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Apologies, but have been waiting for more chatter on this but felt like it was buried in the Indoor Practice Facility thread.

I can also understand why MSU may not want to draw too much attention to this given the investment made in the new facility, but that said - it looks like as of late July MSU has an indoor practice bubble ALREADY as it builds a state of the art indoor practice structure.

https://twitter.com/CoachPFieldTurf/sta ... _&ref_url=

Certainly this facility will suffice for MSU football winter camp...

MSU Toddler wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 01, 2024 1:47 pm

Apologies, but have been waiting for more chatter on this but felt like it was buried in the Indoor Practice Facility thread.

I can also understand why MSU may not want to draw too much attention to this given the investment made in the new facility, but that said - it looks like as of late July MSU has an indoor practice bubble ALREADY as it builds a state of the art indoor practice structure.

https://twitter.com/CoachPFieldTurf/sta ... _&ref_url=

Certainly this facility will suffice for MSU football winter camp...

Is the football team going to be able to use it or is it students (non-athletics department) only?

coloradocat wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 01, 2024 2:21 pm

MSU Toddler wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 01, 2024 1:47 pm

Apologies, but have been waiting for more chatter on this but felt like it was buried in the Indoor Practice Facility thread.

I can also understand why MSU may not want to draw too much attention to this given the investment made in the new facility, but that said - it looks like as of late July MSU has an indoor practice bubble ALREADY as it builds a state of the art indoor practice structure.

https://twitter.com/CoachPFieldTurf/sta ... _&ref_url=

Certainly this facility will suffice for MSU football winter camp...

Is the football team going to be able to use it or is it students (non-athletics department) only?

I think eventually it will be for student rec use, but it’s the designated football indoor facility until our is completed.

Where did tennis move to? Is that part of the new health complex?

Can someone inform me on my we didn’t build a bubble? I agree an actual building is better so maybe my question is why did the gris build a bubble? Obviously money would be a lot of it but if it won’t last long why is that the route the gris went. Also curious what is next on the plan? The bowl seats cost $6 million whereas the BAC and Indoor cost $44 million… seems like corner seats would be under $10 million and seems like we can raise that. Please inform me

Monymony wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:37 pm

Can someone inform me on my we didn’t build a bubble? I agree an actual building is better so maybe my question is why did the gris build a bubble? Obviously money would be a lot of it but if it won’t last long why is that the route the gris went. Also curious what is next on the plan? The bowl seats cost $6 million whereas the BAC and Indoor cost $44 million… seems like corner seats would be under $10 million and seems like we can raise that. Please inform me

According to the 2017 facilities plan, the next phase is to build a new east side grandstand that would wrap around from the end zone at the same height. I'd be wary of using construction costs from a 2011 project to estimate what a new project would cost today. I think it's safe to say that it would cost much more than your $10M estimate. I think MSU will at least want to get the IPF built and opened before they start on something new and ask their big donors to open their wallets yet again!

MSU01 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 02, 2024 5:41 am

Monymony wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:37 pm

Can someone inform me on my we didn’t build a bubble? I agree an actual building is better so maybe my question is why did the gris build a bubble? Obviously money would be a lot of it but if it won’t last long why is that the route the gris went. Also curious what is next on the plan? The bowl seats cost $6 million whereas the BAC and Indoor cost $44 million… seems like corner seats would be under $10 million and seems like we can raise that. Please inform me

According to the 2017 facilities plan, the next phase is to build a new east side grandstand that would wrap around from the end zone at the same height. I'd be wary of using construction costs from a 2011 project to estimate what a new project would cost today. I think it's safe to say that it would cost much more than your $10M estimate. I think MSU will at least want to get the IPF built and opened before they start on something new and ask their big donors to open their wallets yet again!

Also, the south end zone bowl cost closer to 10 million in 2011. Conservatively, I would say that new seating plus all of the other upgrades to Infrastructure (bathrooms, concessions, suites) would be at least 40 million. Think about the fact that the new indoor, which is a relatively simple building, is coming in at 25 million.

snarf wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 02, 2024 6:05 am

MSU01 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 02, 2024 5:41 am

Monymony wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:37 pm

Can someone inform me on my we didn’t build a bubble? I agree an actual building is better so maybe my question is why did the gris build a bubble? Obviously money would be a lot of it but if it won’t last long why is that the route the gris went. Also curious what is next on the plan? The bowl seats cost $6 million whereas the BAC and Indoor cost $44 million… seems like corner seats would be under $10 million and seems like we can raise that. Please inform me

According to the 2017 facilities plan, the next phase is to build a new east side grandstand that would wrap around from the end zone at the same height. I'd be wary of using construction costs from a 2011 project to estimate what a new project would cost today. I think it's safe to say that it would cost much more than your $10M estimate. I think MSU will at least want to get the IPF built and opened before they start on something new and ask their big donors to open their wallets yet again!

Also, the south end zone bowl cost closer to 10 million in 2011. Conservatively, I would say that new seating plus all of the other upgrades to Infrastructure (bathrooms, concessions, suites) would be at least 40 million. Think about the fact that the new indoor, which is a relatively simple building, is coming in at 25 million.

