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How much money have we wasted on architectural plans that never pan out? I have seen 25 different ideas for our stadium and surrounding buildings in the last 25 years and I don’t think one has been close to what we had designed. Will be interesting to see what, where and when we get any of this stuff. These next few years will be absolutely crucial in the future of our program.
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It sure would be nice to replace the south end zone scoreboard with that video screen. I'm not sure it is possible due to structure issues but having one at both end zones would be cool. Maybe use the $ from the sale of the old one would warrant some sort of upgrade on that end.
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I asked if they were going to put the old scoreboard in the south end zone and they said the were not. I think the scoreboard has seen better days and, technology-wise, has outlived its usefulness.Bobcatsinmso wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:27 amIt sure would be nice to replace the south end zone scoreboard with that video screen. I'm not sure it is possible due to structure issues but having one at both end zones would be cool. Maybe use the $ from the sale of the old one would warrant some sort of upgrade on that end.
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Artistic renderings are crucial to any fundraising campaign for facilities. The money isn't wasted if the final product doesn't look identical to what was shown in the original plans.GoCats18 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:18 amHow much money have we wasted on architectural plans that never pan out? I have seen 25 different ideas for our stadium and surrounding buildings in the last 25 years and I don’t think one has been close to what we had designed. Will be interesting to see what, where and when we get any of this stuff. These next few years will be absolutely crucial in the future of our program.
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Not surprising, it is getting old. I guess a new south end scoreboard will have to go on the Wishlist with the East side renovation a ways down the road.AFCAT wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:34 amI asked if they were going to put the old scoreboard in the south end zone and they said the were not. I think the scoreboard has seen better days and, technology-wise, has outlived its usefulness.Bobcatsinmso wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:27 amIt sure would be nice to replace the south end zone scoreboard with that video screen. I'm not sure it is possible due to structure issues but having one at both end zones would be cool. Maybe use the $ from the sale of the old one would warrant some sort of upgrade on that end.
I am really looking forward to the new system this year however, a much needed improvement. IPF next, upwards and onward...Go Cats!
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That sounds like you're saying false advertising isn't wasted if you can sell the product.MSU01 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:08 pmArtistic renderings are crucial to any fundraising campaign for facilities. The money isn't wasted if the final product doesn't look identical to what was shown in the original plans.GoCats18 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:18 amHow much money have we wasted on architectural plans that never pan out? I have seen 25 different ideas for our stadium and surrounding buildings in the last 25 years and I don’t think one has been close to what we had designed. Will be interesting to see what, where and when we get any of this stuff. These next few years will be absolutely crucial in the future of our program.
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I don't know, how many BAC donors demanded their money back because the final building looked slightly different than what was in the original facilities plan?coloradocat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:56 pmThat sounds like you're saying false advertising isn't wasted if you can sell the product.MSU01 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:08 pmArtistic renderings are crucial to any fundraising campaign for facilities. The money isn't wasted if the final product doesn't look identical to what was shown in the original plans.GoCats18 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:18 amHow much money have we wasted on architectural plans that never pan out? I have seen 25 different ideas for our stadium and surrounding buildings in the last 25 years and I don’t think one has been close to what we had designed. Will be interesting to see what, where and when we get any of this stuff. These next few years will be absolutely crucial in the future of our program.
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I guess what I am getting at is that there seems to always be a lot of hype with what they first put out, only to switch it up several times and build something that seems a little less then what created the hype in the first place. I will never be disappointed that we are building and upgrading our facilities. Sometimes I just think they should stick to what the original plan is/was.MSU01 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:08 pmI don't know, how many BAC donors demanded their money back because the final building looked slightly different than what was in the original facilities plan?coloradocat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:56 pmThat sounds like you're saying false advertising isn't wasted if you can sell the product.MSU01 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:08 pmArtistic renderings are crucial to any fundraising campaign for facilities. The money isn't wasted if the final product doesn't look identical to what was shown in the original plans.GoCats18 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:18 amHow much money have we wasted on architectural plans that never pan out? I have seen 25 different ideas for our stadium and surrounding buildings in the last 25 years and I don’t think one has been close to what we had designed. Will be interesting to see what, where and when we get any of this stuff. These next few years will be absolutely crucial in the future of our program.
