzaga not to win!luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:32 pmFew is the cog that makes the Gonzaga wheel turn imo, arguably one of the best college basketball coaches ever and possibly one of the most loyal persons in the world. He's not poor, but he's been offered 5x more than he makes right now and he's stayed at Gonzaga. My wife is a Zag Alum and a huge basketball fan, she attended the Zags first elite 8 as a student, she believe's Few won't leave until the Zags bring home the chipper.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:57 amThat was probably a hypothetical question, but one I've thought about a lot. It serves as a model for lots of schools, especially in basketball. Obviously Mark Few is kind of at the heart of it. When you have that kind of continuity for that long, I think anything is possible. Most quality coaches can make incremental improvements every year, and if you can do that consistently for 20 years with no setbacks, this is just the natural progression. The question is, how do you keep a quality coach at a program like that for this long? Obviously you have to be able to pay them something competitive, even though you're not going to get close to UNC/Kentucky money, and it's not that hard to do once you have the attendance and TV revenue Gonzaga has been able to get, even in that conference. I think the other part of it is that Mark Few is a unique person in that he's not chasing that big job all the time. He might end up taking a bigger job someday, but the fact that he has stayed as long as he has is a testament to how much he likes being in the northwest. He has said he loves everything this region has to offer, and to him that's worth more than living somewhere else and making more money (possibly lots more). It speaks to the value of patience in a system and a process. I'm all for accountability for coaches, and moving on if there are major setbacks, but sometimes programs move on because progress isn't fast enough. If a program improves by even 5% a year, 20 years of that is huge. Strictly mathematically, a 5% increase every year for 20 years makes something almost 3 times better/more valuable. That's probably oversimplified, but steady, incremental improvement is so valuable and I think that's how you explain Gonzaga's success. I happen to think it's something the MSU women are capable of too.BelgradeBobcat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:05 pmAfter doing a little research during their USC blowout win, I'm pretty sure Gonzaga's last five-the guys who only get in the game in the last minutes of a blowout, would be a top 20 team in their own right. They are so freaking talented. The Groves brothers might not ever get a sniff of playing time with that outfit. How does Gonzaga do it??? There are dozens of small private Catholic colleges in D-1 in much more idyllic locations than Spokane after all.luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:24 pmSome? like 7 at least... Gonzaga looks like a NBA team this year. I wouldn't doubt it though, that'd be an easy move.BelgradeBobcat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:52 amI would guess Gonzaga is going to lose some guys to the NBA after this season so they'll have some spots available.
It is, but my guess is UNC will be looking to make a splash. Calipari gets $8M a year at Kentucky and I'm sure UNC is more than willing to match that for the right guy. I don't care how much you like salmon fishing, that's gotta be hard to turn down. Few is making $1.8M as a base though, and for the right lifestyle I guess I could settle for paltry earnings like that.luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:59 pmThe Wife says that's blasphemy.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:47 pmWell it'll be a disappointment if that doesn't happen this year. Maybe he'll go to UNC if they win it. Never thought I'd pull for Gonzaga not to win!luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:32 pmFew is the cog that makes the Gonzaga wheel turn imo, arguably one of the best college basketball coaches ever and possibly one of the most loyal persons in the world. He's not poor, but he's been offered 5x more than he makes right now and he's stayed at Gonzaga. My wife is a Zag Alum and a huge basketball fan, she attended the Zags first elite 8 as a student, she believe's Few won't leave until the Zags bring home the chipper.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:57 amThat was probably a hypothetical question, but one I've thought about a lot. It serves as a model for lots of schools, especially in basketball. Obviously Mark Few is kind of at the heart of it. When you have that kind of continuity for that long, I think anything is possible. Most quality coaches can make incremental improvements every year, and if you can do that consistently for 20 years with no setbacks, this is just the natural progression. The question is, how do you keep a quality coach at a program like that for this long? Obviously you have to be able to pay them something competitive, even though you're not going to get close to UNC/Kentucky money, and it's not that hard to do once you have the attendance and TV revenue Gonzaga has been able to get, even in that conference. I think the other part of it is that Mark Few is a unique person in that he's not chasing that big job all the time. He might end up taking a bigger job someday, but the fact that he has stayed as long as he has is a testament to how much he likes being in the northwest. He has said he loves everything this region has to offer, and to him that's worth more than living somewhere else and making more money (possibly lots more). It speaks to the value of patience in a system and a process. I'm all for accountability for coaches, and moving on if there are major setbacks, but sometimes programs move on because progress isn't fast enough. If a program improves by even 5% a year, 20 years of that is huge. Strictly mathematically, a 5% increase every year for 20 years makes something almost 3 times better/more valuable. That's probably oversimplified, but steady, incremental improvement is so valuable and I think that's how you explain Gonzaga's success. I happen to think it's something the MSU women are capable of too.BelgradeBobcat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:05 pmAfter doing a little research during their USC blowout win, I'm pretty sure Gonzaga's last five-the guys who only get in the game in the last minutes of a blowout, would be a top 20 team in their own right. They are so freaking talented. The Groves brothers might not ever get a sniff of playing time with that outfit. How does Gonzaga do it??? There are dozens of small private Catholic colleges in D-1 in much more idyllic locations than Spokane after all.luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:24 pmSome? like 7 at least... Gonzaga looks like a NBA team this year. I wouldn't doubt it though, that'd be an easy move.BelgradeBobcat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:52 amI would guess Gonzaga is going to lose some guys to the NBA after this season so they'll have some spots available.
