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FIRE EVERYONE!
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2025 9:56 pm
by MSU01
Just kidding, that was a hell of a football game between two great teams. Go Cats! Plenty to work on, I think we may have talked too much about the QB position and underestimated the impact of losing Brendan Hall and Tommy Sullivan.
Re: FIRE EVERYONE!
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:02 pm
by MSUBRONCO
0-2 hurts for sure, BUT last week was expected so don't count that really knew this game was a true 50/50 definitely stuff to fix but think rest of season will be alright
Re: FIRE EVERYONE!
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:02 pm
by gris_h8er
Can we just fire Vigen and call it a night? That was too exhausting to find a whole new coaching staff tonight.
Re: FIRE EVERYONE!
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:04 pm
by CatBlitz
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:02 pm
Can we just fire Vigen and call it a night? That was too exhausting to find a whole new coaching staff tonight.
Vigen is not the problem lol
Re: FIRE EVERYONE!
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:05 pm
by gris_h8er
CatBlitz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:04 pm
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:02 pm
Can we just fire Vigen and call it a night? That was too exhausting to find a whole new coaching staff tonight.
Vigen is not the problem lol
Please do elaborate Mr. Madden
Re: FIRE EVERYONE!
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:07 pm
by CatBlitz
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:05 pm
CatBlitz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:04 pm
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:02 pm
Can we just fire Vigen and call it a night? That was too exhausting to find a whole new coaching staff tonight.
Vigen is not the problem lol
Please do elaborate Mr. Madden
You have eyes. This is either the first game you've watched or you're just another emotional clown arguing in bad faith.
Go to bed and come back later.
Re: FIRE EVERYONE!
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:08 pm
by onceacat
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:05 pm
CatBlitz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:04 pm
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:02 pm
Can we just fire Vigen and call it a night? That was too exhausting to find a whole new coaching staff tonight.
Vigen is not the problem lol
Please do elaborate Mr. Madden
Whoever called more designed runs for Lamson than the best RB in the conference.
Re: FIRE EVERYONE!
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:15 pm
by catgrad05
onceacat wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:08 pm
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:05 pm
CatBlitz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:04 pm
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:02 pm
Can we just fire Vigen and call it a night? That was too exhausting to find a whole new coaching staff tonight.
Vigen is not the problem lol
Please do elaborate Mr. Madden
Whoever called more designed runs for Lamson than the best RB in the conference.
OC play calling lost the game, very obvious
Re: FIRE EVERYONE!
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:15 pm
by gris_h8er
CatBlitz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:07 pm
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:05 pm
CatBlitz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:04 pm
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:02 pm
Can we just fire Vigen and call it a night? That was too exhausting to find a whole new coaching staff tonight.
Vigen is not the problem lol
Please do elaborate Mr. Madden
You have eyes. This is either the first game you've watched or you're just another emotional clown arguing in bad faith.
Go to bed and come back later.
You’re right. I saw:
1) playing for a field goal at half time
2) miscues, fumbles and blocked punts and 12 men on the field
3) a new offensive coordinator and the same suspect and unexplainable play calls
4) inconsistent play
5) talented kids as always. (He recruits well) but they’re not sharp, seem unprepared.
So who is to blame for those things? Things which we regularly see from Vigen coached teams. Who is the boogeyman that keeps thwarting the coaching genius that is Brent Vigen?
Re: FIRE EVERYONE!
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:20 pm
by onceacat
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:15 pm
CatBlitz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:07 pm
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:05 pm
CatBlitz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:04 pm
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:02 pm
Can we just fire Vigen and call it a night? That was too exhausting to find a whole new coaching staff tonight.
Vigen is not the problem lol
Please do elaborate Mr. Madden
You have eyes. This is either the first game you've watched or you're just another emotional clown arguing in bad faith.
Go to bed and come back later.
You’re right. I saw:
1) playing for a field goal at half time
2) miscues, fumbles and blocked punts and 12 men on the field
3) a new offensive coordinator and the same suspect and unexplainable play calls
4) inconsistent play
5) talented kids as always. (He recruits well) but they’re not sharp, seem unprepared.
