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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by bobcat99 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:04 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:09 pm
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I think kennethnoisewater brings up a valid point but I also think there's a bigger thing that's being missed in this whole equation. Class of 21 is going to get screwed as they come in they're not going to be able to get scholarships to schools that they should have. They're not going to get the D1 scholarships they're going to have to go to a D2 school for a year and see if they can make anything happen there and hope they can transfer later. That whole group is going to be crushed in the we got too many people already here that are going to stay here to get a scholarship to D1
This is the biggest issue in my mind. You might have 120 kids committed to the program next year, but can only award 63 scholarships among 85 kids. The NCAA has to adjust the rule for the next couple of years or kids will get screwed. I am actually amazed that this hasn’t occurred yet.
Adjusting the rules isn’t the biggest problem, if you ask me.

It’s the $$$. Sure, give out 20 more scholarships, but at some point, you have to decrease it down to what it was before, and you gotta pay for that! Schools like MSU can’t afford it.



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by iaafan » Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:20 pm

bobcat99 wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:16 am
Sac State is doing the right thing.

Unless they cancel the fall season again, how the heck are you going to have 6-8 games in the spring, then turn around and play a full fall season? You wanna talk about health risks?! That’s a bigger health risk than Covid for these young men.
I respect, but disagree with the health risk statement you made. NFL plays 16+ games with less players in one season (4-5 months). I don’t see why college can’t play 19-22 over -10 month period.

Respect your concern with health of college players.



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by Montanabob » Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:25 pm

bobcat99 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:04 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:09 pm
Montanabob wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:15 pm
I think kennethnoisewater brings up a valid point but I also think there's a bigger thing that's being missed in this whole equation. Class of 21 is going to get screwed as they come in they're not going to be able to get scholarships to schools that they should have. They're not going to get the D1 scholarships they're going to have to go to a D2 school for a year and see if they can make anything happen there and hope they can transfer later. That whole group is going to be crushed in the we got too many people already here that are going to stay here to get a scholarship to D1
This is the biggest issue in my mind. You might have 120 kids committed to the program next year, but can only award 63 scholarships among 85 kids. The NCAA has to adjust the rule for the next couple of years or kids will get screwed. I am actually amazed that this hasn’t occurred yet.
Adjusting the rules isn’t the biggest problem, if you ask me.

It’s the $$$. Sure, give out 20 more scholarships, but at some point, you have to decrease it down to what it was before, and you gotta pay for that! Schools like MSU can’t afford it.
Montana schools are probably better off than most FCS, but this might be the final straw for some, UNC and PSU


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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by BozoneCat » Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:55 pm

iaafan wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:20 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:16 am
Sac State is doing the right thing.

Unless they cancel the fall season again, how the heck are you going to have 6-8 games in the spring, then turn around and play a full fall season? You wanna talk about health risks?! That’s a bigger health risk than Covid for these young men.
I respect, but disagree with the health risk statement you made. NFL plays 16+ games with less players in one season (4-5 months). I don’t see why college can’t play 19-22 over -10 month period.

Respect your concern with health of college players.
Respectfully disagree. Yes, NFL players play 16+ games each season. But they are full-grown adults, with generally unlimited financial resources and access to anything money can buy when it comes to training, recovery, rehab, etc. It's their job, they don't have any other major concerns - they can pay people to take care of kids, mow the lawn, cook meals, etc. College kids have none of those things, are not yet fully developed physically (still blow ME away, but I digress), and have the very real stress of school that (even at joke colleges like EWU) still takes a lot of time away from football.

As a sports specialist, I think spring football is a terrible idea. The only way I can get behind it is if the coaches play the "season" using only kids they don't plan on getting time once the fall season starts, kind of an extended practice session that gets a lot of young guys valuable experience.


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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by coloradocat » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:08 pm

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Getting some strong déjà vu vibes. This timing sounds like it gives schools (BSC and FCS in general) three more weeks to cancel for the spring. I especially like the use of the word "should".


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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by bobcat99 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:05 pm

iaafan wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:20 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:16 am
Sac State is doing the right thing.

Unless they cancel the fall season again, how the heck are you going to have 6-8 games in the spring, then turn around and play a full fall season? You wanna talk about health risks?! That’s a bigger health risk than Covid for these young men.
I respect, but disagree with the health risk statement you made. NFL plays 16+ games with less players in one season (4-5 months). I don’t see why college can’t play 19-22 over -10 month period.

