Coach Huse

[Cat Grad]

...and dumb doesn't "deserve" anything from us. Fact. FTG. We've been drug down to mediocrity at best.

[John K]

Then it never ends. Even if you win a Super Bowl, you're still not perfect because you'd didn't go undefeated or it was only one and not 2-3-4 in a row.
MSU football is as good as a FCS program can get. There's a lot of parity once you get down to the final eight teams every year. All of them have weaknesses and only one team can win it all. Usually the team that wins it all has a loss or two during the year. More often than not you can point to a few plays that had they gone the other way that team probably would've lost. NDSU got an INT return to set up one score and fake punt set up the other score. That's not to take away from NDSU they deserved to win the championship, but if SHSU, GSU, MSU, UM or anyone else won, they'd be just as deserving.

I'm not saying that we have to go undefeated and win the NC every season, in order for the program to get a 50/50. But we haven't yet proven that we're a consistent, legitimate National Championship contender, and that's what it would take for me to give the program a perfect score. UM deserves very close to a 50/50 in my opinion, because it would be difficult to do much better than they have, over the past 15-20 years. I look at it this way though. I consider the current era of MSU football to have begun with the hiring of Kramer in 2000. In those 12 seasons we've won at least a share of 5 BSC titles, earned 5 playoff berths, won 2 playoff games, and made the national quarterfinals twice. We've also expanded/improved our stadium, our attendance has more than doubled, and we've dramatically improved revenue through things like the Triangle Classic and the Quarterback Clubs. We've also made great strides in terms of our APR performance, and have mostly eliminated the negative off the field issues. That's pretty damn good...no one would argue that it's not. But we've gone only 4-8 against UM, we haven't been very competitive in the biggest games late in the season, and we've never once advanced even as far as the national semifinals. Again, based upon that, I think the FB program is very deserving of an A (45/50), but I don't think it merits a perfect score. It's not like an A is chopped liver after all...I'm certainly not saying that the program is terrible, or even barely above average. An A is pretty good. Geez...are you one of those guys who graduated with a 4.0 or something?

I understand this is a basketball thread Since it's so far off base as far as the title of the thread, ponder this: What if we played that other place during the early "rivalry" part of the season again? You know, the third or fourth game of the season? Historically, we know what our record is when we got that bunch of arsewipes out of the way before we had to concentrate on teams like boise state, idao, hawaii,...

Are you suggesting that we should play UM earlier in the season, because we did better against them "back in the day", when Cat-Griz was not the final game of the season? If that was your point, I think that's merely a coincidence. We used to beat them regularly because we consistently had the better program back then, not because the game was played earlier in the season. And it was never the 3rd or 4th game. Even then, it was always played towards the end of the season, usually the last weekend in October, with only a couple of games remaining afterwards. We had still played most of our other conference games before facing UM, including BSU and UI most seasons (and we've played Hawaii one time in the last 65 years so I'm not sure why you even mentioned them). Again, I don't think the timing of the game has had anything to do with our success (or lack thereof) against UM over the years.

[John K]

...and dumb doesn't "deserve" anything from us. Fact. FTG. We've been drug down to mediocrity at best.

What??...I don't even know what you're talking about??

[Bleedinbluengold]

Just ask youselves: Would you renew Fields' contract on July 1?

[Bleedinbluengold]

...and dumb doesn't "deserve" anything from us. Fact. FTG. We've been drug down to mediocrity at best.

What??...I don't even know what you're talking about??

Cat Grad has had some whiskey me thinks.

[bobcathpdevil56]

Just ask youselves: Would you renew Fields' contract on July 1?

Nope. See ya. Thanks for hiring ash and binford. Don't let the door hit you

[wbtfg]

Just ask youselves: Would you renew Fields' contract on July 1?

2 years ago I would have said no. Now I say definitely.

[John K]

Just ask youselves: Would you renew Fields' contract on July 1?

2 years ago I would have said no. Now I say definitely.

Why...what has changed in the past 2 years? I know the football stadium has been expanded and improved, but again, I don't see why Fields should get much credit for that. If Cruzado hadn't been hired, who knows how long we would have had to wait for that to happen.

[ImagineSanta]

Just ask youselves: Would you renew Fields' contract on July 1?

2 years ago I would have said no. Now I say definitely.

