Split from pathetic

[SonomaCat]

The people I feel for, even more so than us fans and the team in general, is the African-American student athletes who do keep their noses clean, make the right choices, and are positive influences on MSU and Bozeman.

Because there are so few African-Americans in Bozeman to begin with, the number of black former and current athletes getting busted doesn't only reflect upon those who committed the crimes, but we all know that the presumption of guilt is spread to all black current and former athletes in Bozeman in the minds of many people.

And that isn't fair to those people who have done nothing wrong, but that's just a sad reality. These guys let a lot of people down with their actions -- way moreso in a place like Bozeman than if they did something equally stupid in a major urban area.

Be on the lookout for a rash of not-so-subtle coded messages about how we shouldn't recruit "urban" or "LA" players anymore. It's sad that these guys have given ammunition to those kinds of ideas.

[badasscat]

The people I feel for, even more so than us fans and the team in general, is the African-American student athletes who do keep their noses clean, make the right choices, and are positive influences on MSU and Bozeman.

Because there are so few African-Americans in Bozeman to begin with, the number of black former and current athletes getting busted doesn't only reflect upon those who committed the crimes, but we all know that the presumption of guilt is spread to all black current and former athletes in Bozeman in the minds of many people.

And that isn't fair to those people who have done nothing wrong, but that's just a sad reality. These guys let a lot of people down with their actions -- way moreso in a place like Bozeman than if they did something equally stupid in a major urban area.

Be on the lookout for a rash of not-so-subtle coded messages about how we shouldn't recruit "urban" or "LA" players anymore. It's sad that these guys have given ammunition to those kinds of ideas.

Could not have been said any better.

[Hell's Bells]

1) i think that everybody would like us to recruit more montana players but where our players are from is beyond my point and should not even be in this thread.

2) i would like to see a tighter control over players especially during the season...ex LaBlonc should have been booted from the team if his suspension was due to drugs. letting him get off being benched for only a game only contirbutes to this i can get away with anything thinking.

3) i doubt that montana is that racist anymore. i got to know only one african american outside of school and seemed to me that she was having a great time in bozeman

[BelgradeBobcat]

Be on the lookout for a rash of not-so-subtle coded messages about how we shouldn't recruit "urban" or "LA" players anymore. It's sad that these guys have given ammunition to those kinds of ideas.

Yep, I was fearing the same thing.

[DCC2MSU]

This is off topic, but did anything ever come out about the deal where the guy got beaten up at the Pita Pit? I haven't seen anything about either the guy's condition or any arrests.

[BozCatFan]

This is a bit off topic but wonder why we don't recruit more in Wyoming. They only have one big university and think they would have players with similar values as those from Montana.

[Hell's Bells]

This is off topic, but did anything ever come out about the deal where the guy got beaten up at the Pita Pit? I haven't seen anything about either the guy's condition or any arrests.

what happened to who at the pita pit

[DCC2MSU]

This is off topic, but did anything ever come out about the deal where the guy got beaten up at the Pita Pit? I haven't seen anything about either the guy's condition or any arrests.

what happened to who at the pita pit

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[SonomaCat]

This is a bit off topic but wonder why we don't recruit more in Wyoming. They only have one big university and think they would have players with similar values as those from Montana.

Because very few people live there, probably.

What are "Montana values," and which states are most and least similar?

I'll split all of this for the sake of the thread.

[BelgradeBobcat]

There is no doubt that Kramer has taken some chances with players that perhaps a coach like Hysell would not have. Sometimes it works out very well for the school and the player-like Junior Adams. Sometimes not.

Our teams under Kramer have had far more speed and athleticism than we ever did under Hysell, Solomonson, or Arnold. Those types of athletes don't always come from places like Three Forks, Whitehall, or Montana City. And with a lot of the state's top athletes (in a state with only 900,000 people) going to some other school-our coaches have a choice-take what you can from in and around Montana, or bring in guys from other places. The fact is we have a lot of guys on our team from Montana, the other fact is-a lot of those guys aren't getting most of the playing time because they've been beat out by guys from other places.

The result: 3 playoff appearances, 3 wins over the griz, 3 shared conference titles, bigger crowds at the games, more interest in the program...and some of that other stuff.

The other option: Go 4-7 most every year and feel better about ourselves?

If Idaho wants start winning again they will have to take chances on some players too. Most will probably work out-some will not.

It doesn't matter what kind of a genius a coach is. If he doesn't have talented players, he won't win.

[GOKATS]

There is no doubt that Kramer has taken some chances with players that perhaps a coach like Hysell would not have. Sometimes it works out very well for the school and the player-like Junior Adams. Sometimes not.

Our teams under Kramer have had far more speed and athleticism than we ever did under Hysell, Solomonson, or Arnold. Those types of athletes don't always come from places like Three Forks, Whitehall, or Montana City. And with a lot of the state's top athletes (in a state with only 900,000 people) going to some other school-our coaches have a choice-take what you can from in and around Montana, or bring in guys from other places. The fact is we have a lot of guys on our team from Montana, the other fact is-a lot of those guys aren't getting most of the playing time because they've been beat out by guys from other places.

