Injuries?

[kennethnoisewater]

Is it just me, or is the spate of injuries last year and this a little out of the usual? We’ve had plenty of players both years not even make it out of camp and to the games. Lots and lots of surgeries. I know strength and conditioning has a lot to do with it and we pretty quietly (it seemed) turned over that department awhile back. And what of over-use? Is all this “double-repping” along with which are said to be more physical practices simply wearing our guys out? I’m just trying to understand why we’re continuing to maintain the rate of pretty serious injuries.

For strength and conditioning to be effective 2 things have to be present: 1) Eating the right kinds of food and the right amount of food that fit your goals and 2) Working out with INTENSITY. We used to define intensity as throwing up or passing out. Well I am not saying you need to do either but you have to push your body near it's limits to get any benefit. When you do that 3 things can happen: 1) You move closer to your goals (faster, stronger, bigger, quicker), 2) you get injured or 3) you fatigue the muscle, joint, tendon, etc. It's this last one that becomes a concern because you can't tell it is happening. You feel good and then one wrong move in practice, a game, walking to class and bang something goes. I think there are 105 players on the football team. It is impossible to design a workout(s) to put everyone in a position to get better. Every single body is different and sometimes that means a player will get hurt and it could be directly or indirectly related to his workout. That is what makes this job so hard to do. I trust our strength and conditioning staff because I believe the new head trainer came from Dane Fletchers gym and I know Dane knows his stuff (especially as it relates to football). Injuries are such a crap shoot. They come in waves and I am not sure any program has figured out how to prevent them.

I know at least a couple guys are going to a place called Stretch Lab in Bozeman to focus on flexibility in addition to their strength. It seems like that's been a big part of Tom Brady's ability to stay healthy. But you're right...it is a total crapshoot. I'm sure there are things that some programs do that lead to more injuries, but even in the NFL where they have the best training staffs and strength staffs, you see guys going down all the time. It's just nice for them that they have practice squads to draw from and can pick somebody up off waivers to fill spots.

Nobody will every convince me that Tom Brady isn't on some expensive cocktail drugs that can't be detected yet. That just isn't normal at all.

Yeah I think that's fair. I know they've changed the rules a lot to protect quarterbacks and I know he's a freak about his health, but you'd have to think in 23 seasons he'd have been a little more beat up.

[91catAlum]

How many did the Gris lose last year? 3? 4?

Not in week 2...

[Cat Grad]

Is it just me, or is the spate of injuries last year and this a little out of the usual? We’ve had plenty of players both years not even make it out of camp and to the games. Lots and lots of surgeries. I know strength and conditioning has a lot to do with it and we pretty quietly (it seemed) turned over that department awhile back. And what of over-use? Is all this “double-repping” along with which are said to be more physical practices simply wearing our guys out? I’m just trying to understand why we’re continuing to maintain the rate of pretty serious injuries.

For strength and conditioning to be effective 2 things have to be present: 1) Eating the right kinds of food and the right amount of food that fit your goals and 2) Working out with INTENSITY. We used to define intensity as throwing up or passing out. Well I am not saying you need to do either but you have to push your body near it's limits to get any benefit. When you do that 3 things can happen: 1) You move closer to your goals (faster, stronger, bigger, quicker), 2) you get injured or 3) you fatigue the muscle, joint, tendon, etc. It's this last one that becomes a concern because you can't tell it is happening. You feel good and then one wrong move in practice, a game, walking to class and bang something goes. I think there are 105 players on the football team. It is impossible to design a workout(s) to put everyone in a position to get better. Every single body is different and sometimes that means a player will get hurt and it could be directly or indirectly related to his workout. That is what makes this job so hard to do. I trust our strength and conditioning staff because I believe the new head trainer came from Dane Fletchers gym and I know Dane knows his stuff (especially as it relates to football). Injuries are such a crap shoot. They come in waves and I am not sure any program has figured out how to prevent them.

