Injuries

canyoncat · Post by **canyoncat** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:05 am

How much more can this team take! Papich out 4 - 6 weeks and Bartch done for the season?

http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles ... juries.txt

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:29 am

Um, yeah... great.

Barnhart
Lewis
King
Groves
Fuller
Grant
Papich
Bartch
Matakis

and didn't we lose a couple DB's early on? I guess it's time to get the pups in and see what they can do. Are we running out of D lineman? Wonder if we go back to the 3-4.

Post by **rtb** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:47 am

catatac wrote:Are we running out of D lineman? Wonder if we go back to the 3-4.

No we are going with 4-3, the depth chart show is this week.
http://www.msubobcats.com/upload/pdf1_2 ... 378989.pdf

After this week I think the injury situation is better as long as we don't lose more guys.

Barnhart - Practicing, may see a little action this week
Lewis - Back by PSU or Sac State
King - I think he is back for NAU, but not starting
Groves - Looking really good and could be back next week?(rumor)
Papich - Out for a long Time
Force - Coming back in a few weeks

So really, other than Papich and Force I think most of those guys should be back sooner rather than later.

SenorWeezer · Post by **SenorWeezer** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:56 am

The question that comes to my mind when reviewing the number of injuries the Cats have is "Why?". Football is certainly a sport where injuries are going to happen, but why do the Bobcats have so many and at such key positions? Is it just bad luck or is it poor preparation from the weight room, trainers room, and coaches room?

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:01 am

SenorWeezer wrote:The question that comes to my mind when reviewing the number of injuries the Cats have is "Why?". Football is certainly a sport where injuries are going to happen, but why do the Bobcats have so many and at such key positions? Is it just bad luck or is it poor preparation from the weight room, trainers room, and coaches room?

Plain and simple... sh*t happens. Injuries happen in football to every team, and more often than not it is just crappy luck and happenstance. You see starters get more injuries because they get more reps in practice and all the playing time during games. I would argue that the hard work of the training staff and strength coaches keep the injury situation from being worse than it is.

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:07 am

What happened to Fuller?

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:16 am

longhorn_22 wrote:What happened to Fuller?

What do you mean? He's listed as the starter.

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:17 am

catatac wrote:Um, yeah... great.

Barnhart
Lewis
King
Groves
Fuller
Grant
Papich
Bartch
Matakis

and didn't we lose a couple DB's early on? I guess it's time to get the pups in and see what they can do. Are we running out of D lineman? Wonder if we go back to the 3-4.

Post by **rtb** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:19 am

I think that was meant to be Force.

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:19 am

rtb wrote:I think that was meant to be Force.

Ahhhh. Gotcha.

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:25 am

The reason these injuries have a greater toll this year is because we are not as deep as we thought. This is a sign of a building program, and not an elite program.

In fact, even without the injuries, certain skill players have not risen to the occasion, and are making, and continue to make, rookie mistakes.

WHEN the Cats become an elite program, rookie mistakes will be fewer and farther between.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:32 am

Great assessment of elite programs have more depth. look at Louisville, lose two heisman candidates in RB, and QB and still winning games. Thats were we need to get.

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:35 am

I think we're plenty deep, but we'll see if I'm right or wrong this Saturday. Mason (Groves), Toliver (Lewis), Hoffenbacker (Papich), Henderson (Force), Bostick (Barnhart). I think all five are capable of doing, and have done, good things and make for a not very significant drop off. We'll see on Saturday.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:38 am

crazycat wrote:I think we're plenty deep, but we'll see if I'm right or wrong this Saturday. Mason (Groves), Toliver (Lewis), Hoffenbacker (Papich), Henderson (Force), Bostick (Barnhart). I think all five are capable of doing, and have done, good things and make for a not very significant drop off. We'll see on Saturday.

Very good assesment Crazy Cat. I think we do have good depth on this team. We just need to put a whole game together on both sides and we will be cooking with GAS!

NEED TO RUN THE BALL. THAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN LACKING THE LAST 2-3 GAMES. Takes pressure off QB and Defense.

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:50 am

Bleedinbluengold wrote:The reason these injuries have a greater toll this year is because we are not as deep as we thought. This is a sign of a building program, and not an elite program.

In fact, even without the injuries, certain skill players have not risen to the occasion, and are making, and continue to make, rookie mistakes.

WHEN the Cats become an elite program, rookie mistakes will be fewer and farther between.

I disagree on the depth comment from a talent stand point. But, even these talented players are making mistakes trying to adjust to playing in real games. In other words, inexperience is hurting us, not talent (which is usually a measuring stick of depth).

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:09 am

barechestcat wrote:
Bleedinbluengold wrote:The reason these injuries have a greater toll this year is because we are not as deep as we thought. This is a sign of a building program, and not an elite program.

In fact, even without the injuries, certain skill players have not risen to the occasion, and are making, and continue to make, rookie mistakes.

WHEN the Cats become an elite program, rookie mistakes will be fewer and farther between.
I disagree on the depth comment from a talent stand point. But, even these talented players are making mistakes trying to adjust to playing in real games. In other words, inexperience is hurting us, not talent (which is usually a measuring stick of depth).

Yeah, I think it is a lot of that too. Doesn't matter if the player runs a 4.4 or not. If he reads the play wrong and is running the wrong way that speed doesn't do him any good. That is why Jr. Seau is still somewhat effective as a LB in the NFL. He has the experience/savy to know where to go at the snap of the ball etc (even though he's not near as fast/powerful as he once was). So all this in mind, we 'should' start seeing some improvement as the season goes on here.

BobcatLionFan · Post by **BobcatLionFan** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:45 pm

There are injuries every year. If you were to go back to last year, there was a period when it seems everyone on the Nation was bitching about the D (which ended up #1 in the league). During that period Mac, Mollahan, Chris K, Matakis, and a couple of Corners were out and Elliot was down for awhile. On the O side, Bass went down, Ricky I think was down for awhile, as was the other Wideout (don't remember his name). Dom was also nicked up for awhile.

During that time, Gathing was moved from RB to LB because LB was so short, Daily got his chance and made the most of it.

When you run 64 scholarships, you don't have the depth. And no matter what anyone says, walk-ons just don't perform at the same level. That tends to be why they are walk-ons. I don't know if any walk-on has started in the last couple years (other than special teams).

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:57 pm

BobcatLionFan wrote:There are injuries every year. If you were to go back to last year, there was a period when it seems everyone on the Nation was bitching about the D (which ended up #1 in the league). During that period Mac, Mollahan, Chris K, Matakis, and a couple of Corners were out and Elliot was down for awhile. On the O side, Bass went down, Ricky I think was down for awhile, as was the other Wideout (don't remember his name). Dom was also nicked up for awhile.

During that time, Gathing was moved from RB to LB because LB was so short, Daily got his chance and made the most of it.

When you run 64 scholarships, you don't have the depth. And no matter what anyone says, walk-ons just don't perform at the same level. That tends to be why they are walk-ons. I don't know if any walk-on has started in the last couple years (other than special teams).

I think anytime you have a relatively new QB and new RB (Taito), you're bound to have problems moving the ball. The defense is fine. They've had one bad quarter, but that was due a lack of resolve, i.e. their brains were fried. We need to find a way to score points against a first team defense (CSC mostly came against their twos

). I think if you give our defense a lead great things will happen.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:35 pm

rtb wrote:I think that was meant to be Force.

Yes, sorry... Force.

vike_king · Post by **vike_king** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:49 pm

Why is Force out so long with a shoulder separation? Doug Kimball used to routinely put his back into place during the game then go out and do it again.