The result: 3 playoff appearances, 3 wins over the griz, 3 shared conference titles, bigger crowds at the games, more interest in the program...and some of that other stuff.

The other option: Go 4-7 most every year and feel better about ourselves?

If Idaho wants start winning again they will have to take chances on some players too. Most will probably work out-some will not.

It doesn't matter what kind of a genius a coach is. If he doesn't have talented players, he won't win.

Well said.

[bobcatgrad2005]

kind of makes you wonder what happens at Texas, Alabama, Florida, Penn State, Ohio State and so on that might be getting covered up?

[CatsRback]

There is no doubt that Kramer has taken some chances with players that perhaps a coach like Hysell would not have. Sometimes it works out very well for the school and the player-like Junior Adams. Sometimes not.

Our teams under Kramer have had far more speed and athleticism than we ever did under Hysell, Solomonson, or Arnold. Those types of athletes don't always come from places like Three Forks, Whitehall, or Montana City. And with a lot of the state's top athletes (in a state with only 900,000 people) going to some other school-our coaches have a choice-take what you can from in and around Montana, or bring in guys from other places. The fact is we have a lot of guys on our team from Montana, the other fact is-a lot of those guys aren't getting most of the playing time because they've been beat out by guys from other places.

The result: 3 playoff appearances, 3 wins over the griz, 3 shared conference titles, bigger crowds at the games, more interest in the program...and some of that other stuff.

The other option: Go 4-7 most every year and feel better about ourselves?

If Idaho wants start winning again they will have to take chances on some players too. Most will probably work out-some will not.

It doesn't matter what kind of a genius a coach is. If he doesn't have talented players, he won't win.

Come on - we are a good school with a great environment. I refuse to believe we have to "settle" for the talented, but 'law-challenged' risks from other states. I have to and will believe, until someone proves me wrong that our coaching staff acted at least somewhat honorably...do any of the players accused today have previous records? Any evidence that this is the second or third time they have been in trouble? If not,

Well said.

[Cat_gld]

The people I feel for, even more so than us fans and the team in general, is the African-American student athletes who do keep their noses clean, make the right choices, and are positive influences on MSU and Bozeman.

Because there are so few African-Americans in Bozeman to begin with, the number of black former and current athletes getting busted doesn't only reflect upon those who committed the crimes, but we all know that the presumption of guilt is spread to all black current and former athletes in Bozeman in the minds of many people.

And that isn't fair to those people who have done nothing wrong, but that's just a sad reality. These guys let a lot of people down with their actions -- way moreso in a place like Bozeman than if they did something equally stupid in a major urban area.

Be on the lookout for a rash of not-so-subtle coded messages about how we shouldn't recruit "urban" or "LA" players anymore. It's sad that these guys have given ammunition to those kinds of ideas.

That is a sad reality. And such is usually uttered by those who lack the ba!!s to approach the subject more directly! Also, why should any student athlete who came to MSU for all the right reasons and plays by the rules have to pay a price for the indiscretions of a very few? But I'm sure many will be clamoring for retribution, and we'll all pay a price.

[083190]

kind of makes you wonder what happens at Texas, Alabama, Florida, Penn State, Ohio State and so on that might be getting covered up?

Montana?

[Bcat]

I agree with this post, crime does not have anything to do with race. I do believe we have to look harder at the risk/reward of out of state kids. Montana represents many opportunities to any kid that may have a tendancy to push the envelope, no matter what state they are from. Unfortunately, the fact remains, we are having greater challenges with our out of state players. Look at all the incidents over this past two years, rack and stack them, Montana incidents vs outside of the Northwest, what do the facts reflect?

[Belgrade Big Dog]

This is off topic, but did anything ever come out about the deal where the guy got beaten up at the Pita Pit? I haven't seen anything about either the guy's condition or any arrests.

I read where he is out of the hospital, living with a sister, I believe, here in Bozeman, and going through physical theropy. I believe they expect a full recovery eventually.

[GrizinWashington]

kind of makes you wonder what happens at Texas, Alabama, Florida, Penn State, Ohio State and so on that might be getting covered up?

Montana?

Geez, even in a thread like this you can't get away from the SMACK??

[Cat Grad]

kind of makes you wonder what happens at Texas, Alabama, Florida, Penn State, Ohio State and so on that might be getting covered up?

Montana?

Geez, even in a thread like this you can't get away from the SMACK??

I didn't really take that as smack but rather with our meth problems, coke bust in Great Falls last summer, wacky tobbacy and drunk driving problems more an observation that it's possibly a part of that other in our state too. You've got to admit that when the Missoula police story broke in the Missoulian about how they aren't going to view weed as a very serious offense a lot of eyes popped.

[GrizinWashington]

Perhaps I jumped to a conclusion. But since the post he quoted was dealing with other Universities and possible cover-ups, I made the assumption the "Montana" he was referring to was the University and not the entire state.