I know at least a couple guys are going to a place called Stretch Lab in Bozeman to focus on flexibility in addition to their strength. It seems like that's been a big part of Tom Brady's ability to stay healthy. But you're right...it is a total crapshoot. I'm sure there are things that some programs do that lead to more injuries, but even in the NFL where they have the best training staffs and strength staffs, you see guys going down all the time. It's just nice for them that they have practice squads to draw from and can pick somebody up off waivers to fill spots.

Nobody will every convince me that Tom Brady isn't on some expensive cocktail drugs that can't be detected yet. That just isn't normal at all.

Yeah I think that's fair. I know they've changed the rules a lot to protect quarterbacks and I know he's a freak about his health, but you'd have to think in 23 seasons he'd have been a little more beat up.

Oh, come on!

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[BelligerentBobcat]

Is it just me, or is the spate of injuries last year and this a little out of the usual? We’ve had plenty of players both years not even make it out of camp and to the games. Lots and lots of surgeries. I know strength and conditioning has a lot to do with it and we pretty quietly (it seemed) turned over that department awhile back. And what of over-use? Is all this “double-repping” along with which are said to be more physical practices simply wearing our guys out? I’m just trying to understand why we’re continuing to maintain the rate of pretty serious injuries.

For strength and conditioning to be effective 2 things have to be present: 1) Eating the right kinds of food and the right amount of food that fit your goals and 2) Working out with INTENSITY. We used to define intensity as throwing up or passing out. Well I am not saying you need to do either but you have to push your body near it's limits to get any benefit. When you do that 3 things can happen: 1) You move closer to your goals (faster, stronger, bigger, quicker), 2) you get injured or 3) you fatigue the muscle, joint, tendon, etc. It's this last one that becomes a concern because you can't tell it is happening. You feel good and then one wrong move in practice, a game, walking to class and bang something goes. I think there are 105 players on the football team. It is impossible to design a workout(s) to put everyone in a position to get better. Every single body is different and sometimes that means a player will get hurt and it could be directly or indirectly related to his workout. That is what makes this job so hard to do. I trust our strength and conditioning staff because I believe the new head trainer came from Dane Fletchers gym and I know Dane knows his stuff (especially as it relates to football). Injuries are such a crap shoot. They come in waves and I am not sure any program has figured out how to prevent them.

I know at least a couple guys are going to a place called Stretch Lab in Bozeman to focus on flexibility in addition to their strength. It seems like that's been a big part of Tom Brady's ability to stay healthy. But you're right...it is a total crapshoot. I'm sure there are things that some programs do that lead to more injuries, but even in the NFL where they have the best training staffs and strength staffs, you see guys going down all the time. It's just nice for them that they have practice squads to draw from and can pick somebody up off waivers to fill spots.

Nobody will every convince me that Tom Brady isn't on some expensive cocktail drugs that can't be detected yet. That just isn't normal at all.

Yeah I think that's fair. I know they've changed the rules a lot to protect quarterbacks and I know he's a freak about his health, but you'd have to think in 23 seasons he'd have been a little more beat up.

It's not even the injuries for me. His arm is performing as well at 45 as it did at 25. That's just not natural, and I don't believe that stretching is responsible for that. With that said, I also believe few players are as diligent as Brady is with his body.

[kennethnoisewater]

Is it just me, or is the spate of injuries last year and this a little out of the usual? We’ve had plenty of players both years not even make it out of camp and to the games. Lots and lots of surgeries. I know strength and conditioning has a lot to do with it and we pretty quietly (it seemed) turned over that department awhile back. And what of over-use? Is all this “double-repping” along with which are said to be more physical practices simply wearing our guys out? I’m just trying to understand why we’re continuing to maintain the rate of pretty serious injuries.