Respect your concern with health of college players.
Full grown adults + only responsibility/job is football + professional trainers/medical staff + they’re getting paid plus pension for the veterans. Those are not options college students have. Especially the getting paid part.



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by onceacat » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:44 pm

bobcat99 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:05 pm
iaafan wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:20 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:16 am
Sac State is doing the right thing.

Unless they cancel the fall season again, how the heck are you going to have 6-8 games in the spring, then turn around and play a full fall season? You wanna talk about health risks?! That’s a bigger health risk than Covid for these young men.
I respect, but disagree with the health risk statement you made. NFL plays 16+ games with less players in one season (4-5 months). I don’t see why college can’t play 19-22 over -10 month period.

Respect your concern with health of college players.
Full grown adults + only responsibility/job is football + professional trainers/medical staff + they’re getting paid plus pension for the veterans. Those are not options college students have. Especially the getting paid part.
If you get hurt in college, the University can pull your scholarship. Imagine kicking a football player out of school (which is what pulling a scholarship does) because he blew out an ACL in a meaningless spring exhibition game just so fans don't have to wait for fall.



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by oedipuss » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:45 pm

BozoneCat wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:55 pm
iaafan wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:20 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:16 am
Sac State is doing the right thing.

Unless they cancel the fall season again, how the heck are you going to have 6-8 games in the spring, then turn around and play a full fall season? You wanna talk about health risks?! That’s a bigger health risk than Covid for these young men.
I respect, but disagree with the health risk statement you made. NFL plays 16+ games with less players in one season (4-5 months). I don’t see why college can’t play 19-22 over -10 month period.

Respect your concern with health of college players.
Respectfully disagree. Yes, NFL players play 16+ games each season. But they are full-grown adults, with generally unlimited financial resources and access to anything money can buy when it comes to training, recovery, rehab, etc. It's their job, they don't have any other major concerns - they can pay people to take care of kids, mow the lawn, cook meals, etc. College kids have none of those things, are not yet fully developed physically (still blow ME away, but I digress), and have the very real stress of school that (even at joke colleges like EWU) still takes a lot of time away from football.

As a sports specialist, I think spring football is a terrible idea. The only way I can get behind it is if the coaches play the "season" using only kids they don't plan on getting time once the fall season starts, kind of an extended practice session that gets a lot of young guys valuable experience.
I have to believe that both Montana schools would use the Spring as a chance to workout all of the younger players to see what they have and get them all a bunch of playing time without using up any eligibility and without worrying too much about game results. There's also the fact that you might want to get an idea of what the "new" OC looks like in real games and get experience for the very young - and very talented - kicking specialists. It'd be nice to iron the wrinkles out before the Fall as this team seems to be trending into serious contention for the Chipper next Winter.



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by Cataholic » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:12 pm

onceacat wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:44 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:05 pm
iaafan wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:20 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:16 am
Sac State is doing the right thing.

Unless they cancel the fall season again, how the heck are you going to have 6-8 games in the spring, then turn around and play a full fall season? You wanna talk about health risks?! That’s a bigger health risk than Covid for these young men.
I respect, but disagree with the health risk statement you made. NFL plays 16+ games with less players in one season (4-5 months). I don’t see why college can’t play 19-22 over -10 month period.

Respect your concern with health of college players.
Full grown adults + only responsibility/job is football + professional trainers/medical staff + they’re getting paid plus pension for the veterans. Those are not options college students have. Especially the getting paid part.
If you get hurt in college, the University can pull your scholarship. Imagine kicking a football player out of school (which is what pulling a scholarship does) because he blew out an ACL in a meaningless spring exhibition game just so fans don't have to wait for fall.
Don’t the kids run the chance of a serious injury in spring drills during a normal season? And correct me if I am wrong, but the spring season is not meaningless. There will be multiple conferences playing all competing for an FCS championship.



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by bobcat99 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:24 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:12 pm
onceacat wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:44 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:05 pm
iaafan wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:20 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:16 am
Sac State is doing the right thing.

Unless they cancel the fall season again, how the heck are you going to have 6-8 games in the spring, then turn around and play a full fall season? You wanna talk about health risks?! That’s a bigger health risk than Covid for these young men.
I respect, but disagree with the health risk statement you made. NFL plays 16+ games with less players in one season (4-5 months). I don’t see why college can’t play 19-22 over -10 month period.

