Buck Failey

94VegasCat · Post by **94VegasCat** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:37 pm

I am so glad that the "Big Human" has decided to stay. He mentioned that there is a bunch of work to do and some changes to be made.

Don Bailey needs to go is the biggest change that needs to be made. I am sure there are people on here that will tell me that he is much smarter than me and if I were to sit in a room with him I would be dissuaded from my beleifs. I am not a newcomer to the football world and am no dummy, nor am I an OC, but this guy will not take us to the chipper!

We have beaten this horse to death on numerous occasions and now that our HC is re-dedicated to this teams success, I say BUCK FAILEY

catgrad'06 · Post by **catgrad'06** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:41 am

seriously, get real man. Don Bailey knows what he is doing, and is a good OC. Just because some people think they know more about football because they played in High School, doesn't mean that this guy's got to go. What ever happened to standing behind your coaches instead of just talkin 'em into the ground.

bobcatmaniac · Post by **bobcatmaniac** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 8:51 am

Did you watch our last game at all?

DaCats Forever · Post by **DaCats Forever** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:49 am

What does Bailey's playcalling have to do with our line's inability to hold a block (although that WR pass was so baffling I still don't think it happened,, but one play does not define a season regardless)? Do I think Bailey is the best OC in the Big Sky? No. Do I think that he tries to air it out more rather than more ball control when we have one of the best D's in the league? Yes. Saying this, do I think that somebody different is automatically better? No. At least we know that Bailey can direct out offense and there is no guarantee that if we bring in somebody new, he will be our savior. Just my 2 cents.

BobCatFan · Post by **BobCatFan** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:28 pm

DaCats Forever wrote:What does Bailey's playcalling have to do with our line's inability to hold a block (although that WR pass was so baffling I still don't think it happened,, but one play does not define a season regardless)? Do I think Bailey is the best OC in the Big Sky? No. Do I think that he tries to air it out more rather than more ball control when we have one of the best D's in the league? Yes. Saying this, do I think that somebody different is automatically better? No. At least we know that Bailey can direct out offense and there is no guarantee that if we bring in somebody new, he will be our savior. Just my 2 cents.

If Bailey was the best OC in the Big Sky, he would be getting job offers. I have not heard one rumor. Bailey is an average OC at the Big Sky level at best. After 7 years, it is time for him to be a head coach at a lower level, or move up to D1 and be an assitant coach. Bailey's time has come and gone. Kramer, please hire a new OC and maybe your replacement when you decide to leave.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:41 pm

Where was all this talk during our 6-7 game winning streak? Lovely how the FIRE BAILEY chant starts coming up when we lose a game. We seemed to do okay against Furman and besides quarter number 1 at Appy we moved the ball better than (or just as good) as Youngstown (#5?) and Umass (#3). We don't spot them 14 points in the first quarter on mistakes and we have a VERY good shot at that game. Also, I don't know if you seen the DIV II championship game yesterday, but there was a WR option pass in that game from the same portion of the field as MSU's and HEY, they scored a TD off of it? Is there Coach/OC off their rocker? NO .. why? Because they were playing against a very good D that was overpursuing each and every play. And if your a good OC you either call a play like the WR option pass or screen/reverses. The fact is that play was the RIGHT call but did not get executed right (Jefferson even said it was his fault). If you see double coverage you TUCK the ball ... plain and simple. The Chargers use that play as well and it is a great play if it is executed correctly.

Man, we just had a very very good year, won a playoff game, get our beloved coach back and now everyone is back to harping on firing coaches!!! Lets let this team be PROUD of what they accomplished this year and try and improve on it next year!

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:04 pm

CARDIAC_CATS wrote:Where was all this talk during our 6-7 game winning streak? Lovely how the FIRE BAILEY chant starts coming up when we lose a game. We seemed to do okay against Furman and besides quarter number 1 at Appy we moved the ball better than (or just as good) as Youngstown (#5?) and Umass (#3). We don't spot them 14 points in the first quarter on mistakes and we have a VERY good shot at that game. Also, I don't know if you seen the DIV II championship game yesterday, but there was a WR option pass in that game from the same portion of the field as MSU's and HEY, they scored a TD off of it? Is there Coach/OC off their rocker? NO .. why? Because they were playing against a very good D that was overpursuing each and every play. And if your a good OC you either call a play like the WR option pass or screen/reverses. The fact is that play was the RIGHT call but did not get executed right (Jefferson even said it was his fault). If you see double coverage you TUCK the ball ... plain and simple. The Chargers use that play as well and it is a great play if it is executed correctly.

