They do have enter the portal first technically. Lots of coaches are having players reach out to guys they know and gauge their interest/recruit them and let them know there's scholarship waiting for them.Bobcat4Ever wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:00 amI thought a player had to declare their decision to transfer before another school could contact/recruit them? NCAA has no “tampering” rules?ibleedblue wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:32 pmUnfortunately the FCS is becoming the minor leagues for FBS. Ifanse was being actively recruited by Nebraska recently. I have a feeling some other FBS programs who need a good RB will do the same.
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Yes but it's not hard to get around from what I've read.Bobcat4Ever wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:00 amI thought a player had to declare their decision to transfer before another school could contact/recruit them? NCAA has no “tampering” rules?ibleedblue wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:32 pmUnfortunately the FCS is becoming the minor leagues for FBS. Ifanse was being actively recruited by Nebraska recently. I have a feeling some other FBS programs who need a good RB will do the same.
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From what I've read and heard, it's the players and team supporters that have been reaching out now. That's how they get around the rule.Bobcat4Ever wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:00 amI thought a player had to declare their decision to transfer before another school could contact/recruit them? NCAA has no “tampering” rules?ibleedblue wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:32 pmUnfortunately the FCS is becoming the minor leagues for FBS. Ifanse was being actively recruited by Nebraska recently. I have a feeling some other FBS programs who need a good RB will do the same.
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Officially, that is the rule. But schools are contacting kids through 3rd party sources. You think Connor Wood didn't already know Missouri was picking him up before entering the portal?Bobcat4Ever wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:00 amI thought a player had to declare their decision to transfer before another school could contact/recruit them? NCAA has no “tampering” rules?ibleedblue wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:32 pmUnfortunately the FCS is becoming the minor leagues for FBS. Ifanse was being actively recruited by Nebraska recently. I have a feeling some other FBS programs who need a good RB will do the same.
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You are exactly right. That is supposed to be how it works. But unfortunately it’s not playing out like that. Someone who knows someone with ties to Ifanse or anyone else can easily put a bug in their ear and get the ball moving. There’s a lot of talk about this happening with players entering the portal and having a team lined up and a scholarship hours later.Bobcat4Ever wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:00 amI thought a player had to declare their decision to transfer before another school could contact/recruit them? NCAA has no “tampering” rules?ibleedblue wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:32 pmUnfortunately the FCS is becoming the minor leagues for FBS. Ifanse was being actively recruited by Nebraska recently. I have a feeling some other FBS programs who need a good RB will do the same.
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This is exactly right.BleedingBLue wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:05 amThey do have enter the portal first technically. Lots of coaches are having players reach out to guys they know and gauge their interest/recruit them and let them know there's scholarship waiting for them.Bobcat4Ever wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:00 amI thought a player had to declare their decision to transfer before another school could contact/recruit them? NCAA has no “tampering” rules?ibleedblue wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:32 pmUnfortunately the FCS is becoming the minor leagues for FBS. Ifanse was being actively recruited by Nebraska recently. I have a feeling some other FBS programs who need a good RB will do the same.
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Well, if Ifanse is on the fence (which I don’t think he is) Vigen better do everything he can to get the Wyoming running back that went to the portal. The Validay kid.
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He should be doing that regardless!
That would be the best RB duo in the country.
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Hopefully we've got someone coming in to fill Dawson's spot. Garrett's team has been creating great content.
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I’m shocked msu didn’t hand him a blank check. But he’s got a huge future ahead of him. That video rockscoloradocat wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:23 pmHopefully we've got someone coming in to fill Dawson's spot. Garrett's team has been creating great content.
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I'm also not seeing Minaya Olivo on the roster anymore.
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Olivo wasn’t on the roster all year? I asked about him in the beginning of the season but never heard any answers. When reading about him in recruiting it sounded like we were getting a stud! I’d be curious if anyone has the scoop on him as well?
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Easier said than done. I remember Kramer conceding Ryan Johnson, in his senior year and dealing with injuries, was being asked to carry the ball too many times...30-35 per game, and needed to reduce his load substantially. But, next week, there he was 30-35 carries. It's tough having among the best FCS running backs in the conference (nation) resting on the sideline with the game on the line.mslacatfan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:22 pmYes- probably should be a separate thread... but next season they need to plan for the playoffs with Ifanse workload. 10-15 touches a game, save him for the playoffs, where we need him at 100%.
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For sure easier said than done. Sort of a damned if you do damned if you don’t. Everyone is pissed if Ifanse only gets 10-15 Carries and our offense isn’t executing. Can’t go to him if you get behind. I would just like to see more 2nd and 3rd down rotation with guys who seem like they are capable. Hope Elliott can regain the trust of coaches he seemingly lost towards the end of the year, and that Sumner can stay healthy. I’ll be shocked if Hosey is on the roster next year. Everything seems to point towards him being a productive back for us and the guy couldn’t buy time on the field.FYI wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:54 amEasier said than done. I remember Kramer conceding Ryan Johnson, in his senior year and dealing with injuries, was being asked to carry the ball too many times...30-35 per game, and needed to reduce his load substantially. But, next week, there he was 30-35 carries. It's tough having among the best FCS running backs in the conference (nation) resting on the sideline with the game on the line.mslacatfan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:22 pmYes- probably should be a separate thread... but next season they need to plan for the playoffs with Ifanse workload. 10-15 touches a game, save him for the playoffs, where we need him at 100%.