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It's always going to be a balancing act between time and money - is it better to build a scaled back version of the IPF now or wait 10 years and build the original version once the additional funding (hopefully) becomes available?GoCats18 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:07 pmI guess what I am getting at is that there seems to always be a lot of hype with what they first put out, only to switch it up several times and build something that seems a little less then what created the hype in the first place. I will never be disappointed that we are building and upgrading our facilities. Sometimes I just think they should stick to what the original plan is/was.MSU01 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:08 pmI don't know, how many BAC donors demanded their money back because the final building looked slightly different than what was in the original facilities plan?coloradocat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:56 pmThat sounds like you're saying false advertising isn't wasted if you can sell the product.MSU01 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:08 pmArtistic renderings are crucial to any fundraising campaign for facilities. The money isn't wasted if the final product doesn't look identical to what was shown in the original plans.GoCats18 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:18 amHow much money have we wasted on architectural plans that never pan out? I have seen 25 different ideas for our stadium and surrounding buildings in the last 25 years and I don’t think one has been close to what we had designed. Will be interesting to see what, where and when we get any of this stuff. These next few years will be absolutely crucial in the future of our program.
It's great for fans to have shiny new buildings to look at, but what's really important is if it gives the MSU athletic programs what they need to continue their unprecedented recent run of success into the future both short-term and long-term. If football is concerned about losing out on potential recruits by not having an IPF while many of its rivals now do have one, then it would seem an unwise decision to wait for more money that might never come or might come much more slowly than we'd like.
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I think it's a way to test the waters. Eweu keeps putting out a stadium upgrade but nothing gets built.GoCats18 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:07 pmI guess what I am getting at is that there seems to always be a lot of hype with what they first put out, only to switch it up several times and build something that seems a little less then what created the hype in the first place. I will never be disappointed that we are building and upgrading our facilities. Sometimes I just think they should stick to what the original plan is/was.MSU01 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:08 pmI don't know, how many BAC donors demanded their money back because the final building looked slightly different than what was in the original facilities plan?coloradocat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:56 pmThat sounds like you're saying false advertising isn't wasted if you can sell the product.MSU01 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:08 pmArtistic renderings are crucial to any fundraising campaign for facilities. The money isn't wasted if the final product doesn't look identical to what was shown in the original plans.GoCats18 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:18 amHow much money have we wasted on architectural plans that never pan out? I have seen 25 different ideas for our stadium and surrounding buildings in the last 25 years and I don’t think one has been close to what we had designed. Will be interesting to see what, where and when we get any of this stuff. These next few years will be absolutely crucial in the future of our program.
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Renderings always look better than photos, which always look worse than seeing in person.
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It seems like the process between the plan and the execution takes so many years that the construction costs go up and the facility is scaled back. It seems that some forward-looking financial analysis could help. “We want to build an IPF starting in four years, and at that time, here’s what it will cost. We will invest all donations as soon as they are received so we only need to collect (something like 85%) of that amount.” At any time when the donations + investments exceed the current construction cost (3 years or whenever) then start building. I really sort of slogged through Engineering Economics, and homework problems like these, at the time, but it has its uses.GoCats18 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:07 pmI guess what I am getting at is that there seems to always be a lot of hype with what they first put out, only to switch it up several times and build something that seems a little less then what created the hype in the first place. I will never be disappointed that we are building and upgrading our facilities. Sometimes I just think they should stick to what the original plan is/was.MSU01 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:08 pmI don't know, how many BAC donors demanded their money back because the final building looked slightly different than what was in the original facilities plan?coloradocat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:56 pmThat sounds like you're saying false advertising isn't wasted if you can sell the product.MSU01 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:08 pmArtistic renderings are crucial to any fundraising campaign for facilities. The money isn't wasted if the final product doesn't look identical to what was shown in the original plans.GoCats18 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:18 amHow much money have we wasted on architectural plans that never pan out? I have seen 25 different ideas for our stadium and surrounding buildings in the last 25 years and I don’t think one has been close to what we had designed. Will be interesting to see what, where and when we get any of this stuff. These next few years will be absolutely crucial in the future of our program.
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In what ways were the BAC and End Zone projects scaled back. Exteriory, the end zone, IMHO, looks better than what I expected. The only thing I don't like about the outer look of the BAC is the side facing the stadium, but that's going to be covered up by end zone seating someday, so it doesn't really matter.Bobcat4Ever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:13 amIt seems like the process between the plan and the execution takes so many years that the construction costs go up and the facility is scaled back. It seems that some forward-looking financial analysis could help. “We want to build an IPF starting in four years, and at that time, here’s what it will cost. We will invest all donations as soon as they are received so we only need to collect (something like 85%) of that amount.” At any time when the donations + investments exceed the current construction cost (3 years or whenever) then start building. I really sort of slogged through Engineering Economics, and homework problems like these, at the time, but it has its uses.GoCats18 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:07 pmI guess what I am getting at is that there seems to always be a lot of hype with what they first put out, only to switch it up several times and build something that seems a little less then what created the hype in the first place. I will never be disappointed that we are building and upgrading our facilities. Sometimes I just think they should stick to what the original plan is/was.MSU01 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:08 pmI don't know, how many BAC donors demanded their money back because the final building looked slightly different than what was in the original facilities plan?coloradocat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:56 pmThat sounds like you're saying false advertising isn't wasted if you can sell the product.MSU01 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:08 pmArtistic renderings are crucial to any fundraising campaign for facilities. The money isn't wasted if the final product doesn't look identical to what was shown in the original plans.GoCats18 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:18 amHow much money have we wasted on architectural plans that never pan out? I have seen 25 different ideas for our stadium and surrounding buildings in the last 25 years and I don’t think one has been close to what we had designed. Will be interesting to see what, where and when we get any of this stuff. These next few years will be absolutely crucial in the future of our program.