Why...what has changed in the past 2 years? I know the football stadium has been expanded and improved, but again, I don't see why Fields should get much credit for that. If Cruzado hadn't been hired, who knows how long we would have had to wait for that to happen.

What hasn't he done? Hindsight is 20/20...

[wbtfg]

Just ask youselves: Would you renew Fields' contract on July 1?

2 years ago I would have said no. Now I say definitely.

Why...what has changed in the past 2 years? I know the football stadium has been expanded and improved, but again, I don't see why Fields should get much credit for that. If Cruzado hadn't been hired, who knows how long we would have had to wait for that to happen.

What has he done to deserve to be fired?

I agree that Cruzado deserves much of the credit for the stadium rennovation, however much of the funding was already in place due to the infamous "quiet phase". In fact, I think Peter wanted to get this done for quite a while, but the obstacle standing in the way was Geoff Gamble. Gamble was committed to not doing any building projects without have 100% of the money in place...no loans.

Cruzado came in and said if you can raise $5 million, we'll loan you the other $5 mil. If Gamble was still here we'd still be at least $4 million away from a rennovation.

[[cat_bracket]]

Wasn't it $4 million from the fans and the school will chip in $4 million and then the fans came up with another $2 million. I hate to seet our fans get short changed.

[wbtfg]

Wasn't it $4 million from the fans and the school will chip in $4 million and then the fans came up with another $2 million. I hate to seet our fans get short changed.

Yeah...my bad. I was thinking the $10mil was half and half, but forgot the last two million was all private. Thanks for keeping me honest.

[Bleedinbluengold]

Just ask youselves: Would you renew Fields' contract on July 1?

2 years ago I would have said no. Now I say definitely.

Why...what has changed in the past 2 years? I know the football stadium has been expanded and improved, but again, I don't see why Fields should get much credit for that. If Cruzado hadn't been hired, who knows how long we would have had to wait for that to happen.

What has he done to deserve to be fired?

I agree that Cruzado deserves much of the credit for the stadium rennovation, however much of the funding was already in place due to the infamous "quiet phase". In fact, I think Peter wanted to get this done for quite a while, but the obstacle standing in the way was Geoff Gamble. Gamble was committed to not doing any building projects without have 100% of the money in place...no loans.

Cruzado came in and said if you can raise $5 million, we'll loan you the other $5 mil. If Gamble was still here we'd still be at least $4 million away from a rennovation.

Women's hoops is better. FB is marginally better. All the other programs are in a tailspin and struggle to field competitive teams. That's my main reason. He's the master of covering his own a$$. Never really doing anything that would embarrass MSU, but never really doing anything to lift it up to a greater level. We're slogging through the mud, and he's the main reason in my opinion.

[defensivearts]

Shouldn't being a good PR man and getting people to feel good about and invest in the program be a requisite for any AD? I have never met an AD with less personality than MSU's. I know that this is not a personality contest, and that MSU's AD must have good organizational skills. However, the people skills handicap directly impacts the support and money bestowed on the MSU athletic programs. However, this being MSU, short of a drug or sex crime, tied directly to the irresponsibility of the AD, he will remain as long as he wants. I would be shocked if his contract were not reviewed July 1.

[wbtfg]

Shouldn't being a good PR man and getting people to feel good about and invest in the program be a requisite for any AD? I have never met an AD with less personality than MSU's. I know that this is not a personality contest, and that MSU's AD must have good organizational skills. However, the people skills handicap directly impacts the support and money bestowed on the MSU athletic programs. However, this being MSU, short of a drug or sex crime, tied directly to the irresponsibility of the AD, he will remain as long as he wants. I would be shocked if his contract were not reviewed July 1.

I don't necessarily disagree, however aren't booster dollars and corporate donations at an all time high?

[gtapp]

I believe that PF has done exactly what he was asked to do. If you don't like the results then you should direct your frustration at Gamble. I am sure Cruzado will give PF different goals and we will have to see how he does against these. I can't imagine how hard that job is. You can NEVER please everyone and you think we have a lot of arm chair coaches on this site just think about the number of arm chair AD's!

We all thought the Huse hire was a GREAT hire. So we praised PF for that hire. Now it is not working out so well and we blame him. Yes, I agree it is time to move on but it is probably hard to find good basketball coaches at this level. At least give him credit for being loyal!

