New OC

FootballFan · Post by **FootballFan** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:45 pm

It is becoming more and more evident that Lulay carried the offense for the past 3 years and now without him Bailey's true ability is coming forward. 1 first down in the first half, now that is great offense!!

Other thoughts, all Kramer "the Don King" of MSU football has to do is go 7 - 1 over the next 8 games to match Hysell's coaching record after seven seasons?

He is a promoter not a coach, don't get them confused.

BozCatFan · Post by **BozCatFan** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:48 pm

I agree, he is as good as a promotor at this level in college football as there is.

WeedKillinCat · Post by **WeedKillinCat** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:51 pm

I sure hope that they can get their crap together. I am hoping that they can pull off wins in the conference but my gut feel is that they will not be at the top this year...hate to say it...

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:12 pm

perhaps they need somthing like this sorta start

i do hope that the players get their s### together

GavinDonos · Post by **GavinDonos** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:37 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:perhaps they need somthing like this sorta start

i do hope that the players get their s### together

These last couple of games go up as two of the worst losses in the history of Bobcat football. Two weeks ago Chadron came in saying they were going to run the ball and they ran all over our ass. This week Davis comes in saying they're gonna air it out and they pass all over our ass to the tune of 45 points on our field. Meanwhile our offense can't even get the right personnel out there for the first play of the half, can't remember snap counts, and flat-out cannot execute ANY aspect of their game.

I don't know what kind of team needs this kind of a start to realize their full potential.... seems to me like we might just have been kidding ourselves all along. I think we're just a bad football team, and there are plenty of contributing factors from top to bottom.

I wonder how many people will bother showing up next week... I'd be surprised if we had 10k there today. I know I'll be there with MM7, hoping for a miracle (three first downs by halftime, or something along those lines)

G.W.Bush · Post by **G.W.Bush** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:40 pm

Hell's Bells wrote: i do hope that the players get their s### together

I am thinking the Coaches need to get their s### together!

BelgradeBobcat · Post by **BelgradeBobcat** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:42 pm

Something is terribly wrong. The players just flat quit-before halftime. Is there something going on behind the scenes? I've never-in all my life of watching sports seen the wheels fall off the way it has for the Bobcats the last two games.

The defense looks confused. Players constantly looking at the sideline-switching positions-running off the field as the quarterback is calling the signals. We had to burn a time out on the first series on a 3rd down for no apparant reason what-so-ever. It's like these guys have no idea where they're supposed to be or what they're doing. I noticed this at Colorado too, but CU had enough problems of their own.

The offense is just completely inept. The offensive line is either really weak or doing something wrong. There's no push there at all. Whatever running back we use can't break a tackle or make a play. Wide receivers dropping balls-especially Jefferson who must be a real head case, and quarterbacks missing throws, making wrong decisions, refusing to run with the ball etc.

Can we please just get a real punter? Lulay did the roll punt thing-okay. But there's a reason the roll punt is not embraced nationally. It's time to start punting the ball away-especially when we're punting under the shadow of our own goal posts.

Wheels have fallen off. Turning this thing back around looks near impossible to me-but so did losing to Chadron and getting shut out at home to UC Davis.

I think we're screwed.

G.W.Bush · Post by **G.W.Bush** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:45 pm

The O-line looked good to me; they were not the problem today! The Cats' problem stems from something deeper! Blaming the players is not going to cut it, especially after beating CU...

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:46 pm

GavinDonos wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote:perhaps they need somthing like this sorta start

i do hope that the players get their s### together
These last couple of games go up as two of the worst losses in the history of Bobcat football. Two weeks ago Chadron came in saying they were going to run the ball and they ran all over our ass. This week Davis comes in saying they're gonna air it out and they pass all over our ass to the tune of 45 points on our field. Meanwhile our offense can't even get the right personnel out there for the first play of the half, can't remember snap counts, and flat-out cannot execute ANY aspect of their game.

I don't know what kind of team needs this kind of a start to realize their full potential.... seems to me like we might just have been kidding ourselves all along. I think we're just a bad football team, and there are plenty of contributing factors from top to bottom.

I wonder how many people will bother showing up next week... I'd be surprised if we had 10k there today. I know I'll be there with MM7, hoping for a miracle (three first downs by halftime, or something along those lines)

hey ill show up. i dont care how good they are i am always willing to goto a bobcat football game.

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:48 pm

G.W.Bush wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote: i do hope that the players get their s### together
I am thinking the Coaches need to get their s### together!

how exactly? from watching the few minutes of this game i could stomach i saw the following

1) qb missing open targets....again
2) rb running for a big gain then needs to know how to tote the football.
ie one handed is not going to do the job
3) our two best wrs. tolliver and lulay. where was weaton> jefferson didnt know a drop he didnt like
4) our d played good but was out on the field for 99 percent of the time = tired = 45 points given up

G.W.Bush · Post by **G.W.Bush** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:54 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:
G.W.Bush wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote: i do hope that the players get their s### together
I am thinking the Coaches need to get their s### together!
how exactly? from watching the few minutes of this game i could stomach i saw the following

1) qb missing open targets....again
2) rb running for a big gain then needs to know how to tote the football.
ie one handed is not going to do the job
3) our two best wrs. tolliver and lulay. where was weaton> jefferson didnt know a drop he didnt like
4) our d played good but was out on the field for 99 percent of the time = tired = 45 points given up

I think this many mishaps after last week’s game have more to do with coaching than individual positions. If it is a player problem than there is a problem with recruiting, which is a coaching problem…

GavinDonos · Post by **GavinDonos** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:56 pm

BelgradeBobcat wrote: We had to burn a time out on the first series on a 3rd down for no apparant reason what-so-ever.