In college basketball, coaches can make a massive difference-that's for sure. Some programs like Kentucky and North Carolina will always be up there no matter what, but look at UCLA without Wooden, Indiana without Knight, DePaul without Ray Meyer, etc. How about Duke-they weren't world beaters before Coach K-will they be after he's gone? So Few is probably in that super elite category. I would guess he stays at GU until they haul him out in a box, but who knows? It's a fascinating program. They even got it rolling while playing in the old Kennel-which looked about the size of Livingston's gym. I also wonder if they're kicking themselves that they made the new Kennel too small-I hear tickets are pretty tough to come by over there.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:40 pmIt is, but my guess is UNC will be looking to make a splash. Calipari gets $8M a year at Kentucky and I'm sure UNC is more than willing to match that for the right guy. I don't care how much you like salmon fishing, that's gotta be hard to turn down. Few is making $1.8M as a base though, and for the right lifestyle I guess I could settle for paltry earnings like that.luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:59 pmThe Wife says that's blasphemy.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:47 pmWell it'll be a disappointment if that doesn't happen this year. Maybe he'll go to UNC if they win it. Never thought I'd pull for Gonzaga not to win!luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:32 pmFew is the cog that makes the Gonzaga wheel turn imo, arguably one of the best college basketball coaches ever and possibly one of the most loyal persons in the world. He's not poor, but he's been offered 5x more than he makes right now and he's stayed at Gonzaga. My wife is a Zag Alum and a huge basketball fan, she attended the Zags first elite 8 as a student, she believe's Few won't leave until the Zags bring home the chipper.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:57 amThat was probably a hypothetical question, but one I've thought about a lot. It serves as a model for lots of schools, especially in basketball. Obviously Mark Few is kind of at the heart of it. When you have that kind of continuity for that long, I think anything is possible. Most quality coaches can make incremental improvements every year, and if you can do that consistently for 20 years with no setbacks, this is just the natural progression. The question is, how do you keep a quality coach at a program like that for this long? Obviously you have to be able to pay them something competitive, even though you're not going to get close to UNC/Kentucky money, and it's not that hard to do once you have the attendance and TV revenue Gonzaga has been able to get, even in that conference. I think the other part of it is that Mark Few is a unique person in that he's not chasing that big job all the time. He might end up taking a bigger job someday, but the fact that he has stayed as long as he has is a testament to how much he likes being in the northwest. He has said he loves everything this region has to offer, and to him that's worth more than living somewhere else and making more money (possibly lots more). It speaks to the value of patience in a system and a process. I'm all for accountability for coaches, and moving on if there are major setbacks, but sometimes programs move on because progress isn't fast enough. If a program improves by even 5% a year, 20 years of that is huge. Strictly mathematically, a 5% increase every year for 20 years makes something almost 3 times better/more valuable. That's probably oversimplified, but steady, incremental improvement is so valuable and I think that's how you explain Gonzaga's success. I happen to think it's something the MSU women are capable of too.BelgradeBobcat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:05 pmAfter doing a little research during their USC blowout win, I'm pretty sure Gonzaga's last five-the guys who only get in the game in the last minutes of a blowout, would be a top 20 team in their own right. They are so freaking talented. The Groves brothers might not ever get a sniff of playing time with that outfit. How does Gonzaga do it??? There are dozens of small private Catholic colleges in D-1 in much more idyllic locations than Spokane after all.luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:24 pmSome? like 7 at least... Gonzaga looks like a NBA team this year. I wouldn't doubt it though, that'd be an easy move.BelgradeBobcat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:52 amI would guess Gonzaga is going to lose some guys to the NBA after this season so they'll have some spots available.