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I agree, but as far as I can tell, just the bottom half of the BAC will be covered by any future end zone seating. The window portion will still be visible and I don’t think it will look bad at all. The key will be what they do with the East grandstands. Once the East stands are done and BAC end zone is completed, the stadium will look pretty sweet.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:29 pmIn what ways were the BAC and End Zone projects scaled back. Exteriory, the end zone, IMHO, looks better than what I expected. The only thing I don't like about the outer look of the BAC is the side facing the stadium, but that's going to be covered up by end zone seating someday, so it doesn't really matter.Bobcat4Ever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:13 amIt seems like the process between the plan and the execution takes so many years that the construction costs go up and the facility is scaled back. It seems that some forward-looking financial analysis could help. “We want to build an IPF starting in four years, and at that time, here’s what it will cost. We will invest all donations as soon as they are received so we only need to collect (something like 85%) of that amount.” At any time when the donations + investments exceed the current construction cost (3 years or whenever) then start building. I really sort of slogged through Engineering Economics, and homework problems like these, at the time, but it has its uses.GoCats18 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:07 pmI guess what I am getting at is that there seems to always be a lot of hype with what they first put out, only to switch it up several times and build something that seems a little less then what created the hype in the first place. I will never be disappointed that we are building and upgrading our facilities. Sometimes I just think they should stick to what the original plan is/was.MSU01 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:08 pmI don't know, how many BAC donors demanded their money back because the final building looked slightly different than what was in the original facilities plan?coloradocat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:56 pmThat sounds like you're saying false advertising isn't wasted if you can sell the product.MSU01 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:08 pmArtistic renderings are crucial to any fundraising campaign for facilities. The money isn't wasted if the final product doesn't look identical to what was shown in the original plans.GoCats18 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:18 amHow much money have we wasted on architectural plans that never pan out? I have seen 25 different ideas for our stadium and surrounding buildings in the last 25 years and I don’t think one has been close to what we had designed. Will be interesting to see what, where and when we get any of this stuff. These next few years will be absolutely crucial in the future of our program.
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I always thought the plan was to put the new video board on top of the BAC and demo the columns. Seems like they will be in the way when the seating goes in. It would look a lot cleaner too in my opinion.
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I still want the premium tailgate section on top of the bac! Have the new recruits go from the back to the rooftop tailgate.joe_montana_state wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:26 pmI always thought the plan was to put the new video board on top of the BAC and demo the columns. Seems like they will be in the way when the seating goes in. It would look a lot cleaner too in my opinion.
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I think the north end zone seating is way low on the priority list if it even happens at all. Is it worth putting in 6 or 8 rows, keeping it below the second floor BAC windows? Just upgrade the East grandstands and modify the West grandstands so both somehow mesh with the SEZ and call it good.
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The end zone project includes closing in the corners to "bowl" in the stadium. That would be a big addition since the east side remodel doesn't add many if any seats.Mtcatfan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:32 pmI think the north end zone seating is way low on the priority list if it even happens at all. Is it worth putting in 6 or 8 rows, keeping it below the second floor BAC windows? Just upgrade the East grandstands and modify the West grandstands so both somehow mesh with the SEZ and call it good.
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Football is making way too much money off of the cabanas. I have a feeling, you'll never see stands in that end zone. Hell, that's where Nick Faldo hangs out.
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Ok that would make sense then.gtapp wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:00 pmThe end zone project includes closing in the corners to "bowl" in the stadium. That would be a big addition since the east side remodel doesn't add many if any seats.Mtcatfan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:32 pmI think the north end zone seating is way low on the priority list if it even happens at all. Is it worth putting in 6 or 8 rows, keeping it below the second floor BAC windows? Just upgrade the East grandstands and modify the West grandstands so both somehow mesh with the SEZ and call it good.