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Re: Montana Recruits 2022

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Sun Apr 03, 2022 7:00 am

Choate was a great salesman. Salesmen aren’t always 100% accurate.



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Re: Montana Recruits 2022

Post by Hawks86 » Sun Apr 03, 2022 7:53 am

His 10.88 was run in Butte on 04/11/2017, which was Dillon's 5th meet, and here was the weather https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa ... &year=2017


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Re: Montana Recruits 2022

Post by BobcatDel » Sun Apr 03, 2022 8:07 am

arvcat2 wrote:
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For those looking to compare, Troy ran a 10.88 in his fastest run in high school. I'm not sure how much faster a tenth of a second looks like on the field, but I'd have to think it's fairly comparable.
Depends on a lot, as in football you’re pretty much never running 100 meters. Some sprinters get up to top speed very quickly, but then plateau at that speed. Some take a little bit to get to top gear and then pull away from people. Regardless, anybody running sub 11 is fast. Troy also ran his 10.88 towards the end of the track season, Dowler is just getting started. If coached right, he should peak towards the end.
For what it's worth, Andersen's 10.88 was ran in his senior year in the first meet of the spring in a snow storm in Belgrade.
More proof nobody should ever listen to me.
He actually ran his 10.88 in the 3rd meet, in Butte. He did win the 100 in Belgrade, but it was his second-worst time of the year (11.09). I thought he was most impressive running the 200...he basically had no slow down in him in the 2nd 100.

But you're right...theoretically Taco should get a little faster by the end of the season unless that was slightly wind aided. Get him in good weather against good competition, I bet he comes down another couple hundredths.
Yep..was going to say same on his 10.88 at Butte. Earlier he had a 10.89 in Corvallis. And he had a 10.90 in a prelim run at State meet at end of season. Three or four other 10.9+ish runs through season.
A Choate quote pulled from Skyline Sports article of August 20, 2017:

“I like everything about Troy Andersen,” Choate said earlier this camp. “I like the fact that he’s never had a B in his life. I like the fact that he’s 6-foot-3, 215 pounds and can run a 10.8 100 in Montana in a blizzard in Belgrade in March."

Was Choate short term memory full of sh#t?
I don’t doubt Choate said it….and if it was real or if he was just using hype in talking to the press/boosters. But if you look at Troy’s times in the 100 for the year they are all available online for every sanctioned meet and all the events he participated in. All I can say is the Belgrade 10.88 is not listed whereas the other times quoted are.



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Re: Montana Recruits 2022

Post by kennethnoisewater » Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:51 am

arvcat2 wrote:
Sun Apr 03, 2022 6:27 am
BobcatDel wrote:
Sun Apr 03, 2022 12:23 am
kennethnoisewater wrote:
Sun Apr 03, 2022 12:01 am
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 5:20 pm
arvcat2 wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 2:43 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 12:54 pm
blueandgoldblitz wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 11:35 am
VimSince03 wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 10:26 am
For those looking to compare, Troy ran a 10.88 in his fastest run in high school. I'm not sure how much faster a tenth of a second looks like on the field, but I'd have to think it's fairly comparable.
Depends on a lot, as in football you’re pretty much never running 100 meters. Some sprinters get up to top speed very quickly, but then plateau at that speed. Some take a little bit to get to top gear and then pull away from people. Regardless, anybody running sub 11 is fast. Troy also ran his 10.88 towards the end of the track season, Dowler is just getting started. If coached right, he should peak towards the end.
For what it's worth, Andersen's 10.88 was ran in his senior year in the first meet of the spring in a snow storm in Belgrade.
More proof nobody should ever listen to me.
He actually ran his 10.88 in the 3rd meet, in Butte. He did win the 100 in Belgrade, but it was his second-worst time of the year (11.09). I thought he was most impressive running the 200...he basically had no slow down in him in the 2nd 100.

