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I mean this isn't exactly Penn State. Its college assistance coaches at the FCS level getting cited for DUIs. Is it bad? Yes. Should Vigen hold his coaches to a higher standard by making them suffer the consequences? Yes. Should Vigen be let go? No.
With Garza’s most recent DUI I was shocked when he wasn’t let go immediately but understood the legal process needed to play out. In my opinion he should have been let go by the University immediately once the legal end was finalized (if it has been). I’ve truly enjoyed Housewright and what he’s brought to MSU football the past few years. He made a mistake, a stupid one, and we’ve all made them and moved on. But, two coaches with DUI’s in 6 months? It’s absolutely unacceptable for this to be swept under the rug and I truly hope that Coach Vigen addresses this publicly somehow. The players and fans deserve that in my opinion.I’m as big of an MSU football fan and supporter as you’ll meet, but what kind of message is being sent here?!? Seriously, say what you want, but I put this at Vigens feet. These actions may not be his doing, but they could definitely be his un-doing! Vigen is ultimately responsible for setting the tone of the football program, how he approaches this situation could ultimately break him. The optics on this are terrible for MSU and the scrutiny that will be closely following is going to be deserved.
Do all public employees deserve to lose their job for a DUI. Professors, the custodian staff, etc. My guess is they have to treat these coaches the same as they would others on campus. They are more in the public eye, but still under a contract.
Of course not. And they shouldn't. but they arent the public face of the university...they dont make the crazy high salaries that an OC makes, and they weren't driving an MSU issued vehicle.
No way an addict professor should get fired for this. No way Garza or House should be on the sidelines next fall.
"Crazy high salaries". Maybe at FBS schools but certainly not at the FCS level.
Relative to professors, custodians, support staff at MSU. MSU is known for how poorly it pays most staff. I dont recall exactly how much Housewright makes, but I'm reasonably sure its 20-30x what MSU pays adjuncts. At the salty old age of 33.
I would bet against that.
Adjucts make $1500 (give or take) per class. x2-3 classes per term, with 0 benefits. So, yeah, House with bonuses & benefits package is easily 20x.
You are comparing a very part time with a full time position. That's really just trying to cherry pick your stats. Complete apples and Oranges.
The post I was responding to was "Should professors lose their jobs for a DUI".
Many, maybe most professors are adjuncts. Even those who aren't are making maybe $50k at Houewrights age. And, obviously, arent acting as the public face of the university in things like press conferences, recruiting, etc.
Housewright made a big mistake but it doesn’t have anything to do with MSU culture. People drink and not everyone does responsibly. I bet nearly everyone on this site has gotten away with driving under the influence. Let’s hold off on the judgment just because we never got caught.
I bet nobody on this thread has crashed an MSU issued vehicle & left the scene.
You are right, we are all far superior human beings.
Has nothing to do with being a better human. It has to do with the consequences of crashing an MSU issued truck & leaving the scene. THAT is 100% a fixable offense regardless of the DUI.
This isnt a moral judgement. Its a question of "Can this guy do the basic duties required by the job".
Leaving the scene of a crash is a crystal clear "No"...Same with Garza driving 60 down Main. The DUI charges are really a distraction.
So many who have never sinned on this site. Good thing there are lots of rocks in MT.
Just the optics of the discussion.
Most of this could have been private messages between the morals police. Same folks who look down on others who work for a living and get their hands dirty.
On another subject: I am now convinced cat4lyf is a plant to get page views for ad revenue.
Have a nice day.
Thinking a DUI in a school vehicle and leaving the scene warrants a loss of job is just “people who haven’t sinned”?
Good grief. Standards aren’t a bad thing to have. At the end of the day, Housewright is a coach in charge of a group of young people and helping them grow as humans. It’s not all about football.
I’m sure he’s a decent person, but there needs to be consequences for actions. Letting it go sets a bad example for MSU.
You and I dont often agree, but yeah. This is a big deal (assuming that crashing an MSU SUV & leaving the scene is accurate)
I actually don’t have too much of a problem with Mix. I get it. He tried to help his buddy out and grabbed the wrecked vehicle, his mistake was lying to the cops. Unfortunately for him, Housewright might have screwed up two careers.
