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Re: BSC tourney WBB MSU v EWU

Post by CARDIAC_CATS » Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:38 pm

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TrueCat wrote:Is it time to start questioning if Trish is the right person for the job, much like Huse?
She hasn't gotten us to the promised land, but she made it to the title game a couple of years ago. She also beat the griz in the Big Sky tourney last year, and she beat the griz this year and had a winning record.
Yeah she is a good coach and we have been very competitive the last few years. I think we just need to get a few things cleaned up and some more quick outside shooters to open up the middle. Wasn't Binford known for her up tempo style when she first came in to the Cats? It seems like we are less of a fast break type team anymore. I am not saying that is bad, but I just thought she was more up tempo style coach. It is nice when you can get out and get those easy baskets on the break. It seemed like we ran a lot more half court style offense this year, but that could be due to the type of players we currently have on our team (Samanski definately good inside).



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Re: BSC tourney WBB MSU v EWU

Post by oedipuss » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:20 pm

The thought of getting rid of Coach Binford is ridiculous. The Big Sky is rated the 16th strongest conference in women's BB out of 32. The top four teams are all at or in the top 100 RPI. MSU has been in the top 100 multiple times during the season and beat teams from the Mountain West, WAC, ACC, and Ohio Valley. Beyond that, three freshman played a majority of minutes most nights. The reason for the inconsistency was the youth in the back court - not the lack of talent or coaching. This team could be something special as they mature together.



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Re: BSC tourney WBB MSU v EWU

Post by TrueCat » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:25 pm

She finished the season 3 - 7 and their last win against an above .500 team was in January.

I don't think either one should be let go, but it seems that many give Binford the benefit of the doubt over Huse. Their performance is not all that different, at least as I see it.



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Re: BSC tourney WBB MSU v EWU

Post by allcat » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:35 pm

TrueCat wrote:She finished the season 3 - 7 and their last win against an above .500 team was in January.

I don't think either one should be let go, but it seems that many give Binford the benefit of the doubt over Huse. Their performance is not all that different, at least as I see it.
I personally see the WBB in a much bettter light since she showed up. With Huse I really feel that we are worse off than we were before.


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Re: BSC tourney WBB MSU v EWU

Post by 4everacatfan » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:37 pm

I have to agree with most of what is said, think about the youth of this team. By the time the second half of conference started they had played over 20 games that is what most of these freshmen had played for an entire season the year before in High School. The travel and the experience was not there this year. I also have to say that a lot of teams in the the Big Sky figured the lady Cats out the second half; pack it in play zone and make them beat you from the outside. On that I think it falls on trish and her staff to develop an offense to get shots these players can hit. Semansky did see a lot more doubling down on her too but I do not think she was as quick this year to the glass as she was the past three years she has always scored a majority of her points off of her rebounding and quickness and I did not see that this year.

I agree that Stockton will be an excellent point guard for this team I have watched her for a lot of years here in Spokane and know that once she assumes that role watch out she will become the floor general they were lacking this year. I think they all need to get back in the gym this spring and get back to working on the fundamentals of their shots if Callie Durham sees herself as the premier outside threat she better spend a lot of time working on that shot this summer right now from what i saw in Missoula and in Cheney earlier this year none of the lady Cats can create their own shots.

Looking forward to good things to come.

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Re: BSC tourney WBB MSU v EWU

Post by 4everacatfan » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:43 pm

TrueCat wrote:She finished the season 3 - 7 and their last win against an above .500 team was in January.

I don't think either one should be let go, but it seems that many give Binford the benefit of the doubt over Huse. Their performance is not all that different, at least as I see it.

You make a valid point she tends to get a pass at times that Huse does not. Why is that? From listening to the MSU crowd at the game in Missoula yesterday not all is sunshine and unicorns on the womens' side as well. One question I had is why is Jackie Elliot who played a lot early on not playing much now and looked miserable on the bench yesterday.



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Re: BSC tourney WBB MSU v EWU

Post by TrueCat » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:07 pm

I have wandered a lot about how Trish selects her line up and who gets playing time. Seems that she leaves a lot of talent and energy on the bench in favor of other things.



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Post by Hawks86 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:34 pm

TrueCat wrote:I have wandered a lot about how Trish selects her line up and who gets playing time. Seems that she leaves a lot of talent and energy on the bench in favor of other things.
and others have suggested that she goes to the bench too much.


