2021 Sagarin Rankings

[Catsrgrood]

I kept track of this throughout the 2019 season. I know it has plenty of haters, but I thought it was interesting to watch throughout the season and see where it all ends up again. I’m a numbers guy so I always find this stuff interesting.

The first few weeks of the season will have big jumps up and down, but by the end of the season last year, when it had as much data as possible, it wasn’t too far off from how it all shook out.

Cats are starting the season at 136th overall and 13th in the FCS.

Wyoming- 63rd overall
Drake- 240 overall, 110th FCS
San Diego-225 overall, 95th FCS

Big Sky (opponents in bold):
Montana- 117 overall, 6th FCS
Weber- 118 overall, 7th FCS
EWU- 129 overall, 11th FCS
Montana State-136 overall, 13th FCS
Sac St-144 overall, 21st FCS
UC Davis-149 overall, 26th FCS
NAU- 165 overall, 38th FCS
Idaho- 168 overall, 41st FCS
Idaho St-179 overall, 52nd FCS
Southern Utah- 180 overall, 53rd FCS
Portland St- 182 overall, 55th FCS
Northern CO- 203 overall, 75th FCS
Cal Poly- 217 overall, 88th FCS

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

[Long Time Cat]

I kept track of this throughout the 2019 season. I know it has plenty of haters, but I thought it was interesting to watch throughout the season and see where it all ends up again. I’m a numbers guy so I always find this stuff interesting.

The first few weeks of the season will have big jumps up and down, but by the end of the season last year, when it had as much data as possible, it wasn’t too far off from how it all shook out.

Cats are starting the season at 136th overall and 13th in the FCS.

Wyoming- 63rd overall
Drake- 240 overall, 110th FCS
San Diego-225 overall, 95th FCS

Big Sky (opponents in bold):
Montana- 117 overall, 6th FCS
Weber- 118 overall, 7th FCS
EWU- 129 overall, 11th FCS
Montana State-136 overall, 13th FCS
Sac St-144 overall, 21st FCS
UC Davis-149 overall, 26th FCS
NAU- 165 overall, 38th FCS
Idaho- 168 overall, 41st FCS
Idaho St-179 overall, 52nd FCS
Southern Utah- 180 overall, 53rd FCS
Portland St- 182 overall, 55th FCS
Northern CO- 203 overall, 75th FCS
Cal Poly- 217 overall, 88th FCS

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

It appears the winning a couple of games in the spring season helps a bunch in the rankings.

[Catsrgrood]

I kept track of this throughout the 2019 season. I know it has plenty of haters, but I thought it was interesting to watch throughout the season and see where it all ends up again. I’m a numbers guy so I always find this stuff interesting.

The first few weeks of the season will have big jumps up and down, but by the end of the season last year, when it had as much data as possible, it wasn’t too far off from how it all shook out.

Cats are starting the season at 136th overall and 13th in the FCS.

Wyoming- 63rd overall
Drake- 240 overall, 110th FCS
San Diego-225 overall, 95th FCS

Big Sky (opponents in bold):
Montana- 117 overall, 6th FCS
Weber- 118 overall, 7th FCS
EWU- 129 overall, 11th FCS
Montana State-136 overall, 13th FCS
Sac St-144 overall, 21st FCS
UC Davis-149 overall, 26th FCS
NAU- 165 overall, 38th FCS
Idaho- 168 overall, 41st FCS
Idaho St-179 overall, 52nd FCS
Southern Utah- 180 overall, 53rd FCS
Portland St- 182 overall, 55th FCS
Northern CO- 203 overall, 75th FCS
Cal Poly- 217 overall, 88th FCS

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

It appears the winning a couple of games in the spring season helps a bunch in the rankings.

I think that’s exactly what it is actually. At the beginning of the season, my understanding is that this algorithm takes into account the most recent games, which was the spring season (or 2 games in one instance). So as the season progresses, it has more relevant data to pull from and in theory becomes more accurate and stable with less of the big jumps up and down each week.

[Hawks86]

Sagarin is included in the Massey composite https://masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm

[Catsrgrood]

Sagarin is included in the Massey composite https://masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm

I know they’re all meaningless in their own way and there is no “authority” when it comes to rankings, but my understanding is that the Sagarin is based completely off of a computer algorithm they created.
While the Massey composite has various polls in it as well. So while it kind of evens itself out with all the different inputs they have, the Massey still has human bias in it vs an unbiased algorithm.

