Coach Huse

mr leslie · Post by **mr leslie** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:52 pm

I looked at the Athletic website and coach Huse's bio to see what his record as a head coach is at MSU. It gives plenty of data before arriving in Bozeman, but I saw nothing about his MSU record. Anyone have this handy? How about Mick's last 3 or 4 years? Not trying to start anything here, just want to see if there is progress. I don't follow the Bball team all that closely.

SkyRider · Post by **SkyRider** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:09 pm

StatSheet is a pretty good source of information.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/montana-state/coaches" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Or just go to : http://fightingbobcats.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ilovethecats · Post by **ilovethecats** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:34 pm

durham's last 5 season here......39-31.....2 seasons with a record less than .500

huse's six seasons to date.....45-51.....4 seasons with a record less than .500

to be clear, durham was working with a 14 game conference schedule and huse has had 16 game schedules. not that that changes wins and losses any but seems worth mentioning. just find it funny that we forced mick out after going 16-12 his last two years and then go 15-17 the next two seasons.

John K · Post by **John K** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:12 am

ilovethecats wrote:durham's last 5 season here......39-31.....2 seasons with a record less than .500

huse's six seasons to date.....45-51.....4 seasons with a record less than .500

to be clear, durham was working with a 14 game conference schedule and huse has had 16 game schedules. not that that changes wins and losses any but seems worth mentioning. just find it funny that we forced mick out after going 16-12 his last two years and then go 15-17 the next two seasons.

Another noteworty stat is that UM will be playing in the BSC title game for the 3rd straight season tonight. We have played in only 3 title games in the past 24 seasons. Unfortunately I just don't see Fields making a change until Huse's contract is done.

The Butcher · Post by **The Butcher** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:33 am

When is Huse’s contract up?

I hope we never settle for mediocrity in football like we do in basketball…

John K · Post by **John K** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:39 am

The Butcher wrote:When is Huse’s contract up?

I hope we never settle for mediocrity in football like we do in basketball…

I'm not sure if he has just 1 year left now, or maybe still 2 years.

CatfaninGA · Post by **CatfaninGA** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:29 pm

His buyout can't be that big, make the big move MSU and cut ties quickly.

John K · Post by **John K** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:38 pm

CatfaninGA wrote:His buyout can't be that big, make the big move MSU and cut ties quickly.

I agree. The longer they wait to make a change, the more difficult the rebuilding process will be for a new coach.

CatfaninGA · Post by **CatfaninGA** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:45 am

Maybe Fields is happy with a crappy coaching job on the court? Something tells me that our new President Cruzado might make something happen or light a fire somewhere.

Coach Hue has had a whopping 1 season over .500 ball in 6 years and that was a stellar year of 15-14.

After 6 years and 20 games under .500 as my overall record I would think coach comes to the office everyday awaiting a knock at his door.

Thoughts?

Per Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Huse

rvcat · Post by **rvcat** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:57 am

Can MSU afford not to buy out contract?

dwainegf · Post by **dwainegf** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:24 am

I'm trying to understand the dynamics of basketball at MSU. To be honest we haven't had a stellar basketball program. There are excetions, the late 80's and then the early 90's. I think those can be attributed to players rather than coaches. There are 2 consistantly good programs in the Big Sky, Montana and Weber State. We need to find a way to copy those programs' success. I sometimes feel that the coaches don't understand how to make this happen. I hear them say things like teams above our level and higher programs. That tells the players that they can't win. We need someone who makes the players believe that they can and should win. There are plenty of "Mid-Major" programs that have consistant success. It is time the Bobcats try to get to that kind of level.
The football program went from being really good to being really bad back to being really good again. The basketball team has been mediocre. I'd rather have the rollercoaster ride over mediocraty.

John K · Post by **John K** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:15 am

CatfaninGA wrote:Maybe Fields is happy with a crappy coaching job on the court? Something tells me that our new President Cruzado might make something happen or light a fire somewhere.

Coach Hue has had a whopping 1 season over .500 ball in 6 years and that was a stellar year of 15-14.

After 6 years and 20 games under .500 as my overall record I would think coach comes to the office everyday awaiting a knock at his door.

Thoughts?

Per Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Huse

Durham was essentially forced out because he didn't produce acceptable results during the last few years that he was on the job, and Huse hasn't even done as well as Durham. The program has actually regressed slightly since Huse took over. Durham won a BSC championship in his 6th year, and in Huse's 6 years we haven't even come close to a regular season title. I know we went to the tourney championship game in 2009, but that was a fluke, since we finished 6th in the regular season and lost our last 5 games. Durham's 1996 team was a legitimate champion, winning both the regular season title as well as the tourney.