That would be because we had not 11... not 12... not 13... but 14 men on the field before the snap. The second TO we took was because there were 13 guys on the field.

If I remember correctly Chadron scored on us last week once when we only had 10 guys on the field.

These last two weeks have been utterly disgusting to watch. You're spot on in your observations, Belgrade, when it comes to our defense looking discombobulated. Is there any way to "recombobulate" at this point? Time will tell I guess.

BelgradeBobcat · Post by **BelgradeBobcat** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:59 pm

I think there's something going on off the field-these guys heads were not in the game at all. They're not playing for each other-they don't trust each other.

Kramer needs to stay on campus all week-no booster functions, no talk shows, just coaching. He better figure it out real quick because "the ship be sinkin'"

tdub · Post by **tdub** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:01 pm

G.W.Bush wrote:The O-line looked good to me; they were not the problem today! The Cats' problem stems from something deeper! Blaming the players is not going to cut it, especially after beating CU...

It's a complete team game. Bad coaching alone doesn't take a game that should have been won to a 45-0 thrashing. Coaches can coach and do the absolute best they can, but if the players don't buy in or perform, well we know what happens. On the flip side, if you have a great group of players performing their best, and the coaches screw it up, then that loss is more like 28-14.

Both happened. The team wins and the team loses. There is not one player or coach on that field that wouldn't have liked to have at least one play back to do over again. It's easy to call for a coaches head after the game. Two weeks ago, people were hoping Kramer wasn't going up to 1-A.

I'm not saying the coaches are doing a great job. It obviously could improve. But give (dis)credit where (dis)credit is due. The team needs to improve from all angles.

Cat_gld · Post by **Cat_gld** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:02 pm

After the home losses this week and last, one thing is intuitively obvious. That is, we've probably got Mike Kramer, and whoever he feels might best run his offense, for as long as we want him. I don't think that MSU will serve as a stepping stone for him to advance to the next level. Anyone disagree? Up until two weeks ago I believed differently. Unlike water, right now I'm not even sure that he can seek his own level. This does sadden me because I really like the big guy, and I want him to be successful......wherever he's at.

Right now, I feel the best the cats will do from here on is to break even in the BSC. I don't believe this team will go deep into the playoffs as spuriously predicted.........that is unless the playoffs ar played in a toilet somewhere.

G.W.Bush · Post by **G.W.Bush** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:06 pm

Cat_gld wrote: After the home losses this week and last, one thing is intuitively obvious. That is, we've probably got Mike Kramer, and whoever he feels might best run his offense, for as long as we want him. I don't think that MSU will serve as a stepping stone for him to advance to the next level. Anyone disagree? Up until two weeks ago I believed differently. Unlike water, right now I'm not even sure that he can seek his own level. This does sadden me because I really like the big guy, and I want him to be successful......wherever he's at.

Right now, I feel the best the cats will do from here on is to break even in the BSC. I don't believe this team will go deep into the playoffs as spuriously predicted.........that is unless the playoffs ar played in a toilet somewhere.[/img]

Kramer told me 3 years ago that if a D-I team would come calling he would leave MSU. Josh Winago (sp) two years ago told me that Kramer would already be gone if not for the 0-11 year. I am starting to think that Kramer is lucky to have a job with MSU at the 1-AA level. He is more suited for a 1-AA level in a state that doesn't care about 1-AA football, like Washington.

BozCatFan · Post by **BozCatFan** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:43 pm

I agree with you completely, GW. Kramer does belong somewhere like Washington.

Bcat · Post by **Bcat** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:49 pm

BelgradeBobcat wrote:I think there's something going on off the field-these guys heads were not in the game at all. They're not playing for each other-they don't trust each other.

Kramer needs to stay on campus all week-no booster functions, no talk shows, just coaching. He better figure it out real quick because "the ship be sinkin'"

Agree. Coaches prepare programs, programs prepare players for games. I get tired of this blame on players. Cmon folks, do you want this program to improve, or do you want to stay emotionally attached to what is comfortable and pleasant?

GrizinWashington · Post by **GrizinWashington** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:56 pm

Bcat wrote:
BelgradeBobcat wrote:I think there's something going on off the field-these guys heads were not in the game at all. They're not playing for each other-they don't trust each other.

Kramer needs to stay on campus all week-no booster functions, no talk shows, just coaching. He better figure it out real quick because "the ship be sinkin'"
Agree. Coaches prepare programs, programs prepare players for games. I get tired of this blame on players. Cmon folks, do you want this program to improve, or do you want to stay emotionally attached to what is comfortable and pleasant?

Okay, this isn't intended to be smack, but I'm curious if anyone thinks this could be due to the heavy allotment of JC players. It's always been my impression that when the going gets tough, often juco guys seem to be looking out only for themselves, where 4 year guys tend to "buy in" to the program more. Your thoughts?

Also, I agree with the statment that Krames needs to stay on campus. I was shocked when I saw his travel schedule last week. When does he coach?

BozCatFan · Post by **BozCatFan** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:57 pm

Coaches recruit players.
Coaches review film for purposes of improvement and preparation for the next opponent.
Coaches lead practice.
Coaches set tone of intensity and focus all week.
Coaches motivate.
Coaches instill discipline.
Coaches inspire.
Coaches develop a game plan, call plays, make decisions.

Players have to be put in positions to be successful. That is why the good ones can always be good year in and year out. They know how to get the most from those they recruit.

Kramer and his staff may have good intentions and work their tails off, but one or more things are missing from their aproach to coaching.