Kind of splitting hairs there on what’s “better”, but that’s why I had decided to look at Sagarin only back during last season, and I just decided to do the same thing this year.

[onceacat]

I kept track of this throughout the 2019 season. I know it has plenty of haters, but I thought it was interesting to watch throughout the season and see where it all ends up again. I’m a numbers guy so I always find this stuff interesting.

The first few weeks of the season will have big jumps up and down, but by the end of the season last year, when it had as much data as possible, it wasn’t too far off from how it all shook out.

Cats are starting the season at 136th overall and 13th in the FCS.

Wyoming- 63rd overall
Drake- 240 overall, 110th FCS
San Diego-225 overall, 95th FCS

Big Sky (opponents in bold):
Montana- 117 overall, 6th FCS
Weber- 118 overall, 7th FCS
EWU- 129 overall, 11th FCS
Montana State-136 overall, 13th FCS
Sac St-144 overall, 21st FCS
UC Davis-149 overall, 26th FCS
NAU- 165 overall, 38th FCS
Idaho- 168 overall, 41st FCS
Idaho St-179 overall, 52nd FCS
Southern Utah- 180 overall, 53rd FCS
Portland St- 182 overall, 55th FCS
Northern CO- 203 overall, 75th FCS
Cal Poly- 217 overall, 88th FCS

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

It appears the winning a couple of games in the spring season helps a bunch in the rankings.

I think that’s exactly what it is actually. At the beginning of the season, my understanding is that this algorithm takes into account the most recent games, which was the spring season (or 2 games in one instance). So as the season progresses, it has more relevant data to pull from and in theory becomes more accurate and stable with less of the big jumps up and down each week.

If you look at the points the algorithm gives each team, those top 5 BSC teams are bunched really closely. Probably splitting hairs at this point.

[Catsrgrood]

After week 1, Cats are 126th overall and 11th in the FCS.

Wyoming- 83rd overall
Drake- 246 overall, 115th FCS
San Diego- 232 overall, 101st FCS

Big Sky (opponents in bold):
Montana- 98 overall, 3rd FCS
Weber- 119 overall, 9th FCS
EWU- 123 overall, 10th FCS
Montana State- 126 overall, 11th FCS
UC Davis- 143 overall, 12th FCS
Sac St- 144 overall, 20th FCS
Idaho- 177 overall, 49th FCS
Portland St- 179 overall, 51st FCS
Southern Utah- 180 overall, 52nd FCS
NAU- 181 overall, 53rd FCS
Cal Poly- 186 overall, 58th FCS
Northern CO- 188 overall, 60th FCS
Idaho St-189 overall, 61st FCS

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

[Montanabob]

After week 1, Cats are 126th overall and 11th in the FCS.

Wyoming- 83rd overall
Drake- 246 overall, 115th FCS
San Diego- 232 overall, 101st FCS

Big Sky (opponents in bold):
Montana- 98 overall, 3rd FCS
Weber- 119 overall, 9th FCS
EWU- 123 overall, 10th FCS
Montana State- 126 overall, 11th FCS
UC Davis- 143 overall, 12th FCS
Sac St- 144 overall, 20th FCS
Idaho- 177 overall, 49th FCS
Portland St- 179 overall, 51st FCS
Southern Utah- 180 overall, 52nd FCS
NAU- 181 overall, 53rd FCS
Cal Poly- 186 overall, 58th FCS
Northern CO- 188 overall, 60th FCS
Idaho St-189 overall, 61st FCS

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Interesting that the basement teams are still in the top half of the FCS.

[kennethnoisewater]

After week 1, Cats are 126th overall and 11th in the FCS.

Wyoming- 83rd overall
Drake- 246 overall, 115th FCS
San Diego- 232 overall, 101st FCS

Big Sky (opponents in bold):
Montana- 98 overall, 3rd FCS
Weber- 119 overall, 9th FCS
EWU- 123 overall, 10th FCS
Montana State- 126 overall, 11th FCS
UC Davis- 143 overall, 12th FCS
Sac St- 144 overall, 20th FCS
Idaho- 177 overall, 49th FCS
Portland St- 179 overall, 51st FCS
Southern Utah- 180 overall, 52nd FCS
NAU- 181 overall, 53rd FCS
Cal Poly- 186 overall, 58th FCS
Northern CO- 188 overall, 60th FCS
Idaho St-189 overall, 61st FCS

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Interesting that the basement teams are still in the top half of the FCS.