Respect your concern with health of college players.
Full grown adults + only responsibility/job is football + professional trainers/medical staff + they’re getting paid plus pension for the veterans. Those are not options college students have. Especially the getting paid part.
If you get hurt in college, the University can pull your scholarship. Imagine kicking a football player out of school (which is what pulling a scholarship does) because he blew out an ACL in a meaningless spring exhibition game just so fans don't have to wait for fall.
Don’t the kids run the chance of a serious injury in spring drills during a normal season? And correct me if I am wrong, but the spring season is not meaningless. There will be multiple conferences playing all competing for an FCS championship.
Behold the grandest apologist of them all!



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by Cataholic » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:27 pm

Most kids play three and sometimes four sports (including baseball) in high school. Some of those kids played also played both offense and defensive snaps. These kids already train year round and are in the best shape of their lives. I am sure players with injuries requiring surgery won’t be ready, but the guys with general knicks and bumps will be ready to go.



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by Cataholic » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:36 pm

bobcat99 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:24 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:12 pm
onceacat wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:44 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:05 pm
iaafan wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:20 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:16 am
Sac State is doing the right thing.

Unless they cancel the fall season again, how the heck are you going to have 6-8 games in the spring, then turn around and play a full fall season? You wanna talk about health risks?! That’s a bigger health risk than Covid for these young men.
I respect, but disagree with the health risk statement you made. NFL plays 16+ games with less players in one season (4-5 months). I don’t see why college can’t play 19-22 over -10 month period.

Respect your concern with health of college players.
Full grown adults + only responsibility/job is football + professional trainers/medical staff + they’re getting paid plus pension for the veterans. Those are not options college students have. Especially the getting paid part.
If you get hurt in college, the University can pull your scholarship. Imagine kicking a football player out of school (which is what pulling a scholarship does) because he blew out an ACL in a meaningless spring exhibition game just so fans don't have to wait for fall.
Don’t the kids run the chance of a serious injury in spring drills during a normal season? And correct me if I am wrong, but the spring season is not meaningless. There will be multiple conferences playing all competing for an FCS championship.
Behold the grandest apologist of them all!
That is some great feedback! I guess when you don’t have anything to contribute, you can always go to the snide comments.



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by BleedingBLue » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:41 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:27 pm
Most kids play three and sometimes four sports (including baseball) in high school. Some of those kids played also played both offense and defensive snaps. These kids already train year round and are in the best shape of their lives. I am sure players with injuries requiring surgery won’t be ready, but the guys with general knicks and bumps will be ready to go.
Isn't the game way more physical at this level though? I know it is for a guy like TA going from class A to D1.



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by Cataholic » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:56 pm

BleedingBLue wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:41 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:27 pm
Most kids play three and sometimes four sports (including baseball) in high school. Some of those kids played also played both offense and defensive snaps. These kids already train year round and are in the best shape of their lives. I am sure players with injuries requiring surgery won’t be ready, but the guys with general knicks and bumps will be ready to go.
Isn't the game way more physical at this level though? I know it is for a guy like TA going from class A to D1.
That is a good point. But how many guys played the number of snaps that Troy played? Played both offense and defense and touching the ball regularly. That is a pretty unusual circumstance.

Just giving it more thought regarding specific injuries, gre most common are probably pulled muscles, sprains and contusions which should heal in four to six weeks.



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by bobcat99 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:49 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:27 pm
Most kids play three and sometimes four sports (including baseball) in high school. Some of those kids played also played both offense and defensive snaps. These kids already train year round and are in the best shape of their lives. I am sure players with injuries requiring surgery won’t be ready, but the guys with general knicks and bumps will be ready to go.
Surely you can’t be serious?

Playing basketball in Montana, track (non-contact), and football in Montana, is not remotely similar to college football. That’s just a ridiculous statement.

Look. Spring ball in Montana is not ideal. The weather is generally crappy, the fields will be difficult to get back into game shape, it’s just asking for disaster. Yes, the condition of the field makes a major difference on potential for injuries. And for what? Why play spring ball if you’re going to have a fall season? What’s the point? What you’ll end up with is guys who got worn down in a spring season never making a full recovery for the fall season, leading to more injuries.



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by bobcat99 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:51 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:36 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:24 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:12 pm
onceacat wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:44 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:05 pm
iaafan wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:20 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:16 am
Sac State is doing the right thing.

