Pro Day

[Cataholic]

My takeaway (not putting on blue and Gold colored glasses) is that there are no obvious NFL guys here. It wasn't like Ty Okada's workout last year that made you stand up and take notice.

Askelson had the best day of anyone-- Chambers and Snell did not help themselves. Askelson's numbers were similar to Callahan O'Reilly's. Askelson was little stronger noticeably faster (and I felt that translated to the field where he would sometimes be a heat-seaking missle), and significantly less good in the jumps. Agility drills were narrowly for Askelson. Overall career productivity was better for O'Reilly.

O'Reilly had a minicamp invite and made a UFL roster this year (though he was inactive in game 1)-- I'd expect that Askelson will get a similar opportunity. At the very least, he showed that the NFL is not a totally unrealistic possibility for him, in terms of his athletic markers.

Callahan O'Reilly:

Bench Press Reps: 24

Vertical Jump: 37.5"

Broad Jump: 10'3"

40-yd Dash: 4.70

Shuttle: 4.41

3-Cone: 7.08

Just curious, but what type of marks did Alex Singleton have coming out of college?

[AFCAT]

[BelligerentBobcat]

My takeaway (not putting on blue and Gold colored glasses) is that there are no obvious NFL guys here. It wasn't like Ty Okada's workout last year that made you stand up and take notice.

Askelson had the best day of anyone-- Chambers and Snell did not help themselves. Askelson's numbers were similar to Callahan O'Reilly's. Askelson was little stronger noticeably faster (and I felt that translated to the field where he would sometimes be a heat-seaking missle), and significantly less good in the jumps. Agility drills were narrowly for Askelson. Overall career productivity was better for O'Reilly.

O'Reilly had a minicamp invite and made a UFL roster this year (though he was inactive in game 1)-- I'd expect that Askelson will get a similar opportunity. At the very least, he showed that the NFL is not a totally unrealistic possibility for him, in terms of his athletic markers.

Callahan O'Reilly:

Bench Press Reps: 24

Vertical Jump: 37.5"

Broad Jump: 10'3"

40-yd Dash: 4.70

Shuttle: 4.41

3-Cone: 7.08

Just curious, but what type of marks did Alex Singleton have coming out of college?

4.65

15 reps

31” vert

10’ broad

4.25 and 7.13 in the agilities

[BelligerentBobcat]

Askelson timed a lot faster than I expected.

[Travelingcat]

My takeaway (not putting on blue and Gold colored glasses) is that there are no obvious NFL guys here. It wasn't like Ty Okada's workout last year that made you stand up and take notice.

Askelson had the best day of anyone-- Chambers and Snell did not help themselves. Askelson's numbers were similar to Callahan O'Reilly's. Askelson was little stronger noticeably faster (and I felt that translated to the field where he would sometimes be a heat-seaking missle), and significantly less good in the jumps. Agility drills were narrowly for Askelson. Overall career productivity was better for O'Reilly.

O'Reilly had a minicamp invite and made a UFL roster this year (though he was inactive in game 1)-- I'd expect that Askelson will get a similar opportunity. At the very least, he showed that the NFL is not a totally unrealistic possibility for him, in terms of his athletic markers.

Callahan O'Reilly:

Bench Press Reps: 24

Vertical Jump: 37.5"

Broad Jump: 10'3"

40-yd Dash: 4.70

Shuttle: 4.41

3-Cone: 7.08

Just curious, but what type of marks did Alex Singleton have coming out of college?

4.65

15 reps

31” vert

10’ broad

4.25 and 7.13 in the agilities

Singleton is a huge overachiever compared to his physical profile. But that also showed in his career at MSU, including 136 tackles and 15 TFL as a senior, numbers that Askelson didn't come close to. But obviously, would be great to see the same sort of over-achievement from Askelson. His marks weren't outstanding, but they were solid numbers of someone who at least should have a chance to compete for a spot somewhere

[BelligerentBobcat]

My takeaway (not putting on blue and Gold colored glasses) is that there are no obvious NFL guys here. It wasn't like Ty Okada's workout last year that made you stand up and take notice.

