iaafan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:38 pm
ilovethecats wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:53 am
iaafan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 6:58 am
catatac wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:15 pm
kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:35 am
ilovethecats wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:32 am
Don't have an issue with it. Griz were a good football team last year and pounded us head to head. I fully expect us to be #1 and #2 in the league in either order. It's just a guys opinion and talking fodder. Guys still gotta play, coaches still gotta coach. I wouldn't be shocked if the griz are champs, and certainly wouldn't be surprised if the Cats are.
Personally I don't care. One of us will win the league. However, I'm more concerned with someone stepping up and beating NDSU. I'm not sure either team has that ability, but we have nearly a year to figure it out.
I'm with you. I do think there's a love fest that I sometimes don't understand with the gris, especially when they have a lot of question marks, but it doesn't matter that much. Obviously we've seen that it's not vital to win the BSC and still get a good seed, so if both teams are in the top five it's a little bit of a moot point. And maybe it helps to keep playing the disrespect card. Choate capitalized on it all the time. Playing with a chip on your shoulder is better than playing as a front runner, IMO.
Ya, I agree 100%. I hate them as much as the next guy but they beat the Huskies as a relatively healthy team, then thumped EWU and the CATS, and got beat by a damn tough JMU team... and I know the fan base is all about whining about injuries but they did get hit pretty hard with the injury bug. Make no mistake, Bobby will have them competing at a high level come Fall. Vigen has to prove he can beat the bitter rival Griz, and thankfully in 2022 we get them in our place and I predict an atmosphere like Cat\Griz in 2019, or SDSU last year and that should propel the Cats over the top.
But no, neither team can compete with NDSU currently.
I couldn’t disagree more.
A) Injuries: gris have poor depth.
B) Beat UW: UW sucked balls. One of their worst teams in history.
C) Beat EWU: also lost to EWU. (MSU beat EWU in Cheney)
D) Beat MSU: in the pre-Mellott Era.
E) lost to SAC: (a weak side of the bracket team) at home.
F) barely beat SUU: (arguably the worst team in the BSC) at home.
G) Robby is a senior: Bobby will retire after this season - unfortunately for the rest of the BSC.
H) no quarterback: again.
I) MSU can compete with NDSU: gris cannot.
For all the love some on here some give Hauck he still has zero depth, hasn’t won the BSC since returning, no QB, seems to have only returned to ensure his kid plays, struggles to win at home, runs a gimmick defense that only excels against bad offenses.
This is a slippery slope as I always feel a bit dirty defending the griz. But I think nearly all of your points could be logically argued.
A) I don't know their roster top to bottom. But I haven't heard anyone question their depth. With all of the injuries they had last season, in my eyes they got kids valuable time, and had a good season. I assume that will bode well for them this year just like it will the Cats.
B)A win is a win against FBS in my eyes. Especially on the road. Had we beaten Wyoming I would have been ecstatic.
C) Lost to EWU, but beat them when it mattered. Again, if the tables were turned and the Cats did that I'd be singing their praises.
D) Mellott era, not Mellott era, I don't care. They beat our asses that day. If the Cats are as good as I thought they were last year, beating us in the manner they did was impressive.
E) I agree with this. No matter how many times griz fans say it, Sac just wasn't that good. Hence them getting killed the first round in the playoffs to a team the Cats later beat. Tired of hearing how good that team was. They weren't.
F) Agree with this too. But we barely beat Idaho too. It happens. Even to solid football teams.
G) I have no insight on this whatsoever, but I don't see Bobby leaving just because his son graduates. He's a god in Missoula. If he feels he has there program on the cusp like I happen to think he does, I don't see him going anywhere. That guy could go winless and wouldn't be on the hot seat. He's the 2nd coming and will only leave when he wants to leave.
