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Re: Who do we lose?

Post by BleedingBLue » Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:05 am

Bobcat4Ever wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:00 am
ibleedblue wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:32 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:09 pm
Lord Vigo wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:52 pm
Pure gut feel speculation on my part, but I’m expecting to lose Ifanse at this point.
What is this based on, just that he's really good? Do you think all really good players will leave the fcs?
Unfortunately the FCS is becoming the minor leagues for FBS. Ifanse was being actively recruited by Nebraska recently. I have a feeling some other FBS programs who need a good RB will do the same.
I thought a player had to declare their decision to transfer before another school could contact/recruit them? NCAA has no “tampering” rules?
They do have enter the portal first technically. Lots of coaches are having players reach out to guys they know and gauge their interest/recruit them and let them know there's scholarship waiting for them.



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Re: Who do we lose?

Post by catbooster » Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:14 am

Bobcat4Ever wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:00 am
ibleedblue wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:32 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:09 pm
Lord Vigo wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:52 pm
Pure gut feel speculation on my part, but I’m expecting to lose Ifanse at this point.
What is this based on, just that he's really good? Do you think all really good players will leave the fcs?
Unfortunately the FCS is becoming the minor leagues for FBS. Ifanse was being actively recruited by Nebraska recently. I have a feeling some other FBS programs who need a good RB will do the same.
I thought a player had to declare their decision to transfer before another school could contact/recruit them? NCAA has no “tampering” rules?
Yes but it's not hard to get around from what I've read.



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Re: Who do we lose?

Post by AFCAT » Sun Jan 09, 2022 4:20 am

Bobcat4Ever wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:00 am
ibleedblue wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:32 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:09 pm
Lord Vigo wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:52 pm
Pure gut feel speculation on my part, but I’m expecting to lose Ifanse at this point.
What is this based on, just that he's really good? Do you think all really good players will leave the fcs?
Unfortunately the FCS is becoming the minor leagues for FBS. Ifanse was being actively recruited by Nebraska recently. I have a feeling some other FBS programs who need a good RB will do the same.
I thought a player had to declare their decision to transfer before another school could contact/recruit them? NCAA has no “tampering” rules?
From what I've read and heard, it's the players and team supporters that have been reaching out now. That's how they get around the rule.


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Re: Who do we lose?

Post by 91catAlum » Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:35 am

Bobcat4Ever wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:00 am
ibleedblue wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:32 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:09 pm
Lord Vigo wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:52 pm
Pure gut feel speculation on my part, but I’m expecting to lose Ifanse at this point.
What is this based on, just that he's really good? Do you think all really good players will leave the fcs?
Unfortunately the FCS is becoming the minor leagues for FBS. Ifanse was being actively recruited by Nebraska recently. I have a feeling some other FBS programs who need a good RB will do the same.
I thought a player had to declare their decision to transfer before another school could contact/recruit them? NCAA has no “tampering” rules?
Officially, that is the rule. But schools are contacting kids through 3rd party sources. You think Connor Wood didn't already know Missouri was picking him up before entering the portal?


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Re: Who do we lose?

Post by ibleedblue » Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:26 pm

Bobcat4Ever wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:00 am
ibleedblue wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:32 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:09 pm
Lord Vigo wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:52 pm
Pure gut feel speculation on my part, but I’m expecting to lose Ifanse at this point.
What is this based on, just that he's really good? Do you think all really good players will leave the fcs?
Unfortunately the FCS is becoming the minor leagues for FBS. Ifanse was being actively recruited by Nebraska recently. I have a feeling some other FBS programs who need a good RB will do the same.
I thought a player had to declare their decision to transfer before another school could contact/recruit them? NCAA has no “tampering” rules?
You are exactly right. That is supposed to be how it works. But unfortunately it’s not playing out like that. Someone who knows someone with ties to Ifanse or anyone else can easily put a bug in their ear and get the ball moving. There’s a lot of talk about this happening with players entering the portal and having a team lined up and a scholarship hours later.



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Re: Who do we lose?

Post by ibleedblue » Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:27 pm

BleedingBLue wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:05 am
Bobcat4Ever wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:00 am
ibleedblue wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:32 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:09 pm
Lord Vigo wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:52 pm
Pure gut feel speculation on my part, but I’m expecting to lose Ifanse at this point.
What is this based on, just that he's really good? Do you think all really good players will leave the fcs?
Unfortunately the FCS is becoming the minor leagues for FBS. Ifanse was being actively recruited by Nebraska recently. I have a feeling some other FBS programs who need a good RB will do the same.
I thought a player had to declare their decision to transfer before another school could contact/recruit them? NCAA has no “tampering” rules?
They do have enter the portal first technically. Lots of coaches are having players reach out to guys they know and gauge their interest/recruit them and let them know there's scholarship waiting for them.
This is exactly right.