The $11 million EZ project back in 2010-11 included, bathrooms, locker rooms, concessions and a scoreboard. I think the NEZ would only need bathrooms and concessions. I think the IPF has HVAC, fire suppression, bathrooms, FieldTurf, whatever material is used for the track. $40 million would probably cover both the east grandstand and end zone. I think the NEZ as a standalone would be $15-20, depending on bells and whistles and the east grandstand as a standalone would be around $20-25.

Monymony wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:37 pm

Can someone inform me on my we didn’t build a bubble? I agree an actual building is better so maybe my question is why did the gris build a bubble? Obviously money would be a lot of it but if it won’t last long why is that the route the gris went. Also curious what is next on the plan? The bowl seats cost $6 million whereas the BAC and Indoor cost $44 million… seems like corner seats would be under $10 million and seems like we can raise that. Please inform me

I think you answered a couple of your own questions.
1. An actual building is better.
2. Most likely a money issue.
3. East grandstand.
4. My best guess is the NEZ cost would probably be around $15-20 million, depending on how many bells and whistles are included.

Monymony wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:37 pm

Can someone inform me on my we didn’t build a bubble? I agree an actual building is better so maybe my question is why did the gris build a bubble? Obviously money would be a lot of it but if it won’t last long why is that the route the gris went. Also curious what is next on the plan? The bowl seats cost $6 million whereas the BAC and Indoor cost $44 million… seems like corner seats would be under $10 million and seems like we can raise that. Please inform me

For one thing, the griz still haven't built a functional bubble. While theirs will likely be usable slightly sooner than ours, I don't think they consider it a long term solution. It was more a plan to be first. Also, I believe their IPB is just for football, which makes sense as they are a football school. MSU is an athletics school which is why our IPF is being built for long term use by multiple sports. Others have mentioned the potential issues with your cost estimates. I'll also add that the next item on the list for the stadium is the mythical east bleacher replacement, not bowling the end zone.

I've heard 40-60 million for the east side depending on what upgrades it comes with and how many suites go above the grandstand. I doubt it happens in the next 5 years.

coloradocat wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:25 am

Monymony wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:37 pm

Can someone inform me on my we didn’t build a bubble? I agree an actual building is better so maybe my question is why did the gris build a bubble? Obviously money would be a lot of it but if it won’t last long why is that the route the gris went. Also curious what is next on the plan? The bowl seats cost $6 million whereas the BAC and Indoor cost $44 million… seems like corner seats would be under $10 million and seems like we can raise that. Please inform me

For one thing, the griz still haven't built a functional bubble. While theirs will likely be usable slightly sooner than ours, I don't think they consider it a long term solution. It was more a plan to be first. Also, I believe their IPB is just for football, which makes sense as they are a football school. MSU is an athletics school which is why our IPF is being built for long term use by multiple sports. Others have mentioned the potential issues with your cost estimates. I'll also add that the next item on the list for the stadium is the mythical east bleacher replacement, not bowling the end zone.

One minor correction. Their IPB isn't just for football. They do have a sprint track and throwing/jumping areas, but not an oval track. I believe the soccer team can also practice in the facility. * Apparently, the school of dance will be practicing in the bubble as well.

AFCAT wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:38 am

coloradocat wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:25 am

Monymony wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:37 pm

Can someone inform me on my we didn’t build a bubble? I agree an actual building is better so maybe my question is why did the gris build a bubble? Obviously money would be a lot of it but if it won’t last long why is that the route the gris went. Also curious what is next on the plan? The bowl seats cost $6 million whereas the BAC and Indoor cost $44 million… seems like corner seats would be under $10 million and seems like we can raise that. Please inform me

For one thing, the griz still haven't built a functional bubble. While theirs will likely be usable slightly sooner than ours, I don't think they consider it a long term solution. It was more a plan to be first. Also, I believe their IPB is just for football, which makes sense as they are a football school. MSU is an athletics school which is why our IPF is being built for long term use by multiple sports. Others have mentioned the potential issues with your cost estimates. I'll also add that the next item on the list for the stadium is the mythical east bleacher replacement, not bowling the end zone.

One minor correction. Their IPB isn't just for football. They do have a sprint track and throwing/jumping areas, but not an oval track. I believe the soccer team can also practice in the facility. * Apparently, the school of dance will be practicing in the bubble as well.

Speaking of dance class, today I learned that UM offers a Pole Dancing and Fitness class.

Thanks for the feedback. Is the north end zone still able to be bowled with the BAC and new screen, seems like they would do corner seats and seating below the scoreboard with an opening for the players. I noticed in the 2017 master plan that there was plan to put box seats above the north end zone. Maybe 5k seats? I do agree that with redoing the east side and adding box seats it would be very expensive and would be a while before they ask donors for $ again.

Monymony wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:08 am

Thanks for the feedback. Is the north end zone still able to be bowled with the BAC and new screen, seems like they would do corner seats and seating below the scoreboard with an opening for the players. I noticed in the 2017 master plan that there was plan to put box seats above the north end zone. Maybe 5k seats? I do agree that with redoing the east side and adding box seats it would be very expensive and would be a while before they ask donors for $ again.