Man, we just had a very very good year, won a playoff game, get our beloved coach back and now everyone is back to harping on firing coaches!!! Lets let this team be PROUD of what they accomplished this year and try and improve on it next year!

DCC2MSU · Post by **DCC2MSU** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:14 pm

I don't really have an opinion one way or the other on Bailey, but I did and still do have a problem with that play call. They put a guy who hadn't thrown a single pass in college (I don't know about his HS career) in a situation where he had to make a read at a very key point of the game when we had all of the momentum. A triple reverse flea flicker hook and ladder also has the potential to be a great play if it works, but that doesn't make it a good play call. The key is if it works and it is up to the coach to give the play a chance to succede and I don't think they did that.

The Butcher · Post by **The Butcher** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:42 pm

I think a new OC would do a world of difference for the Cats. I think that we can do much better than Bailey, and we need to start looking for a replacement. There hasn’t ever been a rumor of Bailey leaving because no one wants him. The Cats can find someone much better than Bailey.

And Cardiac Cat, there have been a lot of people wanting Bailey replaced, but you don’t hear anyone saying it on BN because they get jumped on by the other posters. I commend Vegas Cat for stating his beliefs despite knowing that other posters would attack him.

Post by **kmax** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 3:51 pm

The Butcher wrote:And Cardiac Cat, there have been a lot of people wanting Bailey replaced, but you don’t hear anyone saying it on BN because they get jumped on by the other posters. I commend Vegas Cat for stating his beliefs despite knowing that other posters would attack him.

Oh good god, get over yourself.

It's called a dissenting position because you are going against a more popular opinion(and in the case of Bailey I'm not so sure it is such a dissenting opinion even). Do you expect just because it is your opinion anyone who hadn't agreed before is suddenly going to go "Oh hey, of course what was I thinking?" Give you opinion, give evidence to support your opinion and challenge those who disagree to disprove or give better evidence to the contrary. It's called civilized debate, and everybody is not going to agree regardless so quit playing the aw poor me crap just cause everybody isn't clamoring to say you are right and they are wrong.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:21 pm

For those with strong feelings about the offensive coordinator, I would invite you to give us a more in-depth analysis of your observations in this thread:

http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatboard ... php?t=9067

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:01 am

The Butcher wrote:I think a new OC would do a world of difference for the Cats. I think that we can do much better than Bailey, and we need to start looking for a replacement. There hasn’t ever been a rumor of Bailey leaving because no one wants him. The Cats can find someone much better than Bailey.

And Cardiac Cat, there have been a lot of people wanting Bailey replaced, but you don’t hear anyone saying it on BN because they get jumped on by the other posters. I commend Vegas Cat for stating his beliefs despite knowing that other posters would attack him.

I respect all opinions on this board ... always have (unless its Griz smack). I am just stating that Bailey's name always comes up when we lose a game, not when we win 6 in a row? Why is that?

catsrback76 · Post by **catsrback76** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:11 am

CARDIAC_CATS wrote:
The Butcher wrote:I think a new OC would do a world of difference for the Cats. I think that we can do much better than Bailey, and we need to start looking for a replacement. There hasn’t ever been a rumor of Bailey leaving because no one wants him. The Cats can find someone much better than Bailey.

And Cardiac Cat, there have been a lot of people wanting Bailey replaced, but you don’t hear anyone saying it on BN because they get jumped on by the other posters. I commend Vegas Cat for stating his beliefs despite knowing that other posters would attack him.
I respect all opinions on this board ... always have (unless its Griz smack). I am just stating that Bailey's name always comes up when we lose a game, not when we win 6 in a row? Why is that?

Amen.

Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:23 am

Hey Vegas... being as this topic of conversation obviously keeps you awake at night, have you ever talked with Kramer about this?

Didnt think so, you are just a small voice hidding behind a keyboard with this topic. Quite dragging the entire BN site down with you on this subject. Grow a set of balls and confront Kramer on the matter if it frustrates you so much instead of bitching on BN. I guarantee you havent talked to Mike, or your mind set would be different on Bailey. Don is not the worlds greatest OC, but he is better than most at our level - imagine if we had Phenecie?!?!?!

