bobcat99 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:00 am
BobcatDel wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:40 pm
bobcat99 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 7:11 am
Montanabob wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 2:59 am
So one athlete just got $2 million for NIL. Explain to me how it's not pay to play
A little context is needed here.
Hercy Miller got a $2 million deal over 4 years. Who is Hercy Miller? He’s the son of Master P. To some of you, that means nothing. But he’s a pretty famous rapper and producer, worth a few hundred mil. That is why Hercy is getting the deal, which isn’t from the school. It’s from a company that as far as I know, has no connection to the school.
So you tell me, how is this pay for play? Bc the deal is mainly bc of who the kids dad is.
In the Miller case perhaps it is or perhaps it is not. I don’t know. But several of the other examples popping up and earnings approaching $million being quoted border on pay for play. Kids have developed name recognition starting with their college athletics through a university and have built “followings” from that exposure. Schools can and some “will” promise or develop pipelines to draw kids promising they will enhance their images and value. Whether you call that pay for play or not, they will use the promise of financial incentives or potential earnings to lure kids.
It is just too early in the game for me to predict all the scenarios that may happen…..but when you start talking money at these levels some strange things happen…unforeseen schemes. Creative minds will garner ideas and implement plans to make money we probably don’t foresee today and lure kids to your university.
Some of the numbers being quoted in Newsweek were interesting…. Describing what followers on different social media platforms were worth. All kinds of scenarios can be thought of. A negative example….. Can some of the focus on promoting themselves or maintaining a social media image take away from a college athletes training time, alter on-the-court behavior or appearance, or lower meeting educational expectations. If it does in a negative way and a kid gets benched, is the coach liable for reducing his/her playing time thus impacting social media value and can the athlete….she/he sue the school for value impact?
I know Congress said they would work with the NCAA to draft a set of workable rules to guide programs….but from everything I am seeing the train is well down the tracks and moving quickly in a lot of areas.
Schools have promised athletes good jobs because of the connections at the school. So now they’ll promote possible NIL contracts bc of connections and that’s pay for play? That logic doesn’t hold up to me.
You’re also way off base on thinking the colleges make them popular, and make them known. They help in that regard, but a lot of these athletes are well known commodities before college. Take that gymnast from LSU, she doesn’t have a million followers because she goes to LSU, she has those followers for a few other reasons, all having to do with herself. Why shouldn’t she be allowed to profit off of that, if she wants to?
At the end of the day, universities have made big business out of college football. Coaching staffs cost tens of millions a year. Hundreds of millions in facilities. BILLIONS in revenue. And we don’t think the main people involved should be able to make money? What a crock of ****** that is. People here are quick to spout “jimmies and joes, not X’s and O’s“, but apparently that doesn’t count when it comes to profiting, right?
For us ignorant types…what do you mean “jimmies and Joe’s”?
So you think “most” of the universities in the NCAA make “billions” in revenue? Interesting perspective. Most of the programs I know, at least at our level, make barely enough to fund the athletic departments to keep the rest of the kids on the court in uniforms. Look at all the schools, even some Power 5 conferences, dropping other sports programs during this Covid crisis…that tells you revenues are not large enough across the spectrum to pay to continue participation. Lot of those new buildings I am familiar with come on the backs of private wealthy donors or local special taxation benefits and not university athletic revenues…..of course success on the court or field tends to open up the pocket books.
So you think Dunne would be popular as she is without a platform like LSU? Another interesting perspective. She is undoubtedly a great athlete on her own. Guess she could have participated in some exclusive gymnastic club and skipped college and tried to build her popularity that way. She could have had a marketing campaign to convince everyone she was good, really really good even though she may not have had the same level of competition to compete against to showcase her skills. She could have sought out private sponsors while at the private club until she reached a level to make the Olympic trials without competing against NCAA talent. But yeah guess this dumb old country kid thinks LSU kinda helps her showcase her skill set against the top competition in the country on national TV at times and does help her build her popularity even more. Oh well..just ignorant I guess.
There certainly are schools in the upper echelon that are very wealthy as you note and they will certainly have a new way in to recruiting kids. Take the University of Texas. I don’t know of any other school that has their own TV Network….maybe they are out there. But what an advantage to tell a kid in any sport…golf, tennis, volleyball, dumpster diving…etc. that you are guaranteed National and regional TV exposure to help you with branding and selling your image. You don’t think that is bordering on “pay to play”?
Yep. Paying kids $30 to 80,000 scholarships (at least within scholarship limits) has always been done and is certainly more than I was paid to go to school. And yes schools have helped kids get summer jobs to help during summer months. Those all had to go through a rigorous review to meet NCAA protocol…they do here in Bozeman anyway. And yes boosters have been able to help with summer school fees and costs for many years again all applied to educational needs. And yes FCOA is something that should be pursued to help athletes. And certainly some level of compensation may be worthy for kids. But how much is that….is it a few thousand, is it millions, is in tens of millions, is it “the skies the limit”? Will college sports become like semi-pro, minor league or farm teams? Why have any scholarship limits now? What is the definition of amateur sports in the new world? Can a team that doesn’t foster business opportunities in NIL even compete in the new world and can colleges create new methods to harness marketing their kids and conversely get a piece of the action to help fund athletics too (kinda like sports agents to the pros)? What is the liability for ruining reputation and damage to NIL?
I am not saying I am against this change…..I am saying that we are entering a new era in college athletics and for the size of some of the dollars being discussed it will create scenarios we don’t envision now. You may be perfectly happy with it…great