But you're right...theoretically Taco should get a little faster by the end of the season unless that was slightly wind aided. Get him in good weather against good competition, I bet he comes down another couple hundredths.
Yep..was going to say same on his 10.88 at Butte. Earlier he had a 10.89 in Corvallis. And he had a 10.90 in a prelim run at State meet at end of season. Three or four other 10.9+ish runs through season.
A Choate quote pulled from Skyline Sports article of August 20, 2017:

“I like everything about Troy Andersen,” Choate said earlier this camp. “I like the fact that he’s never had a B in his life. I like the fact that he’s 6-foot-3, 215 pounds and can run a 10.8 100 in Montana in a blizzard in Belgrade in March."

Was Choate short term memory full of sh#t?
Choate is a talker. That's one of the things we all loved about him. But it's possible he was exaggerating, or got some bad info, or got confused.

https://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/ ... ID=6681731


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Re: Montana Recruits 2022

Post by kwcat » Sun Apr 03, 2022 10:27 am

kennethnoisewater wrote:
Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:51 am
arvcat2 wrote:
Sun Apr 03, 2022 6:27 am
BobcatDel wrote:
Sun Apr 03, 2022 12:23 am
kennethnoisewater wrote:
Sun Apr 03, 2022 12:01 am
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 5:20 pm
arvcat2 wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 2:43 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 12:54 pm
blueandgoldblitz wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 11:35 am
VimSince03 wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 10:26 am
For those looking to compare, Troy ran a 10.88 in his fastest run in high school. I'm not sure how much faster a tenth of a second looks like on the field, but I'd have to think it's fairly comparable.
Depends on a lot, as in football you’re pretty much never running 100 meters. Some sprinters get up to top speed very quickly, but then plateau at that speed. Some take a little bit to get to top gear and then pull away from people. Regardless, anybody running sub 11 is fast. Troy also ran his 10.88 towards the end of the track season, Dowler is just getting started. If coached right, he should peak towards the end.
For what it's worth, Andersen's 10.88 was ran in his senior year in the first meet of the spring in a snow storm in Belgrade.
More proof nobody should ever listen to me.
He actually ran his 10.88 in the 3rd meet, in Butte. He did win the 100 in Belgrade, but it was his second-worst time of the year (11.09). I thought he was most impressive running the 200...he basically had no slow down in him in the 2nd 100.

But you're right...theoretically Taco should get a little faster by the end of the season unless that was slightly wind aided. Get him in good weather against good competition, I bet he comes down another couple hundredths.
Yep..was going to say same on his 10.88 at Butte. Earlier he had a 10.89 in Corvallis. And he had a 10.90 in a prelim run at State meet at end of season. Three or four other 10.9+ish runs through season.
A Choate quote pulled from Skyline Sports article of August 20, 2017:

“I like everything about Troy Andersen,” Choate said earlier this camp. “I like the fact that he’s never had a B in his life. I like the fact that he’s 6-foot-3, 215 pounds and can run a 10.8 100 in Montana in a blizzard in Belgrade in March."

Was Choate short term memory full of sh#t?
Choate is a talker. That's one of the things we all loved about him. But it's possible he was exaggerating, or got some bad info, or got confused.

https://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/ ... ID=6681731
While it is possible that troy did run the 10.8, I don’t think Choate said he did he said he can. Barnum also talked about playing Montana State one time and how the Montana State players get off the bus larger than mountains drinking whiskey!
There is some entertainment value to be considered. Some people don’t know the difference. Nonetheless Choate was a promoter and that is part of the game.
Incidentally I know more than one track meet at the high school level that didn’t accurately report all of their results over the years. Pre-lims included



