Former Players in Trouble?

Post by **rtb** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:09 pm

My wife saw the news tonight and said there was a former MSU football player that was arrested on Saturday for beating his girlfriend. Apparently he had played previously and now was helping the team with equipment or something like that and was arrested in the locker room right before the game. If so, maybe that affected the team just a little bit!!

Also some other former athlete was on the news for being in trouble, but at that point my wife didn't pick up any more details as she didn't want to hear it.

Did anyone out there get more info than this?

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:14 pm

well rumor has it that al beye was charged with drawing checks out of his roomates checking account

Post by **rtb** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:15 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:well rumor has it that al beye was charged with drawing checks out of his roomates checking account

Yes, this was the other crime, but she didn't catch the name I don't know that it is Al Beye, but to the tune of $3600 from the checking account. He got 1 year probation and a $500 fine.

And Derrick Davis was the person who beat his girlfriend and apparently it was very violent. I am glad he is/was no longer part of the team, but it still doesn't help the image that MSU is fighting currently.

mslacat · Post by **mslacat** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:12 pm

rtb wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote:well rumor has it that al beye was charged with drawing checks out of his roomates checking account
Yes, this was the other one, she didn't catch the name, but to the tune of $3600 from the checking account. He got 1 year probation and a $500 fine.

And Derrick Davis was the person who beat his girlfriend and apparently it was very violent. I am glad he is/was no longer part of the team, but it still doesn't help the image that MSU is fighting currently.

I am really getting sick of this! I have hear that the woman in the Davis case was a whopping 100 lbs and was really beat up. I wish her the very best. I have NO sympathy for batters. He should go to Jail.... but unfortunately most do not!

Grizlaw · Post by **Grizlaw** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:22 pm

Geezus...when it rains it pours, I guess. (?)

This sucks...not that I would ever talk smack about a former player beating his girlfriend (some things are always out of bounds as far as I'm concerned), but at this point, I feel like I can't even talk smack about the things I should be talking smack about because there are too many other bad things going on in Bobcat-land.

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:23 pm

mslacat wrote:
rtb wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote:well rumor has it that al beye was charged with drawing checks out of his roomates checking account
Yes, this was the other one, she didn't catch the name, but to the tune of $3600 from the checking account. He got 1 year probation and a $500 fine.

And Derrick Davis was the person who beat his girlfriend and apparently it was very violent. I am glad he is/was no longer part of the team, but it still doesn't help the image that MSU is fighting currently.
I am really getting sick of this! I have hear that the woman in the Davis case was a whopping 100 lbs and was really beat up. I wish her the very best. I have NO sympathy for batters. He should go to Jail.... but unfortunately most do not!

mslacat - i hope davis enjoys his stay in deerlodge, i understand they treat wife batteres special down there..

anacondagriz · Post by **anacondagriz** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:36 pm

Turner Brown wrote:MONTANA KIDS!

Please crawl back into your hole, idiot!

bozbobcat · Post by **bozbobcat** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:58 pm

I'm not sure how to respond to this kind of thing anymore. It is really sad that things like this have to happen. Derrick Davis makes all men look bad by beating his wife and should be punished accordingly. There is no place for something like that in our society and there never should be. Al Beye's problem came as a complete surprise to me. Al always seemed like such a great person and a nice guy, but I guess he has some issues as well. I hope this does not lead to a deportation type of situation. I also think that he should repay every bit of the money that he took from his roommate.

I don't know why ex-MSU athletes get so much attention in the local media, but all of these black eyes are really hurting the institution as a whole. I know that MSU will regain a good image soon. And on a side note, the two guys who finished second in the NASA competition did a great job, even if they are engineering students.

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:36 pm

Okay, I'm gonna perphrase by saying I hope there is no validity to these rumors. There have been way too many kids who have screwed up the rest of their life, and it is never a good thing.