For strength and conditioning to be effective 2 things have to be present: 1) Eating the right kinds of food and the right amount of food that fit your goals and 2) Working out with INTENSITY. We used to define intensity as throwing up or passing out. Well I am not saying you need to do either but you have to push your body near it's limits to get any benefit. When you do that 3 things can happen: 1) You move closer to your goals (faster, stronger, bigger, quicker), 2) you get injured or 3) you fatigue the muscle, joint, tendon, etc. It's this last one that becomes a concern because you can't tell it is happening. You feel good and then one wrong move in practice, a game, walking to class and bang something goes. I think there are 105 players on the football team. It is impossible to design a workout(s) to put everyone in a position to get better. Every single body is different and sometimes that means a player will get hurt and it could be directly or indirectly related to his workout. That is what makes this job so hard to do. I trust our strength and conditioning staff because I believe the new head trainer came from Dane Fletchers gym and I know Dane knows his stuff (especially as it relates to football). Injuries are such a crap shoot. They come in waves and I am not sure any program has figured out how to prevent them.

I know at least a couple guys are going to a place called Stretch Lab in Bozeman to focus on flexibility in addition to their strength. It seems like that's been a big part of Tom Brady's ability to stay healthy. But you're right...it is a total crapshoot. I'm sure there are things that some programs do that lead to more injuries, but even in the NFL where they have the best training staffs and strength staffs, you see guys going down all the time. It's just nice for them that they have practice squads to draw from and can pick somebody up off waivers to fill spots.

Nobody will every convince me that Tom Brady isn't on some expensive cocktail drugs that can't be detected yet. That just isn't normal at all.

Yeah I think that's fair. I know they've changed the rules a lot to protect quarterbacks and I know he's a freak about his health, but you'd have to think in 23 seasons he'd have been a little more beat up.

Oh, come on!

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I've had that many injuries mowing my lawn in the last 23 years!

[Cat Grad]

Is it just me, or is the spate of injuries last year and this a little out of the usual? We’ve had plenty of players both years not even make it out of camp and to the games. Lots and lots of surgeries. I know strength and conditioning has a lot to do with it and we pretty quietly (it seemed) turned over that department awhile back. And what of over-use? Is all this “double-repping” along with which are said to be more physical practices simply wearing our guys out? I’m just trying to understand why we’re continuing to maintain the rate of pretty serious injuries.

For strength and conditioning to be effective 2 things have to be present: 1) Eating the right kinds of food and the right amount of food that fit your goals and 2) Working out with INTENSITY. We used to define intensity as throwing up or passing out. Well I am not saying you need to do either but you have to push your body near it's limits to get any benefit. When you do that 3 things can happen: 1) You move closer to your goals (faster, stronger, bigger, quicker), 2) you get injured or 3) you fatigue the muscle, joint, tendon, etc. It's this last one that becomes a concern because you can't tell it is happening. You feel good and then one wrong move in practice, a game, walking to class and bang something goes. I think there are 105 players on the football team. It is impossible to design a workout(s) to put everyone in a position to get better. Every single body is different and sometimes that means a player will get hurt and it could be directly or indirectly related to his workout. That is what makes this job so hard to do. I trust our strength and conditioning staff because I believe the new head trainer came from Dane Fletchers gym and I know Dane knows his stuff (especially as it relates to football). Injuries are such a crap shoot. They come in waves and I am not sure any program has figured out how to prevent them.

I know at least a couple guys are going to a place called Stretch Lab in Bozeman to focus on flexibility in addition to their strength. It seems like that's been a big part of Tom Brady's ability to stay healthy. But you're right...it is a total crapshoot. I'm sure there are things that some programs do that lead to more injuries, but even in the NFL where they have the best training staffs and strength staffs, you see guys going down all the time. It's just nice for them that they have practice squads to draw from and can pick somebody up off waivers to fill spots.

Nobody will every convince me that Tom Brady isn't on some expensive cocktail drugs that can't be detected yet. That just isn't normal at all.

Yeah I think that's fair. I know they've changed the rules a lot to protect quarterbacks and I know he's a freak about his health, but you'd have to think in 23 seasons he'd have been a little more beat up.

Oh, come on!

https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/inj ... -brady/753



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnew ... uccaneers/

I've had that many injuries mowing my lawn in the last 23 years!