If anything in regards to the offense needs to be addressed in the offseason, it is the development of our QBs (remember, not one QB on our team last year had played more than 10 minutes of college ball in their life) and the OL needs to play more consistent.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:44 am

Many assume that the Griz offense under Phenicie is worse than ours under Bailey. For the record:

2006 final stats:

_____________________Rushing________Passing________Total________Avg/game

Bobcats_______________1230__________2940__________4170________320

Griz__________________1951__________3181__________5132________366.5

Scoring:

Bobcats 261 Total pts, 20.1/game
Griz 385 Total pts, 27.5/game

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:00 am

El_Gato wrote:Many assume that the Griz offense under Phenicie is worse than ours under Bailey. For the record:

2006 final stats:

_____________________Rushing________Passing________Total________Avg/game

Bobcats_______________1230__________2940__________4170________320

Griz__________________1951__________3181__________5132________366.5

Scoring:

Bobcats 261 Total pts, 20.1/game
Griz 385 Total pts, 27.5/game

Gato,
Is this the offense's production per game? Or, is it the actual gross total; including special teams and defensive points scored? I only ask because it seems to me that this is where the Griz have made their living the past two years and not so much from production via the offense.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:26 am

The point totals are from every source, offense, defense, & special teams.

Yes, the Griz got a lot of direct points from their D & ST, as well as setting up the O in a lot of good spots to score.

BUT, IMO, that's still a wide disparity; I think we had plenty of talent on O, more than enough to average more yards and points per game. Granted, execution is still the key and IF we did indeed miss a lot of open guys, that's the fault of the players. But this offseason MUST address that if we are to go to "the summit"; Bailey and his O coaches must get Rolovich, Carpenter, and/or Rassmussen better prepared to execute the gameplan that is prepared each week. Most teams defense has SOME weakness; it's the coaches job to identify those and come up with a gameplan that attacks those areas. It then falls on the players to "take what the D gives you" and execute that gameplan. This season, our O did not have one area that allowed Bailey to just say: "We're so good at X (running, short passing, deep passing, etc.) that you can't stop us; we're just going to play to OUR strength all day". Given that, it was incumbent on him to FIND our opponents weaknesses and drill our O guys to attack them.

Look at what UMass's O did to the Griz D; screens, flares to the backs, wheel routes to the backs, and mostly straight-ahead running. Their gameplan/execution vs the Griz was vastly superior to ours, IMO. The Griz D STILL only gave up 17 pts, to their credit, but UMass dominated the game between the 20's; I still feel like we could've done similarly.

I'm not calling for Bailey's head here but I do think it's clear that the O has a ways to go if we truly expect to compete for a NC in the coming years.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:32 am

The sign of a good OC is adjusting your offense to the players that you have. I do not think we did that. We run a complicated offense that requires reads from QB and WR. As inexperienced as they were together, it took a while for them to adjust and we had very few games where the QB, 3 WR, and RB were all the same. In this case I believe a little simplification would have served us well.

WYCAT · Post by **WYCAT** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:09 pm

Cat Pride wrote:Hey Vegas... being as this topic of conversation obviously keeps you awake at night, have you ever talked with Kramer about this?

Didnt think so, you are just a small voice hidding behind a keyboard with this topic. Quite dragging the entire BN site down with you on this subject. Grow a set of balls and confront Kramer on the matter if it frustrates you so much instead of bitching on BN. I guarantee you havent talked to Mike, or your mind set would be different on Bailey. Don is not the worlds greatest OC, but he is better than most at our level - imagine if we had Phenecie?!?!?!

If anything in regards to the offense needs to be addressed in the offseason, it is the development of our QBs (remember, not one QB on our team last year had played more than 10 minutes of college ball in their life) and the OL needs to play more consistent.

You mean a forum like Bobcatnation isn't for discussing things like this Cat Pride? You don't have to agree with Vegas but bringing up our less than stellar offense is not that bad of a topic to discuss on a discussion board. I agree with what BAC tried to do which is to keep the topic on the issues and not make it a personal attack but criticizing someone for starting a thread regarding our less than impressive offensive history is not right. Look at Gato's #'s, they really tell the story. Offensively we are lacking, it is that simple.

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:19 pm

Discussing the offense may be one thing, but the title of this thread indicates an airing of a personal problem rather than a constructive discussion about the offense.