That being said, if the rumors are true, something needs to change in the MSU athletic department. Character needs to be the number one issue when recruting. I'm not picking on anyone specific here, but clearly something has failed.

catmom · Post by **catmom** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:59 am

Here is what happened. Derrik called up his girlfriend to talk with her because they were having a little disagreement. What this girl didn't know is Derrik found out that she had been hanging out with other guys. She didn't realize that Derrik was all drunk and really PO about the rumors that he was hearing. She went to get into his car but she wanted one of her friends to come but he told her no and started to leave before her friend could get to the car. Right off the bat he punched her in the ear and the side of her head. She hit him back and tried to get out of the car. She got the door open and was going to jump out but he was able to grab her hair and get the door closed . He held her head down and drove the rest of the way to his house. He drug her out of the car and up into his room. He started throwing her around the room. He finally got her on the floor and stepped on her throat (she does have a footprint on her neck) she kicked him in the privates to get him to get off her and that really set him off. He started to punch her in the face. He ripped off her shirt and then started to drag her down the stairs to throw her out the door. He neglected to let go of her hair when he pushed her out the door because she just fell to the ground so he pulled her back into the house. He drug her back up into his room (take it from there) and then she had to wait for him to fall asleep to sneek out of the house. She had to walk for many blocks to a friends house to get some help with a torn shirt and in only some shorts (remember how cold Saturday morning was???). By the time he was picked up by the police (at the fieldhouse no less) he was still 2 times over the legal limit. He claims he dosen't remember much about that nite. One big thing I need to make clear here, she is a very little girl - I mean tiny. About 5'2 and not even 100lbs. She is a twig. I saw this girls injuries first hand. He also fractured her ribs. Her eardrum has been blown and they don't know if there will be any hearing loss do to this. She see a dr. tomorrow. This girl is only 18 and just started college.

He was in court today at 1 and he plead no contest to the charges and his date is Oct 9th for the meeting in front of the judge. He is out and I told her that she needs to get a restraining order on him (that shouldn't be too difficult). The lady the girl talked to at the court today said that he will probably not get any jail time (maybe only the day he has already spent) because he doesn't have a record. She was told that the state might press charges other than the ones she had. We will see what happens there. I guess he was told to stay out of bars or he will be put back into jail.

What makes me even more angry is there were other people in the house. They claimed that they didn't hear anything. Ok, BS lets call that exactly what it is. If these two guys are busted for not helping it will really hurt our season (really really bad) but the police said that they can't touch them because they can't prove they were their or even heard a thing (this is what I was told). They should be kicked out of the program. I wouldn't be suprised if Kramer takes care of that problem without the cops having to do a thing. They might play the rest of this fall but they will get the letter come December that they have lost their schollarships. I would not be suprised at that. But you never know he could just do it now. Coach is not one to piss off!!!

Regarding Al. I have not talked to him about this but the little that I have heard there is more to this and it is not as bad as it seems. I will find out and get back to the group. He is a great person and I talk to him on a daily basis. There is something else with this.

A little background on Derrik Davis. Derrik was playing corner for us a few years ago (when Joey Thomas was still here). When Joey got hurt there for a few games, Derrik stepped in for him. He left after that year because he was having some trouble with grades so they sent him down to a JC to try and get his grades up better to play at this level. He came back last year and yet again he had problems with grades last semester and he was put on the redshirt list for this year and was working as a manager to keep with the team. He is a really soft spoken guy and I have talked to him on many ocassions. Not really close but enough to say hi to acknowledge eachother. He didn't seem to be that kind of guy but you never know what booze will bring out in you.

G.W.Bush · Post by **G.W.Bush** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:28 am

This last spring I was behind our coaches and their recruiting, I thought what all that had happened was a fluke. With this new outbreak of illegal behavior I for one am truly wondering about our recruiting process- are we looking at what type of people we are bringing into the system? These outbreaks of unlawful behavior hurt recruiting, fan support, financial support and the University’s name. At what point do we make the coaching staff accountable for whom they bring into the system? Is it 4 felons a year? Ten? I miss the old days when all you heard about were MIPs and maybe a DUI…

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:44 am

Turner Brown wrote:MONTANA KIDS!

STFU

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:54 am

(sarcasm on) Why do we have such an easy time hitting women off the field but such a difficult time hitting football players on the field (sarcasm off)

bobcatmaniac · Post by **bobcatmaniac** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:08 am

I am absolutely sickened by this whole players in trouble deal. I think there is a much bigger problem than it being lack of montana kids, jc transfers or drop downs. I think this whole generation of kids are lead to believe that immediate self-gratification is the way to go. MTV has shown them for many years how to dress, what to buy, how to live, and how to treat women. Our young women have learned from them how they should be disrepected. That in NO WAY excuses the pud that beat the young girl up. I am just saying all of the kids are being taught wrong. Very few seems to be for the good of the whole. Most are just doing what feels good at the time...drugs, stealing etc. Have they no conscience? Families are falling apart. What is this...the fall of the roman empire v.2??