Askelson had the best day of anyone-- Chambers and Snell did not help themselves. Askelson's numbers were similar to Callahan O'Reilly's. Askelson was little stronger noticeably faster (and I felt that translated to the field where he would sometimes be a heat-seaking missle), and significantly less good in the jumps. Agility drills were narrowly for Askelson. Overall career productivity was better for O'Reilly.

O'Reilly had a minicamp invite and made a UFL roster this year (though he was inactive in game 1)-- I'd expect that Askelson will get a similar opportunity. At the very least, he showed that the NFL is not a totally unrealistic possibility for him, in terms of his athletic markers.

Callahan O'Reilly:

Bench Press Reps: 24

Vertical Jump: 37.5"

Broad Jump: 10'3"

40-yd Dash: 4.70

Shuttle: 4.41

3-Cone: 7.08

Just curious, but what type of marks did Alex Singleton have coming out of college?

4.65

15 reps

31” vert

10’ broad

4.25 and 7.13 in the agilities

Singleton is a huge overachiever compared to his physical profile. But that also showed in his career at MSU, including 136 tackles and 15 TFL as a senior, numbers that Askelson didn't come close to. But obviously, would be great to see the same sort of over-achievement from Askelson. His marks weren't outstanding, but they were solid numbers of someone who at least should have a chance to compete for a spot somewhere

Singleton is an incredibly instinctive and smart player. He makes up for his physical attributes by moving to the right place before most other players.

[TomCat88]

My takeaway (not putting on blue and Gold colored glasses) is that there are no obvious NFL guys here. It wasn't like Ty Okada's workout last year that made you stand up and take notice.

Askelson had the best day of anyone-- Chambers and Snell did not help themselves. Askelson's numbers were similar to Callahan O'Reilly's. Askelson was little stronger noticeably faster (and I felt that translated to the field where he would sometimes be a heat-seaking missle), and significantly less good in the jumps. Agility drills were narrowly for Askelson. Overall career productivity was better for O'Reilly.

O'Reilly had a minicamp invite and made a UFL roster this year (though he was inactive in game 1)-- I'd expect that Askelson will get a similar opportunity. At the very least, he showed that the NFL is not a totally unrealistic possibility for him, in terms of his athletic markers.

Callahan O'Reilly:

Bench Press Reps: 24

Vertical Jump: 37.5"

Broad Jump: 10'3"

40-yd Dash: 4.70

Shuttle: 4.41

3-Cone: 7.08

Just curious, but what type of marks did Alex Singleton have coming out of college?

4.65

15 reps

31” vert

10’ broad

4.25 and 7.13 in the agilities

Singleton is a huge overachiever compared to his physical profile. But that also showed in his career at MSU, including 136 tackles and 15 TFL as a senior, numbers that Askelson didn't come close to. But obviously, would be great to see the same sort of over-achievement from Askelson. His marks weren't outstanding, but they were solid numbers of someone who at least should have a chance to compete for a spot somewhere

Singleton is an incredibly instinctive and smart player. He makes up for his physical attributes by moving to the right place before most other players.

Pet peeve: Football hasn’t been around long enough for any human being to have instincts about it. I understand it’s a term that is used a lot. I’m not sure why people don’t just say intuition. Singleton’s an intuitive player. He uses his eyes and brain (experience) to “decode” plays and essentially attack them.

[Joe Bobcat]

My takeaway (not putting on blue and Gold colored glasses) is that there are no obvious NFL guys here. It wasn't like Ty Okada's workout last year that made you stand up and take notice.

Askelson had the best day of anyone-- Chambers and Snell did not help themselves. Askelson's numbers were similar to Callahan O'Reilly's. Askelson was little stronger noticeably faster (and I felt that translated to the field where he would sometimes be a heat-seaking missle), and significantly less good in the jumps. Agility drills were narrowly for Askelson. Overall career productivity was better for O'Reilly.