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Re: Montana Recruits 2022

Post by kennethnoisewater » Sun Apr 03, 2022 11:25 am

kwcat wrote:
Sun Apr 03, 2022 10:27 am
kennethnoisewater wrote:
Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:51 am
arvcat2 wrote:
Sun Apr 03, 2022 6:27 am
BobcatDel wrote:
Sun Apr 03, 2022 12:23 am
kennethnoisewater wrote:
Sun Apr 03, 2022 12:01 am
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 5:20 pm
arvcat2 wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 2:43 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 12:54 pm
blueandgoldblitz wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 11:35 am
VimSince03 wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 10:26 am
For those looking to compare, Troy ran a 10.88 in his fastest run in high school. I'm not sure how much faster a tenth of a second looks like on the field, but I'd have to think it's fairly comparable.
Depends on a lot, as in football you’re pretty much never running 100 meters. Some sprinters get up to top speed very quickly, but then plateau at that speed. Some take a little bit to get to top gear and then pull away from people. Regardless, anybody running sub 11 is fast. Troy also ran his 10.88 towards the end of the track season, Dowler is just getting started. If coached right, he should peak towards the end.
For what it's worth, Andersen's 10.88 was ran in his senior year in the first meet of the spring in a snow storm in Belgrade.
More proof nobody should ever listen to me.
He actually ran his 10.88 in the 3rd meet, in Butte. He did win the 100 in Belgrade, but it was his second-worst time of the year (11.09). I thought he was most impressive running the 200...he basically had no slow down in him in the 2nd 100.

But you're right...theoretically Taco should get a little faster by the end of the season unless that was slightly wind aided. Get him in good weather against good competition, I bet he comes down another couple hundredths.
Yep..was going to say same on his 10.88 at Butte. Earlier he had a 10.89 in Corvallis. And he had a 10.90 in a prelim run at State meet at end of season. Three or four other 10.9+ish runs through season.
A Choate quote pulled from Skyline Sports article of August 20, 2017:

“I like everything about Troy Andersen,” Choate said earlier this camp. “I like the fact that he’s never had a B in his life. I like the fact that he’s 6-foot-3, 215 pounds and can run a 10.8 100 in Montana in a blizzard in Belgrade in March."

Was Choate short term memory full of sh#t?
Choate is a talker. That's one of the things we all loved about him. But it's possible he was exaggerating, or got some bad info, or got confused.

https://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/ ... ID=6681731
While it is possible that troy did run the 10.8, I don’t think Choate said he did he said he can. Barnum also talked about playing Montana State one time and how the Montana State players get off the bus larger than mountains drinking whiskey!
There is some entertainment value to be considered. Some people don’t know the difference. Nonetheless Choate was a promoter and that is part of the game.
Incidentally I know more than one track meet at the high school level that didn’t accurately report all of their results over the years. Pre-lims included
Well sure, that's always a possibility. But in the last 15 or so years, basically every track meet generates results based on a camera that is synced up with the timer. Troy's times don't show any big outliers, except maybe the finals at state (which he won at .41 seconds slower than his PR). And I realize Choate did say Troy CAN run a 10.8 in a blizzard in Belgrade in March, but that seems like a pretty specific statement. Seems to me he was pointing to a specific race and he just got his wires crossed about the specifics. Doesn't matter much...the guy's unbelievable.


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Re: Montana Recruits 2022

Post by vike_king » Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:55 pm

kennethnoisewater wrote:
Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:51 am
arvcat2 wrote:
Sun Apr 03, 2022 6:27 am
BobcatDel wrote:
Sun Apr 03, 2022 12:23 am
kennethnoisewater wrote:
Sun Apr 03, 2022 12:01 am
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 5:20 pm
arvcat2 wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 2:43 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 12:54 pm
blueandgoldblitz wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 11:35 am
VimSince03 wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 10:26 am
For those looking to compare, Troy ran a 10.88 in his fastest run in high school. I'm not sure how much faster a tenth of a second looks like on the field, but I'd have to think it's fairly comparable.
Depends on a lot, as in football you’re pretty much never running 100 meters. Some sprinters get up to top speed very quickly, but then plateau at that speed. Some take a little bit to get to top gear and then pull away from people. Regardless, anybody running sub 11 is fast. Troy also ran his 10.88 towards the end of the track season, Dowler is just getting started. If coached right, he should peak towards the end.
For what it's worth, Andersen's 10.88 was ran in his senior year in the first meet of the spring in a snow storm in Belgrade.
More proof nobody should ever listen to me.
He actually ran his 10.88 in the 3rd meet, in Butte. He did win the 100 in Belgrade, but it was his second-worst time of the year (11.09). I thought he was most impressive running the 200...he basically had no slow down in him in the 2nd 100.

