Schweyen out at Montana
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:03 pm
The best players don't always make good coaches. I think this was the right decision but it is messy because of her husband being the track and field coach, her 2 daughters being on team, and just the fact that Shannon is a griz legend. Watching them play this year, they would have long stretches when they wouldn't score a single point. They looked like a team of skilled players without a clue how to play game and that is coaching.mslacat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:39 am4 years ago when Robin Selvig retired the splashy high profile pick to replace him and the person most of the Boosters and Fans wanted was Shannon Schweyen. The correct choice was Lady Griz assistant (and former Ladygriz player) Trish Duce. When Robin retired he was asked to give a name the admin a name of his assistant coaches he would recommend to replace him. He would not give a single name but recommended the Admin hire either Shannon or Duce with no preference give.
The other thing is I think today the best person the Ladygriz program could hire would be there current assistant Mike Petrino (or maybe Loree Payne). He has been given the "interim Coach" label for the 20-21 season but he may end up being a sacrificial lamb. With the open roster spots the Ladygriz have now and if any other players defect (like maybe Shannon's two daughters) he is going to have a bitch of a time replacing them, ESPECIALLY this (Covid-19) spring!
Agree on all this. I wouldn't be surprised if current players were also interviewed, especially with the naming of Petrino as being named the interim coach.WeedKillinCat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:20 amKind of a crappy deal when they told her she was getting a 2 year deal.... but with all of the roster turnover that tells me that there's a problem. I wonder if the AD interviewed the players that left to get some input?
The AD and President have been in discussions with the players for about 2 years.WeedKillinCat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:20 amKind of a crappy deal when they told her she was getting a 2 year deal.... but with all of the roster turnover that tells me that there's a problem. I wonder if the AD interviewed the players that left to get some input?
I saw the comments in the paper about all the turnover. Guess I would have to see the numbers to support that as being the key metric. You have to remember you nearly always lose a couple players every year for whatever reason....boyfriend, girlfriend, school atmosphere, fit, lack of playing time, injury, academic pursuit, homesick, etc. etc.etc.WeedKillinCat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:20 amKind of a crappy deal when they told her she was getting a 2 year deal.... but with all of the roster turnover that tells me that there's a problem. I wonder if the AD interviewed the players that left to get some input?
Why? What was going on for that long?mslacat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:01 pmThe AD and President have been in discussions with the players for about 2 years.WeedKillinCat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:20 amKind of a crappy deal when they told her she was getting a 2 year deal.... but with all of the roster turnover that tells me that there's a problem. I wonder if the AD interviewed the players that left to get some input?
Sounds eerily like the men’s side. Lmao imagine calling the women’s not a rivalry, when on the men’s side you only took one game in the last decade. THAT is the epitome of “not a rivalry”, and it’s the basketball people actually care about.Catlady wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:09 amThey’re going to need a total reboot. The program has fallen behind the Bobcats significantly and the Griz supporters know that this was a move that needed to happen. Things seemed very toxic and the players didn’t want to be there. The program seemed behind the times and didn’t have the talent to compete. It really hasn’t been much of a rivalry. I sat by some Griz fans during Cat/Griz and the goal wasn’t to win, it was to keep the score respectable.
Can't argue that. We need to compete better in men's basketball. You do in women's basketball, and it seems like there's another sport that got real lopsided last year, we mostly win at your facility, some people in the state seem to watch that rivalry each year... dammit i can't think of it... oh that's right... it's the large revenue sport! You know, the one most fans care the most about.Griz__00 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:55 pmSounds eerily like the men’s side. Lmao imagine calling the women’s not a rivalry, when on the men’s side you only took one game in the last decade. THAT is the epitome of “not a rivalry”, and it’s the basketball people actually care about.Catlady wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:09 amThey’re going to need a total reboot. The program has fallen behind the Bobcats significantly and the Griz supporters know that this was a move that needed to happen. Things seemed very toxic and the players didn’t want to be there. The program seemed behind the times and didn’t have the talent to compete. It really hasn’t been much of a rivalry. I sat by some Griz fans during Cat/Griz and the goal wasn’t to win, it was to keep the score respectable.
mslacat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:01 pmThe AD and President have been in discussions with the players for about 2 years.WeedKillinCat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:20 amKind of a crappy deal when they told her she was getting a 2 year deal.... but with all of the roster turnover that tells me that there's a problem. I wonder if the AD interviewed the players that left to get some input?