O'Reilly had a minicamp invite and made a UFL roster this year (though he was inactive in game 1)-- I'd expect that Askelson will get a similar opportunity. At the very least, he showed that the NFL is not a totally unrealistic possibility for him, in terms of his athletic markers.

Callahan O'Reilly:

Bench Press Reps: 24

Vertical Jump: 37.5"

Broad Jump: 10'3"

40-yd Dash: 4.70

Shuttle: 4.41

3-Cone: 7.08

Just curious, but what type of marks did Alex Singleton have coming out of college?

4.65

15 reps

31” vert

10’ broad

4.25 and 7.13 in the agilities

Singleton is a huge overachiever compared to his physical profile. But that also showed in his career at MSU, including 136 tackles and 15 TFL as a senior, numbers that Askelson didn't come close to. But obviously, would be great to see the same sort of over-achievement from Askelson. His marks weren't outstanding, but they were solid numbers of someone who at least should have a chance to compete for a spot somewhere

Singleton is an incredibly instinctive and smart player. He makes up for his physical attributes by moving to the right place before most other players.

Pet peeve: Football hasn’t been around long enough for any human being to have instincts about it. I understand it’s a term that is used a lot. I’m not sure why people don’t just say intuition. Singleton’s an intuitive player. He uses his eyes and brain (experience) to “decode” plays and essentially attack them.

You might be right Tom but I disagree to some extent. I think that both instinct and intuition are involved in the game of football especially your top football players.
Fight or flight are instinctual behaviors which have been used by humans who have been both predators and prey since the beginning of time. Every play in football is all about fight or flight. Defenders are predators to wherever the ball is and who ever has it, while ball handlers are prey desperately trying to outwit, out physical, and avoid the predators. That's why football is as primally stimulating as watching any predator trying to take down any prey. A good example is wolves try to take down an elk and elk trying to avoid the wolves to live another day. You can use the prey-predator animals of your choice.

[Buckaroo Bonzi]

My takeaway (not putting on blue and Gold colored glasses) is that there are no obvious NFL guys here. It wasn't like Ty Okada's workout last year that made you stand up and take notice.

Askelson had the best day of anyone-- Chambers and Snell did not help themselves. Askelson's numbers were similar to Callahan O'Reilly's. Askelson was little stronger noticeably faster (and I felt that translated to the field where he would sometimes be a heat-seaking missle), and significantly less good in the jumps. Agility drills were narrowly for Askelson. Overall career productivity was better for O'Reilly.

O'Reilly had a minicamp invite and made a UFL roster this year (though he was inactive in game 1)-- I'd expect that Askelson will get a similar opportunity. At the very least, he showed that the NFL is not a totally unrealistic possibility for him, in terms of his athletic markers.

Callahan O'Reilly:

Bench Press Reps: 24

Vertical Jump: 37.5"

Broad Jump: 10'3"

40-yd Dash: 4.70

Shuttle: 4.41

3-Cone: 7.08

Just curious, but what type of marks did Alex Singleton have coming out of college?

4.65

15 reps

31” vert

10’ broad

4.25 and 7.13 in the agilities

Singleton is a huge overachiever compared to his physical profile. But that also showed in his career at MSU, including 136 tackles and 15 TFL as a senior, numbers that Askelson didn't come close to. But obviously, would be great to see the same sort of over-achievement from Askelson. His marks weren't outstanding, but they were solid numbers of someone who at least should have a chance to compete for a spot somewhere

Singleton is an incredibly instinctive and smart player. He makes up for his physical attributes by moving to the right place before most other players.

Pet peeve: Football hasn’t been around long enough for any human being to have instincts about it. I understand it’s a term that is used a lot. I’m not sure why people don’t just say intuition. Singleton’s an intuitive player. He uses his eyes and brain (experience) to “decode” plays and essentially attack them.