But you're right...theoretically Taco should get a little faster by the end of the season unless that was slightly wind aided. Get him in good weather against good competition, I bet he comes down another couple hundredths.
Yep..was going to say same on his 10.88 at Butte. Earlier he had a 10.89 in Corvallis. And he had a 10.90 in a prelim run at State meet at end of season. Three or four other 10.9+ish runs through season.
A Choate quote pulled from Skyline Sports article of August 20, 2017:

“I like everything about Troy Andersen,” Choate said earlier this camp. “I like the fact that he’s never had a B in his life. I like the fact that he’s 6-foot-3, 215 pounds and can run a 10.8 100 in Montana in a blizzard in Belgrade in March."

Was Choate short term memory full of sh#t?
Choate is a talker. That's one of the things we all loved about him. But it's possible he was exaggerating, or got some bad info, or got confused.

https://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/ ... ID=6681731

I am sure coach was just rounding.........


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Re: Montana Recruits 2022

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Transfer running back from San Diego State.



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Re: Montana Recruits 2022

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Transfer running back from San Diego State.

Wrong thread but wanted to remind everyone about my post from last month.

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Transfer running back from San Diego State.

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Re: Montana Recruits 2022

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Montanabob wrote:
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Transfer running back from San Diego State.

https://aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/ ... fer-portal
The biggest takeaway from the SDSU board? He deserved more carries.


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Re: Montana Recruits 2022

Post by kennethnoisewater » Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:19 am

AFCAT wrote:
Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:46 am
Transfer running back from San Diego State.

Interesting that he's been in the portal since Christmas Eve. Wonder if he was holding out for something bigger or if that's how long it takes for teams to let their rosters shake out. Also interesting that he's buddies with Koby Duru--they've retweeted each other's stuff a few times. Seems like a good one.

I have serious doubts we'll see Ifanse play this year, and I think there's a chance he doesn't play for MSU again.


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Re: Montana Recruits 2022

Post by AFCAT » Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:36 am

VimSince03 wrote:
Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:01 am
AFCAT wrote:
Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:46 am
Transfer running back from San Diego State.

Wrong thread but wanted to remind everyone about my post from last month.

https://bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/viewt ... 57#p776757
Oops, I meant to put it in the recruiting thread.


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Re: Montana Recruits 2022

Post by BleedingBLue » Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:52 am

kennethnoisewater wrote:
Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:19 am
AFCAT wrote:
Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:46 am
Transfer running back from San Diego State.

Interesting that he's been in the portal since Christmas Eve. Wonder if he was holding out for something bigger or if that's how long it takes for teams to let their rosters shake out. Also interesting that he's buddies with Koby Duru--they've retweeted each other's stuff a few times. Seems like a good one.

I have serious doubts we'll see Ifanse play this year, and I think there's a chance he doesn't play for MSU again.
More info please!



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Re: Montana Recruits 2022

Post by VimSince03 » Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:21 am

BleedingBLue wrote:
Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:52 am
kennethnoisewater wrote:
Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:19 am
AFCAT wrote:
Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:46 am
Transfer running back from San Diego State.

Interesting that he's been in the portal since Christmas Eve. Wonder if he was holding out for something bigger or if that's how long it takes for teams to let their rosters shake out. Also interesting that he's buddies with Koby Duru--they've retweeted each other's stuff a few times. Seems like a good one.

I have serious doubts we'll see Ifanse play this year, and I think there's a chance he doesn't play for MSU again.
More info please!
He is banged up...significantly. No one (including him) knows how the knee is going to respond by this fall.