Unless they cancel the fall season again, how the heck are you going to have 6-8 games in the spring, then turn around and play a full fall season? You wanna talk about health risks?! That’s a bigger health risk than Covid for these young men.
I respect, but disagree with the health risk statement you made. NFL plays 16+ games with less players in one season (4-5 months). I don’t see why college can’t play 19-22 over -10 month period.

Respect your concern with health of college players.
Full grown adults + only responsibility/job is football + professional trainers/medical staff + they’re getting paid plus pension for the veterans. Those are not options college students have. Especially the getting paid part.
If you get hurt in college, the University can pull your scholarship. Imagine kicking a football player out of school (which is what pulling a scholarship does) because he blew out an ACL in a meaningless spring exhibition game just so fans don't have to wait for fall.
Don’t the kids run the chance of a serious injury in spring drills during a normal season? And correct me if I am wrong, but the spring season is not meaningless. There will be multiple conferences playing all competing for an FCS championship.
Behold the grandest apologist of them all!
That is some great feedback! I guess when you don’t have anything to contribute, you can always go to the snide comments.
You’re welcome! Hope you’ll use it someday when you finally try to think for yourself!



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by iaafan » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:06 am

onceacat wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:44 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:05 pm
iaafan wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:20 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:16 am
Sac State is doing the right thing.

Unless they cancel the fall season again, how the heck are you going to have 6-8 games in the spring, then turn around and play a full fall season? You wanna talk about health risks?! That’s a bigger health risk than Covid for these young men.
I respect, but disagree with the health risk statement you made. NFL plays 16+ games with less players in one season (4-5 months). I don’t see why college can’t play 19-22 over -10 month period.

Respect your concern with health of college players.
Full grown adults + only responsibility/job is football + professional trainers/medical staff + they’re getting paid plus pension for the veterans. Those are not options college students have. Especially the getting paid part.
If you get hurt in college, the University can pull your scholarship. Imagine kicking a football player out of school (which is what pulling a scholarship does) because he blew out an ACL in a meaningless spring exhibition game just so fans don't have to wait for fall.
If you get hurt and have to retire, you get your school paid for.



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by iaafan » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:09 am

BleedingBLue wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:41 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:27 pm
Most kids play three and sometimes four sports (including baseball) in high school. Some of those kids played also played both offense and defensive snaps. These kids already train year round and are in the best shape of their lives. I am sure players with injuries requiring surgery won’t be ready, but the guys with general knicks and bumps will be ready to go.
Isn't the game way more physical at this level though? I know it is for a guy like TA going from class A to D1.
The is more physical going from HS to college and from college to pro. It’s more physical in the SEC than the BSC.



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Re: The dominoes start to fall for spring season

Post by iaafan » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:18 am

BozoneCat wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:55 pm
iaafan wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:20 pm
bobcat99 wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:16 am
Sac State is doing the right thing.

Unless they cancel the fall season again, how the heck are you going to have 6-8 games in the spring, then turn around and play a full fall season? You wanna talk about health risks?! That’s a bigger health risk than Covid for these young men.
I respect, but disagree with the health risk statement you made. NFL plays 16+ games with less players in one season (4-5 months). I don’t see why college can’t play 19-22 over -10 month period.

Respect your concern with health of college players.
Respectfully disagree. Yes, NFL players play 16+ games each season. But they are full-grown adults, with generally unlimited financial resources and access to anything money can buy when it comes to training, recovery, rehab, etc. It's their job, they don't have any other major concerns - they can pay people to take care of kids, mow the lawn, cook meals, etc. College kids have none of those things, are not yet fully developed physically (still blow ME away, but I digress), and have the very real stress of school that (even at joke colleges like EWU) still takes a lot of time away from football.

As a sports specialist, I think spring football is a terribleA idea. The only way I can get behind it is if the coaches play the "season" using only kids they don't plan on getting time once the fall season starts, kind of an extended practice session that gets a lot of young guys valuable experience.
Most FCS players will play 19 games between late February and mid November. Most NFL players play 16 in four months. You get five months to play three more games. I agree the pros have more resources, but I think the five extra months makes up for a great deal of that.

I think the college players would prefer to play in the spring than not play at all. I don’t think they’re worried about over doing it.

It’s very noble to think of their health in the way some of you are. I admire that. I just don’t think it’s necessary.



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