You might be right Tom but I disagree to some extent. I think that both instinct and intuition are involved in the game of football especially your top football players.
Fight or flight are instinctual behaviors which have been used by humans who have been both predators and prey since the beginning of time. Every play in football is all about fight or flight. Defenders are predators to wherever the ball is and who ever has it, while ball handlers are prey desperately trying to outwit, out physical, and avoid the predators. That's why football is as primally stimulating as watching any predator trying to take down any prey. A good example is wolves try to take down an elk and elk trying to avoid the wolves to live another day. You can use the prey-predator animals of your choice.

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I would have to say Tom Kostabra Identified as a Predator and DB’s were his Prey .

[grizzh8r]

My takeaway (not putting on blue and Gold colored glasses) is that there are no obvious NFL guys here. It wasn't like Ty Okada's workout last year that made you stand up and take notice.

Askelson had the best day of anyone-- Chambers and Snell did not help themselves. Askelson's numbers were similar to Callahan O'Reilly's. Askelson was little stronger noticeably faster (and I felt that translated to the field where he would sometimes be a heat-seaking missle), and significantly less good in the jumps. Agility drills were narrowly for Askelson. Overall career productivity was better for O'Reilly.

O'Reilly had a minicamp invite and made a UFL roster this year (though he was inactive in game 1)-- I'd expect that Askelson will get a similar opportunity. At the very least, he showed that the NFL is not a totally unrealistic possibility for him, in terms of his athletic markers.

Callahan O'Reilly:

Bench Press Reps: 24

Vertical Jump: 37.5"

Broad Jump: 10'3"

40-yd Dash: 4.70

Shuttle: 4.41

3-Cone: 7.08

Just curious, but what type of marks did Alex Singleton have coming out of college?

4.65

15 reps

31” vert

10’ broad

4.25 and 7.13 in the agilities

Singleton is a huge overachiever compared to his physical profile. But that also showed in his career at MSU, including 136 tackles and 15 TFL as a senior, numbers that Askelson didn't come close to. But obviously, would be great to see the same sort of over-achievement from Askelson. His marks weren't outstanding, but they were solid numbers of someone who at least should have a chance to compete for a spot somewhere

Singleton is an incredibly instinctive and smart player. He makes up for his physical attributes by moving to the right place before most other players.

Pet peeve: Football hasn’t been around long enough for any human being to have instincts about it. I understand it’s a term that is used a lot. I’m not sure why people don’t just say intuition. Singleton’s an intuitive player. He uses his eyes and brain (experience) to “decode” plays and essentially attack them.

You might be right Tom but I disagree to some extent. I think that both instinct and intuition are involved in the game of football especially your top football players.
Fight or flight are instinctual behaviors which have been used by humans who have been both predators and prey since the beginning of time. Every play in football is all about fight or flight. Defenders are predators to wherever the ball is and who ever has it, while ball handlers are prey desperately trying to outwit, out physical, and avoid the predators. That's why football is as primally stimulating as watching any predator trying to take down any prey. A good example is wolves try to take down an elk and elk trying to avoid the wolves to live another day. You can use the prey-predator animals of your choice.

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I would have to say Tom Kostabra Identified as a Predator and DB’s were his Prey .

Same with Isaiah Ifanse. He trucked countless smaller defenders during his time as a Bobcat.

[Colter_Nuanez]

My takeaway (not putting on blue and Gold colored glasses) is that there are no obvious NFL guys here. It wasn't like Ty Okada's workout last year that made you stand up and take notice.

Askelson had the best day of anyone-- Chambers and Snell did not help themselves. Askelson's numbers were similar to Callahan O'Reilly's. Askelson was little stronger noticeably faster (and I felt that translated to the field where he would sometimes be a heat-seaking missle), and significantly less good in the jumps. Agility drills were narrowly for Askelson. Overall career productivity was better for O'Reilly.