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I think choate did a really good job of trying to manage ifanse’s rushing attempts. Most games he would really lean heavy on the backups for the 1st half. Then let ifanse run all over them in the 2nd half with relatively fresh legs and the defense wore down.
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It's a good point. These veteran backs are generally guys that coaches trust to take care of the ball, pick up a blitz correctly, lean for that yard on 3rd and 1. It also seems to me that there's a rhythm and momentum component too. Runners run, they need carries to be in the flow of the game. I wonder if some version of the (admittedly kind of outdated) 3rd down back makes sense; a guy you school in blitz pickup, a receiving specialist maybe. Seems like if you had that guy that's a guaranteed number of rest plays for your feature guy. If you really want to distribute the load you need another guy who comes in for entire series in place of #1. That's kind of hard to pull off on an FCS roster though I'd imagine.BStinsMSU wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:05 pmFor sure easier said than done. Sort of a damned if you do damned if you don’t. Everyone is pissed if Ifanse only gets 10-15 Carries and our offense isn’t executing. Can’t go to him if you get behind. I would just like to see more 2nd and 3rd down rotation with guys who seem like they are capable. Hope Elliott can regain the trust of coaches he seemingly lost towards the end of the year, and that Sumner can stay healthy. I’ll be shocked if Hosey is on the roster next year. Everything seems to point towards him being a productive back for us and the guy couldn’t buy time on the field.FYI wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:54 amEasier said than done. I remember Kramer conceding Ryan Johnson, in his senior year and dealing with injuries, was being asked to carry the ball too many times...30-35 per game, and needed to reduce his load substantially. But, next week, there he was 30-35 carries. It's tough having among the best FCS running backs in the conference (nation) resting on the sideline with the game on the line.mslacatfan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:22 pmYes- probably should be a separate thread... but next season they need to plan for the playoffs with Ifanse workload. 10-15 touches a game, save him for the playoffs, where we need him at 100%.
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My biggest thing I hate seeing is when the game is clearly out of reach by the fourth or even late in the fourth and you see ifanse running the ball still. Obviously injuries can happen anytime but I never see the point in risking ifanse when he hasn’t been fully healthy for majority of his career to begin with, and when we have the depth at the position to give other backs some touches when the game is out of reach. It cost him the semifinal game when he was to running the ball against SHSU, and it was obvious all we were doing was bleeding the clock out and he was still running the ball. Also we were doing that same sort of thing to Tommy against SDSU, when we were just bleeding the clock and they weren’t just calling designed runs to Elliot.GoldstoneCat wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:57 pmIt's a good point. These veteran backs are generally guys that coaches trust to take care of the ball, pick up a blitz correctly, lean for that yard on 3rd and 1. It also seems to me that there's a rhythm and momentum component too. Runners run, they need carries to be in the flow of the game. I wonder if some version of the (admittedly kind of outdated) 3rd down back makes sense; a guy you school in blitz pickup, a receiving specialist maybe. Seems like if you had that guy that's a guaranteed number of rest plays for your feature guy. If you really want to distribute the load you need another guy who comes in for entire series in place of #1. That's kind of hard to pull off on an FCS roster though I'd imagine.BStinsMSU wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:05 pmFor sure easier said than done. Sort of a damned if you do damned if you don’t. Everyone is pissed if Ifanse only gets 10-15 Carries and our offense isn’t executing. Can’t go to him if you get behind. I would just like to see more 2nd and 3rd down rotation with guys who seem like they are capable. Hope Elliott can regain the trust of coaches he seemingly lost towards the end of the year, and that Sumner can stay healthy. I’ll be shocked if Hosey is on the roster next year. Everything seems to point towards him being a productive back for us and the guy couldn’t buy time on the field.FYI wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:54 amEasier said than done. I remember Kramer conceding Ryan Johnson, in his senior year and dealing with injuries, was being asked to carry the ball too many times...30-35 per game, and needed to reduce his load substantially. But, next week, there he was 30-35 carries. It's tough having among the best FCS running backs in the conference (nation) resting on the sideline with the game on the line.mslacatfan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:22 pmYes- probably should be a separate thread... but next season they need to plan for the playoffs with Ifanse workload. 10-15 touches a game, save him for the playoffs, where we need him at 100%.
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In 2019 the runs were getting distributed among running backs and wildcat quaterbacks — but, 6 players (if I remember correctly) had 100-yard rushing games. I really hoped to see more of that this past year.mslacatfan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:51 pmI think choate did a really good job of trying to manage ifanse’s rushing attempts. Most games he would really lean heavy on the backups for the 1st half. Then let ifanse run all over them in the 2nd half with relatively fresh legs and the defense wore down.
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Ifanse also had injury issues that year and missed a lot of reps.Bobcat4Ever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:35 pmIn 2019 the runs were getting distributed among running backs and wildcat quaterbacks — but, 6 players (if I remember correctly) had 100-yard rushing games. I really hoped to see more of that this past year.mslacatfan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:51 pmI think choate did a really good job of trying to manage ifanse’s rushing attempts. Most games he would really lean heavy on the backups for the 1st half. Then let ifanse run all over them in the 2nd half with relatively fresh legs and the defense wore down.
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