Good point. Kinda like the SEC for FBS (with the exception of Vandy). Strong league from top to bottom and there are some real cellar dwellers in other conferences.

[onceacat]

After week 1, Cats are 126th overall and 11th in the FCS.

Wyoming- 83rd overall
Drake- 246 overall, 115th FCS
San Diego- 232 overall, 101st FCS

Big Sky (opponents in bold):
Montana- 98 overall, 3rd FCS
Weber- 119 overall, 9th FCS
EWU- 123 overall, 10th FCS
Montana State- 126 overall, 11th FCS
UC Davis- 143 overall, 12th FCS
Sac St- 144 overall, 20th FCS
Idaho- 177 overall, 49th FCS
Portland St- 179 overall, 51st FCS
Southern Utah- 180 overall, 52nd FCS
NAU- 181 overall, 53rd FCS
Cal Poly- 186 overall, 58th FCS
Northern CO- 188 overall, 60th FCS
Idaho St-189 overall, 61st FCS

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Interesting that the basement teams are still in the top half of the FCS.

Good point. Kinda like the SEC for FBS (with the exception of Vandy). Strong league from top to bottom and there are some real cellar dwellers in other conferences.

People have been saying this for a while...but the distance between the top 50 or so Power 5 teams & the rest of FCS is probably bigger than the difference between the G5/Bottom of the Power 5 & the top 15 or 20 FCS teams. Then theres another big drop to the rest of FCS.

We should do something like "relegation" in British Soccer: The Top 50 teams play a 9 game in conference & 3 game OOC schedule in the Power 5. Then the bottom 10 teams get relegated to a 75-90 School "Super G-5" Then you adjust teams accordingly.

Its kind of silly for us to still be playing the Drakes & ISUs at this point. And for 'Bama to be playing Vanderbilt.

[Bobcat4Ever]

We gained 10 spots overall after playing Wyoming. They dropped 20 spots.

[TomCat88]

After week 1, Cats are 126th overall and 11th in the FCS.

Wyoming- 83rd overall
Drake- 246 overall, 115th FCS
San Diego- 232 overall, 101st FCS

Big Sky (opponents in bold):
Montana- 98 overall, 3rd FCS
Weber- 119 overall, 9th FCS
EWU- 123 overall, 10th FCS
Montana State- 126 overall, 11th FCS
UC Davis- 143 overall, 12th FCS
Sac St- 144 overall, 20th FCS
Idaho- 177 overall, 49th FCS
Portland St- 179 overall, 51st FCS
Southern Utah- 180 overall, 52nd FCS
NAU- 181 overall, 53rd FCS
Cal Poly- 186 overall, 58th FCS
Northern CO- 188 overall, 60th FCS
Idaho St-189 overall, 61st FCS

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Interesting that the basement teams are still in the top half of the FCS.

Good point. Kinda like the SEC for FBS (with the exception of Vandy). Strong league from top to bottom and there are some real cellar dwellers in other conferences.

People have been saying this for a while...but the distance between the top 50 or so Power 5 teams & the rest of FCS is probably bigger than the difference between the G5/Bottom of the Power 5 & the top 15 or 20 FCS teams. Then theres another big drop to the rest of FCS.

We should do something like "relegation" in British Soccer: The Top 50 teams play a 9 game in conference & 3 game OOC schedule in the Power 5. Then the bottom 10 teams get relegated to a 75-90 School "Super G-5" Then you adjust teams accordingly.

Its kind of silly for us to still be playing the Drakes & ISUs at this point. And for 'Bama to be playing Vanderbilt.

I was just talking to someone about this (soccer relegation) for college football with someone on Monday. I think it's a great idea.

[kmax]

After week 1, Cats are 126th overall and 11th in the FCS.