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Re: Who do we lose?

Post by GoCats18 » Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:54 pm

Well, if Ifanse is on the fence (which I don’t think he is) Vigen better do everything he can to get the Wyoming running back that went to the portal. The Validay kid.


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Re: Who do we lose?

Post by mslacatfan » Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:12 pm

GoCats18 wrote:
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Well, if Ifanse is on the fence (which I don’t think he is) Vigen better do everything he can to get the Wyoming running back that went to the portal. The Validay kid.

He should be doing that regardless!

That would be the best RB duo in the country.


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Re: Who do we lose?

Post by coloradocat » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:23 pm

Hopefully we've got someone coming in to fill Dawson's spot. Garrett's team has been creating great content.



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Re: Who do we lose?

Post by BStinsMSU » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:29 pm

coloradocat wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:23 pm
Hopefully we've got someone coming in to fill Dawson's spot. Garrett's team has been creating great content.

I’m shocked msu didn’t hand him a blank check. But he’s got a huge future ahead of him. That video rocks


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Re: Who do we lose?

Post by DMMDCats » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:10 am

Did anyone receive their copy of Miracle in Missoula?


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Re: Who do we lose?

Post by CelticCat » Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:31 pm

I'm also not seeing Minaya Olivo on the roster anymore.


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Re: Who do we lose?

Post by catsandcanes » Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:50 pm

Olivo wasn’t on the roster all year? I asked about him in the beginning of the season but never heard any answers. When reading about him in recruiting it sounded like we were getting a stud! I’d be curious if anyone has the scoop on him as well?



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Re: Who do we lose?

Post by FYI » Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:54 am

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Yes- probably should be a separate thread... but next season they need to plan for the playoffs with Ifanse workload. 10-15 touches a game, save him for the playoffs, where we need him at 100%.
Easier said than done. I remember Kramer conceding Ryan Johnson, in his senior year and dealing with injuries, was being asked to carry the ball too many times...30-35 per game, and needed to reduce his load substantially. But, next week, there he was 30-35 carries. It's tough having among the best FCS running backs in the conference (nation) resting on the sideline with the game on the line.



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Re: Who do we lose?

Post by BStinsMSU » Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:05 pm

FYI wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:54 am
mslacatfan wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:22 pm
Yes- probably should be a separate thread... but next season they need to plan for the playoffs with Ifanse workload. 10-15 touches a game, save him for the playoffs, where we need him at 100%.
Easier said than done. I remember Kramer conceding Ryan Johnson, in his senior year and dealing with injuries, was being asked to carry the ball too many times...30-35 per game, and needed to reduce his load substantially. But, next week, there he was 30-35 carries. It's tough having among the best FCS running backs in the conference (nation) resting on the sideline with the game on the line.
For sure easier said than done. Sort of a damned if you do damned if you don’t. Everyone is pissed if Ifanse only gets 10-15 Carries and our offense isn’t executing. Can’t go to him if you get behind. I would just like to see more 2nd and 3rd down rotation with guys who seem like they are capable. Hope Elliott can regain the trust of coaches he seemingly lost towards the end of the year, and that Sumner can stay healthy. I’ll be shocked if Hosey is on the roster next year. Everything seems to point towards him being a productive back for us and the guy couldn’t buy time on the field.


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Re: Who do we lose?

Post by mslacatfan » Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:51 pm

I think choate did a really good job of trying to manage ifanse’s rushing attempts. Most games he would really lean heavy on the backups for the 1st half. Then let ifanse run all over them in the 2nd half with relatively fresh legs and the defense wore down.


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Re: Who do we lose?

Post by GoldstoneCat » Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:57 pm

