If something were to happen to McKay, it be at the earliest against Eastern (unless freak injury during practice). If that were to happen they’re not going to throw Tommy into that game when he has a limited playbook and hasn’t attempted a college pass. After the game you’d have two weeks remaining and the last week against the Griz, which is never an easy game regardless how either team has looked or played prior. Rovig has been in these big games and has won big games. Tommy might be the future, but there’s no way, this late in the season that you’re going to throw in a freshman when you have a backup who took a team to the quarterfinals.BelligerentBobcat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:24 amI’ll speak for myself, I really do not care where any of the players come from. I want the best to play. I’ll be the first to admit I was very skeptical of Tommy playing QB Bc Montana QB’s almost never succeed. But man, with a good player, you can just tell they’re good…and Tommy is really good. And he’s going to be a good QB.coloradocat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:51 amOur best option is for the coaches to figure out what's up with McKay and fix it over the next two weeks. He was playing more good than bad prior to Weber and he's played more average than bad for the last two games. If something were to happen to him we'd roll with Rovig, not a freshman.
The only reason anyone wants Tommy to be the QB is because he's from Montana. Sure, send him out there to mess with the defense a half dozen times per game but he's probably QB3 at best on this team. His real position this year is Travis Jonsen + (without the receiving).
And personally, if something were to happen to McKay, I’d rather see Tommy out there than the guy who has struggled holding onto the ball whenever he’s played this year.
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Chill-ax everyone.
1. RPO based offenses are challenging.
2. I think his personality is very team based and struggles with being selfish.
3. We are not a throw for 275 yards a game offense.
4. I’m a little surprised our O line is not opening up better holes, a struggling run game impacts QB play.
1. RPO based offenses are challenging.
2. I think his personality is very team based and struggles with being selfish.
3. We are not a throw for 275 yards a game offense.
4. I’m a little surprised our O line is not opening up better holes, a struggling run game impacts QB play.
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I think some of us expected McKay to be better than he is because he is a drop down. That usually isn’t the case. I really feel McKay is just a more athletic version of rovig. Which is pretty good!! We need to remember he isn’t exactly a seasoned veteran, he hasn’t even started a full season yet. At times he looks great and times he looks like a young kid waiting for things to slow down for him! I also think play calling could help him out some, don’t we have more than two receivers on this team?? Our offense has been pretty vanilla lately.
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Cataholic wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:57 amThis whole thread is an embarrassment. Some fans just don’t know how to enjoy a winning season.PapaG wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:30 amI was incorrect on the TD passes. Matt has 15 in 8 games, same number Tucker had the entire 2019 season including playoffs.bobcatfan123 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:13 amMcKays last two games were not good. He threw for 76 yards against Weber, 136 today and was about 50% on his pass completion. Idaho State did put six in the box and seemed to emphasize eliminating the passing attack ( but we’re talking 1-6 Idaho state). Anyways, I hope McKay turns it around as he can be a great player. But Vigen won’t continue to play a struggling qb just because the TEAM is winning games. He will play the qb that gives the team the best chance to win. If this trend continues it could be Rovig.PapaG wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:36 pmVigen to Team: Hey guys, great win, we’ve won 7 games but those are behind us, let’s celebrate this one and focus on EWU starting tomorrow. Oh, and over the bye week we’re going to be rolling with Tommy as QB1 against EWU and for the rest of the year.
Team: Has coach lost his freaking mind? Who is this guy.
Me: People complaining about McKay, who has 13 TD/1/INT on the season, boggles the mind.
It’s a tough year to find much to complain about. This year has been awesome, fans have packed in each game, great to have football back and be better than we’ve been in a long long time. Go cats!
A tough year to find things to complain about, yet here you are complaining. How is Mcakay “struggling,” by the way. He threw 2 TDs today and has as many already as Rovig had in 13 games in 2019.
I’d hate to play QB under some of you armchair coaches. 7-1, 15/1 ratio, 65% completion rate in a vertical passing game, Top 10 ranking, and you bench me … I don’t get it. Lose the EWU game and you lose a lot of the veteran players with Mellot at QB.
Listen fellas, pointing out that McKay had two rough games doesn’t mean that we are bad fans, not enjoying the season, or are complaining. We’re all just here to talk about football, that is the point of the forum.
- McKay has high upside and when he is playing well gives us our best chance to win. We will need him to play well to best Eastern Washington.
- You can’t compare Rovigs numbers as he didn’t start until the 4th game of the season and Choate had a more run heavy philosophy. Dude has proven he can play well against playoff caliber teams.
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His low passing numbers were because we really didn’t throw a whole lot in a number of games. He is a good qb and a
viable option if McKay gets hurt or continues to struggle
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Huh.
I have to say that even I was concerned that something was wrong yesterday after McKay missed the two passes on the first drive and later missed the quick pass in the flat to Patterson as well as the throw on the move to the TE.
But this young man is an excellent starting quarterback, especially in an offense that requires patience and sometimes asks you to sacrifice your own statistics for the good of the offense. I really love the look with Fitzgerald in the backfield and - maybe it was a coincidence - the offense really seemed to click when that change was made.