Fields only has to look 140 miles to the east to see how fast a program can be turned around under the right coach. If Huse hasn't been able to get it done in 6 years on the job, the odds that he'll ever get it done are almost zero. Some MSU fans are optimistic about some of the young players that we'll have back next year, but the program has a history of high turnover under Huse, so who knows how many of them will actually be back next season. Plus, if he was any good at developing young talent, we should have improved during the course of this season, and obviously that was not the case. So why should we expect that the players who are back next year will be dramatically improved? In fact that's one of my biggest knocks on Huse, is that even his 4-year players (and there's not been many) don't seem to improve during the course of their careers. Most of them are little or no better as juniors and seniors, than they were as freshmen and sophomores.

ImagineSanta · Post by **ImagineSanta** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:08 am

rvcat wrote:Can MSU afford not to buy out contract?

CatfaninGA wrote:His buyout can't be that big, make the big move MSU and cut ties quickly.

Huse might not even have a buyout clause in his contract, but I assume he would. Seeing that next year is his last year of his contract, if I was Fields, I would let him finish out next year to either A)See if things change or B)Let him play out his contract. MSU isn't exactly hemorrhaging cash but firing him now would make Fields have to pay the last year of his contract PLUS pay the new coach at the same time; not exactly a great situation. Even though the majority, I included, are tired of the mediocrity of our basketball team, firing Huse doesn't make sense right now unless there is a coach out there that we can get that could infuse some new blood in a la Wazzu with Wulff and Leach.

ilovethecats · Post by **ilovethecats** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:11 pm

ImagineSanta wrote:
rvcat wrote:Can MSU afford not to buy out contract?

CatfaninGA wrote:His buyout can't be that big, make the big move MSU and cut ties quickly.
Huse might not even have a buyout clause in his contract, but I assume he would. Seeing that next year is his last year of his contract, if I was Fields, I would let him finish out next year to either A)See if things change or B)Let him play out his contract. MSU isn't exactly hemorrhaging cash but firing him now would make Fields have to pay the last year of his contract PLUS pay the new coach at the same time; not exactly a great situation. Even though the majority, I included, are tired of the mediocrity of our basketball team, firing Huse doesn't make sense right now unless there is a coach out there that we can get that could infuse some new blood in a la Wazzu with Wulff and Leach.

i tend to agree with this. i'm as annoyed as everyone about the state of our program....but i just don't see the benefit of letting huse go now. surely he has to know he's on the hot seat big time. maybe he'll take a hard look at himself and realize that many of his methods just aren't working. sometimes people really step up when their back is against the wall. i think as a university we'd be better off honoring his contract, and setting some pretty lofty goals for next season. if he fails to reach these goals....we start a search immidiately and bring in new blood and go from there....only paying one basketball coach.

John K · Post by **John K** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:38 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
ImagineSanta wrote:
rvcat wrote:Can MSU afford not to buy out contract?

CatfaninGA wrote:His buyout can't be that big, make the big move MSU and cut ties quickly.
Huse might not even have a buyout clause in his contract, but I assume he would. Seeing that next year is his last year of his contract, if I was Fields, I would let him finish out next year to either A)See if things change or B)Let him play out his contract. MSU isn't exactly hemorrhaging cash but firing him now would make Fields have to pay the last year of his contract PLUS pay the new coach at the same time; not exactly a great situation. Even though the majority, I included, are tired of the mediocrity of our basketball team, firing Huse doesn't make sense right now unless there is a coach out there that we can get that could infuse some new blood in a la Wazzu with Wulff and Leach.
i tend to agree with this. i'm as annoyed as everyone about the state of our program....but i just don't see the benefit of letting huse go now. surely he has to know he's on the hot seat big time. maybe he'll take a hard look at himself and realize that many of his methods just aren't working. sometimes people really step up when their back is against the wall. i think as a university we'd be better off honoring his contract, and setting some pretty lofty goals for next season. if he fails to reach these goals....we start a search immidiately and bring in new blood and go from there....only paying one basketball coach.

Yeah, and what if we do at least slightly better next season...good enough for Fields to decide that Huse deserves another 3-year contract? Would one (relatively) good season, out of seven, be enough to convince you that he is a good long-tern solution? It's going to be that much harder to fire him, if he has the best record of his career next year...keeping in mind that the best record of his career would be worse than the worst record of Tinkle's career. Durham was able to hang on to his job through a bunch of Huse-esque seasons, mainly because he had a few good years during the middle of his tenure at MSU. If the team shows even modest improvement next season, we may end up having Huse for another 3 years after that. In your gut, do you feel that would be good for the program, versus making a change now?

ilovethecats · Post by **ilovethecats** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:05 pm

well i think the lofty goals i mentioned would have to be much better than slightly better next season. i think they need to sit down and make it crystal clear what their expectations are. if he can't get the job done....try someone else. keep in mind, i thought he should have been done last season. but they kept him around for another mediocre season. at this point i just don't see the point in paying two coaches at the same time.

i'd say they need to tell him he needs to win 19+ games next year, and win a game in the tourney. if he were able to pull THAT rabbit out of his hat, i'd be confident that he could win in this league. but so far he hasn't come close.