As you mentioned in a other post, corner stands bowling in next to the BAC should work. @AFCAT has done a mock up somewhere else on the forum of what 6 or 7 rows in front of the BAC could look like as well.

BleedingBLue wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:10 pm

Monymony wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:08 am

Thanks for the feedback. Is the north end zone still able to be bowled with the BAC and new screen, seems like they would do corner seats and seating below the scoreboard with an opening for the players. I noticed in the 2017 master plan that there was plan to put box seats above the north end zone. Maybe 5k seats? I do agree that with redoing the east side and adding box seats it would be very expensive and would be a while before they ask donors for $ again.

As you mentioned in a other post, corner stands bowling in next to the BAC should work. @AFCAT has done a mock up somewhere else on the forum of what 6 or 7 rows in front of the BAC could look like as well.

That mock up is saved somewhere on my computer but the Cats have talked about raising the North end zone seating and putting some sort of party area underneath. I believe that will limit the amount of rows of seating that can be put above the party area. That is, if they don't want to obscure the views from the windows. Remember, the scoreboard is also in the way and you don't want to put any seating behind the pilings.

If you follow the walk area from the Sonny Holland end zone and around the stadium through the West grandstands, a future expansion of that walk way area would end up directly underneath the BAC windows, Anyway, here is a VERY crude illustration of what the bowled in seating area could look like, without the party area and without the corner seating. You'll have to imagine the corner seating. The stands on the East side would basically have the walkway expansion too with seats both below and above the walkway. Flame away, but I did this in about 30 seconds, just for the fun of it. Yes, the East grandstands would probably be done first or at the same time, but I don't have the time or skills to mock up a new East grandstands.

The old facilities plan is 7 years old now and should be looked at as a basic guide and not an end result. There won't be a third story put on the BAC anytime soon and I have my doubts it ever will. The frigin scoreboard would obscure most of the views from a third story anyway.

wbtfg wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:25 am

AFCAT wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:38 am

coloradocat wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:25 am

Monymony wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:37 pm

Can someone inform me on my we didn’t build a bubble? I agree an actual building is better so maybe my question is why did the gris build a bubble? Obviously money would be a lot of it but if it won’t last long why is that the route the gris went. Also curious what is next on the plan? The bowl seats cost $6 million whereas the BAC and Indoor cost $44 million… seems like corner seats would be under $10 million and seems like we can raise that. Please inform me

For one thing, the griz still haven't built a functional bubble. While theirs will likely be usable slightly sooner than ours, I don't think they consider it a long term solution. It was more a plan to be first. Also, I believe their IPB is just for football, which makes sense as they are a football school. MSU is an athletics school which is why our IPF is being built for long term use by multiple sports. Others have mentioned the potential issues with your cost estimates. I'll also add that the next item on the list for the stadium is the mythical east bleacher replacement, not bowling the end zone.

One minor correction. Their IPB isn't just for football. They do have a sprint track and throwing/jumping areas, but not an oval track. I believe the soccer team can also practice in the facility. * Apparently, the school of dance will be practicing in the bubble as well.

Speaking of dance class, today I learned that UM offers a Pole Dancing and Fitness class.

Not sure I see a problem here.

CatBlitz wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:37 pm

wbtfg wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:25 am

AFCAT wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:38 am

coloradocat wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:25 am

Monymony wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:37 pm

Can someone inform me on my we didn’t build a bubble? I agree an actual building is better so maybe my question is why did the gris build a bubble? Obviously money would be a lot of it but if it won’t last long why is that the route the gris went. Also curious what is next on the plan? The bowl seats cost $6 million whereas the BAC and Indoor cost $44 million… seems like corner seats would be under $10 million and seems like we can raise that. Please inform me

For one thing, the griz still haven't built a functional bubble. While theirs will likely be usable slightly sooner than ours, I don't think they consider it a long term solution. It was more a plan to be first. Also, I believe their IPB is just for football, which makes sense as they are a football school. MSU is an athletics school which is why our IPF is being built for long term use by multiple sports. Others have mentioned the potential issues with your cost estimates. I'll also add that the next item on the list for the stadium is the mythical east bleacher replacement, not bowling the end zone.

One minor correction. Their IPB isn't just for football. They do have a sprint track and throwing/jumping areas, but not an oval track. I believe the soccer team can also practice in the facility. * Apparently, the school of dance will be practicing in the bubble as well.

Speaking of dance class, today I learned that UM offers a Pole Dancing and Fitness class.

Not sure I see a problem here.

but do they offer the hooker a degree or just a certificate of completion?

MSU01 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 02, 2024 5:41 am

I think MSU will at least want to get the IPF built and opened before they start on something new and ask their big donors to open their wallets yet again!

I assume there are many five-year pledges. At this point I would imagine many donors have made their second payments, so you have at least three years on those five years commits. It seems reasonable that any major project would be at least five years away.