[grizzh8r]

I believe that PF has done exactly what he was asked to do. If you don't like the results then you should direct your frustration at Gamble. I am sure Cruzado will give PF different goals and we will have to see how he does against these. I can't imagine how hard that job is. You can NEVER please everyone and you think we have a lot of arm chair coaches on this site just think about the number of arm chair AD's!

We all thought the Huse hire was a GREAT hire. So we praised PF for that hire. Now it is not working out so well and we blame him. Yes, I agree it is time to move on but it is probably hard to find good basketball coaches at this level. At least give him credit for being loyal!

Hard to find coaches at this level? I disagree. UM's done it (Tinkle, Krystowiak), as have PSU (Ken Bone, now at Washington State), UNC (Tad Boyle, now at Colorado), WSU (Randy Rahe), and ISU would be crazy to not ask their interim coach back. Who is the last MSU coach to move up to a bigger program? I'm only 28, so I've only known Durham and Huse as MBB coaches so I honestly don't know. Was it Starner?

[mr leslie]

Just ask youselves: Would you renew Fields' contract on July 1?

2 years ago I would have said no. Now I say definitely.

Why...what has changed in the past 2 years? I know the football stadium has been expanded and improved, but again, I don't see why Fields should get much credit for that. If Cruzado hadn't been hired, who knows how long we would have had to wait for that to happen.

What has he done to deserve to be fired?

I agree that Cruzado deserves much of the credit for the stadium rennovation, however much of the funding was already in place due to the infamous "quiet phase". In fact, I think Peter wanted to get this done for quite a while, but the obstacle standing in the way was Geoff Gamble. Gamble was committed to not doing any building projects without have 100% of the money in place...no loans.

Cruzado came in and said if you can raise $5 million, we'll loan you the other $5 mil. If Gamble was still here we'd still be at least $4 million away from a rennovation.

Women's hoops is better. FB is marginally better. All the other programs are in a tailspin and struggle to field competitive teams. That's my main reason. He's the master of covering his own a$$. Never really doing anything that would embarrass MSU, but never really doing anything to lift it up to a greater level. We're slogging through the mud, and he's the main reason in my opinion.

Football is "marginally better" if the margins are a thousand miles wide. I can't think of one single phase of our football program that isn't better than before.

[Bleedinbluengold]

Just ask youselves: Would you renew Fields' contract on July 1?

2 years ago I would have said no. Now I say definitely.

Why...what has changed in the past 2 years? I know the football stadium has been expanded and improved, but again, I don't see why Fields should get much credit for that. If Cruzado hadn't been hired, who knows how long we would have had to wait for that to happen.

What has he done to deserve to be fired?

I agree that Cruzado deserves much of the credit for the stadium rennovation, however much of the funding was already in place due to the infamous "quiet phase". In fact, I think Peter wanted to get this done for quite a while, but the obstacle standing in the way was Geoff Gamble. Gamble was committed to not doing any building projects without have 100% of the money in place...no loans.

Cruzado came in and said if you can raise $5 million, we'll loan you the other $5 mil. If Gamble was still here we'd still be at least $4 million away from a rennovation.

Women's hoops is better. FB is marginally better. All the other programs are in a tailspin and struggle to field competitive teams. That's my main reason. He's the master of covering his own a$$. Never really doing anything that would embarrass MSU, but never really doing anything to lift it up to a greater level. We're slogging through the mud, and he's the main reason in my opinion.

Football is "marginally better" if the margins are a thousand miles wide. I can't think of one single phase of our football program that isn't better than before.

Really? So maybe Ash-coached teams have racked up a bunch more wins versus the griz, conference championships and playoff wins than I thought. I agree that the program is better...just don't agree with the "thousands" of times better.

[Bleedinbluengold]

I believe that PF has done exactly what he was asked to do. If you don't like the results then you should direct your frustration at Gamble. I am sure Cruzado will give PF different goals and we will have to see how he does against these. I can't imagine how hard that job is. You can NEVER please everyone and you think we have a lot of arm chair coaches on this site just think about the number of arm chair AD's!

We all thought the Huse hire was a GREAT hire. So we praised PF for that hire. Now it is not working out so well and we blame him. Yes, I agree it is time to move on but it is probably hard to find good basketball coaches at this level. At least give him credit for being loyal!

You are exactly right about why Fields was hired. He's done what was asked of him, and now it's time for him to move on.