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Re: Montana Recruits 2022

Post by kennethnoisewater » Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:36 am

BleedingBLue wrote:
Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:52 am
kennethnoisewater wrote:
Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:19 am
AFCAT wrote:
Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:46 am
Transfer running back from San Diego State.

Interesting that he's been in the portal since Christmas Eve. Wonder if he was holding out for something bigger or if that's how long it takes for teams to let their rosters shake out. Also interesting that he's buddies with Koby Duru--they've retweeted each other's stuff a few times. Seems like a good one.

I have serious doubts we'll see Ifanse play this year, and I think there's a chance he doesn't play for MSU again.
More info please!
Mostly a hunch and reading between the lines. I know he's injured and it only makes sense that he might not be healthy enough to go 100% by fall. I think he wants a chance to play professionally, so he's going to want to make damn sure he's healthy or he might do a medical redshirt. I also feel like if MSU is wanting to bring in a transfer RB it means one of two things. Either Ifanse POSSIBLY isn't playing or there's just not another good RB on the roster. I realize we didn't see much out of the rest of the RB's on the roster last season, so that could be all there is there, but I kinda believe one of those guys is a solid backup by this next season. I don't know Ifanse and don't have any info other than some rumors, so take this with a grain of salt...


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Re: Montana Recruits 2022

Post by PHAT CAT » Sat Apr 09, 2022 12:20 am

kennethnoisewater wrote:
Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:36 am
BleedingBLue wrote:
Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:52 am
kennethnoisewater wrote:
Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:19 am
AFCAT wrote:
Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:46 am
Transfer running back from San Diego State.

Interesting that he's been in the portal since Christmas Eve. Wonder if he was holding out for something bigger or if that's how long it takes for teams to let their rosters shake out. Also interesting that he's buddies with Koby Duru--they've retweeted each other's stuff a few times. Seems like a good one.

I have serious doubts we'll see Ifanse play this year, and I think there's a chance he doesn't play for MSU again.
More info please!
Mostly a hunch and reading between the lines. I know he's injured and it only makes sense that he might not be healthy enough to go 100% by fall. I think he wants a chance to play professionally, so he's going to want to make damn sure he's healthy or he might do a medical redshirt. I also feel like if MSU is wanting to bring in a transfer RB it means one of two things. Either Ifanse POSSIBLY isn't playing or there's just not another good RB on the roster. I realize we didn't see much out of the rest of the RB's on the roster last season, so that could be all there is there, but I kinda believe one of those guys is a solid backup by this next season. I don't know Ifanse and don't have any info other than some rumors, so take this with a grain of salt...
All right. Now I need to make one call. I'll get this ****** cleared up fast. I think you're reading to much into it. Like way too much.



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Re: Montana Recruits 2022

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:15 am

We need a transfer because we run the ball a lot, and Mellott and Ifanse can’t carry that entire load by themselves. Maybe Ifanse is hurt, maybe he isn’t, but either way, they need another back.



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Re: Montana Recruits 2022

Post by Common Cat » Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:48 pm

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Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:15 am
We need a transfer because we run the ball a lot, and Mellott and Ifanse can’t carry that entire load by themselves. Maybe Ifanse is hurt, maybe he isn’t, but either way, they need another back.
We didn’t exactly use the “stable” of running backs we had last year. I wasn’t impressed with how heavily we leaned on Ifanse.


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Re: Montana Recruits 2022

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:14 pm

Common Cat wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:48 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:15 am
We need a transfer because we run the ball a lot, and Mellott and Ifanse can’t carry that entire load by themselves. Maybe Ifanse is hurt, maybe he isn’t, but either way, they need another back.
We didn’t exactly use the “stable” of running backs we had last year. I wasn’t impressed with how heavily we leaned on Ifanse.
So at Wyoming Vigen had no problem using multiple backs. He has typically not relied on only one back. This would indicate the coaching staff didn’t think the “stable” of backs was very impressive.



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