Wyoming- 83rd overall
Drake- 246 overall, 115th FCS
San Diego- 232 overall, 101st FCS

Big Sky (opponents in bold):
Montana- 98 overall, 3rd FCS
Weber- 119 overall, 9th FCS
EWU- 123 overall, 10th FCS
Montana State- 126 overall, 11th FCS
UC Davis- 143 overall, 12th FCS
Sac St- 144 overall, 20th FCS
Idaho- 177 overall, 49th FCS
Portland St- 179 overall, 51st FCS
Southern Utah- 180 overall, 52nd FCS
NAU- 181 overall, 53rd FCS
Cal Poly- 186 overall, 58th FCS
Northern CO- 188 overall, 60th FCS
Idaho St-189 overall, 61st FCS

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Interesting that the basement teams are still in the top half of the FCS.

Good point. Kinda like the SEC for FBS (with the exception of Vandy). Strong league from top to bottom and there are some real cellar dwellers in other conferences.

People have been saying this for a while...but the distance between the top 50 or so Power 5 teams & the rest of FCS is probably bigger than the difference between the G5/Bottom of the Power 5 & the top 15 or 20 FCS teams. Then theres another big drop to the rest of FCS.

We should do something like "relegation" in British Soccer: The Top 50 teams play a 9 game in conference & 3 game OOC schedule in the Power 5. Then the bottom 10 teams get relegated to a 75-90 School "Super G-5" Then you adjust teams accordingly.

Its kind of silly for us to still be playing the Drakes & ISUs at this point. And for 'Bama to be playing Vanderbilt.

I was just talking to someone about this (soccer relegation) for college football with someone on Monday. I think it's a great idea.

Have been a proponent of this for a long time. But it makes too much sense, and breaks up the historical conference concept so it will never happen.

[onceacat]

After week 1, Cats are 126th overall and 11th in the FCS.

Wyoming- 83rd overall
Drake- 246 overall, 115th FCS
San Diego- 232 overall, 101st FCS

Big Sky (opponents in bold):
Montana- 98 overall, 3rd FCS
Weber- 119 overall, 9th FCS
EWU- 123 overall, 10th FCS
Montana State- 126 overall, 11th FCS
UC Davis- 143 overall, 12th FCS
Sac St- 144 overall, 20th FCS
Idaho- 177 overall, 49th FCS
Portland St- 179 overall, 51st FCS
Southern Utah- 180 overall, 52nd FCS
NAU- 181 overall, 53rd FCS
Cal Poly- 186 overall, 58th FCS
Northern CO- 188 overall, 60th FCS
Idaho St-189 overall, 61st FCS

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Interesting that the basement teams are still in the top half of the FCS.

Good point. Kinda like the SEC for FBS (with the exception of Vandy). Strong league from top to bottom and there are some real cellar dwellers in other conferences.

People have been saying this for a while...but the distance between the top 50 or so Power 5 teams & the rest of FCS is probably bigger than the difference between the G5/Bottom of the Power 5 & the top 15 or 20 FCS teams. Then theres another big drop to the rest of FCS.

We should do something like "relegation" in British Soccer: The Top 50 teams play a 9 game in conference & 3 game OOC schedule in the Power 5. Then the bottom 10 teams get relegated to a 75-90 School "Super G-5" Then you adjust teams accordingly.

Its kind of silly for us to still be playing the Drakes & ISUs at this point. And for 'Bama to be playing Vanderbilt.

I was just talking to someone about this (soccer relegation) for college football with someone on Monday. I think it's a great idea.

Have been a proponent of this for a long time. But it makes too much sense, and breaks up the historical conference concept so it will never happen.

Yep. Kind a pipe dream. I mean, no big deal to have Texas, Mizzou, A&M & Oklahoma all get poached by the SEC. But we wouldn't want to break up long term history like Montana playing Southern Utah.

[Catsrgrood]

After week 2, Cats are 120th overall and 10th in the FCS.

Wyoming- 65th overall
Drake- 238 overall, 107th FCS
San Diego- 240 overall, 109th FCS

Big Sky (opponents in bold):
Montana- 92 overall, 3rd FCS
Weber- 112 overall, 7th FCS
UC Davis- 117 overall, 8th FCS
EWU- 118 overall, 9th FCS
Montana State- 120 overall, 10th FCS
Sac St- 159 overall, 33rd FCS
Northern CO- 171 overall, 42nd FCS
Portland St- 175 overall, 46th FCS
Idaho- 177 overall, 48th FCS
Southern Utah- 184 overall, 55th FCS
NAU- 186 overall, 57th FCS
Idaho St-188 overall, 59th FCS
Cal Poly- 217 overall, 86th FCS

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

[Long Time Cat]

After week 2, Cats are 120th overall and 10th in the FCS.