Don't spend all day at the Sitting Duck or the old bowling alley that's been converted before getting on the riding mower then! Those yards can be a bit tricky where some of the houses are built!

[kennethnoisewater]

Is it just me, or is the spate of injuries last year and this a little out of the usual? We’ve had plenty of players both years not even make it out of camp and to the games. Lots and lots of surgeries. I know strength and conditioning has a lot to do with it and we pretty quietly (it seemed) turned over that department awhile back. And what of over-use? Is all this “double-repping” along with which are said to be more physical practices simply wearing our guys out? I’m just trying to understand why we’re continuing to maintain the rate of pretty serious injuries.

For strength and conditioning to be effective 2 things have to be present: 1) Eating the right kinds of food and the right amount of food that fit your goals and 2) Working out with INTENSITY. We used to define intensity as throwing up or passing out. Well I am not saying you need to do either but you have to push your body near it's limits to get any benefit. When you do that 3 things can happen: 1) You move closer to your goals (faster, stronger, bigger, quicker), 2) you get injured or 3) you fatigue the muscle, joint, tendon, etc. It's this last one that becomes a concern because you can't tell it is happening. You feel good and then one wrong move in practice, a game, walking to class and bang something goes. I think there are 105 players on the football team. It is impossible to design a workout(s) to put everyone in a position to get better. Every single body is different and sometimes that means a player will get hurt and it could be directly or indirectly related to his workout. That is what makes this job so hard to do. I trust our strength and conditioning staff because I believe the new head trainer came from Dane Fletchers gym and I know Dane knows his stuff (especially as it relates to football). Injuries are such a crap shoot. They come in waves and I am not sure any program has figured out how to prevent them.

I know at least a couple guys are going to a place called Stretch Lab in Bozeman to focus on flexibility in addition to their strength. It seems like that's been a big part of Tom Brady's ability to stay healthy. But you're right...it is a total crapshoot. I'm sure there are things that some programs do that lead to more injuries, but even in the NFL where they have the best training staffs and strength staffs, you see guys going down all the time. It's just nice for them that they have practice squads to draw from and can pick somebody up off waivers to fill spots.

Nobody will every convince me that Tom Brady isn't on some expensive cocktail drugs that can't be detected yet. That just isn't normal at all.

Yeah I think that's fair. I know they've changed the rules a lot to protect quarterbacks and I know he's a freak about his health, but you'd have to think in 23 seasons he'd have been a little more beat up.

Oh, come on!

https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/inj ... -brady/753



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnew ... uccaneers/

I've had that many injuries mowing my lawn in the last 23 years!

Don't spend all day at the Sitting Duck or the old bowling alley that's been converted before getting on the riding mower then! Those yards can be a bit tricky where some of the houses are built!

Shockingly accurate. That's good advice!

[Cat Grad]

Is it just me, or is the spate of injuries last year and this a little out of the usual? We’ve had plenty of players both years not even make it out of camp and to the games. Lots and lots of surgeries. I know strength and conditioning has a lot to do with it and we pretty quietly (it seemed) turned over that department awhile back. And what of over-use? Is all this “double-repping” along with which are said to be more physical practices simply wearing our guys out? I’m just trying to understand why we’re continuing to maintain the rate of pretty serious injuries.

For strength and conditioning to be effective 2 things have to be present: 1) Eating the right kinds of food and the right amount of food that fit your goals and 2) Working out with INTENSITY. We used to define intensity as throwing up or passing out. Well I am not saying you need to do either but you have to push your body near it's limits to get any benefit. When you do that 3 things can happen: 1) You move closer to your goals (faster, stronger, bigger, quicker), 2) you get injured or 3) you fatigue the muscle, joint, tendon, etc. It's this last one that becomes a concern because you can't tell it is happening. You feel good and then one wrong move in practice, a game, walking to class and bang something goes. I think there are 105 players on the football team. It is impossible to design a workout(s) to put everyone in a position to get better. Every single body is different and sometimes that means a player will get hurt and it could be directly or indirectly related to his workout. That is what makes this job so hard to do. I trust our strength and conditioning staff because I believe the new head trainer came from Dane Fletchers gym and I know Dane knows his stuff (especially as it relates to football). Injuries are such a crap shoot. They come in waves and I am not sure any program has figured out how to prevent them.