The Big Sky Conference is tough. Only two teams remain undefeated, and MSU is one of them.
I have to say that even I was concerned that something was wrong yesterday after McKay missed the two passes on the first drive and later missed the quick pass in the flat to Patterson as well as the throw on the move to the TE.
But this young man is an excellent starting quarterback, especially in an offense that requires patience and sometimes asks you to sacrifice your own statistics for the good of the offense. I really love the look with Fitzgerald in the backfield and - maybe it was a coincidence - the offense really seemed to click when that change was made.
The Big Sky Conference is tough. Only two teams remain undefeated, and MSU is one of them.
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Let me say that I am okay with McKay and not advocating a change, but anyone that says we wouldn't be 7-1 without him is not giving enough credit to the rest of the team. Any one of the other 3 QBs could have lost at WY and any one of the other 3 QBs could have won the next 5 games. The margins may have been different, but the results would have been the same. Maybe not all 3 could have won against BBQ, but at least 1 of them could have. Most likely any of the other 3 beat ISU. Would the play calling be the same? Probably not. Lance M has made some pretty fantastic catches to help out Matt. Matt's last two games haven't been great and I think looking at his performance is fair. I'm fairly sure that if Weber's DBs could catch, he would have thrown at least one and maybe 2 picks in that game. He did not have much time to throw in that game so any passing ineffectiveness may be attributed to that. No one can say his passes in the first half Saturday were any thing other than ugly. It's my opinion that if we are to beat the eagles in two weeks, he and the rest of the offense (probably including the OC) are going to have to be better than what we saw Saturday. Either that or the defense is going to have to have a Herculean performance.
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Yes, well said.catscat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:45 amLet me say that I am okay with McKay and not advocating a change, but anyone that says we wouldn't be 7-1 without him is not giving enough credit to the rest of the team. Any one of the other 3 QBs could have lost at WY and any one of the other 3 QBs could have won the next 5 games. The margins may have been different, but the results would have been the same. Maybe not all 3 could have won against BBQ, but at least 1 of them could have. Most likely any of the other 3 beat ISU. Would the play calling be the same? Probably not. Lance M has made some pretty fantastic catches to help out Matt. Matt's last two games haven't been great and I think looking at his performance is fair. I'm fairly sure that if Weber's DBs could catch, he would have thrown at least one and maybe 2 picks in that game. He did not have much time to throw in that game so any passing ineffectiveness may be attributed to that. No one can say his passes in the first half Saturday were any thing other than ugly. It's my opinion that if we are to beat the eagles in two weeks, he and the rest of the offense (probably including the OC) are going to have to be better than what we saw Saturday. Either that or the defense is going to have to have a Herculean performance.
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Contrary to claims on this thread, Mellot did throw yesterday and looked like a freshman who is no where near ready to play QB in D1 football.
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McKay has had two bad games, both games we won and both games the offensive game plan has not been very good. We have so many weapons on offense and it feels like we don’t use players like we should. Weber did us a huge favor yesterday, but if we don’t win out our last three games, really it means nothing.
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I’m confused as to what he did that showed he’s not ready? He didn’t exactly do a lot passing, but he didn’t do anything that showed he isn’t ready, imo. Threw a solid hitch route, and then his sideline pass was too low, but it was still catchable. Gardner just dropped it.
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Better accuracy than a lot McKay passes.BelligerentBobcat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:48 amI’m confused as to what he did that showed he’s not ready? He didn’t exactly do a lot passing, but he didn’t do anything that showed he isn’t ready, imo. Threw a solid hitch route, and then his sideline pass was too low, but it was still catchable. Gardner just dropped it.
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He threw 2 passes, let's not go crazy.Montanabob wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:51 amBetter accuracy than a lot McKay passes.BelligerentBobcat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:48 amI’m confused as to what he did that showed he’s not ready? He didn’t exactly do a lot passing, but he didn’t do anything that showed he isn’t ready, imo. Threw a solid hitch route, and then his sideline pass was too low, but it was still catchable. Gardner just dropped it.
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He was 50%.Montanabob wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:51 amBetter accuracy than a lot McKay passes.BelligerentBobcat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:48 amI’m confused as to what he did that showed he’s not ready? He didn’t exactly do a lot passing, but he didn’t do anything that showed he isn’t ready, imo. Threw a solid hitch route, and then his sideline pass was too low, but it was still catchable. Gardner just dropped it.
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He had an incompletion yesterday. Ended with 1 for 2 10 yds.jgrilley406 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:52 amIf something were to happen to McKay, it be at the earliest against Eastern (unless freak injury during practice). If that were to happen they’re not going to throw Tommy into that game when he has a limited playbook and hasn’t attempted a college pass. After the game you’d have two weeks remaining and the last week against the Griz, which is never an easy game regardless how either team has looked or played prior. Rovig has been in these big games and has won big games. Tommy might be the future, but there’s no way, this late in the season that you’re going to throw in a freshman when you have a backup who took a team to the quarterfinals.BelligerentBobcat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:24 amI’ll speak for myself, I really do not care where any of the players come from. I want the best to play. I’ll be the first to admit I was very skeptical of Tommy playing QB Bc Montana QB’s almost never succeed. But man, with a good player, you can just tell they’re good…and Tommy is really good. And he’s going to be a good QB.coloradocat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:51 amOur best option is for the coaches to figure out what's up with McKay and fix it over the next two weeks. He was playing more good than bad prior to Weber and he's played more average than bad for the last two games. If something were to happen to him we'd roll with Rovig, not a freshman.