O'Reilly had a minicamp invite and made a UFL roster this year (though he was inactive in game 1)-- I'd expect that Askelson will get a similar opportunity. At the very least, he showed that the NFL is not a totally unrealistic possibility for him, in terms of his athletic markers.

Callahan O'Reilly:

Bench Press Reps: 24

Vertical Jump: 37.5"

Broad Jump: 10'3"

40-yd Dash: 4.70

Shuttle: 4.41

3-Cone: 7.08

Just curious, but what type of marks did Alex Singleton have coming out of college?

4.65

15 reps

31” vert

10’ broad

4.25 and 7.13 in the agilities

Singleton is a huge overachiever compared to his physical profile. But that also showed in his career at MSU, including 136 tackles and 15 TFL as a senior, numbers that Askelson didn't come close to. But obviously, would be great to see the same sort of over-achievement from Askelson. His marks weren't outstanding, but they were solid numbers of someone who at least should have a chance to compete for a spot somewhere

Singleton is an incredibly instinctive and smart player. He makes up for his physical attributes by moving to the right place before most other players.

Singleton is also the single best open field tackler we've ever covered, not close, and that skill has translated to the highest level of football. He had more tackles by a large margin in one-on-one situations in the open field than any player in the entire NFL last season. He is an absurdly good, freakish tackler. All of his numbers were secondary to the fact that he has a world-class skill.

And you saw it instantly when he was inserted into his first meaningful game action for MSU when Jody Owens messed up his quad and Singleton had like 3 TFLs right away against Sam Houston State in the playoffs.

It's honestly a shame Singleton played his final few seasons on Bobcat defenses that weren't very good because that impacted his post season awards. He should've been a two-time first-team All-American for sure.

[Joe Bobcat]

You might be right Tom but I disagree to some extent. I think that both instinct and intuition are involved in the game of football especially your top football players.
Fight or flight are instinctual behaviors which have been used by humans who have been both predators and prey since the beginning of time. Every play in football is all about fight or flight. Defenders are predators to wherever the ball is and who ever has it, while ball handlers are prey desperately trying to outwit, out physical, and avoid the predators. That's why football is as primally stimulating as watching any predator trying to take down any prey. A good example is wolves try to take down an elk and elk trying to avoid the wolves to live another day. You can use the prey-predator animals of your choice.

.

I would have to say Tom Kostabra Identified as a Predator and DB’s were his Prey .

Ha that's kind of a good point considering how he played more in attack mode than avoid. On the other hand I view his play like that of many horned prey animals who sometimes determine that their best chance of victory or survival is to turn on their predator and gore them. I once saw a video of a bison that turned on a wolf that was chasing it and rolled that wolf big time. Running backs that play with that mind set can be really exciting to watch, Kostrba is one good example. for another, visualize that Nick Lasane run against the Griz.

Thanks for bringing up Tom Kostrba, that is a player I hadn't thought of in a long time.

Edit to add: Yes Ifanse is another perfect example of prey taking it to the predator/defender.

[AFCAT]

[BLACKnBLUEnGOLD]

When Singleton was coming out, 4.65 was a fast time for a linebacker

[Norsky19]

My takeaway (not putting on blue and Gold colored glasses) is that there are no obvious NFL guys here. It wasn't like Ty Okada's workout last year that made you stand up and take notice.

Askelson had the best day of anyone-- Chambers and Snell did not help themselves. Askelson's numbers were similar to Callahan O'Reilly's. Askelson was little stronger noticeably faster (and I felt that translated to the field where he would sometimes be a heat-seaking missle), and significantly less good in the jumps. Agility drills were narrowly for Askelson. Overall career productivity was better for O'Reilly.

O'Reilly had a minicamp invite and made a UFL roster this year (though he was inactive in game 1)-- I'd expect that Askelson will get a similar opportunity. At the very least, he showed that the NFL is not a totally unrealistic possibility for him, in terms of his athletic markers.