H) As a Cat fan, I will never, EVER; call out another team for their QB situation and how they handle it. We were excited about our dropdown last season, and they are excited for theirs this season. No reason they shouldn't be. Doesn't guarantee success as we know, but to already write him off before he takes a snap doesn't fly in my personal opinion. They just may have a great QB. Who knows?
I) When the Cats compete with NDSU even one time, I'll start believing it. As of this moment the griz have beaten a very good NDSU team, and the Cats have gotten rolled by very good NDSU teams.
That's all I have. Going to go take a shower....
a) if you're claiming injuries have sidetracked your season, then you must not have very good depth. It's not like they were injured into their third backup. MSU had a lot of injuries to key players but kept on rolling. Ifanse, Benson, Rygg, Session, Sumner, Andersen, O'Reilly, Campbell, Okada, ...
b) go ahead be ecstatic, I will, too, but history shows that beating an FBS team doesn't always mean much.
c) is this just about what we would do if we won? I don't see how it's relevant. My points are that beating EWU (and these other points that catatac brought up and losing to EWU one season isn't anything to write home about. MSU was 1-0 (and statistically trounced EWU); gris were 1-1. 1-0 is better. I'm confident that if MSU played EWU again at home in the playoffs it would win and be 2-0.
d) Beating MSU with McKay in vs Mellott just isn't the same. Beat our asses that day or not, I'm very confident they wouldn't have beat us if Mellot was playing. And I wouldn't be too confident if MSU had beaten UM, then they brought in Dave Dickenson and went to the national title game. Taht would most certainly dampen my spirits.
g) I don't think he's on the hot seat. I just don't think he's all that inspired and when his son is gone, I don't see him sticking around.
h) they didn't have a qb last year and don't appear to have one this year. It doens't matter what MSU's or EWU's or NDSU's history is.
i) MSU can compete with NDSU. They would have if Mellott and Benson aren't out last year (we didn't have enough depth in that game) and they will this year if they play. I don't think UM in its current state can compete with NDSU. They just don't have the personnel and that defense would get annihilated. I don't see how UM beating NDSU almost a decade ago makes anyone think that applies to today.
We're talking about the upcoming season and why it's not crazy for the griz to be ranked ahead of us. As a homer I have the cats one and griz two, but it's not like they picked NCU over us.
My comment about depth this upcoming season had to do with the injuries they faced last year. They had a lot of young guys get very meaningful playing time, which should bode well for their depth this upcoming season. I don't know their roster well, maybe someone like Vim or Tom could chime in. But this is the first I have heard about depth concerns for them this year.
In regards to EWU, I understand that 1-1 is not as good as 1-0. I'm not good at math, but I understand that. But you used the fact that they lost to EWU as one of the reasons you're not confident in them this year. I simply pointed out they beat them as well. Seems like if you can use the loss to prove your point, I can use their win over the same team to prove why they might not be bad this year.
They didn't seem to have a QB last season. As a Cat fan, I'm all to aware of what that's like. It's been ages since I felt like we had "that guy" behind center. I hope Mellott can be that for us without having to run 30 times a game. I don't know how one could already claim they don't appear to have one this season. I think their dropdown could be very good for them. That we won't know until the season plays out, which is why I'm not ready to use that position as another reason they won't be good this season.
Finally, you and anyone else can say we can compete with NDSU. No one wants that to be true more than me. But at some point, we actually have to do it before claiming it to be true. I don't know how anyone can claim with a straight face that we CAN compete with NDSU, and the griz CAN'T compete with NDSU. We all want it to be the case. I hope and pray it's the case.
In theory, none of this stuff we're talking about is relevant to next season. But I'd say the griz beating a very good NDSU team 7 years ago, smack in the middle of NDSU's dominating title run, at least warrants discussion on why it is we can compete with them but there is no way the griz can compete with them. And to be fair, I'm not convinced ANY team can compete with them until I see a team do that. But I have not seen anything to boldly claim we can and they can't. Gotta see it with my own eyes one of these games. Praying I get to!