The only reason anyone wants Tommy to be the QB is because he's from Montana. Sure, send him out there to mess with the defense a half dozen times per game but he's probably QB3 at best on this team. His real position this year is Travis Jonsen + (without the receiving).
And personally, if something were to happen to McKay, I’d rather see Tommy out there than the guy who has struggled holding onto the ball whenever he’s played this year.
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And McKay 10/21 for 47%allcat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:13 amHe had an incompletion yesterday. Ended with 1 for 2 10 yds.jgrilley406 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:52 amIf something were to happen to McKay, it be at the earliest against Eastern (unless freak injury during practice). If that were to happen they’re not going to throw Tommy into that game when he has a limited playbook and hasn’t attempted a college pass. After the game you’d have two weeks remaining and the last week against the Griz, which is never an easy game regardless how either team has looked or played prior. Rovig has been in these big games and has won big games. Tommy might be the future, but there’s no way, this late in the season that you’re going to throw in a freshman when you have a backup who took a team to the quarterfinals.BelligerentBobcat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:24 amI’ll speak for myself, I really do not care where any of the players come from. I want the best to play. I’ll be the first to admit I was very skeptical of Tommy playing QB Bc Montana QB’s almost never succeed. But man, with a good player, you can just tell they’re good…and Tommy is really good. And he’s going to be a good QB.coloradocat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:51 amOur best option is for the coaches to figure out what's up with McKay and fix it over the next two weeks. He was playing more good than bad prior to Weber and he's played more average than bad for the last two games. If something were to happen to him we'd roll with Rovig, not a freshman.
The only reason anyone wants Tommy to be the QB is because he's from Montana. Sure, send him out there to mess with the defense a half dozen times per game but he's probably QB3 at best on this team. His real position this year is Travis Jonsen + (without the receiving).
And personally, if something were to happen to McKay, I’d rather see Tommy out there than the guy who has struggled holding onto the ball whenever he’s played this year.
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And McKay 47% and missing wide open receivers.AFCAT wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:00 amHe was 50%.Montanabob wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:51 amBetter accuracy than a lot McKay passes.BelligerentBobcat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:48 amI’m confused as to what he did that showed he’s not ready? He didn’t exactly do a lot passing, but he didn’t do anything that showed he isn’t ready, imo. Threw a solid hitch route, and then his sideline pass was too low, but it was still catchable. Gardner just dropped it.
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And McCutcheon dropped 3 passes and Smith 1. Even if you wanna say McCutcheon only dropped 2 that's still 13/21 62%. He was bad in the 1st half, he was much better in the 2nd half.Montanabob wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:20 amAnd McKay 47% and missing wide open receivers.AFCAT wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:00 amHe was 50%.Montanabob wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:51 amBetter accuracy than a lot McKay passes.BelligerentBobcat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:48 amI’m confused as to what he did that showed he’s not ready? He didn’t exactly do a lot passing, but he didn’t do anything that showed he isn’t ready, imo. Threw a solid hitch route, and then his sideline pass was too low, but it was still catchable. Gardner just dropped it.
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And McKay threw a lot more passes and is over 60% for the season.Montanabob wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:20 amAnd McKay 47% and missing wide open receivers.AFCAT wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:00 amHe was 50%.Montanabob wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:51 amBetter accuracy than a lot McKay passes.BelligerentBobcat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:48 amI’m confused as to what he did that showed he’s not ready? He didn’t exactly do a lot passing, but he didn’t do anything that showed he isn’t ready, imo. Threw a solid hitch route, and then his sideline pass was too low, but it was still catchable. Gardner just dropped it.
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Dude, give it up already. Did McKay steal your wife or something? Why do you hate him so much? He has his flaws, just like most FCS QB's do, but he's clearly the best option as the starter for MSU, and is the best we as Bobcat fans have seen in a half decade. I truly don't understand your level of expectations. The man is 7-1 as a starter for cripes sake! I don't recall you being this vocal about the largely very average QB play that MSU experienced during Choate's tenure here, please enlighten us as to why you continue to rip Matt.Montanabob wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:20 amAnd McKay 47% and missing wide open receivers.AFCAT wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:00 amHe was 50%.Montanabob wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:51 amBetter accuracy than a lot McKay passes.BelligerentBobcat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:48 amI’m confused as to what he did that showed he’s not ready? He didn’t exactly do a lot passing, but he didn’t do anything that showed he isn’t ready, imo. Threw a solid hitch route, and then his sideline pass was too low, but it was still catchable. Gardner just dropped it.
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