Callahan O'Reilly:

Bench Press Reps: 24

Vertical Jump: 37.5"

Broad Jump: 10'3"

40-yd Dash: 4.70

Shuttle: 4.41

3-Cone: 7.08

Just curious, but what type of marks did Alex Singleton have coming out of college?

4.65

15 reps

31” vert

10’ broad

4.25 and 7.13 in the agilities

Singleton is a huge overachiever compared to his physical profile. But that also showed in his career at MSU, including 136 tackles and 15 TFL as a senior, numbers that Askelson didn't come close to. But obviously, would be great to see the same sort of over-achievement from Askelson. His marks weren't outstanding, but they were solid numbers of someone who at least should have a chance to compete for a spot somewhere

Singleton is an incredibly instinctive and smart player. He makes up for his physical attributes by moving to the right place before most other players.

Pet peeve: Football hasn’t been around long enough for any human being to have instincts about it. I understand it’s a term that is used a lot. I’m not sure why people don’t just say intuition. Singleton’s an intuitive player. He uses his eyes and brain (experience) to “decode” plays and essentially attack them.

You might be right Tom but I disagree to some extent. I think that both instinct and intuition are involved in the game of football especially your top football players.
Fight or flight are instinctual behaviors which have been used by humans who have been both predators and prey since the beginning of time. Every play in football is all about fight or flight. Defenders are predators to wherever the ball is and who ever has it, while ball handlers are prey desperately trying to outwit, out physical, and avoid the predators. That's why football is as primally stimulating as watching any predator trying to take down any prey. A good example is wolves try to take down an elk and elk trying to avoid the wolves to live another day. You can use the prey-predator animals of your choice.

Instincts, Intuitive, Savvy, High FB IQ, Shrewd....
We all know what we are referring to. Same behavior.

[Colter_Nuanez]

[catatac]

Is anyone else surprised that Sean's 40 time wasn't better? Man, he torched defenders so many times and looked to be the fastest player on the field at times. Maybe he wasn't 100% on pro day or something.

[OutlanderCatAlum]

Singleton is a huge overachiever compared to his physical profile. But that also showed in his career at MSU, including 136 tackles and 15 TFL as a senior, numbers that Askelson didn't come close to. But obviously, would be great to see the same sort of over-achievement from Askelson. His marks weren't outstanding, but they were solid numbers of someone who at least should have a chance to compete for a spot somewhere

Singleton is an incredibly instinctive and smart player. He makes up for his physical attributes by moving to the right place before most other players.

Singleton is also the single best open field tackler we've ever covered, not close, and that skill has translated to the highest level of football. He had more tackles by a large margin in one-on-one situations in the open field than any player in the entire NFL last season. He is an absurdly good, freakish tackler. All of his numbers were secondary to the fact that he has a world-class skill.

And you saw it instantly when he was inserted into his first meaningful game action for MSU when Jody Owens messed up his quad and Singleton had like 3 TFLs right away against Sam Houston State in the playoffs.

It's honestly a shame Singleton played his final few seasons on Bobcat defenses that weren't very good because that impacted his post season awards. He should've been a two-time first-team All-American for sure.

This.

Many were a bit frustrated by those lackluster defenses Colter is talking about. I know less about the ins and outs of football than anyone on this forum, but even I, as a clueless fan, could see that there was one guy out there consistently making tackles when it seemed others were not.
It was Singleton.

[coloradocat]

Is anyone else surprised that Sean's 40 time wasn't better? Man, he torched defenders so many times and looked to be the fastest player on the field at times. Maybe he wasn't 100% on pro day or something.

I might not be remembering well but it seems like a lot of his long runs were the result of truck-sized lanes opened up by the offensive line and by the time the defensive players could get off the blocks he was too far out in front. Always seemed more like a run you over guy rather than a run away from you guy.

[Hawks86]

Some just take a little longer to get goin'.