Re: Cats WBB
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:49 pm
I don't remember people complaining in 2016-17 that there was only 2 MT kids on the roster.
Beyond the Lady Griz, there were at least 2 sisters from Montana playing for Idaho St and another girl playing at Sac State that I can think of this year. I don't know the recruiting history of these 3 girls and if Binford offered them butHelcat72 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:44 pmI think that the fact Binford is not from Montana and has some good contacts in Colorado, Minnesota, Idaho, and Washington tends to make the team base from outside Montana. She cannot recruit against Schweyen because of the Montana ties, and the history of Lady Griz basketball and Montana players. UM seems to have the better players locked up. Either that or Gonzaga takes them. But when she does get a Montana player, I think she needs to give them a fair chance to prove themselves before sitting them on the bench and forgetting about them. She has 15 schollies for god's sake!
I wonder how many of the Montana players on the Lady Griz were actively recruited by Binford?
Nevada had Terae Briggs from Pryor, Idaho had Lizzie and Natalie Klinker from Fairfield and a year ago Gonzaga had Jill Barta from Fairfield. So there's those kids.arvcat2 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:08 pmBeyond the Lady Griz, there were at least 2 sisters from Montana playing for Idaho St and another girl playing at Sac State that I can think of this year. I don't know the recruiting history of these 3 girls and if Binford offered them butHelcat72 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:44 pmI think that the fact Binford is not from Montana and has some good contacts in Colorado, Minnesota, Idaho, and Washington tends to make the team base from outside Montana. She cannot recruit against Schweyen because of the Montana ties, and the history of Lady Griz basketball and Montana players. UM seems to have the better players locked up. Either that or Gonzaga takes them. But when she does get a Montana player, I think she needs to give them a fair chance to prove themselves before sitting them on the bench and forgetting about them. She has 15 schollies for god's sake!
I wonder how many of the Montana players on the Lady Griz were actively recruited by Binford?
Having ONE Montana Class C superstar on that roster goes a long way towards burying Binford’s disregard for Montana athletes. Who was the other Montana girl on that team?
Shaide.
You are on top of the twitterverse when it comes to recruiting so you tell me. Or perhaps Mslacat would chime in as he’s our VimSince03 of Bobcat basketball recruiting? I have no documentational evidence to support my assertions.Hawks86 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:41 pmShaide.
Could you tell me how many of the MT girls that signed with other D1 schools got an offer from Binford? If she offered and they went elsewhere is that ignoring and showing disregard?
Catlady wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:46 pmIs this even a debate? I think the key is to win championships! I don’t care if the players are from Venus! I know it’s the off season, but can we get back to talking about putting together a winning basketball team? Binford is doing her job and has built a solid program. Montana, Wyoming, Mars........ lets find players that can contribute!
Just to be "technically" correct those were 21 "tournament" championships including the first 6 years in the MWAC and the balance were Big Sky. There were actually a couple more regular season championships making the total regular season championships at 23 (I think I counted right).BobcatDel wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:52 pmCatlady wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:46 pmIs this even a debate? I think the key is to win championships! I don’t care if the players are from Venus! I know it’s the off season, but can we get back to talking about putting together a winning basketball team? Binford is doing her job and has built a solid program. Montana, Wyoming, Mars........ lets find players that can contribute!
I think everyone on this board would agree that the goal is to win championships.
But I also think if you asked most Montanans they would like to see attracting the best in-state talent to a public land grant school as an expectation. That doesn't mean half the kids are in-state recruits. But I for one can't believe that we don't have a couple key player contributors on the team every year from in-state programs. I agree with other poster that UM still has the legacy and contacts over MSU in recruiting in-state.
Winning championships a concern? Well UM and Mr. Selvig won "only" 21 Big Sky championships with a pretty good core of Montana kids. So not exactly the dumbest argument for recruiting the state harder.
Once they put on the jersey, they're all Bobcats. Binford's players have represented MSU very well. I have no complaints about the people she recruits.BozoneCat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:28 pmWell, Coach Binford has been beating the Lady griz pretty regularly as of late, so I don't think there's much argument for wishing their players were at MSU.
I will never, ever, ever understand the constant obsession so many Montanans have with how many kids that play sports at their schools came from the state of Montana. Literally, I don't think anyone else in the entire country cares - they just care about wins and losses. It's really quite odd. Does anyone seriously think a coach, in this day and age where one really bad year can get you fired, would make any decision that they don't think will help their team win games?
That's exactly how I see it.BLACKnBLUEnGOLD wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:29 pmOnce they put on the jersey, they're all Bobcats. Binford's players have represented MSU very well. I have no complaints about the people she recruits.BozoneCat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:28 pmWell, Coach Binford has been beating the Lady griz pretty regularly as of late, so I don't think there's much argument for wishing their players were at MSU.
I will never, ever, ever understand the constant obsession so many Montanans have with how many kids that play sports at their schools came from the state of Montana. Literally, I don't think anyone else in the entire country cares - they just care about wins and losses. It's really quite odd. Does anyone seriously think a coach, in this day and age where one really bad year can get you fired, would make any decision that they don't think will help their team win games?