Thank you Griz for that sage comment. Another area where you excel is the fine fine fine recruiting videos we see on TV exemplifying Montana. I saw one just last night. 20/20 is running a bunch of replays during these trying times and they happened to run one of your finest hours. The Jon Krakauer investigation with all the difficult interviews of multiple women whose lives were permanently injured. Heck if they keep replaying it for the next month while we are all quarantined you might have another 100 men from across America with “exemplary” reputations knocking on your doors in May.Griz__00 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:55 pmSounds eerily like the men’s side. Lmao imagine calling the women’s not a rivalry, when on the men’s side you only took one game in the last decade. THAT is the epitome of “not a rivalry”, and it’s the basketball people actually care about.Catlady wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:09 amThey’re going to need a total reboot. The program has fallen behind the Bobcats significantly and the Griz supporters know that this was a move that needed to happen. Things seemed very toxic and the players didn’t want to be there. The program seemed behind the times and didn’t have the talent to compete. It really hasn’t been much of a rivalry. I sat by some Griz fans during Cat/Griz and the goal wasn’t to win, it was to keep the score respectable.
I think you need to reread mslacat's posts. He's not saying there was a nefarious conspiracy involving the players, AD, and Pres against Shannon. My take is that the unusual number of defections from the program has been a concern that the players have discussed with the AD. Fact is, in 4 years, the lady griz graduated 5 players vs having 18 players leave in that time frame. Second fact, the AD's job is not to blindly support a coach. If there are issue in a program, the AD's job is figure out what is going on, try to mitigate the problem, and finally make decisions on whether a coaching change is needed. It is an unfortunate situation over the hill and I feel for Shannon but would have made the same decision as Haslam.BobcatDel wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:23 pmmslacat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:01 pmThe AD and President have been in discussions with the players for about 2 years.WeedKillinCat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:20 amKind of a crappy deal when they told her she was getting a 2 year deal.... but with all of the roster turnover that tells me that there's a problem. I wonder if the AD interviewed the players that left to get some input?
What do you mean by this? in discussion with the players for two years?..does that mean the players are running the program? If the President and AD were going around my back as a coach I would have quit day 1 that I found out about it....AD needs to have my back as a coach. In fact, if I was a new coach coming in and found out the AD was going to be “coaching around“ me I wouldn’t take the job....”here have at it Mr. Haslam you coach em up.”. The AD and President better be supporting me as a coach or confronting me directly if they don’t like my progress in terms of culture or program success on the court and classroom. And if the AD is caught offguard, then perhaps the AD should be terminated because he/she is clueless what is going on in the program.
As a coach, I have to be able to coach in a manner that fits my style....and that may mean I will weed out players that don’t want to play up to my expectations and I may use a style different than my predecessor. The first year or two some of the former recruits may not get the court time they got under a prior coach. I always say by year 3 a new coach should be showing the success from their style and their recruits.
Now if it was a case of abuse or threats or physical harm that’s a different matter.....and I understand the need to go around a coach to complain. If that was the case, as an AD I would investigate immediately and terminate the coach immediately if true....not after two years.......
But if it is a coaching style and technique thing...then as an AD and President you better be supporting me and get rid of me when I don’t deliver the results you expect or the goals you set for me when you hired me.
I reread twice and still don’t know what he means so will let him/her explain.rivercat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:33 pmI think you need to reread mslacat's posts. He's not saying there was a nefarious conspiracy involving the players, AD, and Pres against Shannon. My take is that the unusual number of defections from the program has been a concern that the players have discussed with the AD. Fact is, in 4 years, the lady griz graduated 5 players vs having 18 players leave in that time frame. Second fact, the AD's job is not to blindly support a coach. If there are issue in a program, the AD's job is figure out what is going on, try to mitigate the problem, and finally make decisions on whether a coaching change is needed. It is an unfortunate situation over the hill and I feel for Shannon but would have made the same decision as Haslam.BobcatDel wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:23 pmmslacat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:01 pmThe AD and President have been in discussions with the players for about 2 years.WeedKillinCat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:20 amKind of a crappy deal when they told her she was getting a 2 year deal.... but with all of the roster turnover that tells me that there's a problem. I wonder if the AD interviewed the players that left to get some input?
What do you mean by this? in discussion with the players for two years?..does that mean the players are running the program? If the President and AD were going around my back as a coach I would have quit day 1 that I found out about it....AD needs to have my back as a coach. In fact, if I was a new coach coming in and found out the AD was going to be “coaching around“ me I wouldn’t take the job....”here have at it Mr. Haslam you coach em up.”. The AD and President better be supporting me as a coach or confronting me directly if they don’t like my progress in terms of culture or program success on the court and classroom. And if the AD is caught offguard, then perhaps the AD should be terminated because he/she is clueless what is going on in the program.
As a coach, I have to be able to coach in a manner that fits my style....and that may mean I will weed out players that don’t want to play up to my expectations and I may use a style different than my predecessor. The first year or two some of the former recruits may not get the court time they got under a prior coach. I always say by year 3 a new coach should be showing the success from their style and their recruits.
Now if it was a case of abuse or threats or physical harm that’s a different matter.....and I understand the need to go around a coach to complain. If that was the case, as an AD I would investigate immediately and terminate the coach immediately if true....not after two years.......
But if it is a coaching style and technique thing...then as an AD and President you better be supporting me and get rid of me when I don’t deliver the results you expect or the goals you set for me when you hired me.