Seems like not a lot of attorneys or HR staff on here. Are contracts thru end of June. I would expect if cases are resolved we see changes if guilty and if not then let go at end of contract. I am not sure there is anything else they can do.
Having a new coaching staff at the beginning of August, when the season is near starting, is less than ideal.
I actually don’t have too much of a problem with Mix. I get it. He tried to help his buddy out and grabbed the wrecked vehicle, his mistake was lying to the cops. Unfortunately for him, Housewright might have screwed up two careers.
well he was driving with a suspended D/L so that was mistake number one (well actually number 2 as he had to do something to get suspended in the first place) and it went down hill from there. If he gets fired he has no one to blame but himself.
I have a Griz friend who is giving me holy hell over all of this.
Yes, they are tattling to Leon, Vigen, and Waded on Twitter like the little brother they are.
That said, I mean what can we say, it’s a terrible look.
I don'y do twitter but what do you mean they are tattling? pretty sure everyone knows about it already....
Tagging them in Tweets.
Extremely immature fanbase over there. I highly doubt it is because they care about our coaches driving drunk, they just want to internally rock the boat to create more distractions for our athletes and the coaches that have made good decisions. So, just acting like a children.
They are a still begrudged, that they got their PP’s slapped over the Johnson cover up that led to a nice book written about their university.
I have a Griz friend who is giving me holy hell over all of this.
Yes, they are tattling to Leon, Vigen, and Waded on Twitter like the little brother they are.
That said, I mean what can we say, it’s a terrible look.
I don'y do twitter but what do you mean they are tattling? pretty sure everyone knows about it already....
Tagging them in Tweets.
Extremely immature fanbase over there. I highly doubt it is because they care about our coaches driving drunk, they just want to internally rock the boat to create more distractions for our athletes and the coaches that have made good decisions. So, just acting like a children.
They are a still begrudged, that they got their PP’s slapped over the Johnson cover up that led to a nice book written about their university.
I had a gris friend that's a smartass send a few texts so after ignoring a bit I texted back "remind me again which University in our great state has a tell all book about winning at all costs and also has games vacated by the NCAA due to infractions?" Haven't heard back. I'll let you know if I do. Not condoning it at all but glass house etc....
With Garza’s most recent DUI I was shocked when he wasn’t let go immediately but understood the legal process needed to play out. In my opinion he should have been let go by the University immediately once the legal end was finalized (if it has been). I’ve truly enjoyed Housewright and what he’s brought to MSU football the past few years. He made a mistake, a stupid one, and we’ve all made them and moved on. But, two coaches with DUI’s in 6 months? It’s absolutely unacceptable for this to be swept under the rug and I truly hope that Coach Vigen addresses this publicly somehow. The players and fans deserve that in my opinion.I’m as big of an MSU football fan and supporter as you’ll meet, but what kind of message is being sent here?!? Seriously, say what you want, but I put this at Vigens feet. These actions may not be his doing, but they could definitely be his un-doing! Vigen is ultimately responsible for setting the tone of the football program, how he approaches this situation could ultimately break him. The optics on this are terrible for MSU and the scrutiny that will be closely following is going to be deserved.
Do all public employees deserve to lose their job for a DUI. Professors, the custodian staff, etc. My guess is they have to treat these coaches the same as they would others on campus. They are more in the public eye, but still under a contract.
Of course not. And they shouldn't. but they arent the public face of the university...they dont make the crazy high salaries that an OC makes, and they weren't driving an MSU issued vehicle.
No way an addict professor should get fired for this. No way Garza or House should be on the sidelines next fall.
"Crazy high salaries". Maybe at FBS schools but certainly not at the FCS level.
Relative to professors, custodians, support staff at MSU. MSU is known for how poorly it pays most staff. I dont recall exactly how much Housewright makes, but I'm reasonably sure its 20-30x what MSU pays adjuncts. At the salty old age of 33.
I would bet against that.
Adjucts make $1500 (give or take) per class. x2-3 classes per term, with 0 benefits. So, yeah, House with bonuses & benefits package is easily 20x.