I know at least a couple guys are going to a place called Stretch Lab in Bozeman to focus on flexibility in addition to their strength. It seems like that's been a big part of Tom Brady's ability to stay healthy. But you're right...it is a total crapshoot. I'm sure there are things that some programs do that lead to more injuries, but even in the NFL where they have the best training staffs and strength staffs, you see guys going down all the time. It's just nice for them that they have practice squads to draw from and can pick somebody up off waivers to fill spots.

Nobody will every convince me that Tom Brady isn't on some expensive cocktail drugs that can't be detected yet. That just isn't normal at all.

Yeah I think that's fair. I know they've changed the rules a lot to protect quarterbacks and I know he's a freak about his health, but you'd have to think in 23 seasons he'd have been a little more beat up.

Oh, come on!

https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/inj ... -brady/753



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnew ... uccaneers/

I've had that many injuries mowing my lawn in the last 23 years!

Don't spend all day at the Sitting Duck or the old bowling alley that's been converted before getting on the riding mower then! Those yards can be a bit tricky where some of the houses are built!

Shockingly accurate. That's good advice!

In actuality, I've been amazed at how tough some people are (pain tolerance level?) such as some distance runners especially and as those two articles demonstarte, Tom Brady. Garrison Hearst blew a knee out in high school, played all through college and several years in the NFL before having surgery. Lots of examples. Paul Shafer. Chip Hobbs.

[CelticCat]

Vigen made it official that Williams is done, tough break for the kid.
Jared White's injury is "serious" but they'll know more. I assume he's out for at least a month.

I'm guessing the coaching staff is working 1-2 guys out at RB this week that aren't listed at RB. They gave Tayvian Williams a go against Morehead State. I'm guessing there is one or two other guys on the roster that no one expects that will get some reps in practice this week.

Looking through the roster:
Miles Jackson played RB in high school, 152 carries for 1,254 yards and 17 touchdowns
Aiden Parks ran the ball 111 times in high school

bleh

[84CatGrad]

This RB situation is crazy. I can’t remember a position group ever having this bad of luck for an ENTIRE SEASON, let alone the first 2 games….

Unbelievable.

I hope garret coon is ready to go this week.

The DL in about 2014 or 2015.

The OL in about 2011.

But, yeah. Its ugly for sure.

Except the "DL" and "OL" are not 1 position. Imagine losing 4 Nose tackles, or 4 centers, and you have our situation at RB.

Losing Valdez, and then someone almost as good, then another almost as good, then another almost as good, Is a wild thought.

Knock on wood.

[kwcat]

I am curious in regards to the injury bug about nutrition. I know we have nutrition stations and I know that the coaching staff is well pleased with the strength training. What I am referring to is nutrition for bones and tendons such as Collagen’s and the like. Not an expert. But at my age I’ve definitely noticed a difference since I’ve improved my nutrition in those areas. My job is very physical

[TomCat88]

Vigen made it official that Williams is done, tough break for the kid.
Jared White's injury is "serious" but they'll know more. I assume he's out for at least a month.

I'm guessing the coaching staff is working 1-2 guys out at RB this week that aren't listed at RB. They gave Tayvian Williams a go against Morehead State. I'm guessing there is one or two other guys on the roster that no one expects that will get some reps in practice this week.

Looking through the roster:
Miles Jackson played RB in high school, 152 carries for 1,254 yards and 17 touchdowns
Aiden Parks ran the ball 111 times in high school

bleh

Pretty sure White broke his leg.

[CelticCat]

Is it too late to call anyone back from this:

https://twitter.com/MSUBobcats_FB/statu ... 1185112067

[ND0479]

I wish Hosey would've stayed.