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Post by TrueCat » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:44 pm

I can see that.



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Re: BSC tourney WBB MSU v EWU

Post by John K » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:45 pm

4everacatfan wrote:
TrueCat wrote:She finished the season 3 - 7 and their last win against an above .500 team was in January.

I don't think either one should be let go, but it seems that many give Binford the benefit of the doubt over Huse. Their performance is not all that different, at least as I see it.

You make a valid point she tends to get a pass at times that Huse does not. Why is that? From listening to the MSU crowd at the game in Missoula yesterday not all is sunshine and unicorns on the womens' side as well. One question I had is why is Jackie Elliot who played a lot early on not playing much now and looked miserable on the bench yesterday.
I agree with that to some extent, although I certainly don't think she should be fired. But much like the men's program under Huse, her teams have developed a tendency to fade during the 2nd half of conference play. This was the 3rd straight season that the women's team has had a significantly worse record the 2nd time through the BSC schedule. Aren't well coached teams supposed to get better as the season goes along? This season it was particularly drastic, starting out 8-1, and then finishing 3-9 (counting the tourney loss)...that's a pretty stunning collapse!! I've always been a big supporter of Binford, but I have to admit that I'm starting to question that allegience a little bit. We return everyone but Semanksy and Adams next year, so the future looks good on paper, but...



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Re: BSC tourney WBB MSU v EWU

Post by BelgradeBobcat » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:51 pm

Binford has only had two losing seasons (her first two here) but she inherited a dumpster fire of a program, and she has a winning record here as head coach. Huse has had one winning season and has a lopsided losing record as a head coach. Thus-I find myself a little more forgiving of the women's team at this time...though still plenty frustrated with the swoons.



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Post by MSU01 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:57 pm

In my opinion, there is absolutely no question that Binford should be retained. Either way, it really isn't a discussion at this point since she just finished the first year of a new 3-year contract that MSU gave her along with a significant pay raise (she makes more than Huse) to keep her from going to Utah State last year. This season has undoubtedly been disappointing, but unlike the mens team (with the exception of 2009) the women can frequently win a game or two in the conference tournament before going out. She has done a good job recruiting - it just seems like the pieces haven't all come together in the same year for her yet. It should also be noted that once a player gets here, she usually plays her entire career in the blue & gold - again, unlike the mens program.



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Re: BSC tourney WBB MSU v EWU

Post by John K » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:04 pm

MSU01 wrote:In my opinion, there is absolutely no question that Binford should be retained. Either way, it really isn't a discussion at this point since she just finished the first year of a new 3-year contract that MSU gave her along with a significant pay raise (she makes more than Huse) to keep her from going to Utah State last year. This season has undoubtedly been disappointing, but unlike the mens team (with the exception of 2009) the women can frequently win a game or two in the conference tournament before going out. She has done a good job recruiting - it just seems like the pieces haven't all come together in the same year for her yet. It should also be noted that once a player gets here, she usually plays her entire career in the blue & gold - again, unlike the mens program.
That's an excellent point. I was thinking about that when I commented that we returned everyone next year, except for Semansky and Adams. With the women's team, we can be reasonably certain that all of those players actually will be back. With the men's team, there's really no point in even trying to guess which players really will still be here, by the time next season begins.



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Re: BSC tourney WBB MSU v EWU

Post by DicTater » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:54 am

I have to say that I haven't watched the ladies much this year, but I am utterly baffled that the team I saw play Wed. had been 8-1 in conference. They truly looked like a bad high school team. The team had obviously, for some reason, lost confidence or focus or both. I have faith in Binford, but I just don't know what happened to the team. They were totally unrecognizable from the team that beat the Griz at Dahlberg in Jan.

I'm of the belief that Binford plays too many players. 12 girls played in the first half. It's pretty hard to get into any type of personal or team rhythm that way. I could see going that deep if the team was pressing, but they weren't. The one player who impressed me was Peyton Ferris. She played hard on both ends of the floor and took care of the ball as well as looked confident. Stockton played OK, Durham was a disaster, putting up bad shot after bad shot and getting burned on D. Semansky was triple teamed every time she got the ball and no one helped her out by cutting down the lane or moving for an open J. They just stood and watched. Of course, it wasn't like anyone was a threat from outside anyway.

Hopefully, the girls hit the gym hard and take about 1000 shots a day.



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