So who is to blame for those things? Things which we regularly see from Vigen coached teams. Who is the boogeyman that keeps thwarting the coaching genius that is Brent Vigen?
#1 has been consistent through Vigens career. It's not ever going to change. Its got him to a 79% win percentage with the Cats, 2 natties, a few semis, and a bunch of wins at NDSU
2). Correct. Totally unacceptable. Really boggles the mind.
3) Yes
4) I think thats to be expected 2 games in with new co-ordinator, QB, etc. Vigen has a history of getting these things cleaned up as the season goes on.
5) Except in the 80% of games that Vigen wins.
Re: FIRE EVERYONE!
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:24 pm
by GoCats18
That pass interference call in OT was what saved SDSU. Hats off to them. Great win for them. Their fans were awesome and have a ton of great things to say about MSU and our program/atmosphere. Best of luck to the Rabbits and I would say that we have some things to fix but we are easily a top 4 team even after tonight.
Re: FIRE EVERYONE!
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:25 pm
by gris_h8er
onceacat wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:20 pm
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:15 pm
CatBlitz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:07 pm
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:05 pm
CatBlitz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:04 pm
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:02 pm
Can we just fire Vigen and call it a night? That was too exhausting to find a whole new coaching staff tonight.
Vigen is not the problem lol
Please do elaborate Mr. Madden
You have eyes. This is either the first game you've watched or you're just another emotional clown arguing in bad faith.
Go to bed and come back later.
You’re right. I saw:
1) playing for a field goal at half time
2) miscues, fumbles and blocked punts and 12 men on the field
3) a new offensive coordinator and the same suspect and unexplainable play calls
4) inconsistent play
5) talented kids as always. (He recruits well) but they’re not sharp, seem unprepared.
So who is to blame for those things? Things which we regularly see from Vigen coached teams. Who is the boogeyman that keeps thwarting the coaching genius that is Brent Vigen?
#1 has been consistent through Vigens career. It's not ever going to change. Its got him to a 79% win percentage with the Cats, 2 natties, a few semis, and a bunch of wins at NDSU
2). Correct. Totally unacceptable. Really boggles the mind.
3) Yes
4) I think thats to be expected 2 games in with new co-ordinator, QB, etc. Vigen has a history of getting these things cleaned up as the season goes on.
5) Except in the 80% of games that Vigen wins.
1) losses close games, see Idaho two years ago and tonight
3) has to be Vigen
4) isn’t the point of practice and the team arriving before classes so they’re prepared for games? Oregon doesn’t count. Outlier and irrelevant. SDSU tonight was sloppy and has to be someone’s fault
5) I’m worried about the 20% he doesn’t win. Let’s get it to 95% and then I’ll shut up about the vegetablist.
Re: FIRE EVERYONE!
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:52 pm
by onceacat
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:25 pm
onceacat wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:20 pm
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:15 pm
CatBlitz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:07 pm
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:05 pm
CatBlitz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:04 pm
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:02 pm
Can we just fire Vigen and call it a night? That was too exhausting to find a whole new coaching staff tonight.
Vigen is not the problem lol
Please do elaborate Mr. Madden
You have eyes. This is either the first game you've watched or you're just another emotional clown arguing in bad faith.
Go to bed and come back later.
You’re right. I saw:
1) playing for a field goal at half time
2) miscues, fumbles and blocked punts and 12 men on the field
3) a new offensive coordinator and the same suspect and unexplainable play calls
4) inconsistent play
5) talented kids as always. (He recruits well) but they’re not sharp, seem unprepared.
So who is to blame for those things? Things which we regularly see from Vigen coached teams. Who is the boogeyman that keeps thwarting the coaching genius that is Brent Vigen?
#1 has been consistent through Vigens career. It's not ever going to change. Its got him to a 79% win percentage with the Cats, 2 natties, a few semis, and a bunch of wins at NDSU
2). Correct. Totally unacceptable. Really boggles the mind.