ImagineSanta · Post by **ImagineSanta** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:11 pm

You can't assume Fields is thinking about firing Huse now anyways.
MSU doesn't have the cash to fire Huse, pay him, and hire someone else. This is a pretty simple decision and I would be beyond shocked if he was fired. He has a year to turn it around, and if not, I can't imagine his contract being renewed.

John K · Post by **John K** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:44 pm

ilovethecats wrote:well i think the lofty goals i mentioned would have to be much better than slightly better next season. i think they need to sit down and make it crystal clear what their expectations are. if he can't get the job done....try someone else. keep in mind, i thought he should have been done last season. but they kept him around for another mediocre season. at this point i just don't see the point in paying two coaches at the same time.

i'd say they need to tell him he needs to win 19+ games next year, and win a game in the tourney. if he were able to pull THAT rabbit out of his hat, i'd be confident that he could win in this league. but so far he hasn't come close.

OK, just for the sake of argument, let's say that MSU meets your ambitious goals for next season (which seems highly unlikely, but bear with me). Even if we did that well, would you suddenly feel confident that Huse is "the guy", and should be rewarded with another 3-year contract? I'm not sure that producing 1 good season out of 7 years on the job would change my opinion of him that much. Durham had 3-4 good years during the middle of his tenure, surrounded by 12-13 years of mediocrity. I don't want to go through that same sort of cycle again with Huse. If you look at the history of almost any sport, at almost any level, you won't find very many instances of a coach producing sub-par results for 6 years, and then suddenly "figuring it out" and building a great program at some point after that. Of course, that's partially due to the fact that practically no other colleges are as patient with their coaches as MSU (Jerome Sauers being one notable exception...I don't know how that guy has kept his job for so many years). At most other schools, Huse would have been gone a couple of years ago.

If he signed his contract in 2010, that means he was coming off his 2 most successful seasons (by MSU's modest standards). In 2009 we lucked out and went to the title game as a #6 seed, and in 2010 we finished 3rd in the regular season although we once again flamed out in the tourney, losing at home to #6 seed PSU in the 1st round. Apparently those 2 seasons gave Fields reason to believe that we were headed in the right direction, and thus he rewarded Huse with a 3-year contract. But of course we've regressed again in the 2 seasons since then. I'm just afraid that we may repeat that pattern...i.e. do well enough next year to get him another 3 years, followed by more mediocrity.

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:52 pm

John K wrote:
ilovethecats wrote:well i think the lofty goals i mentioned would have to be much better than slightly better next season. i think they need to sit down and make it crystal clear what their expectations are. if he can't get the job done....try someone else. keep in mind, i thought he should have been done last season. but they kept him around for another mediocre season. at this point i just don't see the point in paying two coaches at the same time.

i'd say they need to tell him he needs to win 19+ games next year, and win a game in the tourney. if he were able to pull THAT rabbit out of his hat, i'd be confident that he could win in this league. but so far he hasn't come close.

OK, just for the sake of argument, let's say that MSU meets your ambitious goals for next season (which seems highly unlikely, but bear with me). Even if we did that well, would you suddenly feel confident that Huse is "the guy", and should be rewarded with another 3-year contract? I'm not sure that producing 1 good season out of 7 years on the job would change my opinion of him that much. Durham had 3-4 good years during the middle of his tenure, surrounded by 12-13 years of mediocrity. I don't want to go through that same sort of cycle again with Huse. If you look at the history of almost any sport, at almost any level, you won't find very many instances of a coach producing sub-par results for 6 years, and then suddenly "figuring it out" and building a great program at some point after that. Of course, that's partially due to the fact that practically no other colleges are as patient with their coaches as MSU (Jerome Sauers being one notable exception...I don't know how that guy has kept his job for so many years). At most other schools, Huse would have been gone a couple of years ago.

If Huse has a big season next year, I think he's awarded with a one year contract and simliar expectations for the next couple years before another 3-year contract is even considered.

ilovethecats · Post by **ilovethecats** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:01 pm

im not sure i'd be sold on him per se. and i don't know how contracts work in this league either. but if a coach wins almost 20 games or even more, you don't get rid of them. especially in a league like this. i'm with you....based on results i think huse should have been done 2 seasons ag and at the very least, last year. but they kept him and are moving forward. now he has a year on his contract so i say you ride it out.

fwiw, i don't see him reaching these goals either. that's why i would set them so hi. you need much more than a lucky season to win 20 games in a year. clearly whatever he is doing right now isn't working. there are mumblings that he's not fun to play for at all. i've heard players fear him more than respect him. and he's proven to be a terrible recruiter. but i could see some of those issues going away when you know that your back is against the wall and you're expected to win games. if it doesn't work, ow well. it's one more season before we move on and we'll have more money to spend because we didn't waste it paying two coaches. we're nearing 20 years since we last made the tourney, so i'm not going to lose sleep if we miss out one more year because we honored a contract and didn't want to pay two basketball coaches at once.

so no. i wouldn't think that magically after one year he would be the next coach k. but i also know that winning 20 games ins't a fluke...

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