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:43 am

If all that has been posted up to this point is true, then I am absolutely DISGUSTED.

I really don't care about W's and L's now. If this is indicative of the direction the program is headed, then it is time to clean house.

Don't get me wrong, I have posted on many other threads my defense of the University, because sometimes bad things happen. In fact, I was consistently posting when other good schools (such as Harvard, Air Force, etc.) had kids in their program that did terrible things. But this is turning into the proverbial straw that is breaking this camel's back.

I will always support the Cats. I will always cheer them on. But I am seriously questioning my financial support of the program, unless I get some answers/changes.

I was having a pretty dang good morning until I read this thread.

Post by **rtb** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:51 am

From the Bozeman Chronicle

Former MSU football player admits beating ex-girlfriend

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:31 am

bobcatmaniac wrote:I am absolutely sickened by this whole players in trouble deal. I think there is a much bigger problem than it being lack of montana kids, jc transfers or drop downs. I think this whole generation of kids are lead to believe that immediate self-gratification is the way to go. MTV has shown them for many years how to dress, what to buy, how to live, and how to treat women. Our young women have learned from them how they should be disrepected. That in NO WAY excuses the pud that beat the young girl up. I am just saying all of the kids are being taught wrong. Very few seems to be for the good of the whole. Most are just doing what feels good at the time...drugs, stealing etc. Have they no conscience? Families are falling apart. What is this...the fall of the roman empire v.2??

Let's not go chicken little on the generation -- the kids are alright ... just as they always have been. They are maybe even better than most recent generations.

The problem isn't kids in general ... it just appears to be many of the kids that we have recruited at MSU in recent years.

soldier668 · Post by **soldier668** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:49 am

This type of thing is a tough deal. I deal with this same type of issue in the Army all the time. It's nice to say that we shouldn't have athletes that do drugs, beat their spouses or girlfriends, or do other illegal things. Coaches can have some influence on these things and can try to keep from recruiting people who have tendencies toward them, but that is only so applicable. I just had a soldier who works for me, very motivated and hard working soldier, no warning signs, not really an excessive drinker, no criminal record, etc. Comes back from leave and comes up hot for cocaine. When I did the command interview with him to determine what happened, he didn't even have an explaination he said it was there so he did some. Stupid, yes, but it's very hard to say all the time why people do certain things. I've had soldiers who you would never expect to hurt someone beat thier wives, with no record, no background to indicate why they would do something like that. A coach's influence is much like a military commander's influence on thier soldiers. You can preach at them, tell them not to do it, show them why the souldn't do it, etc. Still you cannot be with them 24 hours a day, so you can't always keep these things from happening. The other trend with these incidents at MSU seems to all be former players who continue to hang around the program. I wonder if the lack of some coach's influence vs. when they were actually actively playing has some affect on their behavior. Who knows, all I know is you have to severly punish the individuals involved and continue to make an effort to recruit good people and try as best as you can to keep them from doing stupid things while representing the program.

Grizlaw · Post by **Grizlaw** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:01 am

You want to know what really makes my blood boil out of this whole thing? These two quotes, from the Chronicle:

Davis is accused of punching the woman in the face, hitting her numerous times and dragging her by her hair during an argument over the weekend, according to court records. He was arrested and charged with partner assault, a misdemeanor.

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In court Monday, City Prosecutor Susan Wordal told the judge the woman had to go to Bozeman Deaconess Hospital for a broken rib. She also had bruises, swelling, cuts and scratches on her face and body, according to court records.

Davis pleaded guilty to partner assault without an attorney representing him, saying he wanted to get back to work and school.

I feel like I'm in the fcking Twilight Zone.

When a person is hospitalized for a broken rib, "misdemeanor partner assault" is NOT the crime that springs to my mind. I think I've been posting here long enough for you all to know that I am not a raving psycho who flies off the handle at every little thing, but the events that have been described here warrant a FELONY, folks. I don't care if this was a one-time thing or what this guy's prior record is; he belongs in PRISON, not jail/community service.

This is not smack directed at MSU, the Cats, or anything of the sort; I'm not going to preach or blame the school for this, but the PROSECUTOR, on the other hand, needs to be called out on the carpet, imo. Felony charges have been brought (and won) in far less serious cases than this. Someone has some 'splainin to do...