BStinsMSU wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:05 pm
FYI wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:54 am
mslacatfan wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:22 pm
Yes- probably should be a separate thread... but next season they need to plan for the playoffs with Ifanse workload. 10-15 touches a game, save him for the playoffs, where we need him at 100%.
Easier said than done. I remember Kramer conceding Ryan Johnson, in his senior year and dealing with injuries, was being asked to carry the ball too many times...30-35 per game, and needed to reduce his load substantially. But, next week, there he was 30-35 carries. It's tough having among the best FCS running backs in the conference (nation) resting on the sideline with the game on the line.
For sure easier said than done. Sort of a damned if you do damned if you don’t. Everyone is pissed if Ifanse only gets 10-15 Carries and our offense isn’t executing. Can’t go to him if you get behind. I would just like to see more 2nd and 3rd down rotation with guys who seem like they are capable. Hope Elliott can regain the trust of coaches he seemingly lost towards the end of the year, and that Sumner can stay healthy. I’ll be shocked if Hosey is on the roster next year. Everything seems to point towards him being a productive back for us and the guy couldn’t buy time on the field.
It's a good point. These veteran backs are generally guys that coaches trust to take care of the ball, pick up a blitz correctly, lean for that yard on 3rd and 1. It also seems to me that there's a rhythm and momentum component too. Runners run, they need carries to be in the flow of the game. I wonder if some version of the (admittedly kind of outdated) 3rd down back makes sense; a guy you school in blitz pickup, a receiving specialist maybe. Seems like if you had that guy that's a guaranteed number of rest plays for your feature guy. If you really want to distribute the load you need another guy who comes in for entire series in place of #1. That's kind of hard to pull off on an FCS roster though I'd imagine.



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Re: Who do we lose?

Post by jgrilley406 » Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:23 pm

GoldstoneCat wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:57 pm
BStinsMSU wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:05 pm
FYI wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:54 am
mslacatfan wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:22 pm
Yes- probably should be a separate thread... but next season they need to plan for the playoffs with Ifanse workload. 10-15 touches a game, save him for the playoffs, where we need him at 100%.
Easier said than done. I remember Kramer conceding Ryan Johnson, in his senior year and dealing with injuries, was being asked to carry the ball too many times...30-35 per game, and needed to reduce his load substantially. But, next week, there he was 30-35 carries. It's tough having among the best FCS running backs in the conference (nation) resting on the sideline with the game on the line.
For sure easier said than done. Sort of a damned if you do damned if you don’t. Everyone is pissed if Ifanse only gets 10-15 Carries and our offense isn’t executing. Can’t go to him if you get behind. I would just like to see more 2nd and 3rd down rotation with guys who seem like they are capable. Hope Elliott can regain the trust of coaches he seemingly lost towards the end of the year, and that Sumner can stay healthy. I’ll be shocked if Hosey is on the roster next year. Everything seems to point towards him being a productive back for us and the guy couldn’t buy time on the field.
It's a good point. These veteran backs are generally guys that coaches trust to take care of the ball, pick up a blitz correctly, lean for that yard on 3rd and 1. It also seems to me that there's a rhythm and momentum component too. Runners run, they need carries to be in the flow of the game. I wonder if some version of the (admittedly kind of outdated) 3rd down back makes sense; a guy you school in blitz pickup, a receiving specialist maybe. Seems like if you had that guy that's a guaranteed number of rest plays for your feature guy. If you really want to distribute the load you need another guy who comes in for entire series in place of #1. That's kind of hard to pull off on an FCS roster though I'd imagine.
My biggest thing I hate seeing is when the game is clearly out of reach by the fourth or even late in the fourth and you see ifanse running the ball still. Obviously injuries can happen anytime but I never see the point in risking ifanse when he hasn’t been fully healthy for majority of his career to begin with, and when we have the depth at the position to give other backs some touches when the game is out of reach. It cost him the semifinal game when he was to running the ball against SHSU, and it was obvious all we were doing was bleeding the clock out and he was still running the ball. Also we were doing that same sort of thing to Tommy against SDSU, when we were just bleeding the clock and they weren’t just calling designed runs to Elliot.



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Re: Who do we lose?

Post by Bobcat4Ever » Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:35 pm

mslacatfan wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:51 pm
I think choate did a really good job of trying to manage ifanse’s rushing attempts. Most games he would really lean heavy on the backups for the 1st half. Then let ifanse run all over them in the 2nd half with relatively fresh legs and the defense wore down.
In 2019 the runs were getting distributed among running backs and wildcat quaterbacks — but, 6 players (if I remember correctly) had 100-yard rushing games. I really hoped to see more of that this past year.



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Re: Who do we lose?

Post by AFCAT » Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:42 pm

Bobcat4Ever wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:35 pm
mslacatfan wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:51 pm
I think choate did a really good job of trying to manage ifanse’s rushing attempts. Most games he would really lean heavy on the backups for the 1st half. Then let ifanse run all over them in the 2nd half with relatively fresh legs and the defense wore down.
In 2019 the runs were getting distributed among running backs and wildcat quaterbacks — but, 6 players (if I remember correctly) had 100-yard rushing games. I really hoped to see more of that this past year.
Ifanse also had injury issues that year and missed a lot of reps.


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