BelgradeBobcat wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:50 amNot a fan of cutting a player who is a good student and not a locker room cancer. It doesn't look good. But the cold hard fact here is that Binford has recruited over some of the players on last season's roster.
We didn't get the Montana Gatorade Player of the Year. Don't know if we recruited her or if we even had a chance. But we did get the Idaho GPOY-so not too bad considering Idaho's population is a bit larger than Montana's. Also we got Kola Bad Bear coming from Billings, who likely would have been in the running for GPOY had she not been injured. We also got the top 3A player (Montana class A sized schools) in Idaho in Madison Jackson. And in 2020 we're getting Ava Ranson from Boise who will in the running (favorite?) for the Idaho GPOY for next season. Also for 2020 Binford has signed two 6'3" forwards, both of whom, have range beyond the three point line.
This program is on it's way to some really promising seasons.
Interesting choice of words... "obsession". I guess some would call it civic pride, hometown pride, state pride, country pride (ex. olympics wanting to see an American kid do well). It might be more prevalent than you think. It isn't just Montana and Utah. I went to the Kansas State vs. Kansas game last year in Manhattan and sitting with the KSU fans they certainly knew that their all-world offensive lineman and the leading rusher in the Big-12 (who won the game for them) were Kansas boys. Occasionally when traveling home in the fall I will stop to see friends in Nebraska and watch a game with them and invariably you will hear a comment something like "yeah he's from up the road here near Carney, a good old corn-fed Nebraska farm kid". When I lived in Louisiana they worked hard to ensure all the "little tigers" grew and wanted to be LSU Tigers, also see the following reply to Aucat about Alabama.BozoneCat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:28 pmWell, Coach Binford has been beating the Lady griz pretty regularly as of late, so I don't think there's much argument for wishing their players were at MSU.
I will never, ever, ever understand the constant obsession so many Montanans have with how many kids that play sports at their schools came from the state of Montana. Literally, I don't think anyone else in the entire country cares - they just care about wins and losses. It's really quite odd. Does anyone seriously think a coach, in this day and age where one really bad year can get you fired, would make any decision that they don't think will help their team win games?
Aucat…. Do you really want to stand by your comment on Alabama? Really…. Truly….ZERO Alabama kids? Do you expect us to believe that? Have you ever heard Choate say “win the state” in recruiting. Read on for an Alabama take.aucat wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:28 pmWhen Bear Bryant was coaching at Alabama winning NCs, almost every player on his roster was from the state of Alabama. This year's Alabama team that played for the NC had ZERO starters from the state of Alabama. ZERO out of 22 starting positions.
And not one single UA fan gives a crap as long as they are wearing the red jersey.
I feel the same way about MSU. If there is an outstanding player in state, go try to get them. But heck, just get good players no matter where they are from. The bigger your recruiting net, the better players you will get. That's a no brainer.
I really think Bad Bear is going to be a good player, and she's a MT kid.
I kind of think we're talking about two slightly different things, albeit certainly related.BobcatDel wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:05 pmInteresting choice of words... "obsession". I guess some would call it civic pride, hometown pride, state pride, country pride (ex. olympics wanting to see an American kid do well). It might be more prevalent than you think. It isn't just Montana and Utah. I went to the Kansas State vs. Kansas game last year in Manhattan and sitting with the KSU fans they certainly knew that their all-world offensive lineman and the leading rusher in the Big-12 (who won the game for them) were Kansas boys. Occasionally when traveling home in the fall I will stop to see friends in Nebraska and watch a game with them and invariably you will hear a comment something like "yeah he's from up the road here near Carney, a good old corn-fed Nebraska farm kid". When I lived in Louisiana they worked hard to ensure all the "little tigers" grew and wanted to be LSU Tigers, also see the following reply to Aucat about Alabama.BozoneCat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:28 pmWell, Coach Binford has been beating the Lady griz pretty regularly as of late, so I don't think there's much argument for wishing their players were at MSU.
I will never, ever, ever understand the constant obsession so many Montanans have with how many kids that play sports at their schools came from the state of Montana. Literally, I don't think anyone else in the entire country cares - they just care about wins and losses. It's really quite odd. Does anyone seriously think a coach, in this day and age where one really bad year can get you fired, would make any decision that they don't think will help their team win games?
But I get it. Not everyone shares that feeling... and thats OK.
And I bet we will never see Binford get on the local news and tell everyone she will stop recruiting the state. That could be a career limiting move... but thats just my opinion.
The in-state versus out-of-state debate is timeless so accept it. There are few if any Cat fans that believe that any Cat team should be exclusively all in-state kids. However, there seems to be a significant number of Cat fans that have no issue with our teams being predominately or entirely made up of out-of-state kids. A Montana State team should have a healthy representation of in-state athletes for the reason that BobcatDel posted today and is:Catlady wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:46 pmIs this even a debate? I think the key is to win championships! I don’t care if the players are from Venus! I know it’s the off season, but can we get back to talking about putting together a winning basketball team? Binford is doing her job and has built a solid program. Montana, Wyoming, Mars........ lets find players that can contribute!