[duelalumnicat]

Did Coach Vigen say that Garrett Coon is not available? Is that due to injury? Or academics? Will he be available later in the season?

[CelticCat]

Coon is available, sounds like he had been nursing something but should be good for Oregon State.

[91catAlum]

Per Vigen's presser today:
Coon practiced today and will be available.
Lane Sumner still hurt, will not play this week.
Jared White will be out a minimum of 2 months, possibly the season.
Simeon Woodard will be back this week.

[luckyirishguy25]

Vigen made it official that Williams is done, tough break for the kid.
Jared White's injury is "serious" but they'll know more. I assume he's out for at least a month.

I'm guessing the coaching staff is working 1-2 guys out at RB this week that aren't listed at RB. They gave Tayvian Williams a go against Morehead State. I'm guessing there is one or two other guys on the roster that no one expects that will get some reps in practice this week.

Looking through the roster:
Miles Jackson played RB in high school, 152 carries for 1,254 yards and 17 touchdowns
Aiden Parks ran the ball 111 times in high school

bleh

Pretty sure White broke his leg.

Jesus...

[Cat Grad]

Is it just me, or is the spate of injuries last year and this a little out of the usual? We’ve had plenty of players both years not even make it out of camp and to the games. Lots and lots of surgeries. I know strength and conditioning has a lot to do with it and we pretty quietly (it seemed) turned over that department awhile back. And what of over-use? Is all this “double-repping” along with which are said to be more physical practices simply wearing our guys out? I’m just trying to understand why we’re continuing to maintain the rate of pretty serious injuries.

For strength and conditioning to be effective 2 things have to be present: 1) Eating the right kinds of food and the right amount of food that fit your goals and 2) Working out with INTENSITY. We used to define intensity as throwing up or passing out. Well I am not saying you need to do either but you have to push your body near it's limits to get any benefit. When you do that 3 things can happen: 1) You move closer to your goals (faster, stronger, bigger, quicker), 2) you get injured or 3) you fatigue the muscle, joint, tendon, etc. It's this last one that becomes a concern because you can't tell it is happening. You feel good and then one wrong move in practice, a game, walking to class and bang something goes. I think there are 105 players on the football team. It is impossible to design a workout(s) to put everyone in a position to get better. Every single body is different and sometimes that means a player will get hurt and it could be directly or indirectly related to his workout. That is what makes this job so hard to do. I trust our strength and conditioning staff because I believe the new head trainer came from Dane Fletchers gym and I know Dane knows his stuff (especially as it relates to football). Injuries are such a crap shoot. They come in waves and I am not sure any program has figured out how to prevent them.

I know at least a couple guys are going to a place called Stretch Lab in Bozeman to focus on flexibility in addition to their strength. It seems like that's been a big part of Tom Brady's ability to stay healthy. But you're right...it is a total crapshoot. I'm sure there are things that some programs do that lead to more injuries, but even in the NFL where they have the best training staffs and strength staffs, you see guys going down all the time. It's just nice for them that they have practice squads to draw from and can pick somebody up off waivers to fill spots.

Nobody will every convince me that Tom Brady isn't on some expensive cocktail drugs that can't be detected yet. That just isn't normal at all.

Yeah I think that's fair. I know they've changed the rules a lot to protect quarterbacks and I know he's a freak about his health, but you'd have to think in 23 seasons he'd have been a little more beat up.

It's not even the injuries for me. His arm is performing as well at 45 as it did at 25. That's just not natural, and I don't believe that stretching is responsible for that. With that said, I also believe few players are as diligent as Brady is with his body.

Argumentive, what do you suppose Branch Brady or Tom Ferch is doing?

[VimSince03]

Per Vigen's presser today:
Coon practiced today and will be available.
Lane Sumner still hurt, will not play this week.
Jared White will be out a minimum of 2 months, possibly the season.
Simeon Woodard will be back this week.

Yeah I guess the silver lining with White is that we now get to redshirt him.