3) Yes
4) I think thats to be expected 2 games in with new co-ordinator, QB, etc. Vigen has a history of getting these things cleaned up as the season goes on.
5) Except in the 80% of games that Vigen wins.
1) losses close games, see Idaho two years ago and tonight
3) has to be Vigen
4) isn’t the point of practice and the team arriving before classes so they’re prepared for games? Oregon doesn’t count. Outlier and irrelevant. SDSU tonight was sloppy and has to be someone’s fault
5) I’m worried about the 20% he doesn’t win.
Let’s get it to 95% and then I’ll shut up about the vegetablist.
](./images/smilies/eusa_wall.gif "Brick wall")
OK...where exactly are you going to find a coach that wins 95% of games?
Re: FIRE EVERYONE!
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:56 pm
by CatBlitz
onceacat wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:52 pm
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:25 pm
onceacat wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:20 pm
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:15 pm
CatBlitz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:07 pm
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:05 pm
CatBlitz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:04 pm
gris_h8er wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 10:02 pm
Can we just fire Vigen and call it a night? That was too exhausting to find a whole new coaching staff tonight.
Vigen is not the problem lol
Please do elaborate Mr. Madden
You have eyes. This is either the first game you've watched or you're just another emotional clown arguing in bad faith.
Go to bed and come back later.
You’re right. I saw:
1) playing for a field goal at half time
2) miscues, fumbles and blocked punts and 12 men on the field
3) a new offensive coordinator and the same suspect and unexplainable play calls
4) inconsistent play
5) talented kids as always. (He recruits well) but they’re not sharp, seem unprepared.
So who is to blame for those things? Things which we regularly see from Vigen coached teams. Who is the boogeyman that keeps thwarting the coaching genius that is Brent Vigen?
#1 has been consistent through Vigens career. It's not ever going to change. Its got him to a 79% win percentage with the Cats, 2 natties, a few semis, and a bunch of wins at NDSU
2). Correct. Totally unacceptable. Really boggles the mind.
3) Yes
4) I think thats to be expected 2 games in with new co-ordinator, QB, etc. Vigen has a history of getting these things cleaned up as the season goes on.
5) Except in the 80% of games that Vigen wins.
1) losses close games, see Idaho two years ago and tonight
3) has to be Vigen
4) isn’t the point of practice and the team arriving before classes so they’re prepared for games? Oregon doesn’t count. Outlier and irrelevant. SDSU tonight was sloppy and has to be someone’s fault
5) I’m worried about the 20% he doesn’t win.
Let’s get it to 95% and then I’ll shut up about the vegetablist.
OK...where exactly are you going to find a coach that wins 95% of games?
Don't worry. It's a secret.
Re: FIRE EVERYONE!
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2025 11:21 pm
by TomCat88
MSU, SDSU and NDSU are in lock step with each other. The deciding factor when they play other each is randomness. Since 2021, MSU is 1-5 with four losses by miniscule fractions. SDSU is up on NDSU 4-2, but four games have been decided by a TD or less. The only blowouts were by SDSU over NDSU in 2023, when NDSU was down a tad, SDSU over MSU in 2022 and MSU knew its lines weren't ready for prime time. NDSU over MSU in 2021 when Mellott went out on the first series. Other than that, it's just a knockdown, drag out fight. Especially since the start of 2023 when MSU actually caught up physically. No other teams are in the same ballpark.
You can flip a coin, and it'll come up heads 10 times in a row sometimes, and that's kinda what's happening to MSU. There's not guarantee it won't be 20.
SDSU is 7-2, NDSU is 5-4, MSU is 1-5. All three of them blow everyone's doors off unless they're just having a bad day. The eight contestants in the last four title games have been those three teams 7 times. The Griz had a good defense and Bergen and it got them in the title game, but they didn't make a semifinal other than that year. Out of 12 possible chances MSU, NDSU and SDSU have been in the semifinals 10 times the last four years.