Wyoming- 65th overall
Drake- 238 overall, 107th FCS
San Diego- 240 overall, 109th FCS

Big Sky (opponents in bold):
Montana- 92 overall, 3rd FCS
Weber- 112 overall, 7th FCS
UC Davis- 117 overall, 8th FCS
EWU- 118 overall, 9th FCS
Montana State- 120 overall, 10th FCS
Sac St- 159 overall, 33rd FCS
Northern CO- 171 overall, 42nd FCS
Portland St- 175 overall, 46th FCS
Idaho- 177 overall, 48th FCS
Southern Utah- 184 overall, 55th FCS
NAU- 186 overall, 57th FCS
Idaho St-188 overall, 59th FCS
Cal Poly- 217 overall, 86th FCS

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Washington 43rd overall

[Catsrgrood]

After week 3, Cats are 113th overall and 10th in the FCS.

Wyoming- 51st overall
Drake- 240 overall, 110th FCS
San Diego- 241 overall, 111th FCS

Big Sky (opponents in bold):
Montana- 89 overall, 4th FCS
UC Davis- 112 overall, 9th FCS
Montana State- 113 overall, 10th FCS
Weber- 115 overall, 11th FCS
EWU- 129 overall, 17th FCS
Sac St- 150 overall, 28th FCS
NAU- 171 overall, 44th FCS
Portland St- 175 overall, 48th FCS
Southern Utah- 181 overall, 54th FCS
Idaho- 183 overall, 56th FCS
Northern CO- 190 overall, 63rd FCS
Idaho St-193 overall, 65th FCS
Cal Poly- 220 overall, 90th FCS

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

[CatBot]

After week 3, Cats are 113th overall and 10th in the FCS.

Wyoming- 51st overall
Drake- 240 overall, 110th FCS
San Diego- 241 overall, 111th FCS

Big Sky (opponents in bold):
Montana- 89 overall, 4th FCS
UC Davis- 112 overall, 9th FCS
Montana State- 113 overall, 10th FCS
Weber- 115 overall, 11th FCS
EWU- 129 overall, 17th FCS
Sac St- 150 overall, 28th FCS
NAU- 171 overall, 44th FCS
Portland St- 175 overall, 48th FCS
Southern Utah- 181 overall, 54th FCS
Idaho- 183 overall, 56th FCS
Northern CO- 190 overall, 63rd FCS
Idaho St-193 overall, 65th FCS
Cal Poly- 220 overall, 90th FCS

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Washington 23.

(I'll always go look for Washington...perhaps you can add it each week since you're in there anyway?)

[Catsrgrood]

After week 4, Cats are 121st overall and 13th in the FCS.

Wyoming- 67th overall
Drake- 244 overall, 114th FCS
San Diego- 243 overall, 113th FCS

Big Sky (opponents in bold):
Montana- 77 overall, 3rd FCS
UC Davis- 106 overall, 8th FCS
EWU- 114 overall, 9th FCS
Weber- 117 overall, 11th FCS
Montana State- 121 overall, 13th FCS
Sac St- 150 overall, 29th FCS
NAU- 180 overall, 53rd FCS
Idaho- 182 overall, 54th FCS
Portland St- 186 overall, 58th FCS
Southern Utah- 197 overall, 68th FCS
Idaho St-198 overall, 69th FCS
Northern CO- 199 overall, 70th FCS
Cal Poly- 218 overall, 88th FCS

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

[onceacat]

After week 4, Cats are 121st overall and 13th in the FCS.

Wyoming- 67th overall
Drake- 244 overall, 114th FCS
San Diego- 243 overall, 113th FCS

Big Sky (opponents in bold):
Montana- 77 overall, 3rd FCS
UC Davis- 106 overall, 8th FCS
EWU- 114 overall, 9th FCS
Weber- 117 overall, 11th FCS
Montana State- 121 overall, 13th FCS
Sac St- 150 overall, 29th FCS
NAU- 180 overall, 53rd FCS
Idaho- 182 overall, 54th FCS
Portland St- 186 overall, 58th FCS
Southern Utah- 197 overall, 68th FCS
Idaho St-198 overall, 69th FCS
Northern CO- 199 overall, 70th FCS
Cal Poly- 218 overall, 88th FCS

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Man,what does it take to jump Weber!?