You are comparing a very part time with a full time position. That's really just trying to cherry pick your stats. Complete apples and Oranges.
The post I was responding to was "Should professors lose their jobs for a DUI".
Many, maybe most professors are adjuncts. Even those who aren't are making maybe $50k at Houewrights age. And, obviously, arent acting as the public face of the university in things like press conferences, recruiting, etc.
Now you change your parameters. I don't care about the public face part, the problem for me is that he was in fact on the clock and using university equipment. If Waded crashed a university vehicle while drunk, I would advocate firing her. Garza should be pay a price, but I don't think he should be canned.
I actually don’t have too much of a problem with Mix. I get it. He tried to help his buddy out and grabbed the wrecked vehicle, his mistake was lying to the cops. Unfortunately for him, Housewright might have screwed up two careers.
well he was driving with a suspended D/L so that was mistake number one (well actually number 2 as he had to do something to get suspended in the first place) and it went down hill from there. If he gets fired he has no one to blame but himself.
Someone at MSU, whether in Safety & Security, Human Resources, Athletics, or Administration has egg on their face for Mix. For any position that requires driving a vehicle, typically there is a requirement to have the appropriate, valid license. CDL, DL, whatever. Nobody checked.
I actually don’t have too much of a problem with Mix. I get it. He tried to help his buddy out and grabbed the wrecked vehicle, his mistake was lying to the cops. Unfortunately for him, Housewright might have screwed up two careers.
well he was driving with a suspended D/L so that was mistake number one (well actually number 2 as he had to do something to get suspended in the first place) and it went down hill from there. If he gets fired he has no one to blame but himself.
Someone at MSU, whether in Safety & Security, Human Resources, Athletics, or Administration has egg on their face for Mix. For any position that requires driving a vehicle, typically there is a requirement to have the appropriate, valid license. CDL, DL, whatever. Nobody checked.
The car Mix is alleged to have been driving (or claimed to have been driving) is Housewright's courtesy car that was crashed. Mix wouldn't be in a high enough position as RB coach to have a courtesy car himself, so he'd be on his own in terms of transportation. I don't see how MSU would have any role in that.
I actually don’t have too much of a problem with Mix. I get it. He tried to help his buddy out and grabbed the wrecked vehicle, his mistake was lying to the cops. Unfortunately for him, Housewright might have screwed up two careers.
well he was driving with a suspended D/L so that was mistake number one (well actually number 2 as he had to do something to get suspended in the first place) and it went down hill from there. If he gets fired he has no one to blame but himself.
Someone at MSU, whether in Safety & Security, Human Resources, Athletics, or Administration has egg on their face for Mix. For any position that requires driving a vehicle, typically there is a requirement to have the appropriate, valid license. CDL, DL, whatever. Nobody checked.
The car Mix is alleged to have been driving (or claimed to have been driving) is Housewright's courtesy car that was crashed. Mix wouldn't be in a high enough position as RB coach to have a courtesy car himself, so he'd be on his own in terms of transportation. I don't see how MSU would have any role in that.
Agree, and we don't know if they checked or not. May have, and was told couldn't drive. If they did allow him to drive a MSU or courtesy car that would not be a smart decision.
I have a Griz friend who is giving me holy hell over all of this.
Yes, they are tattling to Leon, Vigen, and Waded on Twitter like the little brother they are.
That said, I mean what can we say, it’s a terrible look.
I don'y do twitter but what do you mean they are tattling? pretty sure everyone knows about it already....
Tagging them in Tweets.
Extremely immature fanbase over there. I highly doubt it is because they care about our coaches driving drunk, they just want to internally rock the boat to create more distractions for our athletes and the coaches that have made good decisions. So, just acting like a children.
They are a still begrudged, that they got their PP’s slapped over the Johnson cover up that led to a nice book written about their university.
I'd argue it's WAY more immature for grown men coaches to put their drinking and driving ahead of their fellow coaches and players. That is the issue. Not anonymous message board posters giving us ****** about it. It's just a terrible look.
If you don't think we'd have the exact same comments here if the shoe were on the other foot you're not paying attention to our rivalry.