All MSU can do is keep chopping wood or as Julius Davis said, keep heading into the storm and don't look back.
They all play the same style of football. It's no big secret to each other when they get on the field.
Re: FIRE EVERYONE!
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2025 11:56 pm
by Bobcat4Ever
There was a question making the rounds when Sterbick was hired to the effect of “Your teams have been throwing the ball a lot, but MSU is most usually among the top rushing teams, if not #1. Do you run your system, or do you adapt to what the players bring.” In the video interview he said that he could/would adapt to the tools that were available. Some of us reported feeling better after that.
That did not look like the #1 rushing team in the nation.
Re: FIRE EVERYONE!
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2025 1:50 am
by TomCat88
Bobcat4Ever wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 11:56 pm
There was a question making the rounds when Sterbick was hired to the effect of “Your teams have been throwing the ball a lot, but MSU is most usually among the top rushing teams, if not #1. Do you run your system, or do you adapt to what the players bring.” In the video interview he said that he could/would adapt to the tools that were available. Some of us reported feeling better after that.
That did not look like the #1 rushing team in the nation.
They had 48 carries for 211 yards in 2023 vs SDSU, 52 for 34 yards vs SDSU in 2022 (they broke the school record for rushing that year), last year vs NDSU they had 37 carries for 198 yards. Tonight, they had 42 for 210. Pretty consistent with the other years except 2022, which they were way better than.
Re: FIRE EVERYONE!
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2025 6:10 am
by FA_Q_M
The way I see it(and this sounds disrepectful to SDSU, but) SDSU needed EVERY call last night to eek out a double OT win(on a spot call no less). And hats off to them. Our crowd was rocking last night and they didn't really fold like a lesser team would have. We're good, they're good. They were just a little better last night.
Re: FIRE EVERYONE!
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2025 6:46 am
by BelligerentBobcat
Bobcat4Ever wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 11:56 pm
There was a question making the rounds when Sterbick was hired to the effect of “Your teams have been throwing the ball a lot, but MSU is most usually among the top rushing teams, if not #1. Do you run your system, or do you adapt to what the players bring.” In the video interview he said that he could/would adapt to the tools that were available. Some of us reported feeling better after that.
That did not look like the #1 rushing team in the nation.
I’m not exactly stanning for Sterbick here, but the OL has some spots that are struggling right now, and SDSU is very good on the lines. Next week will look a lot better.
Re: FIRE EVERYONE!
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2025 6:50 am
by CodyCat
TomCat88 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 06, 2025 11:21 pm
MSU, SDSU and NDSU are in lock step with each other. The deciding factor when they play other each is randomness. Since 2021, MSU is 1-5 with four losses by miniscule fractions. SDSU is up on NDSU 4-2, but four games have been decided by a TD or less. The only blowouts were by SDSU over NDSU in 2023, when NDSU was down a tad, SDSU over MSU in 2022 and MSU knew its lines weren't ready for prime time. NDSU over MSU in 2021 when Mellott went out on the first series. Other than that, it's just a knockdown, drag out fight. Especially since the start of 2023 when MSU actually caught up physically. No other teams are in the same ballpark.
You can flip a coin, and it'll come up heads 10 times in a row sometimes, and that's kinda what's happening to MSU. There's not guarantee it won't be 20.
SDSU is 7-2, NDSU is 5-4, MSU is 1-5. All three of them blow everyone's doors off unless they're just having a bad day. The eight contestants in the last four title games have been those three teams 7 times. The Griz had a good defense and Bergen and it got them in the title game, but they didn't make a semifinal other than that year. Out of 12 possible chances MSU, NDSU and SDSU have been in the semifinals 10 times the last four years.
All MSU can do is keep chopping wood or as Julius Davis said, keep heading into the storm and don't look back.
They all play the same style of football. It's no big secret to each other when they get on the field.
This narrative that msu is in the same conversation as the DSU’s is baffling. They aren’t. The whole program is a step behind.